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Beethoven
2010/11/05 | WesternCulture

Posted on 11/04/2010 7:19:12 PM PDT by WesternCulture

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To: Revolting cat!

“Burt Bacharach is the greatest composer. Period. Chuck Berry is a musical genius. Pedestrianism and conventional wisdom are the enemies of thought!”

Let’s talk “genious”.

Jimmy Hendrix vs Chuck Berry:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPtHv48e1No

- What Hendrix did to rock’n’roll - a revolution in itself - words can’t describe.


51 posted on 11/04/2010 8:56:09 PM PDT by WesternCulture
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To: ottbmare
Thanks so much. If interested, this may be the best 9 minutes that you spend tonight.

Karajan- 5th, 4th mvt.

52 posted on 11/04/2010 8:59:49 PM PDT by catfish1957 (Hey algore...You'll have to pry the steering wheel of my 317 HP V8 truck from my cold dead hands)
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To: WesternCulture

Are you at work at this hour in Sweden?

As far as Hendrix, read some of the reviews of his discs on Amazon, written by a younger generation of listeners. They are not as impressed, and manage to articulate their criticisms convincingly. Listen to Bill Frisell.


53 posted on 11/04/2010 9:01:15 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: catfish1957
Hopefully youtube will reinstate HVK’s 9th symphony performance. I don't know where or when it was performed but judging by the attire and glasses it was late 60’s or 70’s in Europe. Two parts, 30 plus minute each. The cinematography was outstanding, even with youtube’s grainiest. I'd like to find it on DVD. I had it bookmarked but it disappeared last year I think.
54 posted on 11/04/2010 9:10:06 PM PDT by BBell
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To: catfish1957

I invested the nine minutes (frantically conducting in front of the laptop, lol). Not exactly the first time I’ve ever heard that particular recording: my late father, a middle-European whose cultural center was Wien, often played it on LP disks.

Of course, my personal favorite for this was Sir Georg Solti and the CSO.


55 posted on 11/04/2010 9:17:40 PM PDT by ottbmare (off-the-track Thoroughbred mare)
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To: WesternCulture
What was the point of “Immortal Beloved” according to you?

Two things: 1) Beethoven was the first musician to break out of the "musicians are servants" attitude that the aristocracy held (in the 18th century, Haydn was treated as such: he ate and slept in the servant's quarters; Beethoven ate and slept with some of Europe's most eligible female nobility). 2) He suffered terribly from his deafness, yet his genius channeled the pain into some of the most beautiful and transcendent compositions mankind has known.

Everything else in the movie was just a vessel for these two messages.

56 posted on 11/05/2010 4:02:48 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (Obama is the least qualified guy in whatever room he walks into.)
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To: northwinds

Indeed it does. The purpose of war is to kill people and break things until the enemy sues for peace. Killing civilians is a good way to make the populace desire that very peace and turn against their warmongering overlords.

This is a fact of war. Stop whining.


57 posted on 11/05/2010 4:18:13 AM PDT by TheOldLady (The only way to run our country is conservatively.)
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To: TheOldLady

Then I suppose you support the fact that the Nazis killed lots of Jewish civilians who the Nazis considered their sworn enemies.....I guess it was a “good way to make the populace desire peace”....after all the purpose of war is to kill people, including civilians, according to you...whether they are at Auswitch or Dresden.


58 posted on 11/05/2010 12:34:07 PM PDT by northwinds
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To: Amadeo

Yeah, we Americans are idiots. I must have missed the Swedish man on the moon. Or the Swedish iPod. Or the Swedish Personal Computer.

The swedes make nice blondes.

Stick to what you know.

Or we will drop a smart bomb on you.


59 posted on 11/05/2010 12:43:04 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (We are so screwed.)
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To: COBOL2Java

I preferred John Belushi's portrayal.

60 posted on 11/05/2010 12:45:37 PM PDT by dfwgator (Texas Rangers -Thanks for a great season.)
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To: northwinds

The blood of Dresden is solely on the hands of Schickelgruber and Company.


61 posted on 11/05/2010 12:48:36 PM PDT by dfwgator (Texas Rangers -Thanks for a great season.)
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To: northwinds

That is hardly equivalent. Torturing, starving, experimenting on, and killing captives is not the same as waging war. Since the victims were imprisoned, perforce they could not fulfill the purpose of pleading with their leaders to make peace. We didn’t even find out about the extent of the evil done to the Jews until after the war.

The perpetrators were rightly prosecuted for war crimes for these horrible deeds.

Here’s a little food for thought: Our current “rules of engagement,” where we’re allowed neither to kill civilians nor fire first, enables the enemy to hide in mosques, orphanages, and civilian neighborhoods, using their own innocents as human shields. That costs American lives, and it is a particularly stupid way to wage war. Bleeding-heart policies are killing our troops when we should have cleaned up the area and established peace a long time ago by properly waging war there.


62 posted on 11/05/2010 12:53:26 PM PDT by TheOldLady (The only way to run our country is conservatively.)
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To: TheOldLady

The winners make the rules and write the history....had the Germans prevailed then Roosevelt, Stalin and Churchill would have all been prosecuted for war crimes. Same goes for Lincoln if the South had won.


63 posted on 11/05/2010 1:00:10 PM PDT by northwinds
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To: northwinds

What is your point? Your answer is another non sequitur. I’m not going to argue with you about propaganda. The truth is that there were torture camps for the prisoners taken by Axis, and there were no torture camps for the prisoners taken by the Allies. Torture camps are war crimes. Bombing an enemy city is not.

The Nazi camps were a straw argument you threw up against my saying that war is war, and I should not have made a riposte to your subject change, nor will I continue to search for a cogent argument in this conversation.


64 posted on 11/05/2010 2:00:47 PM PDT by TheOldLady (The only way to run our country is conservatively.)
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To: TheOldLady

Based upon your logic then the attack on the World Trade Center by Al Qaeda was a legitimate act of war.....and, by the way, lots of German soldiers died from starvation and disease in Soviet and American run camps. Bringing up the Nazi death camps simply highlights how wrong your argument is....the planned killing of civilian targets during war is just wrong....collateral damage is another thing all together. The attack on Dresden was not collateral damage.


65 posted on 11/05/2010 2:37:19 PM PDT by northwinds
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To: northwinds

When a country starts a world war (the 2nd one they started in 25 years) and one loses, yet again, well, expect to reap the whirlwind. Especially when they called everyone in the occupied territories of the east (Untermenschen) subhumans! I have no sympathy for the incinerated in Dresden. Only those at Auschwitz, and Treblinka, and Sobibor, and Belzec, and Majdanek and Kulmhof am Ner and on and on and on. There is no moral equivalence between bombing Dresden and bombing Warsaw.

Fewer nazis=a good thing! Nazi Germany deserved every bomb they got. They deserved the A bomb.

Germany is lucky they weren’t annihilated like the Morgenthau plan called for. They deserved that too.


66 posted on 11/05/2010 7:18:58 PM PDT by Gapplega
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