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Beethoven
2010/11/05 | WesternCulture

Posted on 11/04/2010 7:19:12 PM PDT by WesternCulture

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1 posted on 11/04/2010 7:19:13 PM PDT by WesternCulture
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To: WesternCulture

I enjoyed Gary Oldman’s portrayal of Beethoven in “Immortal Beloved”


2 posted on 11/04/2010 7:22:38 PM PDT by COBOL2Java (Obama is the least qualified guy in whatever room he walks into.)
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To: WesternCulture

If you could find the time to listen to the most heavenly piece of music ever composed:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-mvutiDRvQ


3 posted on 11/04/2010 7:22:51 PM PDT by WesternCulture
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No doubt, Beethoven was a musical genius.


4 posted on 11/04/2010 7:32:16 PM PDT by pyx (Rule#1.The LEFT lies.Rule#2.See Rule#1. IF THE LEFT CONTROLS THE LANGUAGE, IT CONTROLS THE ARGUMENT.)
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To: WesternCulture

As far as I’ve always been concerned, the tenor solo is the pinnacle of all music.


5 posted on 11/04/2010 7:34:01 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (Hail To The Fail-In-Chief)
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To: COBOL2Java

I enjoyed Gary Oldman’s portrayal of Beethoven in “Immortal Beloved”

- What was the point of “Immortal Beloved” according to you?

(You don’t have to answer if you don’t wish to)


6 posted on 11/04/2010 7:35:13 PM PDT by WesternCulture
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To: Salamander; TheOldLady
Droogie ping for some Ludwig Van's 9th.


7 posted on 11/04/2010 7:36:12 PM PDT by 50mm (I don't use drugs, my dreams are frightening enough.)
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To: COBOL2Java

Come on and Rock me, Amadeus


8 posted on 11/04/2010 7:37:10 PM PDT by Perdogg (What Would Aqua Buddha do?)
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To: WesternCulture

I’m a fan.


9 posted on 11/04/2010 7:38:34 PM PDT by beethovenfan (If Islam is the solution, the "problem" must be freedom.)
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To: pyx

“No doubt, Beethoven was a musical genius.”

- This guy took a piece of great lyrics, put music to it and made the most admired symphony of all ages, while being DEAF - and you call him a “musical” genius.

I understand you don’t wish to offend, but please realize that Beethoven, Einstein and Leonardo da Vinci are like gods to us Europeans.

Leonardo wasn’t any other painter around, Einstein didn’t just fool around in Physics and Beethoven created so much more than music.

Beethoven understood what Shiller was on about and gave it all another dimension.

Greetings from Gothenburg, Sweden


10 posted on 11/04/2010 7:48:12 PM PDT by WesternCulture
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To: WesternCulture

Those Nazi bastards deserved every single bomb that got in Hamburg, Cologne, Berlin and DRESDEN. After visiting Auschwitz-Birkenau last week, I have no pity for Dresden or any of the fire-bombed reich cities. Too bad they allowed their country to be ruled by a psychopath.


11 posted on 11/04/2010 7:49:44 PM PDT by Gapplega
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To: beethovenfan

“I’m a fan.”

- I wish to call you “brother”:)


12 posted on 11/04/2010 7:50:11 PM PDT by WesternCulture
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To: Gapplega

“Those Nazi bastards deserved every single bomb that got in Hamburg, Cologne, Berlin and DRESDEN. After visiting Auschwitz-Birkenau last week, I have no pity for Dresden or any of the fire-bombed reich cities. Too bad they allowed their country to be ruled by a psychopath.”

- We should not forgive Hitler.

Wars are a part of human nature.


13 posted on 11/04/2010 7:52:04 PM PDT by WesternCulture
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To: Gapplega
"70 years ago, Britain and America together murdered the industrial capacity of Continental Europe."

That was as far as I got.

I wonder if he's ever heard of Guernica?

14 posted on 11/04/2010 7:55:48 PM PDT by Flag_This (Real presidents don't bow.)
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To: WesternCulture

“70 years ago, Britain and America together murdered the industrial capacity of Continental Europe.”

70 years ago the USA was at peace and Britain was fighting alone for its life against NAZI Germany. And “neutral” Sweden was doing its part helping supply the NAZI war machine. Please spare me your disgusting sympathy for all the NAZIs we managed to kill while saving Europe from its own home-grown monsters.

By the way, has Sweden freed the boy it kidnapped yet? Or is Dominic Johansson still held hostage by the totalitarian Swedish nanny state?


15 posted on 11/04/2010 7:56:30 PM PDT by devere
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To: WesternCulture

The problem is, you also gave us Kant and Nietzsche and Gropius.


16 posted on 11/04/2010 7:56:31 PM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics)
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To: COBOL2Java
I actually enjoyed astronaut John Glenn "Ed Harris" as old Ludwig in "Copying Beethoven" - especially the attention to the fugue from Op. 133.

Beethoven fugues are great. The Hammerklavier's still eludes me, but I've got Op. 109 and 110 fairly performance ready now. Learning these has been a long journey and my first teacher insisted that I start learning them in order from Op. 2 but I skipped around later, and a few don't move me at all (Op. 22).

17 posted on 11/04/2010 7:59:52 PM PDT by InternetTuffGuy
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To: WesternCulture

I’m sorry, but James Horner is a far superior composer. Listen to, “An Odd Discovery, Through the Trees.”


18 posted on 11/04/2010 8:01:06 PM PDT by pabianice
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To: WesternCulture

We Europeans are annoying when we accuse others of being uneducated fools, yes,...

Yes.


19 posted on 11/04/2010 8:02:02 PM PDT by Amadeo
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To: WesternCulture

We Europeans are annoying when we accuse others of being uneducated fools, yes,...

Yes.


20 posted on 11/04/2010 8:02:06 PM PDT by Amadeo
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To: WesternCulture

Freepers who are musicians like myself can point to the musical genius of Beethoven as proof of God. No entity could randomly provide the talent that provides such complexity and beauty. Listening especially the 3rd movement of his 5th almost transposes me into a different realm of thought.


21 posted on 11/04/2010 8:02:11 PM PDT by catfish1957 (Hey algore...You'll have to pry the steering wheel of my 317 HP V8 truck from my cold dead hands)
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To: 50mm

Too few people of today listen to Beethoven’s 9th symphony.

I like Sarkozy.

He probably has done so.

But all too few people of any influence in this world rely in this comforting tune of wisdom, moderation and religion.


22 posted on 11/04/2010 8:04:02 PM PDT by WesternCulture
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To: catfish1957

Brain fart...sorry, I meant 4th movement.


23 posted on 11/04/2010 8:05:07 PM PDT by catfish1957 (Hey algore...You'll have to pry the steering wheel of my 317 HP V8 truck from my cold dead hands)
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To: Gapplega

I don’t think it was just “Nazi Bastards” that died in the firestorm of Dresden. Thousands upon thousands of German refugees fleeing the Russian onslaught (particularly the women who were getting raped and butchered by the Soviets) had fled to Dresden as it was not a military target. Unfortunately, the allies decided to bomb these civilian targets into oblivion. Does the wonton killing of one civilian population make things right somehow?


24 posted on 11/04/2010 8:08:12 PM PDT by northwinds
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To: WesternCulture
This guy took a piece of great lyrics, put music to it and made the most admired symphony of all ages, while being DEAF - and you call him a “musical” genius.

Absolutely. Another example of Bach's musical genius is with the Prelude in C Major by JS Bach from the Well-Tempered Clavier.

This piece of music cycles through chords that are Major, Minor, Dominant 7th, Minor 7th, Slash chords, Dominant 7th b9th, Diminished and even Suspended 4ths. BWV 846-893 and dated 1722, THAT too is pure musical genius.


25 posted on 11/04/2010 8:09:59 PM PDT by pyx (Rule#1.The LEFT lies.Rule#2.See Rule#1. IF THE LEFT CONTROLS THE LANGUAGE, IT CONTROLS THE ARGUMENT.)
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To: WesternCulture
I prefer Sergei Rachmaninov to Beethoven. Rach's "Piano Concerto No. 2 in C Minor" will forever be etched in my mind.


26 posted on 11/04/2010 8:12:11 PM PDT by 50mm (I don't use drugs, my dreams are frightening enough.)
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To: WesternCulture

Youtube used to have an outstanding version of Beethoven’s 9th conducted by Herbert Von Karajan. There were two parts to it, each over 30 minutes. It was pulled and I can’t find it anymore. I’d love to find it on DVD.


27 posted on 11/04/2010 8:13:57 PM PDT by BBell
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To: catfish1957

“Freepers who are musicians like myself can point to the musical genius of Beethoven as proof of God. No entity could randomly provide the talent that provides such complexity and beauty. Listening especially the 3rd movement of his 5th almost transposes me into a different realm of thought.”

- I sincerely appreciated your comment and we could all learn a from it.

Music is a magic world unexplored.

Best of regards from Gothenburg, a Lutheran stronghold where people know how to read although boasting very dirty nails.

WesternCulture


28 posted on 11/04/2010 8:14:00 PM PDT by WesternCulture
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To: 50mm

You sure have some taste.


29 posted on 11/04/2010 8:15:10 PM PDT by WesternCulture
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To: WesternCulture

30 posted on 11/04/2010 8:15:42 PM PDT by BBell
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To: WesternCulture
Too few people of today listen to Beethoven’s 9th symphony.

The 9th is second only to the 5th in popularity, I suspect.

I prefer his Late Sting Quartets. ...especially the Große Fuge.

Nothing like listening to a bit of the ole Ludwig Van.

31 posted on 11/04/2010 8:17:36 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: WesternCulture
And I'm nuts.


32 posted on 11/04/2010 8:19:33 PM PDT by 50mm (I don't use drugs, my dreams are frightening enough.)
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To: Mr. Mojo
String Quartets, that is.

I don't think Sting has written any quartets, but I could be wrong.

33 posted on 11/04/2010 8:23:23 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: WesternCulture

Thank you. I do so enjoy your posts and your observations.


34 posted on 11/04/2010 8:24:11 PM PDT by ottbmare (off-the-track Thoroughbred mare)
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To: BBell

HVK’s 1966 Berlin Symph. performance of the 5th has just been reinstated on You Tube after an absence. I feel it is the greatest documented live musical performance in history.


35 posted on 11/04/2010 8:31:02 PM PDT by catfish1957 (Hey algore...You'll have to pry the steering wheel of my 317 HP V8 truck from my cold dead hands)
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To: WesternCulture

When they opened Beethoven’s tomb they found him sitting there erasing notes from a pile of sheet music.

He was decomposing.


36 posted on 11/04/2010 8:32:54 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: 50mm

Oooh... Viddy the glorious Ninth!

So what’s it going to be then, eh? Me and me droogs were down at the Korova milk bar...


37 posted on 11/04/2010 8:33:17 PM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: WesternCulture

Beethoven is the greatest composer ever. Period.


38 posted on 11/04/2010 8:33:29 PM PDT by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: WesternCulture

Now, now, don’t be offended. Beethoven was a musical genius—that is to say, he was a genius who expressed his understanding of reality through music, and enlarged us all in the process; there is no insult in the expression. Einstein expressed his genius and his understanding of reality through the mathematical formulae that expressed the general theory—it is the same principle. In both cases their work represents the study of a lifetime for most of us.


39 posted on 11/04/2010 8:36:05 PM PDT by ottbmare (off-the-track Thoroughbred mare)
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To: WesternCulture
What was the point of “Immortal Beloved”?

The search for the "immortal beloved" was just a plot device upon which to hang the basic story of Beethoven and to introduce the masses to his towering talent and the story of his struggles. Just like the fictional Salieri/Mozart rivalry in Amadeus intoduced the masses to Mozart.

40 posted on 11/04/2010 8:36:47 PM PDT by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: WesternCulture

Let’s rebuild the World.

In 1785, Schiller nurtured a vision of brave men giving up their silly complaints of worldly matters and becoming men of substance.

True individuals seeking to change the world around them instead of constantly crying over everything discomforting them are to be honored.

I don’t exactly cry tears over Prince’s (the Symbol’s) failed agreements with record companies.


41 posted on 11/04/2010 8:37:19 PM PDT by WesternCulture
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To: Ramius

I’m fagged and going to spatchka. Dobby Nochy!


42 posted on 11/04/2010 8:38:42 PM PDT by 50mm (I don't use drugs, my dreams are frightening enough.)
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To: Sans-Culotte

“Beethoven is the greatest composer ever. Period.”

Yes, but please don’t forget Schiller was some kind of poet.

Beethoven would have bowed down to Schiller.


43 posted on 11/04/2010 8:40:32 PM PDT by WesternCulture
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To: BBell

A fantastic label, orchestra, and conductor - however controversial.


44 posted on 11/04/2010 8:42:11 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been redistributed. Here's your Change.)
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To: WesternCulture; a fool in paradise

Burt Bacharach is the greatest composer. Period. Chuck Berry is a musical genius. Pedestrianism and conventional wisdom are the enemies of thought!


45 posted on 11/04/2010 8:43:28 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: 50mm

Droogie bump. Let freedom ring.


46 posted on 11/04/2010 8:46:32 PM PDT by Domestic Church (AMDG...unbrainwashed free will to listen to Ludwig!)
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To: Revolting cat!; WesternCulture
Burt Bacharach is the greatest composer.

Balderdash! Everybody knows that Barry Manilow is the greatest composer! Ray Stevens is a musical genius.

47 posted on 11/04/2010 8:47:57 PM PDT by 50mm (I don't use drugs, my dreams are frightening enough.)
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To: 50mm

OK, OK, what about the lyricist? Don’t give me no Schiller, I vote for Barry Mann: “Who put the Bomp...”, etc...


48 posted on 11/04/2010 8:49:59 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: catfish1957
Freepers who are musicians like myself can point to the musical genius of Beethoven as proof of God. No entity could randomly provide the talent that provides such complexity and beauty. Listening especially the 3rd movement of his 5th almost transposes me into a different realm of thought.

Yes. I wish FR had a "like" button as Facebook does so I could click "like" on this wise post of yours.

49 posted on 11/04/2010 8:51:45 PM PDT by ottbmare (off-the-track Thoroughbred mare)
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To: Revolting cat!

Best composer: Duke Ellington


50 posted on 11/04/2010 8:54:25 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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