Skip to comments.Bomb-proof tunnel with air conditioning: Obama's security go to extraordinary measures..
Posted on 11/05/2010 9:04:59 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
* American warships to patrol off Mumbai during visit
* Coconuts removed from trees as a precaution
* 250 U.S. business executives with Obama on 'biggest ever trade mission'
* $200million Asia trip cost denied but the President will have huge entourage
It is also reported that a bomb-proof tunnel will be erected for Mr Obama ahead of his visit to Mani Bhavan - the Gandhi museum - on Saturday.
According to Daily News & Analysis, U.S. secret service agents visited the museum on Monday to plan Mr Obama's security during his tour. They were accompanied by Mumbai Police officers and civic officials of the D ward where Mani Bhavan is located. While they were inspecting the route and the buildings lining the path to the museum, U.S. security officers noticed a nearby skyscraper in the highly populated area that could pose a threat. To the amazement of the Indians accompanying the U.S. agents, it was apparently decided to erect a bomb-proof over-ground tunnel, which will be installed by U.S. military engineers in just an hour. The kilometre-long tunnel will measure 12ft by 12ft and will have air-conditioning, close-circuit television cameras, and will be heavily guarded at every point. It's being built so it is large enough for Mr Obama's cavalcade to pass through and will be manned at its entry and exit points.
The material that the tunnel would be made of has not been released but officials said that the structure would be dismantled immediately after Mr Obama and his party leaves the area...
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Clinton took 1300 people on an 11 day trip to Africa in 1998 to the tune of $5.2 million per day. Is there any doubt that the 3000 people that Obama is taking will easily cost $20 million per day?
How are they making this tunnel?
Is it a slap up type of structure with two one foot walls that are then filled with sand?
How would they get all that sand in there in one hour?
This is so embarrassing. Can you imagine Bush doing this?
he is in no security danger, we all just want him to go away.
They won’t go into details. Isn’t his armored limo already air-conditioned? Why is there A/C in the tunnel?
Wow, a portable bomb proof tunnel. Don’t tell me they just thought of that at the last minute, they had to have taken the materials with them.
Word that. LOL
He’s close enough to Kenya, they should just drop him off at his cousin Odingo’s house.
Pretty sure they will welcome him back.
What exactly are American warships going to do if things get dicey in Mumbai? Shell the city? Send in some cruise missiles? I can’t imagine India being too appreciative of any military intervention even in the case of a terrorist attack on a visiting head of state.
Just a precaution in case the limo's A/C breaks down. You can't be too careful about these things.
I'll wait to see how the facts compare to the story line from the unconfirmed sources.
If they actually do build the tunnel, we should name it “The Tunnel of Reggie Love”.
CVBG normally consist of
1 Aircraft Carrier
2 Guided Missile Cruisers
2 Anti Aircraft Warships
and 1-2 Anti Submarine Destroyers or Frigates.
There will also be smaller armed ship for supply, resupply and support roles.
Not out of the realm of possibility there would be 34 ships total whose mission is to support Barry Fauxbama 24 hours a day and on the go, never stopping in a port.
It seems reasonable to conclude that parts of the group would forward deploy as Barry is ferried around on an airplane.
Additionally, it seems like there would be Marine support elements with Harrier and Copter capabilities to support the Presidential movements with elements overlapping so that coverage of Presidential movements would be seamless.
So yeah, it depends on what the meaning of “is” is and how they define what theater of operation they are currently in but still in operational support of the mission.
How many American jobs will be outsourced in the short term and long term due to this trip? I bet you that’s the agenda of why he’s inviting so many US biz leadership to attend. I bet this does incalculable damage to the American job market as Obama will make sure a deal to increase H1B quotas is raised while this country is facing depression levels of unemployment for US citizens. Watch.
Part of controlling the environment completely.
I asked about the structure as there are a couple of defense contractors who make systems like this.
Give me a few minutes and I will get you some links. They are really cool, very portable and highly configurable to suit the mission requirements.
Note to Obey. There is no A/C in Hell.
I thought Zero said the US could absrob another terrorist attack.
Nope. There are several companies that make these.
very portable and when packed at less than 10% of the assembled foot print.
You basically pull these thing apart, fill them with native material(dirt, pebbles, sand, etc) and they are modular in design meaning you can stack them and connect them like Lego blocks.
Theater of operation? Are we invading India for the purpose of letting The Won visit it?
If this trip has so many dangers, why are the obama’s taking their daughters with them?
I still think it’s a hoax.
I didn’t get this from the tabloids. I wouldn’t put anything past this administration.
It is almost as if they want an attack on the President to generate some sympathy back home. A really stupid trip.
Would you defect without your children?
I smell a rat, something not good is afoot. Twenty-four (24) ships, forty (40) aircraft send to the Indian ocean. Why?
This does not add up. Has Gates attempted an explanation yet?
Is The Usurper weakening homeland forces to enable a UN invasion of peace keepers, when the dollar and banks collapse overnight?
I sincerely hope I am suffering from an over active imagination.
Well I’m not military but I assume anywhere we have forces they are in theater and on mission which will have a definition and objective.
India is a friendly country. We (obama, the entourage) are the visitors. What right do we have to treat them this shabbily when we are the guests? Theater of operation? Operational support of the mission? This aint the battle for Okinawa or anything. I’m sure obama is thrilled to have such a fuss made over him, but it is a heavy duty embarassment to me, as an American.
Well put. In past American history, our security forces quietly protected our dignitaries in a very low profile manner. The Host is obliged to protect his guests.
In this case, the host is mightily embarrassed by the security entourage that must accompany the pres__ent - you can bet on it. Particularly in Asia where traditions of honor are still held in high regard.
The story about removing the coconuts is an attempt to recover some face for our Indian brethren - they are saying, ‘look at what lengths we will go to, to protect our guest’. They’re trying to point out that they, as the hosts, are doing everything they can. Then we slap them twice across the face in public bragging about how many ninjas, men in black, and men with steel we have to take along with us in order to visit them.
This country doesn’t pick up on the nuances of this visit, but you can bet the rest of the world will - the rest of Asia, Africa, South America. They all still have a modicum of honor that this white house can’t even begin to comprehend.
Sheesh. This post-American world of hussein is embarrassing, isn’t it?
Well, actually we are not only visitors but the one lone Super Power.
As such, we travel with a heavy contingency of protection and incumbent countries understand our very special needs or we cannot come.
They aldo travel with their contingencies but rely on your national forces, state forces and local forces.(read FBI, SS, NSA, Sheriff and Police).
A tremendous amount of consultation and negotiation goes into the travel arrangements and security requirements.
Trust me, there are really bad actors out there and they use Anti-personal measures and weapons. LAWS rockets, .50 cal type weapon, swarming at levels of density such as 30+ in unit forces. It goes on and on.
But, whether or not we like Barry and I don’t, he needs to be protected at all times under our control and protection.
Even to the point of controlling ingress, egress and escape contingencies.
The only embarrassment for me, as an American, is there doesn’t seem to be an agenda.
Moreover, given the economic climate I think those countries should come and visit us if we are negotiating specific points in our national interest.
You’re joking, right?
I guess I’m not getting your point. Sorry.
Seriously. Feel free to whack me with a Clue by Four.
Not trying to evade or be obstinate just don’t understand your objection.
The Pentagon denies the warship part of this:
“Q: India’s state media is reporting that the president is going to bring an enormous amount of security with him during his visit to India this weekend, to include 34 U.S. warships that would be moved to the Mumbai area. Whether or not these reports are true, they’ve certainly stirred up a lot of interest. I was wondering if you could comment on specifically the 34 warships portion of that.
MR. MORRELL: Yeah, I mean, I think there’s been a lot of creative writing that’s been done on this trip over the last few days. I’ve seen other reports with some astronomical figures in terms of what it costs to take these trips.
I don’t know the cost. We don’t speak to the cost. We obviously have some support role for presidential travel. We don’t speak to that in detail for security reasons. But I will take the liberty this time of dismissing as absolutely absurd this notion that somehow we were deploying 10 percent of the Navy — some 34 ships and an aircraft carrier — in support of the president’s trip to Asia. That’s just comical. Nothing close to that is being done.
But the notion that the president would require security as he travels to India and elsewhere should not come as a surprise to anyone. I mean, you know, this is a country that, sadly, withstood a devastating terrorist attack what? — a couple of years ago. So it is — it stands to reason that we would want to take precautions for presidential travel.
But that is a, really, issue that you should probably most directly address, again, to my friends at the White House. Does that answer your question?
Q It does. Unless any, you know, special security requests come this time around with this trip. We’d be interested to know —
MR. MORRELL: Well, I — we would not speak to you about special security requests. We wouldn’t speak to you about any security requests. All we’ll say is that this department does play a role in support of presidential missions, but we don’t care to, for security reasons, discuss the particulars of that.
I made an exception in batting down this absurd notion of there being 34 ships, or more than 10 percent of the Navy, deployed in support of this trip. That is most certainly not the case.”
Seven plus One already tried to. We cannot go into a foreign country, especially one like India, with our military and do whatever we want to. Even if things get seriously nasty. It would be a huge international incident if we did. A major setback in relations if we even acted like we would.
Our own security details, working under the close supervision of Indian authorities, yes. But they would never allow military boots on the ground. That's why I asked earlier what good warships would be. India has war ships and they control their own waters. There is no possible use for ours there.
If targets on the ground needed striking India would do it themselves. Using heavy air or sea power would be a bizarre way to deal with a terrorist cell on your own soil anyway. It would be highly insulting to India to even offer military assistance beyond the basic security detail.
But this President is a fool and an ego-maniac so I won't rule out the possibility that he would order it until we have reports after the fact that say we didn't send any.
I see your point. However, I disagree.
Do you remember when Bush’s agent was suddenly held back in South America?
Bush literally turned around and grabbed his agent by the collar pulling him into position of proximity.
The host country doesn’t have to agree to our security requirements. We just won’t go.
We are also doing the host country a huge favor with such a large security detail and apparatus.
I mean, can you imagine how embarrassing it would be to the host country if anything happened to POTUS? The ramifications would be horrible.
No other head of state would dare visit India.
All other countries would immediately lock down their embassies.
All other countries would immediately reduce business operations, in particular, the USA. Not good for your country if the POTUS isn’t safe with his security detail then business men would most certainly not be safe.
A huge blow to the prestige of the host country from which they might take generations to resolve.
The ramifications are just unacceptable for the host country.
Besides, having the POTUS in your country is a big, big deal. The presence of the POTUS is more than a status symbol but by its very nature elevates the international status of the host country.
Now to another point. Imagine a foreign force takes out the POTUS. Now it’s not just the important items mentions above but would be even more devastating than an internal force acting. An external force would so damage their national security and military they would never taken seriously again.
Who want’s to be known for having crap control of borders, which would further demonstrate how weak they are if a foreign force couldn’t be detected.
Talk about Martial law, I mean, the current leadership of say India or any other country would immediately lock the country down. Curfews, old enemies attacked, less people able to interact with their leaders.
The people could never hope to petition the countries leadership as they will be in a bunker somewhere for a very long time.
The POTUS being succesfully attacked would immediately give prestige to the attackers.
Can you imagine what the recruitment numbers would be if Al Qaeda were successful?
What an embarrasement for our own country as well and you know Al Qaeda would film the attack and play it all over the Internet with their Allah music.
Besides, who has all the badass toys for surveillance, detection, attack and defense? Well that would be us. The good ole’ USofA.
Our guys have it all. They are trained and coordinate well.
We have the best comms in the world.
We have the best jets in the world
We can Jam any damn thing we want.
We have guys that can shoot from more than a mile away and are very experienced at it.
We have the best electronics surveilance equipment.
We have robots and in ground sensors.
We have drones that perform a jillion things a human can’t do for hours on end.
We can afford to purchase a tunnel Hesco and put it up to protect our people and the POTUS.
BTW, we are not just providing protection to the POTUS but also for FLOTUS and some 250 business men.
We simply have more assets, better training and comms to do this.
But if you feel like we should send just a security detail, then you won’t mind if an Anwar Sadaat or Bhutto incident takes place. For that matter an incident on par with Ford or Reagan.
Bottom line: The host country is free to not have us come but it affects their prestige not ours.
Conversely if we do come, anything that happens also affects their prestige and coincidentally ours.
You want to be in the proximity of the POTUS we got requirements.
Couldn’t care less about their feelings.
Damned if you don’t, damned if you do.
One can never be to cautious with the POTUS safety and life.
Heck he is even taking his own chef to ensure no one spikes his food. Seemed odd at first then I thought it through and it makes sense.
Oh and about India being a friendly country:
Isn’t Barry staying at the very hotel where more than 100 people lost their lives?
Seems they came from the water and it was a short jaunt from their egress point to the doors of the hotel.
They were also trained very well and had planned this thing out intricately.
Where did I say India is a “friendly” country?
To which 34 warships would be totally useless. You watch too many movies I think.
Well, our planes, helos and drones are using the Carrier and ships as basing for taking off and landing.
Mumbai is a harbor city and if there is a problem with reaching Air Force One our Naval operations enables another route of egress to move the POTUS to a safer more secure location.
Again it’s the prestige of both countries involved and lets bad actors know we brought the full force of the USA to project our power and protect POTUS.
In regards to “friendly” that was directed to Seven plus One who I forgot to include in my response.
Why do you have such a problem with protecting the USA?
Any attack on the POTUS is an attack on the USA.
I provided an extensive justification for the security and you have only said, per se “I don’t like it”?
Do you have an alternative detail?
Dont confuse the two. There are sihks who know obama is a muslim, and they remember!
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