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Posted on 11/04/2010 7:19:12 PM PDT by WesternCulture
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“Burt Bacharach is the greatest composer. Period. Chuck Berry is a musical genius. Pedestrianism and conventional wisdom are the enemies of thought!”
Let’s talk “genious”.
Jimmy Hendrix vs Chuck Berry:
- What Hendrix did to rock’n’roll - a revolution in itself - words can’t describe.
Are you at work at this hour in Sweden?
As far as Hendrix, read some of the reviews of his discs on Amazon, written by a younger generation of listeners. They are not as impressed, and manage to articulate their criticisms convincingly. Listen to Bill Frisell.
I invested the nine minutes (frantically conducting in front of the laptop, lol). Not exactly the first time I’ve ever heard that particular recording: my late father, a middle-European whose cultural center was Wien, often played it on LP disks.
Of course, my personal favorite for this was Sir Georg Solti and the CSO.
Two things: 1) Beethoven was the first musician to break out of the "musicians are servants" attitude that the aristocracy held (in the 18th century, Haydn was treated as such: he ate and slept in the servant's quarters; Beethoven ate and slept with some of Europe's most eligible female nobility). 2) He suffered terribly from his deafness, yet his genius channeled the pain into some of the most beautiful and transcendent compositions mankind has known.
Everything else in the movie was just a vessel for these two messages.
Indeed it does. The purpose of war is to kill people and break things until the enemy sues for peace. Killing civilians is a good way to make the populace desire that very peace and turn against their warmongering overlords.
This is a fact of war. Stop whining.
Then I suppose you support the fact that the Nazis killed lots of Jewish civilians who the Nazis considered their sworn enemies.....I guess it was a “good way to make the populace desire peace”....after all the purpose of war is to kill people, including civilians, according to you...whether they are at Auswitch or Dresden.
Yeah, we Americans are idiots. I must have missed the Swedish man on the moon. Or the Swedish iPod. Or the Swedish Personal Computer.
The swedes make nice blondes.
Stick to what you know.
Or we will drop a smart bomb on you.
I preferred John Belushi's portrayal.
The blood of Dresden is solely on the hands of Schickelgruber and Company.
That is hardly equivalent. Torturing, starving, experimenting on, and killing captives is not the same as waging war. Since the victims were imprisoned, perforce they could not fulfill the purpose of pleading with their leaders to make peace. We didn’t even find out about the extent of the evil done to the Jews until after the war.
The perpetrators were rightly prosecuted for war crimes for these horrible deeds.
Here’s a little food for thought: Our current “rules of engagement,” where we’re allowed neither to kill civilians nor fire first, enables the enemy to hide in mosques, orphanages, and civilian neighborhoods, using their own innocents as human shields. That costs American lives, and it is a particularly stupid way to wage war. Bleeding-heart policies are killing our troops when we should have cleaned up the area and established peace a long time ago by properly waging war there.
The winners make the rules and write the history....had the Germans prevailed then Roosevelt, Stalin and Churchill would have all been prosecuted for war crimes. Same goes for Lincoln if the South had won.
What is your point? Your answer is another non sequitur. I’m not going to argue with you about propaganda. The truth is that there were torture camps for the prisoners taken by Axis, and there were no torture camps for the prisoners taken by the Allies. Torture camps are war crimes. Bombing an enemy city is not.
The Nazi camps were a straw argument you threw up against my saying that war is war, and I should not have made a riposte to your subject change, nor will I continue to search for a cogent argument in this conversation.
Based upon your logic then the attack on the World Trade Center by Al Qaeda was a legitimate act of war.....and, by the way, lots of German soldiers died from starvation and disease in Soviet and American run camps. Bringing up the Nazi death camps simply highlights how wrong your argument is....the planned killing of civilian targets during war is just wrong....collateral damage is another thing all together. The attack on Dresden was not collateral damage.
When a country starts a world war (the 2nd one they started in 25 years) and one loses, yet again, well, expect to reap the whirlwind. Especially when they called everyone in the occupied territories of the east (Untermenschen) subhumans! I have no sympathy for the incinerated in Dresden. Only those at Auschwitz, and Treblinka, and Sobibor, and Belzec, and Majdanek and Kulmhof am Ner and on and on and on. There is no moral equivalence between bombing Dresden and bombing Warsaw.
Fewer nazis=a good thing! Nazi Germany deserved every bomb they got. They deserved the A bomb.
Germany is lucky they weren’t annihilated like the Morgenthau plan called for. They deserved that too.
I just chanced across this on YouTube. A interesting take on “Ode To Joy.” No doubt about it, Ludwig van Beethoven is an immeasurable and imperishable contribution to Western Civilization. No, strike that; make it Civilization!
Lyrics in English for “Ode to Joy”
(”Ode An Die Freude”)
Beethoven’s 9th Symphony
O friends, no more these sounds!
Let us sing more cheerful songs,
more full of joy!
Joy, bright spark of divinity,
Daughter of Elysium,
Fire-inspired we tread
Thy magic power re-unites
All that custom has divided,
All men become brothers
Under the sway of thy gentle wings.
Whoever has created
An abiding friendship,
Or has won
A true and loving wife,
All who can call at least one soul theirs,
Join in our song of praise;
But any who cannot must creep tearfully
Away from our circle.
All creatures drink of joy
At nature’s breast.
Just and unjust
Alike taste of her gift;
She gave us kisses and the fruit of the vine,
A tried friend to the end.
Even the worm can feel contentment,
And the cherub stands before God!
Gladly, like the heavenly bodies
Which He set on their courses
Through the splendor of the firmament;
Thus, brothers, you should run your race,
As a hero going to conquest.
You millions, I embrace you.
This kiss is for all the world!
Brothers, above the starry canopy
There must dwell a loving Father.
Do you fall in worship, you millions?
World, do you know your creator?
Seek him in the heavens;
Above the stars must He dwell.
If you really want to pursue that idea, maybe "executed" would be a better word than murdered.
It's not like there wasn't provocation and even justification.
And "occupied," would be more appropriate than the bland "Continental."
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