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Mysterious missile launch most likely US Air flight 808
Island Turtle ^ | November 11, 2010 | Corky Boyd

Posted on 11/10/2010 12:27:27 AM PST by Corky Boyd

Network news and the internet were abuzz with the report and video by Los Angeles CBS affiliate KCBS of a reported missile launch late Monday afternoon -- around 5 PM. Both the Air Force and the Navy denied they had any missiles launches at the time. According to CBS News the Defense Department remains baffled.

"Nobody within the Department of Defense that we've reached out to has been able to explain what this contrail is, where it came from," Pentagon spokesman Col. Dave Lapan said. "So far, we've come up empty with any explanation."

And they go on:

"The FAA told CBS News that they ran radar replays of a large area west of Los Angeles based on media reports of the location of a possible missile launch, but they did not reveal any fast moving unidentified targets in that area. The FAA also did not receive any reports of any unusual sightings from pilots in the area."

"The North American Aerospace Defense Command, or NORAD, issued a statement jointly with the U.S. Northern Command, or NORTHCOM, saying that the contrail was not the result of a foreign military launching a missile. It provided no further details."

A search for flights that could have left a contrail led me to US Air’s flight 808 from Honolulu to Phoenix. The flight took off from Honolulu at 10:06 AM HST, passed over Catalina Island at 5:03 PM PST....

(Excerpt) Read more at islandturtle.blogspot.com ...


TOPICS: Government
KEYWORDS: blog; blogpimp; californiamissile; contrail; disinformation; missilelaunch; mysterymissile; propaganda; usair
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1 posted on 11/10/2010 12:27:35 AM PST by Corky Boyd
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To: Corky Boyd

I have flown in to LA from Honolulu many times. We passed over Catalina a lot. But we were heading East. That missile was heading West by North.


2 posted on 11/10/2010 12:32:37 AM PST by screaminsunshine (Americanism vs Communism)
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To: screaminsunshine

You’re right.


3 posted on 11/10/2010 12:35:55 AM PST by namvolunteer (We draw the Congressional districts this time)
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To: screaminsunshine

and straight up


4 posted on 11/10/2010 12:37:40 AM PST by DontTreadOnMe2009 (So stop treading on me already!)
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To: Corky Boyd

Pure propaganda. No way that was an airplane.


5 posted on 11/10/2010 12:38:43 AM PST by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/28/08 and why?)
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To: screaminsunshine; Corky Boyd

Frankly, I find the scramble in the MSM to spin this as a combination airliner and optical illusion, and the willingness of people to believe it in defiance of all common sense, as disturbing as the launch itself.


6 posted on 11/10/2010 12:40:35 AM PST by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent)
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To: Corky Boyd

If you see a turtle on a fence post you should assume someone put it there. If you see a sham cover up from an IslandTurtle it seems to me that the same assumption should be made. The next thought is why?


7 posted on 11/10/2010 12:41:31 AM PST by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken!)
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To: DontTreadOnMe2009

Well looked to me like it was on a sub orbital track to the NW assuming the camera was over LA. It was going away. I have seen a lot of launches from the cape. It sure looks like a solid fuel booster and appears to begin staging at the end of the clip. I have not seen a contrail going at that speed. Airliners only fly at 550knts.


8 posted on 11/10/2010 12:42:33 AM PST by screaminsunshine (Americanism vs Communism)
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To: higgmeister

Corky Boyd - I am retired newspaperman


9 posted on 11/10/2010 12:43:26 AM PST by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken!)
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To: higgmeister

If it was the Koreans or Chinese Obama would need to cover it up.


10 posted on 11/10/2010 12:43:42 AM PST by screaminsunshine (Americanism vs Communism)
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To: Finny

Never believe anything in the MSM. They are prodigy of the communists.


11 posted on 11/10/2010 12:45:15 AM PST by screaminsunshine (Americanism vs Communism)
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To: higgmeister

Corky Boyd rarely posts a comment and has only posted about 70 times since he signed up in ‘04.


12 posted on 11/10/2010 12:46:36 AM PST by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/28/08 and why?)
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To: Corky Boyd
I saw the video and that was not an aircraft. There are only three answers. It was one of ours. It was one of theirs. or the Klingon Empire has declared war.
13 posted on 11/10/2010 12:51:41 AM PST by BigCinBigD (Northern flags in South winds flutter...)
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To: higgmeister

” The next thought is why?”

I would say 1 of 3 things. Either a Civil defense drill to test public perception of a crisis, a propulsion test or something happened to the missile and they removed the warhead and shot the missile off for safety reasons.

What we do know is it came from the ocean so the assumption would have to be it was launched from a sub.


14 posted on 11/10/2010 1:04:13 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (Remember March 23, 1775. Remember March 23, 2010)
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To: OldMissileer

Quoting your take here since you sure as heck know missiles [and bless you for serving our nation!]

OldMissileer: “That is a sub launched ballistic missile and it looks as if its’ trajectory was taking it toward Kwajalein Atoll where we target our western test launches.”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2624382/posts?page=47#47


15 posted on 11/10/2010 1:06:52 AM PST by Arthur Wildfire! March (Our 2010 victory was won the Tea Party Way, not the RINO way.)
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To: screaminsunshine

“That missile was heading West by North.”

That was the impression that I got.
I also noted a small dot at the front end of the trail, as the source.
Has anyone magnified it?
I also noted the pulsing look of the trail.


16 posted on 11/10/2010 1:08:36 AM PST by AlexW
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To: EQAndyBuzz

“Either a Civil defense drill to test public perception of a crisis”

No need for orchestrated tests. They have plenty of real life experience to draw upon and don’t want to be blamed for potentially dampening the stock market.

“... a propulsion test or something happened to the missile and they removed the warhead and shot the missile off for safety reasons.”

That only makes sense if BO told them not to explain themselves. Otherwise, they would gladly have cleared this up and not look like they’re embarrassed.


17 posted on 11/10/2010 1:09:54 AM PST by Arthur Wildfire! March (Our 2010 victory was won the Tea Party Way, not the RINO way.)
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To: higgmeister

Because the US was caught with their britches down?


18 posted on 11/10/2010 1:21:07 AM PST by rickb308 (Nothing good ever came from someone yelling Allah Snackbar)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March

Maybe the ChiComs wanted to see if we really do have a missile defense system. 0blahblah is scheduled to meet with them on his grand tour too. Perhaps Hu will give him a knowing look as he explains the importance of not devaluing the dollar.


19 posted on 11/10/2010 1:31:59 AM PST by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/28/08 and why?)
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To: Corky Boyd
The flight took off from Honolulu at 10:06 AM HST, passed over Catalina Island at 5:03 PM PST....

This is hogwash. At the time USA808 would have been "over" Catalina Island at 5:03 PM PST. The Military MOA W289 and W289N were both active, these two MOA's literally cut Catalina Island in half.

All commercial traffic inbound and out bound to SOCAL Area are routed well north of these two MOA's.

http://sua.faa.gov/sua/pans.do?selected=2&fromuf=UF

20 posted on 11/10/2010 1:35:03 AM PST by The Magical Mischief Tour
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To: Corky Boyd

“Mysterious missile launch most likely US Air flight 808”

haha


21 posted on 11/10/2010 1:36:49 AM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
RAW VIDEO: Mysterious Contrail Off Calif. (screen shots too)

From the comments at the link on that thread...

Lorrie Laible

I find it intersting that no one “claims” to know about this. Yesterday we were returning from Honolulu on Hawaiian Airlines with an arrival time of 3:25 pm at LAX. Approximately 270 miles away our pilot came on the speaker and told us we would be rerouted over Big Sur California due to military maneuvers in our path. Maybe they should speak with the pilot of our flight.

November 9, 2010 at 2:44 pm | Reply | Report comment


22 posted on 11/10/2010 1:38:12 AM PST by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/28/08 and why?)
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To: Corky Boyd

It was a white man in a white van.


23 posted on 11/10/2010 1:40:49 AM PST by Keli Kilohana (Editor, ZARR CHASM CHRONICAL [sic], Sore, WV)
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To: TigersEye

“Perhaps Hu will give him a knowing look as he explains the importance of not devaluing the dollar.”

The heck of it is, they will assume they have the upper hand over this even if it was our own missile. I suspect Obama wants to maximize embarrassment for our military.

On the other hand ... China has attended many of our naval exercizes. They know our weaknesses. [Thanks, Clinton!]


24 posted on 11/10/2010 1:42:46 AM PST by Arthur Wildfire! March (Our 2010 victory was won the Tea Party Way, not the RINO way.)
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To: Keli Kilohana

Don’t forget: on the grassy knoll.


25 posted on 11/10/2010 1:43:02 AM PST by rickb308 (Nothing good ever came from someone yelling Allah Snackbar)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March

“That only makes sense if BO told them not to explain themselves. Otherwise, they would gladly have cleared this up and not look like they’re embarrassed.”

“Don’t let a good crisis go to waste.”

I would say this is another “Navy cannot operate in this area” scene to be played out by our two esteemed Democrat Senators in California. Sort of like what happened with the Sonar in Frisco bay and how it was affecting the whales.


26 posted on 11/10/2010 1:44:14 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (Remember March 23, 1775. Remember March 23, 2010)
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To: EQAndyBuzz; TigersEye

“... the Sonar in Frisco bay and how it was affecting the whales.”

EQ, were you the guy who posted that earlier? I could imagine this goofy administration cutting off active sonar. And China would know about it because they attended many of our naval exerciizes.


27 posted on 11/10/2010 1:46:32 AM PST by Arthur Wildfire! March (Our 2010 victory was won the Tea Party Way, not the RINO way.)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

Are you saying the ChiComs don’t respect the whale? That’s wasiss!!!


28 posted on 11/10/2010 1:47:34 AM PST by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/28/08 and why?)
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To: EQAndyBuzz
Sort of like what happened with the Sonar in Frisco bay and how it was affecting the whales.

http://www.rathergood.com/manatee

29 posted on 11/10/2010 1:49:45 AM PST by The Magical Mischief Tour
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March

I posted that. I remember the stink in California because of it. I would think that the lefties out west would use this as another reason why the navy shouldn’t be operating so close to shore.


30 posted on 11/10/2010 1:51:37 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (Remember March 23, 1775. Remember March 23, 2010)
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To: Corky Boyd

What was that lame excuse they came up with when a missle brought down TWA Flight 800 back in ‘96?
An exploding fuel tank?

The government knuckleheads need to start telling the truth about something.


31 posted on 11/10/2010 1:51:37 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: EQAndyBuzz

Respect the whale!
32 posted on 11/10/2010 1:53:36 AM PST by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/28/08 and why?)
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To: BigCinBigD

Well, the Klingon’s did celebrate the day that Obama, our weakest leader in history, was elected...


33 posted on 11/10/2010 1:58:24 AM PST by ransomnote
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To: DontTreadOnMe2009
and straight up

With a corkscrew contrail near the ground.
Missile

34 posted on 11/10/2010 2:05:30 AM PST by Vinnie (You're Nobody 'Til Somebody Jihads You)
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To: Corky Boyd

FWIW
According to Business Insider, ‘top aviation journalist’ Jon Ostrower said via twitter that he was 100% convinced it was a jet.

From website Instapundit.com:
“Reader Larry Rachman writes: “Sounds like those aliens from that faked oil rig explosion are finally heading home. Godspeed.””

Also from website Instapundit.com, a letter
from Cliff Beach who says he was in the army - missile defense for 22 years, says the following ( summary quotes):
“So if this was a missile, the DoD knows it was within a few seconds.”
and
“Adding to the belief that it is unlikely DoD is withholding info is the fact that DoD has no pubic relations staff sitting around ready to confirm that a passenger jet was flying in the sky near our west coast. They probably have not the foggiest idea how to absolutely confirm that jet A caused contrail B seen by public C and ensure it is believed by conspiracy theorists D, E, and F. “


35 posted on 11/10/2010 2:09:08 AM PST by ransomnote
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To: EQAndyBuzz

Conservatives might have an opportunity here too:

Dropping The Shield
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2544706/posts
Wednesday, June 30, 2010 4:55:36 PM · by Kaslin · 10 replies
IBD Editorials ^ | June 30, 2010 | Investors Business Daily staff
National Security: The administration is ready to sign a treaty stripping us of our ability to defend ourselves against enemy nuclear missiles, including Iran’s and North Korea’s.

Obama appointee, Philip Coyle: Russia must pressure U.S. not to deploy missile defense system
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2548887/posts


36 posted on 11/10/2010 2:11:48 AM PST by Arthur Wildfire! March (Our 2010 victory was won the Tea Party Way, not the RINO way.)
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To: Vinnie; TigersEye; OldMissileer

“With a corkscrew contrail near the ground.”

Yeah, I suppose passenger jets fly in corkscrew flight patterns to save on fuel. /sarc.


37 posted on 11/10/2010 2:16:30 AM PST by Arthur Wildfire! March (Our 2010 victory was won the Tea Party Way, not the RINO way.)
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To: ransomnote
They know a qoH when they see one...
38 posted on 11/10/2010 2:17:28 AM PST by BigCinBigD (Northern flags in South winds flutter...)
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To: ransomnote

That’s reassuring to think that the DoD has no idea when an aircraft comes with 35 miles of one of our biggest cities. Not to mention numerous military bases in the area.


39 posted on 11/10/2010 2:18:12 AM PST by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/28/08 and why?)
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Passenger jets come straight up out of the ocean in a corkscrew pattern ALL THE TIME. What’s wrong with you guys?

/s


40 posted on 11/10/2010 3:15:00 AM PST by Big Giant Head (Two years no AV, no viruses, computer runs great!)
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To: Finny

I notice that this is getting very little serious air play....typical...


41 posted on 11/10/2010 3:30:30 AM PST by cherry
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To: ransomnote
...Jon Ostrower said via twitter that he was 100% convinced it was a jet.

If that's really what he said, then Jon Ostrower is a moron.

42 posted on 11/10/2010 3:41:35 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Corky Boyd

43 posted on 11/10/2010 3:43:27 AM PST by COBOL2Java (Obama is the least qualified guy in whatever room he walks into.)
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To: Corky Boyd

Has anyone tracked where it might have ended up?


44 posted on 11/10/2010 3:46:58 AM PST by Bellflower (All meaning is in The LORD.)
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To: Bellflower

I believe radar has determined the ‘missile’ landed safely in Phoenix.


45 posted on 11/10/2010 3:49:09 AM PST by Godebert
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To: Vinnie
and straight up

With a corkscrew contrail near the ground. Missile

It is truly unbelievable how stupid and easily led so many people are. They sure must be in some kind of thick cloud of a daze.

46 posted on 11/10/2010 3:52:43 AM PST by Bellflower (All meaning is in The LORD.)
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To: cherry

This is insane.

A missile? Seriously? FR, a place I’ve learned to come for clarity of thought and common sense in these days when such is so rare, and we have so many believing in a conspiracy theory to protect misileering pirates?

It is so, so very clear when you look at the various vid pieces of this thing that it is a conventional aircraft traveling eastbound over the coast..........not a phantom missile by the ChiCom Overlords.

-the contrail fades in and out, even disappears at times, just as an airline passing through different altitudes and aerial conditions

-the source of the contrail is coming toward the camera as evidenced by the clear glint of sunlight off of the aircraft’s underside...that wouldn’t be so clear of something headed west where this would have been obscured by the trail

So, this is a Chinese SLBM? Where did it go? The seaways and airways are crowded with commercial traffic communicating over very public airwaves. Commercial pilots over a very busy SoCal would be sure to notice A BALLISTIC MISSILE blowing a whole through traffic lanes right off of the coast and yet no alarm was sounded.

Good God, people, get a flippin’ grip. This isn’t political or about Obama or the Chinese or the Zeta Reticulans..........it’s a freakin’ airplane and it’s not hard to see.


47 posted on 11/10/2010 3:54:07 AM PST by JoenTX (Don't Tread on Me)
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To: Corky Boyd
I do think more and more that what the helicopter saw was the contrail from US Airways Flight 808 from Honolulu to Phoenix.

I cite these reasons:

1) If it WAS a missile launch, how come there were no reports of the USAF Defense Support Program satellite or its Russian equivalent tracking the IR plume of the rocket from sea level up?

2) Wouldn't we see the a very strong contrail of a Trident II (D-5) rocket from the ground up?

3) Wouldn't the contrail from the rocket move REALLY fast? On most modern SLBM's, by the time the rocket reaches 100,000 feet it would be travelling at over Mach 3. As such, the contrail moved slowly, which rules out a modern long-range ballistic missile or even the RIM-161 Standard Missile-3 space interceptor missile.

4) There are no rocket launch facilities on the Channel Islands, so that rules out the use of sounding rockets, especially since sounding rocket launch facilities are all located inside Vandenberg AFB grounds.

5) There are no reports of any ships capable of launching the RIM-161 SM-3 missile in the supposed launch area, so that rules out a launch of such a missile.

6) I have my serious doubts that a Russian or Chinese SSBN submarine would operate so close to the USA. Standard operating policy for Russian SSBN's is to operate in Arctic waters to take advantage of the protection of the Arctic ice pack, and the Chinese Type 094 SSBN would operate close to the Chinese coast, since its primary targets would industrial, military and urban centers along the US West Coast from Bellingham, WA all the way to San Diego.

48 posted on 11/10/2010 4:16:41 AM PST by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: RayChuang88

Sure it was probably USA 808. And it was a fuel pump that brought down TWA 800.


49 posted on 11/10/2010 4:24:43 AM PST by greenhornet68
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To: RayChuang88
They also reran the radar info from the time period involved and there were NO unidentified objects.

The video shows a contrail from a plane.

50 posted on 11/10/2010 4:28:13 AM PST by Wissa (Gone Galt)
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