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Michael Vickís Stats Canít Hide The Monster Within
Grand Rants ^ | 11/19/10 | Gerry Ashley

Posted on 11/19/2010 8:05:17 AM PST by BigChiefLtd

For a long time, it has been the opinion of all three writers here at Grand Rants that Pro Sports, like the entertainment world in general, is emblematic of all that is wrong with American Society: Greed, avarice, and the absolute willingness to rush headlong towards the lowest common denominator in society and cling to it as if it were an enviable aspiration. We Americans have come to embrace hype over substance and are willing to look the other way at any and all behavior, no matter how abhorrent, as long as the person is good-looking or famous. Nothing illustrates this so well as the media and public response to celebrities and professional athletes...and, as a society, we’re too damned stupid to even understand what, exactly, we’re missing.

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The sports world is fawning over Philadelphia Eagles' quarterback Michael Vick's amazing stats on the November 15th game against the Washington Redskins.

I'll pass.

He may be a great athlete, but he's also (in the opinion of many) a psychopath. And there is ample evidence to suggest that psychopaths are never really "cured" because experts agree there is no way to really treat the illness. Read how America's descent into acceptance of horrific behavior by those lucky enough to be famous, attractive or superb athletes marks what could well be the downfall of our society in general.

1 posted on 11/19/2010 8:05:22 AM PST by BigChiefLtd
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To: BigChiefLtd

The NFL will continue hiring lowlifes as long as the fans pay to watch them.


2 posted on 11/19/2010 8:06:46 AM PST by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: BigChiefLtd

I’m hoping for a career ending broken leg on Sunday.


3 posted on 11/19/2010 8:09:01 AM PST by ZX12R (IMPEACH OBAMA NOW!)
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To: BigChiefLtd

He paid in full for his stupidity.
That’s enough.


4 posted on 11/19/2010 8:09:15 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (Impeachment !)
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To: BigChiefLtd
If you don't believe in repentance, you can't be a Christian.

I don't know what's in Mike Vick's heart, but I'll take him at his word that he regrets what he did--and not just because it cost him a boatload of money.

He made the sign of the cross after throwing a TD last week, btw, for what it's worth.

I have a lot more respect for Vick than for Tiger Woods who seems completely unrepentant.
5 posted on 11/19/2010 8:13:08 AM PST by Antoninus (Fair warning: If Romney's the GOP nominee in 2012, I'm looking for a new party.)
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To: pnh102

You’re absolutely right. And the problem is, idiots like Philadelphia Eagles fans show just how little class they have when they welcome him with open arms simply because he wins football games. There’s plenty of talented “Michael Vicks” out there who don’t obtain a sick pleasure out of seeing dogs forced into situations where it’s “Maul or BE mauled.” No, the beer-guzzling slobs who worship the Eagles are a bunch of idiots who conveniently look past the behavior of a psychopath as long as he’s scoring touchdowns. At least the other teams (and fans) had the clas to say, “No thanks... not interested.”

And to those who think I’m over-reacting to Vick’s past, do a little homework for once in your lives and study up on psychopaths, their behavior and the fact that there is no known CURE for it. Then take a look at the photos of some of the horrific aftermath of dog fights.

To those of you who DO have standards, please KEEP THEM and DEMAND that same level from the people you look up to as well as celebrities, sports figures and politicians. It’s the ONLY way America will ever be able to raise it’s level of society back to where it once was. There will always be clueless low-lives who admire and “respect” trash like Michael Vick, OJ Simpson and the like. However, the rest of society can (and should) look down upon these scumbags and label them for what they truly are.


6 posted on 11/19/2010 8:15:34 AM PST by BigChiefLtd (They said the Titanic couldn't sink too...)
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To: BigChiefLtd

Vick served his time. Part of the American system of justice is that you get to move on in your life after you’ve served your time. That includes getting jobs and earning money. That’s not just something for famous people, non-famous people get to have jobs after they get out of prison too. I don’t think America has “accepted” the behavior, we’ve simply moved on, his arrest was 3 years ago, he’s playing well now. Humans tend to be about now, not 3 years ago, it’s a survival instinct thing.

And his play shows a lot of changes in him off the field. He’s able to read defenses now, which means he’s actually studying film, something he never did before. I don’t know what other changes he’s gone through, but at least as a player he’s not the same Vick he was 3 years ago.


7 posted on 11/19/2010 8:15:48 AM PST by discostu (Keyser Soze lives)
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To: BigChiefLtd

Yep, and girls kicked off the cheer-leading teams in HS because they won’t cheer the player convicted of raping them.

We MUST have our sports heroes no matter the cost.


8 posted on 11/19/2010 8:18:02 AM PST by Irenic
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To: BigChiefLtd

Dogs aren’t people. Time to move on.


9 posted on 11/19/2010 8:25:56 AM PST by Nonstatist
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To: BigChiefLtd
No, the beer-guzzling slobs who worship the Eagles are a bunch of idiots who conveniently look past the behavior of a psychopath as long as he’s scoring touchdowns.

You have quite nicely caputred the essence of the Philadelphia sports fan. Bravo!

10 posted on 11/19/2010 8:27:20 AM PST by frithguild (The Democrat Party Brand - Big Government protecting Entrenched Interests from Competition)
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To: BigChiefLtd
And there is ample evidence to suggest that psychopaths are never really "cured"

they just move to Philadelphia.

11 posted on 11/19/2010 8:27:28 AM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: BigChiefLtd

He harmed animals; not people. Aborting one baby is a thousand times worse than what Vick did.


12 posted on 11/19/2010 8:32:35 AM PST by HereInTheHeartland (Vote like Obama is on the ballot)
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To: Nonstatist

Glad someone said that.


13 posted on 11/19/2010 8:32:50 AM PST by Codeflier (Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama - 4 democrat presidents in a row and counting...)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
Would he be hired as a computer operator?..lol. Yes, he would if that was his career.

Vick fan here. He paid his dept, now let him earn his living.

14 posted on 11/19/2010 8:35:59 AM PST by fml
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To: Antoninus

Sorry, Antoninus, but who the hell are YOU lecture or judge ME regarding repentance? First of all, I absolutely DO believe in repentance. I’m just not a gullible little dipstick who assumes that just because someone who gets caught committing a horrific crime, he suddenly gets religion and Christ automatically takes over his life.

Tell me: What evidence do you have of any real repentance on the part of Michael Vick? A single statement saying he’s sorry doesn’t hack it. Of course he is going to say that... HE GOT CAUGHT. AND IT COST HIM TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.

It’s not about a sudden development of character, Antoninus. It’s about LACK of it... and his sudden loss of untold millions of dollars.

Did you expect him to say, “I promise not to get caught next time?”

Don’t be so naive, Antonius. He lost TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS when he was arrested. And the potential to earn hundreds of millions more in endorsements over the coming years. What do you think the real motivation is for his lawyer-written “mea culpa?” Do you think it was some sort of epiphany over the torture he imposed on ALL his dogs, regardles of whether they won or lost? If you honestly believe THAT’S what it’s about, you have to be one of the most gullible people walking the planet. It’s all about the dead presidents (money), my friend, and the sooner you learn that the better off you will be.

Forgiveness? That’s between Vick and Jesus Christ. Only God knows what’s really in Vick’s heart. As for me, sure... I’ll forgive Vick... just as soon as those dogs who were tortured and killed by him and his goonsquad are able to be resurrected, and live the playful, normal life God intended for them to have.

Notice that now he’s back in the limelight, it’s all about “him” and no more is being mentioned about the dogs he killed. If he was seriosly remorseful, he’d take some of the millions he’s making again and set up an anuity to benefit the Humane Society. He’s not doing that. It’s back to being “Prime Time Superstar.” And it’s all about him again.

In the meantime, I don’t wish any injury on Vick like a previous poster wrote. But I’ll settle for whatever negative Karma comes his way... Like a 350 pound tackle who is a dog lover.


15 posted on 11/19/2010 8:36:31 AM PST by BigChiefLtd (They said the Titanic couldn't sink too...)
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To: BigChiefLtd

16 posted on 11/19/2010 8:37:23 AM PST by Hoodat ( Don't touch my junk, Bro !)
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To: BigChiefLtd
And there is ample evidence to suggest that psychopaths are never really "cured" because experts agree there is no way to really treat the illness.

**********

Micheal is still on his journey...
--And he readily admits he still has a ways to go...

Vick can't "undo" those things...
--But he has also paid the debt sentenced for his criminal behavior...

No one is discounting the egregious cruelty to animals and twisted outlook on life that permits a man to perform such gross acts...

YET--It appears he has certainly turned a lot of personally redemptive corners in the last year..

I am not sure who these "experts" are--
....Or what is the definitive-objective-scientific proof that someone here is a "psychopath"...
And the someone over there is not a "psychopath".

...because "experts" agree--
--Might be "science" at some point...
---Might be loose consensus of professional opinion...
---Might be just "group-think" with a bully pulpit.

However--- with the strict behavioral accountabilities in place for his personal and ethical probation (at the behest of the NFL)...

--And the mandatory assignment for mentoring and spiritual leadership of someone as mature and wise as Tony Dungy (and others who have contributed to Vick's growth and progress)...

It seems to me that Michael Vick may be finally growing up, trusting God to help him along the way -- every day--
--And leaving his horrendous sins behind him.

I know firsthand that if a man cries out to God with a broken and sincere heart- to be delivered from his own selfish and evil ways--

God will hear...
God will answer...
And the heart, mind, and intentions do change for the better...

And if the Lord will do that for me...
---26 years ago and counting.....

God will do that same good work for anyone who asks.
---even Michael Vick...

Finally...

God has forgiven your sins and mine...
And Micheal's sins also....

And we are called to forgive one another...

Maybe it's time we considered forgiving this young man for the worst behavior in his life....

And wish him success moving forward...
--personally and professionally...

Have a nice day.

17 posted on 11/19/2010 8:40:26 AM PST by Wings-n-Wind (The main things are the plain things!)
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To: Nonstatist

I agree, I never really understood why people hate the guy so much. America bans a lot of activities where the execution of such doesn’t violate anyones rights but while they may disapprove of them, its rare that people hate those that engage in them.

I grew up in an area where cockfighting was perfectly legal until recently. I went to see the fights on occasion and even placed a bet from time. Doesn’t make me or anyone else there a psychopath (unless you have some strange morality system that not only gives animals rights but gives dogs more of them).


18 posted on 11/19/2010 8:40:38 AM PST by Raymann
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To: BigChiefLtd
"As for me, sure... I’ll forgive Vick... just as soon as those dogs who were tortured and killed by him and his goonsquad are able to be resurrected, and live the playful, normal life God intended for them to have.

So, what's your take on abortion?

How do you view those women who have had an abortion?

What about the fathers of the babies?

How about the doctors, nurses, receptionists & janitors who work killing these babies?

What about the judges, lawyers & legislators who have made this wholesale murder "legal"?

19 posted on 11/19/2010 8:45:45 AM PST by BwanaNdege ("a comeuppance is due the arrogant elites" - Charles Krauthammer)
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To: discostu

When Michael Vick hobbled off the field clutching his shoulder, unable to perform in a losing effort to the Redskins in their first match... in Michael Vick’s world, Andy Reid would have taken Vick out back, strung him up by his leash and put a bullet in his head.

Michael Vick got a second chance. His dog’s didn’t. Enjoy your hero.


20 posted on 11/19/2010 8:49:43 AM PST by Hatteras
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To: Hoodat

LOL!


21 posted on 11/19/2010 8:50:39 AM PST by cweese (Hook 'em Horns!!!)
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To: BigChiefLtd

Like actors, sports figures are neither heroes nor saints.


22 posted on 11/19/2010 8:51:35 AM PST by Rockingham
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To: Antoninus
If you don't believe in repentance, you can't be a Christian.

I don't know what's in Mike Vick's heart, but I'll take him at his word that he regrets what he did--and not just because it cost him a boatload of money.

I believe in repentance--I just don't believe Vick. It's not about "something Vick did". It's about "what kind of person can continually do what Vick did?" I'll tell you what kind--an evil sadistic psychopath.

I remember seeing him give an interview (60 Minutes, maybe?) in which he said he cried in prison. The interviewer asked why he cried, and the dog-killer said "you know..'bout what I did..and puttin' my fambly though all dis..."

He should have said "I cried when I saw what a horrible person I was". And all you "it was only dogs, get over it" types don't get it either. The fact that he preyed upon lesser animals simply shows the depth of his depravity.

It would be one thing if he was just an average guy doing an average job. But it is wrong to put a guy like dog-killer Vick in a position where he represents a home town. If any team I root for hired that monster the team would be as dead to me.

23 posted on 11/19/2010 8:52:20 AM PST by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: BigChiefLtd

Psssst...all humans are psychopaths. Christ was killed by psychopaths and died for all us psychopaths. At best, all Christians are “recovering psychopaths”....we have no life and hope except that which God bestows on all of us.

“For the heart is desparately wicked; who can know it”

Sounds like psychopathology to me!


24 posted on 11/19/2010 8:53:14 AM PST by mdmathis6 (True enlightenment occurs when one discovers just how much like God, one is NOT!)
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To: BigChiefLtd

Why would you think a normal joe who loses his job because he goes to prison, couldn’t get their old job back, or another job somewhere, once they had served their time?

Do you think that everybody who cmmits a crime should be on welfare the rest of their lives?

By complaining about Vick getting an NFL job, you are really playing right into the “sports people are special, so they should have special rules” meme that you seemed to be upset about.

The guy did a crime, he did the time, if he stays clean now, he has a right to make a living.


25 posted on 11/19/2010 8:55:05 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Hatteras

I never said he’s a hero. He’s an athlete, there’s a difference. He’s not even on my favorite team.

But anybody that thinks this kind of forgiveness is unique to sports needs to look up Operation Paperclip. The fact is only religious leaders get paid to be moral, anybody else will have their sins forgiven so long as they can continue to perform. That’s the way it’s always been, that’s the way it’s always going to be.


26 posted on 11/19/2010 8:55:57 AM PST by discostu (Keyser Soze lives)
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To: Nonstatist

How many serial killers started with animals?


27 posted on 11/19/2010 9:01:03 AM PST by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: Hatteras

1 “Do not judge so that you will not be judged. 2 “For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you. 3 “Why do you look at the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? 4 “Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ and behold, the log is in your own eye? 5 “You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye.
6 “Do not give what is holy to dogs, and do not throw your pearls before swine, or they will trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces.

Matthew 7:1-6


28 posted on 11/19/2010 9:02:04 AM PST by old school
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To: BigChiefLtd
I'm a dog lover. I'll admit it right up front. Our bullmastiff Sampson died when our son was 6 months old. Telling my parents was the worst phone call of my life, and I pray to God that it will remain the worst phone call of my life.

What disturbs me about this is the sociopathic way the dogs were killed. If they wanted to get rid of the dogs, put a bullet in each dog's head and be done with it. Electrocution? Drowning? Those who did this need checkups from the necks up. If they did this to dogs, what have they done and/or what will they do to humans?

29 posted on 11/19/2010 9:06:39 AM PST by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

***He paid in full for his stupidity.
That’s enough.***

No, he didn’t. You can never, EVER, pay for the pain deliberately committed on any innocent and helpless creature. If Vics had gone to jail for life, the pain would still have been there for his victims. And when you impress youngsters with your physical skills, you have double the responsibility to be a good influence.


30 posted on 11/19/2010 9:09:12 AM PST by kitkat ( Obama didn't say Hope and Change, he said Hype and Chains.)
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To: Raymann
"Doesn’t make me or anyone else there a psychopath"

...to you and your fellow cockfighting enthusiasts maybe. Did you really enjoyed watching two really pissed off birds slicing each other to pieces? Because, to the majority, that is pretty twisted. People that enjoy pitting two of any species against each other, be it roosters, dogs or human beings in a boxing or MMA(?) ring or gladiator forum, where the goal is to inflict physical damage on each other... that's not sane, my friend. That is twisted. If somebody gets any measure of joy out of it, that person has issues. IMHO, of course.

31 posted on 11/19/2010 9:13:56 AM PST by Hatteras
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To: kitkat

The self-appointed arbiters of justice see themselves as wiser than the rest of us and would rather kiss a dog than show another human being love.


32 posted on 11/19/2010 9:15:29 AM PST by old school
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To: HereInTheHeartland

***He harmed animals; not people. Aborting one baby is a thousand times worse than what Vick did.***

You are absolutely right, but that’s like saying that I’m not going to have an abortion, so I have the right to torture dogs. There’s no right to do either.


33 posted on 11/19/2010 9:15:41 AM PST by kitkat ( Obama didn't say Hope and Change, he said Hype and Chains.)
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To: fml

‘zackly.
I don’t know what drove him to kill dogs but he paid dearly for it.


34 posted on 11/19/2010 9:15:43 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (Impeachment !)
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To: kitkat
I am just always surprised at the difference in how people view animal treatment vs human treatment.

It seems like people view humans and animals on the same plane, which is very very wrong.

35 posted on 11/19/2010 9:25:10 AM PST by HereInTheHeartland (Vote like Obama is on the ballot)
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To: pnh102

Follow the $$$...ALWAYS follow the $$$


36 posted on 11/19/2010 9:29:17 AM PST by cubreporter ( Trust Rush and you won't go wrong.)
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To: BigChiefLtd

I’ve never looked up to any celebrity, sports person OR politician in my entire life. There has never been any of them that would be worthy of my LOOKING UP to them.

While I may like, respect and enjoy one person or another I have looked up to only three people in my entire life. My parents and my husband. They were WORTHY.

The rest are just plain people to me. Not impressed by any of them...


37 posted on 11/19/2010 9:32:13 AM PST by cubreporter ( Trust Rush and you won't go wrong.)
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To: old school

***The self-appointed arbiters of justice see themselves as wiser than the rest of us and would rather kiss a dog than show another human being love.***

To paraphrase your statement: The self-appointed arbiters of justice would rather heap honor on one who has deliberately caused grievous pain to helpless animals in order to make money, than show love for all of God’s creatures.


38 posted on 11/19/2010 9:36:02 AM PST by kitkat ( Obama didn't say Hope and Change, he said Hype and Chains.)
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To: HereInTheHeartland

I don’t think it is wrong. Why can’t we view people and animals the same way and treat them both with kindness and love instead of abortion and cruelty? Sounds simple enough to me. They both deserve the same kind treatment we all want for ourselves.


39 posted on 11/19/2010 9:36:26 AM PST by cubreporter ( Trust Rush and you won't go wrong.)
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To: HereInTheHeartland

***It seems like people view humans and animals on the same plane, which is very very wrong. ***

I don’t view people and humans on the same plane, that’s ridiculous. But I don’t believe it’s right to torture either.


40 posted on 11/19/2010 9:39:35 AM PST by kitkat ( Obama didn't say Hope and Change, he said Hype and Chains.)
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To: BigChiefLtd

And let’s not forget that whole “Ron Mexico” thing.


41 posted on 11/19/2010 9:41:07 AM PST by dfwgator (Texas Rangers -Thanks for a great season.)
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To: BigChiefLtd
There’s plenty of talented “Michael Vicks” out there who don’t obtain a sick pleasure out of seeing dogs forced into situations where it’s “Maul or BE mauled.”

If you are suggesting that there are a lot of people with the physical gifts and sheer talent as Michael Vick you are crazy. The reason Michael Vick got a 2nd chance in the NFL is that he is an extremely rare commodity -- probably unique in terms of his capability mix.

Vick paid the price. While we can argue over the sincerity of his repentance, there is pretty much zero chance that he will repeat as a dog-fighting aficionado.

42 posted on 11/19/2010 9:41:39 AM PST by Tallguy (Received a fine from the NFL for a helmet-to-helmet hit.)
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To: Nonstatist
Dogs aren’t people. Time to move on.

True, you can't give dogs Herpes.

43 posted on 11/19/2010 9:42:12 AM PST by dfwgator (Texas Rangers -Thanks for a great season.)
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To: BigChiefLtd

Are you a Redskins fan by any chance?


44 posted on 11/19/2010 9:46:37 AM PST by Fresh Wind
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To: BigChiefLtd
A single statement saying he’s sorry doesn’t hack it. Of course he is going to say that... HE GOT CAUGHT. AND IT COST HIM TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.

Follow Vick around. He is under orders to speak before groups of so-called at-risk youths about what he did, and generally about being a good citizen. This was mandated by the league as part of his re-admittance and the Eagles are charged with enforcing it.

No if ESPN doesn't cover it, and the sports page makes no mention of it, I guess it didn't happen???

You don't like what Vick did... fine. Say your piece. I happen to be an Eagles fan and I don't appreciate being painted with your broad-brush. Stow it.

45 posted on 11/19/2010 9:47:10 AM PST by Tallguy (Received a fine from the NFL for a helmet-to-helmet hit.)
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To: kitkat

Someone stated, previously, that we’re all sinners and that no one sin is greater than another. You don’t even have to believe in God to acknowledge that we’ve all done something that was unjust. I’ve owned working dogs all of my life and I’ve been a sports fan as well but I’ve never elevated either to the level of worship!


46 posted on 11/19/2010 9:51:48 AM PST by old school
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To: cubreporter
“Why can’t we view people and animals the same way “

A human is infinitely more valuable than an animal. But there is no reason to exhibit cruelty to animals either.

47 posted on 11/19/2010 10:21:18 AM PST by HereInTheHeartland (Vote like Obama is on the ballot)
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To: Irenic

The accused in Texas was not convicted of rape. He plead to an assualt. She was removed from the squad because she would not follow instructions to cheer for the entire team. It is pretty silly for the school to do what it did, but it was within their rights.

Vick served his time and the commisioner (who I dont like) let him back in. We are all free to still not like Vick, but the reality is, he is back, and he is playing insane football.


48 posted on 11/19/2010 12:07:45 PM PST by Raider Sam (They're on our left, right, front, and back. They aint gettin away this time!)
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To: goodwithagun
How many serial killers started with animals?

How many people involved with dog fighting as sport went on to kill people? 3 or 4 ?

49 posted on 11/19/2010 12:54:37 PM PST by Nonstatist
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To: HereInTheHeartland
He harmed animals; not people. Aborting one baby is a thousand times worse than what Vick did.

So, the 'mother' who aborted should be executed for murder-right?

50 posted on 11/19/2010 2:04:42 PM PST by fortheDeclaration (When the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn (Pr.29:2))
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