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Mystery missile launch': Chinese missile test or airline contrail?
examiner.com ^ | 11/12/10 | Joe Newby

Posted on 11/12/2010 7:02:24 PM PST by Korah

Hosted by imgur.comA report posted today at a CNN website claims the "mystery missile launch" on Monday was actually a Chinese missile test. According to the report:

China flexed its military muscle Monday evening in the skies west of Los Angeles when a Chinese Navy Jin class ballistic missile nuclear submarine, deployed secretly from its underground home base on the south coast of Hainan island, launched an intercontinental ballistic missile from international waters off the southern California coast. WMR’s intelligence sources in Asia, including Japan, say the belief by the military commands in Asia and the intelligence services is that the Chinese decided to demonstrate to the United States its capabilities on the eve of the G-20 Summit in Seoul and the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation summit in Tokyo, where President Obama is scheduled to attend during his ten-day trip to Asia.

However, the report - placed on CNN's user-generated iReport site - has yet to be vetted or confirmed by CNN, and is full of un-named, unquoted sources. The only link provided goes to a site with basically the same report - again, with no corroboration.

The source of the report is one Wayne Madsen, who once claimed Wikileaks was a CIA operation, and that Al-Qaeda was a front for the military-industrial complex.

No other news organization is reporting the incident as part of a Chinese missile test at this time.

A much less sinister explanation is provided by a site called "Contrail Science".

According to a report at that site, the CBS camera crew probably captured Flight AWE808 from Hawaii to Phoenix, and the perspective of the the viewer made the contrail appear to be a ballistic missile being launched, possibly, from a submarine.

The site reports a very similar incident:

An interesting contrail cropped up off the coast of San Clemente, Orange County, California on December 31st 2009. The curious shape led.......



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1 posted on 11/12/2010 7:02:31 PM PST by Korah
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To: Korah

Absolute nonsense. No Chinese or anyone else’s sub could ever get that close to our shore, much less launch a missile.


2 posted on 11/12/2010 7:05:20 PM PST by gandalftb (OK State, 8-1, Go Cowboys!)
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To: Korah

No friggen plane, no way. I actually know a missile er at Vandenburg. No way is this a plane.


3 posted on 11/12/2010 7:05:44 PM PST by lookout88 (.combat officer's dad,)
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To: Korah

IF... if it was an airplane, how many airplanes were up in the air at that same time WITHOUT leaving a contrail? That is the BUSIEST airspace in the world. 4 major airports.


4 posted on 11/12/2010 7:06:46 PM PST by irishtenor (All that I say, all that I do, is predestined.)
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To: Korah

I still vote contrail. The simplest solution is usually correct.


5 posted on 11/12/2010 7:07:06 PM PST by mnehring
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To: Korah
I believe this report to the deep!! While our joker in chief was overseas spending 200mil a day the Chinese were busy measuring the USA for it's coffin! GOD HOW I MISS PRESIDENT REAGAN!!
6 posted on 11/12/2010 7:08:06 PM PST by RoseofTexas
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To: Korah

I believe it was a missile launch.


7 posted on 11/12/2010 7:08:15 PM PST by dragnet2
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To: mnehring

Yep. If the government wanted to cover it up, there would be no better way than simply claiming to have launched it themselves.


8 posted on 11/12/2010 7:09:31 PM PST by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: Korah
Now conspiracy theorists' posts on some blogsite are news sources and worthy of their own article.

We've really turned a corner, haven't we?

This "Chinese Missile" event has become a Rorschach Test.

"Please tell me how many Muslim Extremists and/or Chinese ICBMs you see in this Google Valentine's Day logo..."

9 posted on 11/12/2010 7:11:15 PM PST by The KG9 Kid
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To: irishtenor
IF... if it was an airplane, how many airplanes were up in the air at that same time WITHOUT leaving a contrail? That is the BUSIEST airspace in the world. 4 major airports.

I see it all the time. The jets at higher altitudes leave long contrails and those heading in to land at detroit leave short ones.
10 posted on 11/12/2010 7:11:26 PM PST by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: Korah
An interesting contrail cropped up off the coast of San Clemente, Orange County, California on December 31st 2009. The curious shape led...

We never had definitive proof that the December 31st 2009 launch was a plane or missile. All we got is some ridiculous blog page that contains perspective trickery and unverified alternative images of that event that are obviously not the same event. This new report on CNN appears to be from one of the lefty loons. That is the typical Government Disinformation outlet. At least we now know that they are concerned enough to try to lump all the 'its a missile folks crowd' into the lunatic fringe. Typical Government disinfo tactics.

11 posted on 11/12/2010 7:11:50 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: Korah

To repost a comment I made on another thread:

Let’s go through the evidence.

First, we do *not* have the U.S. Government reacting in a panic. A fleet of anti-submarine airplanes did *not* race out of San Diego to the potential launch site. The aircraft carrier helping the cruise ship did *not* divert to race to the area. Obama/Biden were *not* whisked away to safety.

Does this behaviour match an unannounced missile launch by an unknown party, or does it match an optical illusion?

Second, we do *not* have anyone gloating nor complaining about it. We do *not* have Russia angrily reminding us that ICBM launches must by treaty be announced in advance. We do *not* have Chinese news stations proudly announcing a successful test.

Does this behaviour match a missile launch within sight of US land, or does it match an optical illusion?

Third, we do *not* have any indication at all of where the hypothetical missle landed. We do *not* have amateur astronomers reporting “meteor” sightings along the possible track nor announcing a new satellite. We do *not* have reports of unexplained radar sightings. We do *not* have a recovery team scouring the area (any area) where it might have landed.

Does this behaviour match a missile launch which must come down somewhere, or does this behaviour match an optical illusion?

Fourth, we have testimony. NORAD claims it did not detect a missile launch. The FAA says its radar tracks don’t show any unexplained fast-moving objects. The pentagon says none of our forces launched anything and whatever it is isn’t a threat to us. The entire US military has the attitude of “Huh? I don’t show anything, do you?”.

Does this behaviour match a missile launch (possible cover story: “Routine test, nothing to be alarmed about”) or does it match an optical illusion?

Against this, we have a video of an pre-existing contrail. It’s hard to judge the speed of the object creating the contrail — it looks to me like the camera is jittering from the helicopter, and the actual object isn’t moving that quickly.

In short, now that more evidence has come forward, I consider the chance of this being a missile launch about as high as the chance that the mainstream media will announce the religion of the next terrorist.


12 posted on 11/12/2010 7:12:24 PM PST by TennesseeProfessor (Also, didn't the original reporter say he watched it for 10 minutes? Not a missile then)
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To: Korah

More lies from CNN and China......BS


13 posted on 11/12/2010 7:12:26 PM PST by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: Korah

Its possible to get past SOSUS, if they have inside information, they have the expertise to cloak a sub with “biologicals” noise, in effect make it sound like a whale.

In reality if it had happened we would have seen a pretty hard and fast response by our Naval resources, which did NOT happen.

I am thinking that we shot off something that was aimed at something else, possibly a satellite in a degraded and dangerous re-entry path, maybe an obsolete bird with plutonium aboard, or an old spy bird.


14 posted on 11/12/2010 7:12:55 PM PST by Eye of Unk (If your enemy is quick to anger, seek to irritate him. Sun Tzu, The Art of War.)
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To: The KG9 Kid
AAAIIIIIIEEE

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15 posted on 11/12/2010 7:13:14 PM PST by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: Korah
A good conspiracy theory must have a healthy does of plausibility and I must say this one has it in spades. IF the Chinese military wanted to do such a thing, the timing was perfect; the G20 meeting was about to convene and Obama was out of the country in contact with lots of foreigners (no need to make NSA privy to the communication). Who is to say that someone did not approach him with a special message saying "Mr. President, in 15 minutes the following is going to happen and if your military intervenes or attempts to prosecute an attack on our platform after the fact, we will repeat the launch but this time towards Los Angeles." What better way to do it? Imagine if you were given the assignment to come up with a recommendation on how to demonstrate to the President just who was boss here. Body language notwithstanding. Tom Clancy could do no better.

Contrail? After reflection (npi), probably although I want to watch the next few KSC launches really, really carefully. And if so, I'll bet the Chinese are saying "D'oh, why didn't we think of that???"

16 posted on 11/12/2010 7:13:39 PM PST by NonValueAdded (Palin 2012)
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To: gandalftb

Absolute nonsense. No Chinese or anyone else’s sub could ever get that close to our shore, much less launch a missile.

I beg to differ I think it would be real easy


17 posted on 11/12/2010 7:14:48 PM PST by al baby (Hi Mom REMEMBER FREE REPUBLIC IN YOUR WILL. I DID)
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To: mnehring

I am still on the fence as to what it was, but i thought this would add some to the discussion. I am looking for the experts here to convince me one way or the other.


18 posted on 11/12/2010 7:15:12 PM PST by Korah
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To: cripplecreek
If the government wanted to cover it up, there would be no better way than simply claiming to have launched it themselves.

Right. Then the Chinese upload a detailed youtube video of their launch. And the US stock market crashes the next day.

19 posted on 11/12/2010 7:15:48 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: The KG9 Kid
"Please tell me how many Muslim Extremists and/or Chinese ICBMs you see in this Google Valentine's Day logo..."

Well, it is kind of easy to believe that aggressor nations would be encouraged after watching "President Doormat" the past two years...

20 posted on 11/12/2010 7:16:07 PM PST by Caipirabob ( Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: cripplecreek

21 posted on 11/12/2010 7:16:32 PM PST by The KG9 Kid
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To: cripplecreek

Wow, those Chinese are popping off rockets all over the place.

I have a new conspiracy theory- it is the inner earth reptilian people.


22 posted on 11/12/2010 7:16:40 PM PST by mnehring
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To: The KG9 Kid
Now conspiracy theorists' posts on some blogsite are news sources and worthy of their own article.

Look, I found this and thought it made sense. Now if you can disprove it OK, but don't jump down my throat for posting it.
23 posted on 11/12/2010 7:17:15 PM PST by Korah
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To: cripplecreek

Notice how the contrails are bright with respect to the viewers side. Why do you think that is ?


24 posted on 11/12/2010 7:17:17 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: TennesseeProfessor
Good post on #12 - thanks...

OTOH, I believe the 3 stooges would produce a more competent response than this administration could.

25 posted on 11/12/2010 7:18:31 PM PST by Caipirabob ( Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: RoseofTexas
I believe this report to the deep!

What do you mean by that? I am confused. Did I miss something?
26 posted on 11/12/2010 7:18:50 PM PST by Korah
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To: Korah
BS, first of all I believe that it is customary to tell other nations if you are going to be doing an ICBM/SLBM test launch. China isn't stupid enough to do this 35 miles from our shores anyway. If this was a missile launch, there would be alot of military activity from us afterward in the area. Even North Korea announces its test launches.
27 posted on 11/12/2010 7:18:53 PM PST by Husker24
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To: gandalftb
No Chinese or anyone else’s sub could ever get that close to our shore, much less launch a missile.

How soon we forget about the Chinese sub that popped up right in the middle of a US group of ships.

28 posted on 11/12/2010 7:18:57 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: cripplecreek
If the government wanted to cover it up, there would be no better way than simply claiming to have launched it themselves.

OK, but what would happen if those that actually launched it, decided to reveal proof they launched it?

lol

How bad would our government look then?

I don't know why this is so hard to believe, based on the fact we've left our borders wide open to millions, during the past 8 years of war....

29 posted on 11/12/2010 7:19:02 PM PST by dragnet2
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To: Korah

It’s not DEBKA...so hey it could be true...


30 posted on 11/12/2010 7:19:32 PM PST by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: al baby
Absolute nonsense. No Chinese or anyone else’s sub could ever get that close to our shore, much less launch a missile.

I beg to differ I think it would be real easy

If someone assigned me to do it I would start far to the
north and drift south with only enough power to provide
steerage and buoyancy control. You could be very stealthy. The hard part would be getting
the Hell out of Dodge afterword!

31 posted on 11/12/2010 7:21:40 PM PST by CrazyIvan (What's "My Struggle" in Kenyan?)
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To: justa-hairyape
How soon we forget about the Chinese sub that popped up right in the middle of a US group of ships.

Yeah I know, my son was on one of those ships.

32 posted on 11/12/2010 7:24:25 PM PST by Inyo-Mono (Had God not driven man from the Garden of Eden the Sierra Club surely would have.)
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To: Korah
What part of it made sense to you? The Examiner reporting that some conspiracist moonbat with unnamed sources claims it's a Chinese missile in addition to his other claims that Al-Qaeda is a front for the US military industrial complex and Wikileaks is a CIA operation?

This couldn't have been posted in an existing insane 'Chinese Missile' thread?

33 posted on 11/12/2010 7:24:28 PM PST by The KG9 Kid
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To: TennesseeProfessor
A fleet of anti-submarine airplanes did *not* race out of San Diego to the potential launch site. ... Does this behaviour match an unannounced missile launch by an unknown party, or does it match an optical illusion?

See my #16 he said, throwing gasoline on the fire. And to quote Dr. Strangelove, "Of course, the whole point of a Doomsday Machine is lost, if you *keep* it a *secret*! Why didn't you tell the world, EH?" And so it would be with a launch demonstration. Consider that the Chinese did the Japanese one better and got the message to the President before 1 PM Eastern on Dec 7th, taking the sneak (or secret) out of the attack (or launch), and specifically warning about the consequences of having the Pacific fleet go batchit?

Just a thought and what makes this such a terrifyingly fun discussion.

34 posted on 11/12/2010 7:24:43 PM PST by NonValueAdded (Palin 2012)
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To: gandalftb; Admin Moderator
Absolute nonsense. No Chinese or anyone else’s sub could ever get that close to our shore, much less launch a missile.

You're absolutely correct of course......more than a few FReepers have been totally embarrassing themselves (let alone this site) with their hysteria nonsense.

I've lived along this coast and long ago became accustomed to visual weirdness in the offshore coastal skies....unfortunately we've got a ton of whacked out conspiracy-theorist goofballs posting here. Really kinda sad. The mods need to knock this stuff in the head before the next FReepathon. This place could quicklike become a joke.

35 posted on 11/12/2010 7:24:43 PM PST by ErnBatavia (It's not the Obama Administration....it's the "Obama Regime".)
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To: cripplecreek

True. I live in Seattle, where we have three airports and two military fields. I see contrails all the time, but rarely, if ever, see only one, especially of such a significant nature.


36 posted on 11/12/2010 7:25:04 PM PST by irishtenor (All that I say, all that I do, is predestined.)
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To: TennesseeProfessor

This is indeed a good comment, but it dashes water upon the firestorm of conspiracies, of potential movies and also the techno-thrillers being written.

I can easily believe it was just an optical illusion but just like anti-birthers and Palin haters there is just a lot of people stuck on a theory like a pit bull with a chew toy soaked in superglue.


37 posted on 11/12/2010 7:25:08 PM PST by Eye of Unk (If your enemy is quick to anger, seek to irritate him. Sun Tzu, The Art of War.)
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To: RoseofTexas

yep... and more is yet to come after he further let all the world know how incompetent and shallow he is... as AmericaninTokoyo said: “watch for North Korea to fire one soon....” they smell blood, our blood due to this muslim...


38 posted on 11/12/2010 7:25:25 PM PST by bareford101 (Be loud! We have nothing – NOTHING - to apologize for in fighting for our Country!!)
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To: Husker24
If this was a missile launch, there would be alot of military activity from us afterward in the area.

And you expect to see that activity live on CNN ? Hey, what do you think that would be, the Invasion of Iraq :>

39 posted on 11/12/2010 7:26:22 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: Korah

It was obviously a missle. Notice how rough, or turbulent the plume was. There is little or no turbulence above 29,000 feet where contrails are formed, so they are much smoother than a rocket plume. That thing was a large rocket.


40 posted on 11/12/2010 7:26:56 PM PST by pelican001
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To: ErnBatavia
....unfortunately we've got a ton of whacked out conspiracy-theorist goofballs posting here.

There it is, right on cue.

41 posted on 11/12/2010 7:28:02 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: Inyo-Mono

Interesting! What does he say was the reaction of the fleet when that happened? Did the brown shoe Navy suddenly become the brown trowsered Navy?


42 posted on 11/12/2010 7:28:16 PM PST by NonValueAdded (Palin 2012)
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To: gandalftb
No Chinese or anyone else’s sub could ever get that close to our shore, much less launch a missile.

Why do you say that Admiral Kimmel?

43 posted on 11/12/2010 7:28:54 PM PST by Last Dakotan
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To: gandalftb
No Chinese or anyone else’s sub could ever get that close to our shore, much less launch a missile.

"No Germans will ever be able to get past my line!" - Andre Maginot
44 posted on 11/12/2010 7:30:14 PM PST by irishjuggler
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To: ErnBatavia

Like spending the day watching people step on a wet tarp at the top of a hill. Once you start down that road how do you stop? /just plain silly


45 posted on 11/12/2010 7:30:23 PM PST by badpacifist (Conservative Nut Job? Yes I have nuts and a job.)
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To: mnehring
I still vote contrail. The simplest solution is usually correct.

Sure. That chest pain is always heartburn, not a heart attack, right?

46 posted on 11/12/2010 7:30:48 PM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: CrazyIvan
The hard part would be getting the Hell out of Dodge afterword!

Probably still there.

47 posted on 11/12/2010 7:32:04 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: gandalftb
Absolute nonsense. No Chinese or anyone else’s sub could ever get that close to our shore, much less launch a missile.

Yahoo search results for “Russia” “subs” “east coast”.

48 posted on 11/12/2010 7:32:04 PM PST by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: ErnBatavia

Is there something upsetting about looking for the truth?

I want to see a timeline of events like when the 787 test aircraft had a fire, when the Carnival ship had its fire, how many people may have fried cell phones on that ship, any other vessels that had electronic damages.

Really I would love to see if any of this was connected in any remote possibility, or it just being a coincidence.


49 posted on 11/12/2010 7:33:51 PM PST by Eye of Unk (If your enemy is quick to anger, seek to irritate him. Sun Tzu, The Art of War.)
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To: gandalftb

If it were a Chinese missle, they would be crowing about it. Also, no missle travels that slowly.


50 posted on 11/12/2010 7:34:07 PM PST by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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