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NY Times columnist confirms Palin's death panels comments
The Examiner ^ | November 15, 2010 | Dr. Michael Williams

Posted on 11/15/2010 1:23:37 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

A New York Times Columnist, Paul Krugman, touched the third rail of Obamacare Sunday, while on ABC's 'This Week' when he made a statement confirming the need for 'death panels' as a means of containing health care costs (see video). Krugman is not the first person who has advocated the use of 'death panels' and yet liberals excoriated Sarah Palin for pointing out that the Obamacare bill contains what many on the left have said needed to be done.

During the discussion, which was about the Deficit Commission's recent recommendations on cutting expenses, Krugman made his statement in response to when discussion would take place concerning the commission's recommendations. He stated, 'Some years down the pike, we're going to get the real solution, which is going to be a combination of death panels and sale's taxes. Its going to be the; we're actually going to take Medicare under control and we're going to have to get some additional revenue from a VAT.'

Krugman's statement was not the first time he has suggested the use of death panels as a cost saver. He made a similar statement on 'This Week' earlier this year and the panel received his statement with laughing in affirmation that death panels would save money. The interesting thing is that he went on to say that economists that he talked to agreed that death panels would have a 'major cost saving.'

After the show, Krugman, whose byline on his blog is 'The conscience of a liberal', wrote on his blog an entry entitled 'Death Panels and Taxes' where he went into greater detail about how 'death panels and sales taxes' will and should be relied upon. He also points out this is not the first time he has said this. In an earlier opinon piece, he points out how those pushing to cut spending are meeting the efforts to control health care costs with the cries of 'death panels.'

Krugman is not the first liberal to call for death panels. Robert Reich, a very liberal former Labor Secretary under Bill Clinton who is now an economics adviser for Barack Obama, made a more bold statement concerning the same when he gave a speech on September 26th, 2007 at U.C. Berkley. In it he said, 'We're going to have to, if you're very old, we're not going to give you all that technology and all those drugs for the last couple of years of your life to keep you maybe going for another couple of months. It's too expensive...so we're going to let you die.' His statement was frighteningly received with applause and cheers from the U.C. Berkley crowd of mostly students.

For those who think it would never come to this or that only limited applications of this thinking could apply, one only has to look at Europe as to what can happen when amoralists adopt death as a way to save money. Conditions used to justify killing of infants such as spina bifida, which many people live with and have productive lives, is legal in the Netherlands. Some, such as John Harris, a member of the official Human Genetics Commission and professor of bioethics at Manchester University in the UK, are even suggesting that because abortion is legal, what should stop the killing of a child just because they are on the other end of the birth canal.

How can some call health care a 'right,' then laugh about how using 'death panels' to eliminate a living person's right to live and receive their health care 'rights' to sustain their life in order to save money? The answer is simple, when liberals elevate state sanctioned privileges to that which our Creator has defined as rights, then real rights are no longer safe when money gets tight.

Finally, while people can debate the ways to reduce health care costs, the left should never again ever refer to anyone as making money 'on the backs of the poor' when what they are advocating is the literal 'stabbing in the backs of the poor' to save money. The bigger debate that needs to take place is how America sold it soul to evil can even think that a solution to saving money is to tell old people to just die.


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Government; Health/Medicine; Politics
KEYWORDS: 2008electionbias; deathpanels; ferretface; freepressforpalin; obama; obamacare; palin; paulkrugman; vindication; waronerror
Just like Nazi Germany.
1 posted on 11/15/2010 1:23:44 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Just like Rush said today...”People will be viewed as dimes and quarters”.


2 posted on 11/15/2010 1:31:56 PM PST by albie
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Has he gotten a do-over yet by sending out a “spokesman” to “clarify his position” by explaining that he “mispoke” or that “his statements were taken out of context” ?


3 posted on 11/15/2010 1:33:47 PM PST by Steely Tom (Obama goes on long after the thrill of Obama is gone)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Then cigarettes can fix the deficit too.


4 posted on 11/15/2010 1:35:02 PM PST by DManA
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To: dayglored; Vinnie; mojo114; Jane Long; ThreePuttinDude; abigail2; Jen; NordP; pollywog; LADY J; ...
FYI to SARAH PALIN'S PING LIST

No refudiating "Obama's Death Panels"


5 posted on 11/15/2010 1:42:17 PM PST by onyx (If you truly support Sarah Palin and want on her busy ping list, let me know!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

As Glenn Beck said recently ... the progressives know their time is coming to an end. They will likely accelerate their agenda because it is now or never. They’ve been exposed.


6 posted on 11/15/2010 1:43:29 PM PST by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind.)
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To: BuckeyeTexan
Accelerate their agenda, eh? Is it 1933 all over again?


7 posted on 11/15/2010 1:46:15 PM PST by Hoodat ( .For the weapons of our warfare are mighty in God for pulling down strongholds.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

THE DEATH PANELS BEGIN IN THE STIMULUS BILL

Obamacare and Taxes: The Final Tab (ATR.org)
link

Not to be forgotten, this part of the Stimulus bill that CONTROLs doctors has to be removed too!

Dr. David Janda explains rationing and why
Link

Obamacare Endgame: Doctors Will be Fined or Jailed if they Put Patients First by Dr. Elaina George
LINK

Ruin Your Health With the Obama Stimulus Plan
LINK

Federal Coordinating Council for Comparative Effectiveness Research Membership Recovery Act Allocates $1.1 Billion for Comparative Effectiveness Research
LINK

OBAMACARE’S LETHAL THIRD RAIL SHOCK TO COME
LINK

202-224-6121 DeMint
202-225-3021 Pence
202-225-6205 Boehner
202-225-2331 Bachmann

8 posted on 11/15/2010 1:49:06 PM PST by GailA (obamacare paid for by cuts & taxes on most vulnerable Veterans, retired Military, disabled & Seniors)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Just like Nazi Germany Yes it is..
9 posted on 11/15/2010 1:51:47 PM PST by ColdOne (Repeal HealthCare......NO COMPROMISE.......ever!)
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To: onyx

When they come for me they will hear the battle cry, “DON’T TOUCH MY JUNK”.


10 posted on 11/15/2010 1:52:35 PM PST by Gator113 ("Don't touch my junk......")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This piece is horribly written. It’s hard to take seriously.


11 posted on 11/15/2010 1:52:35 PM PST by Chunga (The Democratic Party Is A Criminal Enterprise)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Just a note to those so-called "elites" who may sit on MY Death Panel:

When you decide that I should be terminated -
I'm coming after YOU! And Hell's Coming with me!

12 posted on 11/15/2010 1:54:07 PM PST by The Sons of Liberty (Psalm 109:8 Let his days be few and let another take his office. - Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
It's too expensive...so we're going to let you die.' His statement was frighteningly received with applause and cheers from the U.C. Berkley crowd of mostly students.

Let's see how they feel in about 50 years.

13 posted on 11/15/2010 1:55:19 PM PST by Vinnie (You're Nobody 'Til Somebody Jihads You)
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To: BuckeyeTexan
Yep, they're exposed, now they have to be removed from power and this monstrous obamacare crushed, defunded and ultimately repealed.
14 posted on 11/15/2010 1:55:19 PM PST by onyx (If you truly support Sarah Palin and want on her busy ping list, let me know!)
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To: Steely Tom
Has he gotten a do-over yet by sending out a “spokesman” to “clarify his position” by explaining that he “mispoke” or that “his statements were taken out of context” ?

On the radio show where they were just discussing this, they say Krugman released a 'clarifying' comment on Krugman's blog. My browser is acting weird but you might check there.

15 posted on 11/15/2010 1:55:27 PM PST by Darkwolf377 ( Mm, your tears are so yummy and sweet!Oh, the tears of unfathomable sadness! Mm-yummy! --E. Cartman)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vbduo4fHANA&feature=related


16 posted on 11/15/2010 1:57:09 PM PST by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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To: Gator113
I believe you!


17 posted on 11/15/2010 1:58:11 PM PST by onyx (If you truly support Sarah Palin and want on her busy ping list, let me know!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

bump


18 posted on 11/15/2010 2:02:49 PM PST by God luvs America (When the silent majority speaks the earth trembles!)
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To: Darkwolf377
...they say Krugman released a 'clarifying' comment on Krugman's blog.

Yeah, he has something there. I'm not sure about copyright issues, so I'll not copy it here. Here's a link, you have to go down the heading "Death Panels and Sales Taxes."

He says he was talking about something, but "not really death panels, of course." He also says he's "said this before," implying that we weren't paying attention, and if we aren't going to pay attention to what he says, we shouldn't complain when we misunderstand him when he goes on television and states that what needs to happen is exactly what Sarah Palin has said will need to happen, only she was vilified for what she said.

19 posted on 11/15/2010 2:03:52 PM PST by Steely Tom (Obama goes on long after the thrill of Obama is gone)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Next up for boomers - Soylent green!!!


20 posted on 11/15/2010 2:05:16 PM PST by DustyMoment (Go green - recycle Congress in 2012!!)
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To: GailA
Good pic. As I've said before, they better Repeal this crazy bill or we're going to lose about half our Doctors. Now this 23% Medicare cut is going to hit on December 1st. More info Here.
21 posted on 11/15/2010 2:11:16 PM PST by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only hope for Western Civilization.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Don’t blame Krugman.

Death Panels and the thugs that will carry out their wishes are natural and unavoidable consequences of government health care.

The math can never work and the resultant “sacrifices” are a foregone conclusion.


22 posted on 11/15/2010 2:12:18 PM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: Steely Tom

Palin was right, the left was wrong. People who were genuinely intelligent and honorable would admit this. The leftists will do no such thing, and instead will hate her even more.

I think of this kind of behavior whenever I read another “We’re the reality-based party” screed by someone on the Huffington Post.

“He says he was talking about something, but “not really death panels, of course.”

He was against made-up death panels before he was for made-up death panels, but they’re made-up, so he’s still right. Or something.


23 posted on 11/15/2010 2:16:47 PM PST by Darkwolf377 ( Mm, your tears are so yummy and sweet!Oh, the tears of unfathomable sadness! Mm-yummy! --E. Cartman)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

24 posted on 11/15/2010 2:28:39 PM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: The Sons of Liberty

Have you read “Unintended Consequences”?


25 posted on 11/15/2010 2:32:40 PM PST by hattend (The meaning of the 2010 election was rebuke, reject, and repeal. - Sarah Palin)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The American Taxpayer will put a VAT on the politician and a Death Panel on the Politicians. Tell your politician in DC and a the state level, either put the needs of its constituent first and take a pay cut to 50,000.00 and cut their lifetime benefits or they too will face a death panel and a Value Add Tax on their jobs - term limits and 100%taxation on the money that they recive from Lobbyists. I strongly believe they will get the picture. Nancy Pelosi needs to reimburse the American people for evrything she spent foolishy on - airplane trips for family bottled water, flowers fresh every day. Enough of the caca in DC.


26 posted on 11/15/2010 2:35:39 PM PST by hondact200 ( Lincoln Freed the Enslaved. Obama Enslaves the Free. Obama is Americas Greatest Threat)
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To: DustyMoment
Next up for boomers - Soylent green!!!

LOL, I remember seeing Soylent Green in 73 when it came out and it gave me the creepy-crawlies. I still remember, "Here come the scoops!" I also remember thinking if things ever got tyrannical commie-crazy that something like that could happen. Well, . . .

27 posted on 11/15/2010 2:38:02 PM PST by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only hope for Western Civilization.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I wouldn't be surprised if you get future adults believing in euthanasia after the way their grand parents and parents spent like crack addicts in the government.
28 posted on 11/15/2010 2:45:30 PM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: DustyMoment

Want to know how death panels would function? Just watch the TSA “screen” passengers.


29 posted on 11/15/2010 2:58:27 PM PST by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind.)
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To: Art in Idaho

This is the temp ‘doc fix’ that congress did before they ran off to get either dumped or re-elected. It just stopped the 21% cut already in effect and gave a temp increase of 2% until Dec 1.

BUT Beginning Jan 1, an additional 10% decrease starts...with another 10% in 1012, and another 10% in 2013...30% altogether on top of the 23%, if simple math is correct that’s a 53% cut...COMPLETE GUT of Medicare.

According to the WSJ there is a $8+ TRILLION gut over 20 years to Medicare.

How ObamaCare Guts Medicare
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703649004575437311393854940.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEFTTopOpinion


30 posted on 11/15/2010 3:08:34 PM PST by GailA (obamacare paid for by cuts & taxes on most vulnerable Veterans, retired Military, disabled & Seniors)
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To: Art in Idaho
they better Repeal this crazy bill or we're going to lose about half our Doctors

My Doctor of 30 years got out of the business because of Obamcare. I really like him too.

31 posted on 11/15/2010 3:11:52 PM PST by RedMDer (Forward With Confidence!)
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To: onyx
Krugman made his statement in response to when discussion would take place concerning the commission's recommendations. He stated, 'Some years down the pike, we're going to get the real solution, which is going to be a combination of death panels and sale's taxes.

Does Krugman think he'll escape the death panels??

It's disgraceful that Sarah was criticized so much for mentioning death panels.

32 posted on 11/15/2010 3:12:16 PM PST by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: onyx

33 posted on 11/15/2010 3:16:35 PM PST by RedMDer (Forward With Confidence!)
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To: GailA
Wow, didn't know that. It's a complete Gut of Medicare. ObamaCare Has to be repealed!
34 posted on 11/15/2010 3:17:16 PM PST by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only hope for Western Civilization.)
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To: Chunga

It’s serious. I encourage everyone to read more about Euro style “health care” systems. In most places they have shortages of doctors and equipment, and waiting lists like they do here in Canada. In many places like Britain they can deny you certain treatments based on age and weight. In some places, like the Netherlands, they practice euthanasia. Socialism inevitably leads to euthanasia, forced abortion and labor camps. FACT


35 posted on 11/15/2010 3:19:38 PM PST by trappedincanuckistan (livefreeordietryin)
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To: The Sons of Liberty
Just a note to those so-called "elites" who may sit on MY Death Panel: When you decide that I should be terminated - I'm coming after YOU! And Hell's Coming with me!

I fully agree with that.

36 posted on 11/15/2010 3:21:48 PM PST by TribalPrincess2U (demonicRATS= Obama's Mosque, taxes, painful death. Is this what you want?)
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To: Art in Idaho

Doctors limit new Medicare patients
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2010-06-20-medicare_N.htm?csp=obnetwork

AMMO LIST to bookmark
Obama’s WAR ON SENIORS & Business
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2613747/posts?page=3


37 posted on 11/15/2010 3:37:53 PM PST by GailA (obamacare paid for by cuts & taxes on most vulnerable Veterans, retired Military, disabled & Seniors)
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To: trappedincanuckistan

I take the information seriously because I know that the sources quoted in the article are valid. The writer of the article will have a hard time convincing some readers...he needs an editor.


38 posted on 11/15/2010 3:39:02 PM PST by Chunga (The Democratic Party Is A Criminal Enterprise)
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To: onyx; All
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39 posted on 11/15/2010 3:51:40 PM PST by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The "Death Panels" were in the Stimulus Bill.

Ruin Your Health With the Obama Stimulus Plan: Betsy McCaughey - February 9, 2009

40 posted on 11/15/2010 3:52:29 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: RedMDer

That’s right and it’s a matter of life and death. Literally!


41 posted on 11/15/2010 4:18:49 PM PST by onyx (If you truly support Sarah Palin and want on her busy ping list, let me know!)
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To: Fiddlstix

LOL. I thought you might have it rigged to the song “Bits and Pieces.” ...


42 posted on 11/15/2010 4:22:29 PM PST by onyx (If you truly support Sarah Palin and want on her busy ping list, let me know!)
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To: onyx
Hmmmm.....
I didn't think of that.....
I did that one to post on the 'thon threads back when we were all concerned about stopping congress from passing 0bamacareless
43 posted on 11/15/2010 4:27:31 PM PST by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: onyx

Sarah was right, once again, and ahead of the curve.


44 posted on 11/15/2010 9:23:25 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Palin is supposed to be some sort of doofus, but she has the gift of being able to perfectly capture a concept in one unforgettable phrase. And without a team of speechwriters and a Teleprompter.


45 posted on 11/15/2010 9:33:44 PM PST by denydenydeny (Power always thinks it has a great soul and vast views, beyond the comprehension of the weak-Adams)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; wagglebee; P-Marlowe

Any politician who doesn’t have the Right to Life correct will easily go for death panels.

Life is the ultimate right. Without life, no other rights apply.

Sarah Palin knowlingly birthed her Down Syndrome baby and says she stands for Life. Her actions speak the truth.

She IS imminently qualified to be president. Those who would kill off their babies and elderly are not. They must be stopped in their tracks.

Fox News running of 12 “conservatives” contending for the office of the presidency is not helpful. It is more of the “divide and conquer” approach to putting a moderate in charge.

Conservatives must unite behind one candidate and not waver. We MUST also somehow allow moderates and liberals to divide their own vote during the primaries, so that their candidates are knocked out by divided voters.


46 posted on 11/16/2010 2:41:27 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain & proud of it: Truly Supporting the Troops means praying for their Victory!)
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