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WMD Found in Iraq
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Posted on 10/24/2010 10:04:06 AM PDT by Ira_Louvin

WMD Found in Iraq According to the latest batch of Wikileak documents. In particular, coalition troops kept coming across numerous artillery shells filled with mustard gas.

Remember the terms of Section 8 of UN resolution 687 that ended the first Gulf War:

Iraq shall unconditionally accept the destruction, removal, or rendering harmless, under international supervision, of:

(a) All chemical and biological weapons and all stocks of agents and all related subsystems and components and all research, development, support and manufacturing facilities

Thus the instance of a single chemical weapon in Iraq violates the terms that ended the Gulf War, and thus the decision by George W. Bush to carry out the liberation of Iraq in 2003 was both legal and justifiable. (This is in addition to the other numerous instances of jus ad bellum cited by Bush in his speech on that reasons behind that decision.)

Liberals, look at yourself in the nearest mirror and repeat after me: “George W. Bush was right and I was wrong. George W. Bush was right and I was wrong.”


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1 posted on 10/24/2010 10:04:08 AM PDT by Ira_Louvin
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To: Ira_Louvin

of course they were there


2 posted on 10/24/2010 10:06:54 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys)
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To: Ira_Louvin
Not for nothing....my gut tells me they had them and my gut also tells me that he would have collaborated with Usama, i.e., Saddam would be the maker of the WMD and Usama had folks to deliver it. Kinda makes you think of Anthrax...

I'll go back to what that one jerky inspector said: "If they don't show us where they are, we'll never find them". No need for such a statement UNLESS he believed they had them. We know Saddam had dual use manufacturing plants and the inspector verified it many times.

3 posted on 10/24/2010 10:09:17 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (What)
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To: Ira_Louvin; Ernest_at_the_Beach

You know, there were actually news articles about some of these at the time—carefully downplayed and eventually scrubbed. Some of us still have them archived on our personal computers. Lots of us knew about this all along, but the Bush admin let the ‘Rats run with the lies that there were not WMD.


4 posted on 10/24/2010 10:09:48 AM PDT by MizSterious ("Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." -JFK)
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To: Ira_Louvin

President Bush did a poor job in getting information such as this out to the public. One of his glaring weaknesses was to take too many punches from the left and not strike back.


5 posted on 10/24/2010 10:10:33 AM PDT by Michael.SF. (Current count of friends/family who have abandoned Obama: 11)
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To: Ira_Louvin

Time will bring about a total vindication of Dubya on this one too.


6 posted on 10/24/2010 10:12:07 AM PDT by fabrizio (Restore the Republic!)
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To: Ira_Louvin

That sarin and mustard gas shells were found in Iraq is pretty well known. All you need to do is search Sarin Mustard Iraq to find old stories on this:

http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy&hl=en&q=Sarin+mustard+Iraq&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&pbx=1&fp=956ab502b015b9a1

You may find even more if you google Iraq and each type of gas alone. But you are banging your head against the wall, the left and particularly the left media do not letf facts get in the way of their narrative.


7 posted on 10/24/2010 10:14:02 AM PDT by JLS (Democrats: People who won't even let you enjoy an unseasonably warm winter day.)
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To: MizSterious

MizSterious- Accurate statement. I rem. too the mustard gas shells, found/slightly reported/ forgotten-buried.


8 posted on 10/24/2010 10:20:34 AM PDT by urtax$@work (The best kind of memorial is a Burning Memorial.........)
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To: Sacajaweau

Under Saddam, the early years, his military did not color code the WMD. Thus the Incident at Khamisayah....March,1991.


9 posted on 10/24/2010 10:21:07 AM PDT by donozark (43 years of therapy made me the man I am today....)
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To: Michael.SF.

Bush had to be a little gun shy, having already been so screwed by faulty intelligence.

Besides, these shells never constituted the stockpiles that we expected to find.

We know the reason now for the intelligence failure ...Saddam Hussein himself. He was behind the false stories to keep Iran in check. He just never counted on Bush kicking his ass.

He sure paid for that mistake.


10 posted on 10/24/2010 10:23:02 AM PDT by A.Hun (Common sense is no longer common.)
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To: Michael.SF.

I agree. I love George W., and I think he was a great President for the times that we were (and are) in. Remember, he was a clean and fresh contrast to Clinton and his scandals. He was soon made a wartime president, and he did an outstanding job of defending this country. But, he didn’t speak up to defend himself as much as he should have when he was personally attacked...especially toward the end of his presidency.

Of course there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, and, of course Saddam was thumbing his nose at the treaty. Bush did the right thing to go into Iraq, and the liberal media had a field day attacking him. They would have attacked any decision he made in order to gain power for themselves. He just needed to defend himself more. Perhaps he felt that he did what he had to do, and that time and history would vindicate his decisions.


11 posted on 10/24/2010 10:26:23 AM PDT by Swede Girl
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To: Ira_Louvin
The most dangerous WMDs Saddam's regime was certain to have had was VX nerve gas. In particular theirs was based on the precursor EMPTA. Of the countries that produced VX nerve gas Iraq was the only country known to have used that method.

The presence of EMPTA was deemed so serious it was enough for President Clinton to order an attack on the Sudanese Al-Shifa pharmaceutical factory in 1998. If this batch of Wikileak material reveals they found any EMPTA or VX it will be very interesting.

12 posted on 10/24/2010 10:29:46 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Ira_Louvin

Let’s not forget about the Yellow Cake that was found there too.

Joe Wilson and his beotch Valerie should be held to answer too.

http://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8#sclient=psy&hl=en&safe=off&rlz=1R2GPEA_en&site=webhp&q=yellow+cake+from+iraq&rlz=1R2GPEA_en&aq=f&aqi=g2g-o1&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&pbx=1&fp=1fcdface22984313


13 posted on 10/24/2010 10:30:12 AM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Moderates manipulate, extremists use violence, but the goal is the same.)
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To: Ira_Louvin
"Revelations that Saddam moved some of his WMDs and hardware out of the country were further confirmed by Demetrius Perricos, acting chairman of UN Monitoring, Verification and Inspection Commission (UNMOVIC), who disclosed that his inspectors had been tracking shipments of illicit Iraqi WMD components around the world.

The Associated Press announced that UNMOVIC inspectors have found dozens of engines from banned al-Samoud 2 (SA2) missiles, which were shipped out of Iraq as "scrap metal."

(TOP SECRET IRAQI FILES FOUND: SADDAM REALLY DID HAVE WMD)

(Syria Storing Iraq's WMDs)

(Jack Kelly: A Syrian sidestep?) About those Iraqi WMDs: More signs are pointing to a neighborly transfer Sunday, February 05, 2006

(What Charles Duelfer Missed) By: Christopher S. Carson FrontPageMagazine.com | Tuesday, June 21, 2005

(Bio-Chemical Weapons & Saddam: A History.) Various Sources | 02-20-03 | PsyOp

I do not have the source of the following, it was a letter from a GI to his father:

He said that there were caches all over the place, buildings filled to the ceiling with boxes of small-arms ammo, equipment, including new chemical-warfare suits, as well as old Gulf War I ammo strewn around the desert areas.

American ordnance experts have stated that there were at least 10,000 such sites that they found (so far), spread across a country the size of California, and no one knows how much material, possibly including weapons of mass destruction (chemical, biological, nuclear) might still lie beneath the sands there. Some planes were found buried under the sand while one photo my son brought back showed a MIG-25 parked in a cornfield; another in the driveway of someone's house.

The total estimated weight of the Iraqi arms caches so far has been calculated to be two and a half times that of the total arms in the whole United States, some 1 million tons or more.

Now that a major from the 3rd has come forward and explained that his small unit had hauled away about 210 tons (quite possibly including some of the claimed 270 tons) for destruction at a designed ordnance handling site, Sen. Kerry began to slink away like a coward in the night, never apologizing to the brave American soldiers of the 3rd and the 101st/82nd Airborne who had fought and then guarded those sites during their stays there.

The American press did what our enemies could not, they destroyed our Military Veracity with out and out lies....the Soros Propaganda Machine and the Anti-American politicians are still doing their best to destroy America now under a vile Socialist/Marxist president and a vicious congress.

VOTE THESE BUMS OUT IN NOVEMBER!

14 posted on 10/24/2010 10:37:07 AM PDT by yoe ("N" is for NO for Progressives in government.)
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To: A.Hun

People rarely make giant mistakes for only one reason. You pointed out Saddam’s mistake. The WMD’s he did have were either buried or sent to Syria. The whole world knows it. but the left ignores it and Bush allowed that. That was one of the causes of his failure.


15 posted on 10/24/2010 10:40:10 AM PDT by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: Ira_Louvin
(WikiLeaks Revelation: WMDs in Iraq?)
16 posted on 10/24/2010 10:41:46 AM PDT by yoe ("N" is for NO for Progressives in government.)
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To: Michael.SF.; fabrizio; All
I had a theory a long time ago about this:

RandallFlagg: WMDs = Cheese
17 posted on 10/24/2010 10:45:06 AM PDT by RandallFlagg (Let this chant follow BHO everywhere he goes: "You lie. You lie. You lie.")
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To: Republic of Texas
The whole world knows it. but the left ignores it and Bush allowed that.

I'm hoping GWB addresses it in his book. I've always believed that the Russians were up to their necks in getting the WMD out of Iraq to hide their complicity with Saddam. That might have affected what info Bush could have made available.

Bush had the annoying habit of doing what was the best for the nation rather than what was best for himself politically.

18 posted on 10/24/2010 10:45:49 AM PDT by A.Hun (Common sense is no longer common.)
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To: yldstrk

All the serious chemical weapons shipped out to Syria before the war started.


19 posted on 10/24/2010 10:46:26 AM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: Ira_Louvin

Everyone knows he had mustard gas artillery shells, that was not the WMD they were looking for and Bush would not have invaded Iraq over those.

Now if they had found advanced biological weapons or tactical nukes that would be another issue entirely.


20 posted on 10/24/2010 10:46:51 AM PDT by valkyry1
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To: MizSterious
but the Bush admin let the ‘Rats run with the lies that there were not WMD.

Exactly. The big question here is WHY? Everyone knew there ere WMD but it was downplayed and Bush became the big bad boogieman. As a result, we now have Soros' puppet in the WH and the RATS are running wild.

During the middle of Bush's term, he acted like he'd had an evasion of the body snatchers. WHY?

The GOP handed the election to the RATS on a silver platter. WHY?

21 posted on 10/24/2010 10:54:21 AM PDT by bgill (K Parliament- how could a young man born in Kenya who is not even a native American become the POTUS)
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To: urtax$@work
I rem. too the mustard gas shells, found/slightly reported/ forgotten-buried.

Like this story: Deadly chemicals are found dumped in river, reported by NBC's Dr. Bob Arnot, and then scrubbed down the memory hole.

-PJ

22 posted on 10/24/2010 10:54:37 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too ("Comprehensive" reform bills only end up as incomprehensible messes.)
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To: JLS

There were pictures of various WMDs on the web at the time.

There was also that interview with Powell and the video of that caravan of trucks hauling something to Syria.


23 posted on 10/24/2010 10:57:28 AM PDT by bgill (K Parliament- how could a young man born in Kenya who is not even a native American become the POTUS)
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To: Ira_Louvin

WMD bookmark.


24 posted on 10/24/2010 11:00:09 AM PDT by EverOnward
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To: JLS
There was also the pics of rows upon rows of carefully placed canisters found out at a farm.

And a scud missile left on the streets of Baghdad.

And all the stuff buried in scientists and government officals' backyards.

And what about all the masks, suits, medicines, etc. found in the bunkers. Of course there were WMD.

25 posted on 10/24/2010 11:03:49 AM PDT by bgill (K Parliament- how could a young man born in Kenya who is not even a native American become the POTUS)
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To: Ira_Louvin

Told ya so!! OIF vet


26 posted on 10/24/2010 11:06:03 AM PDT by jesseam (Been there, done that)
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To: A.Hun

“We know the reason now for the intelligence failure ...Saddam Hussein himself.”

Or those trucks leaving for Syria had them?


27 posted on 10/24/2010 11:08:16 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Remember March 23, 1775. Remember March 23, 2010)
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To: bgill

bgill—boy, how I wish I knew the answer to that. I’ve asked that question over and over, and never received a satisfactory answer. Usually it’s something like “national security” but honestly, that one makes no sense.


28 posted on 10/24/2010 11:11:18 AM PDT by MizSterious ("Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." -JFK)
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To: Political Junkie Too; bgill

And don’t forget the entire underground nuclear city in the middle of the desert. Years later, an article appears that they shipped a ton (or more than one?) of nuclear material secretly to the US.

But of course, no WMD in Iraq.


29 posted on 10/24/2010 11:13:58 AM PDT by MizSterious ("Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." -JFK)
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To: A.Hun

“Bush had the annoying habit of doing what was the best for the nation rather than what was best for himself politically.”

That’s what I think. He had to know what was going on. I believe it was better to get the weapons out of Iraq and stashed somewhere where they could be monitored or destroyed then to say they were there and Al Queada use that for propoganda. (I think they got destroyed in Russia with their WMD)

Imagine if Al Queada said that they got hold of one of Saddam’s WMD?


30 posted on 10/24/2010 11:15:04 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Remember March 23, 1775. Remember March 23, 2010)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

The entire situation was volatile, and Bush/Rumsfeld/Powell had to learn as they went along. What if there was a behind the scene deal to use Russia to move the WMD for whatever reason? It couldn’t be publicly revealed.

Sometimes you just have to trust the judgement of your leader. That’s why elections are so important.


31 posted on 10/24/2010 11:22:25 AM PDT by A.Hun (Common sense is no longer common.)
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To: MizSterious; bgill

” Usually it’s something like “national security” but honestly, that one makes no sense. “

Here’s a speculation —

The revelation of the full WMD story would have revealed facts that would have constituted ‘casus belli’ against Russia (remember the reports - since swept under the rug and lost - in the runup to OIF that a batallion of Russian Special Forces were escorting convoys to Syria??) and China...

There is a possiblilty that the Bush Administration was subjected to nuclear and economic blackmail from our erstwhile ‘allies’, if the subject of WMD wasn’t dropped....

/speculation


32 posted on 10/24/2010 11:23:49 AM PDT by Uncle Ike (Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
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To: Ira_Louvin
I paid close attention during the time preceding President Bush's decision to send in the troops.

The entire media was in an uproar about the secret weapons Saddam was hiding outside Bagdad. But somehow they forget the alarm THEY sounded.

33 posted on 10/24/2010 11:32:03 AM PDT by Slyfox
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To: A.Hun

I question whether this was “best for the nation” in the first place. He opened himself up for vilification, and made it easy for a poser like Obama to come along and do untold damage to the country. The truth might have been a better policy in this case.


34 posted on 10/24/2010 11:38:58 AM PDT by MizSterious ("Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." -JFK)
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To: MizSterious; SandRat; NormsRevenge; Marine_Uncle; Fred Nerks; blam; SunkenCiv
Thanks for the ping.
35 posted on 10/24/2010 11:44:09 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Cindy; Grampa Dave; SierraWasp; Carry_Okie; GeronL; tubebender

fyi


36 posted on 10/24/2010 11:50:05 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
That Saddam had gas shells is an old story. Until we chase down what went into Syria we won't know what he had.
37 posted on 10/24/2010 12:02:40 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by central planning.)
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To: MizSterious

Elections go in cycles. I actually think GWB did the right thing in keeping this under wraps. And, there are times when you just allow the truth to set you free without having to always defend yourself. This is the road our President took.

The media was out to get Bush for everything, and this is just another incident where they will be shown to have a liberal bias. Thus, hurting their credibility even more.

It’ll all come out in the wash, as they say.

Bush was the President we needed at the time, and thank God Al Gore wasn’t in office.

Whether he defended himself or not, the media would’ve had their talking points just the same. I can’t believe that people still believe what they hear in the lamestream media. They’re no better than our liar-in-chief, in fact, they’re one in the same.

However, there is a higher power they will answer to one of these days. And, that includes zero.


38 posted on 10/24/2010 12:10:06 PM PDT by Catsrus (Have)
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To: MizSterious

Maybe. Unfortunately, no one gets an accurate crystal ball issued with the job.


39 posted on 10/24/2010 1:13:28 PM PDT by A.Hun (Common sense is no longer common.)
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To: bgill

You should see the look on leftist faces when I tell them that everyone knows there were WMD found in Iraq.


40 posted on 10/24/2010 1:15:49 PM PDT by JLS (Democrats: People who won't even let you enjoy an unseasonably warm winter day.)
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To: Catsrus
Bush was the President we needed at the time, and thank God Al Gore wasn’t in office.

Amen.

However, there is a higher power they will answer to one of these days. And, that includes zero.

Hear, hear!

41 posted on 10/24/2010 1:16:31 PM PDT by A.Hun (Common sense is no longer common.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
I'm feeling lazy today.
If I may re-iterate my position from back in 2007 To:
elhombrelibre

I tried to reply but FR went down for a bit the other day. Any fair minded individual presented with the vast amount of info available would have to conclude Iraq under the Saddam regime was determined to continue many of the known wmd programs. It is sort of like beating upon a dead horse in respect of trying to somehow re-prove Saddam's intentions. The horse is dead. Saddam and his regime are simply guilty as charged. As to why this administration has been so willy nilly in protecting it's stance, regardless of how badly certain elements within the intel and state institutions, during this twenty year time frame have (past/present tense), been able to throw curve balls, I guess the jury is still out. Perhaps in the end, GWB was advised not to get into to many cat fights with the left and the L/MSM. He has/had stated his reasons (many, including UN resolutions), to justify what he decided to do with the Butcher and his regime. If the political climate had not been so twisted and cagey over the past eight years, none of this would even be an issue. So much of this stuff has been made public over a period of time for anyone with any ambition (private level, or official) to understand Saddam was a very dangerous man in many respects and did represent a distinct threat to the region's stability as well as to a high potential to aid terrorist groups in carrying out diabolical mass killings against many western states.

228 posted on Thursday, December 27, 2007 7:35:21 PM by Marine_Uncle (Duncan Hunter for POTUS)
42 posted on 10/24/2010 2:51:57 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned....)
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To: Catsrus

I disagree so strongly! Had Bush told the truth in this instance, we might not have had an Obama presidency. Bush made similar really bad decisions on border enforcement and other things. I liked the man, but he wasn’t the leader I hoped he’d be. After standing by the NYC fireman in the rubble of 9/11, it was all downhill.


43 posted on 10/24/2010 3:01:57 PM PDT by MizSterious ("Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." -JFK)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; AdmSmith; Arthur Wildfire! March; Berosus; bigheadfred; ColdOne; ...
Thanks Ernest_at_the_Beach.
According to the latest batch of Wikileak documents. In particular, coalition troops kept coming across numerous artillery shells filled with mustard gas.

44 posted on 10/24/2010 3:31:24 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: Uncle Ike
There is a possiblilty that the Bush Administration was subjected to nuclear and economic blackmail from our erstwhile ‘allies’, if the subject of WMD wasn’t dropped....

Well, that might explain Bush's body snatcher problem. He went from all powerful after 9/11 to an empty sack midway through. Something truly big happened to change not only him but far too many of our congressmen and supremes.

45 posted on 10/24/2010 5:29:21 PM PDT by bgill (K Parliament- how could a young man born in Kenya who is not even a native American become the POTUS)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

We are probably not young enough to be around when the real story of the Saddam’s WMDs comes out.

Then it will be buried by the liberal mediots.


46 posted on 10/25/2010 6:39:50 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION IS DESTROYING AMERICA-LOOK AT WHAT IT DID TO THE WHITE HOUSE!)
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