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Did state accuse wrong guy in Oath Keeper case? (Baby Cheyenne NH)
Youtube ^ | October 15, 2010 | RidleyReport

Posted on 10/15/2010 5:30:20 PM PDT by citizenredstater9271

Did state accuse wrong guy in Oath Keeper case? (Baby Cheyenne NH). Gag order prevents the witnesses of a court hearing from revealing what happened in there... but did the prompt return of Baby Cheyenne to her parents have something to do with mistaken identity on some issues?


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This is alarming. The gov, loves power and taking over our lives. Regardless whether Cheyenne's parents were fit the gov. has no right to take away our children.
1 posted on 10/15/2010 5:30:25 PM PDT by citizenredstater9271
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To: citizenredstater9271

Where the dickens is the press on this? Isn’t there a newspaper or TV station in New Hampshire willing to tell people what is going on? You would think this would be a big story, locally at least.


2 posted on 10/15/2010 5:34:02 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius.)
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Hang on. There are stories and threads on FR that seem to show the parents are indeed kooks. Don’t believe everything this noob ‘redstate’ dishes out.


3 posted on 10/15/2010 5:58:21 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: citizenredstater9271
Regardless whether Cheyenne's parents were fit the gov. has no right to take away our children.

You are a damn fool. And now you're admitting what has been alleged about the parents.

You may be on the wrong forum, noob.

4 posted on 10/15/2010 6:00:14 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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“Regardless whether Cheyenne's parents were fit the gov. has no right to take away our children.”

I am afraid I have to disagree with you. I've had to photograph child abuse as an Air Force photographer, and there are some things that very definately demand government intervention. Irish was accused of child abuse, membership in a militia called Oath Keepers, and possession of firearms.

Only the first is a reason (of those given) for possibly taking his child, and then only with serious substantiation. Oath Keepers isn't a militia and even if it was there is a right of association. Possession of firearms is a right under our Constitution, and IIRC, the NH constitution, as well. Those should NOT have been used as justification for taking the child, and the people who made the statements, and the ones who accepted them as just cause should be next in court.

There are several threads here on FR on the subject, btw. From some of what I've read in news articles posted on those threads, I expected the abuse allegation to be substantiated. Doesn't appear to have happened. There is also another Jonathan Irish out there. This kid's dad. They are not friendly to one another. Might make it more difficult to determine who is really at fault.

The dad has concerns about his son, and has also had assault charged against him for an attack on his son. IF, mind you, I've managed to keep all this crud straight. Best you check it out yourself. “Oath Keepers baby” will probably work if you want to use the search function.

5 posted on 10/15/2010 6:00:42 PM PDT by Old Student
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To: citizenredstater9271
“Regardless whether Cheyenne's parents were fit the gov. has no right to take away our children.”

I am afraid I have to disagree with you. I've had to photograph child abuse as an Air Force photographer, and there are some things that very definately demand government intervention. Irish was accused of child abuse, membership in a militia called Oath Keepers, and possession of firearms.

Only the first is a reason (of those given) for possibly taking his child, and then only with serious substantiation. Oath Keepers isn't a militia and even if it was there is a right of association. Possession of firearms is a right under our Constitution, and IIRC, the NH constitution, as well. Those should NOT have been used as justification for taking the child, and the people who made the statements, and the ones who accepted them as just cause should be next in court.

There are several threads here on FR on the subject, btw. From some of what I've read in news articles posted on those threads, I expected the abuse allegation to be substantiated. Doesn't appear to have happened. There is also another Jonathan Irish out there. This kid's dad. They are not friendly to one another. Might make it more difficult to determine who is really at fault.

The dad has concerns about his son, and has also had assault charged against him for an attack on his son. IF, mind you, I've managed to keep all this crud straight. Best you check it out yourself. “Oath Keepers baby” will probably work if you want to use the search function.

6 posted on 10/15/2010 6:00:48 PM PDT by Old Student
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LOL all the sources i post are pro-the parents. Ridley is a good source of non-liberal media.


7 posted on 10/15/2010 6:03:54 PM PDT by citizenredstater9271
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LOL all the sources i post are pro-the parents

I know. I read and participated. There are other articles, some from conservative sources that paint a different picture.

And I saw how you handled yourself on other threads. Stormfront might appeal to you.

8 posted on 10/15/2010 6:07:59 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: citizenredstater9271

BTW, citing and supporting Alex Jones will get you booted from FR in some cases. And you did just that.


9 posted on 10/15/2010 6:10:49 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: buccaneer81

He had his child taken away b/c of his association w/ oathkeepers. That’s all we need to know.


11 posted on 10/15/2010 6:17:15 PM PDT by citizenredstater9271
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To: buccaneer81

I never cited Alex Jones. I just said SOMETIMES he has good articles and good perspectives.


12 posted on 10/15/2010 6:18:46 PM PDT by citizenredstater9271
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To: buccaneer81

I’ve seen it. I’ve also seen some discussion on the change in fonts & spacing, and forms of punctuation. It may not be an accurate copy of what was actually submitted. Or it may. I’ve had Word do stuff like that to me in the middle of a document.


13 posted on 10/15/2010 6:20:21 PM PDT by Old Student
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To: citizenredstater9271

Did you read the rest of the document? No, of course you didn’t. Stephanie Taylor has two other kids who are under scrutiny by the authorities.


14 posted on 10/15/2010 6:23:20 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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BS, FRiend. We also need to know if they really did abuse the child, and if the Oath Keepers association and firearms possession were used as reasons for the taking. Simplistic doesn't make it. Find out ALL the facts. As best you can, anyway. THEN make your decisions as best you can. And be prepared to change when you find the facts don't match your preconceptions. That is what adults do, anyway. Children, maybe not so much.
15 posted on 10/15/2010 6:23:59 PM PDT by Old Student
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I just asked the mods to take that post dowm. It’s an Alex Jones link. Verboten.


16 posted on 10/15/2010 6:25:26 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: buccaneer81

There are other sources.

Some are in this thread: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2608172/posts

And I believe I posted a link to another thread in that one somewhere. Maybe this will help some of the overwrought emotionalism to cool off a bit.

OS


17 posted on 10/15/2010 6:32:55 PM PDT by Old Student
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To: buccaneer81

Or maybe it was this one... ;)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2605457/posts


18 posted on 10/15/2010 6:42:05 PM PDT by Old Student
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To: buccaneer81

I did a google search and found a blog which said that the parents are unmarried, and that the woman had two earlier children who had been taken away from her.

Whether that is true or not, I don’t know.


19 posted on 10/15/2010 6:44:21 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius.)
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To: citizenredstater9271; Old Student; Cicero

This is good enough for me:

From 2005

http://archive.seacoastonline.com/2005news/hampton/03252005/news/71931.htm

SEABROOK - A Seabrook teenager is scheduled for a probable cause hearing on April 4 after being charged with sexual assault on a 14-year-old girl.

Jonathan Irish, 18, of 620 Lafayette Road, is being held at Rockingham County Jail without bail pending a psychological evaluation. He was arraigned Tuesday in Hampton District Court and is scheduled for a probable cause hearing at the court on April 4 at 11 a.m.

Police arrested Irish on Monday after going to his house for alleged illegal drug activity, according to an affidavit filed with the court by Seabrook Prosecutor Scott Mendes.

Irish allegedly told Sgt. Dana Bedell and Officer Frank Brown that two juvenile females in the apartment were doing drugs. The officers interviewed the girls, smelling the odor of burned marijuana on them, according to Mendes. One of the juveniles, who was 14, told police she and Irish were boyfriend and girlfriend and had sexual intercourse at least 10 times since they started dating, according to the affidavit. Police took her into protective custody.

The other girl, who was 17, was released.

Irish said he knew how old the girl was, according to court records.

33 posted on 10/11/2010 2:53:06 PM by freedomwarrior998


20 posted on 10/15/2010 6:48:32 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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