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Obama Isnít Carter, He Is Nixon
Shout Bits Blog ^ | 11/22/2010 | Shout Bits

Posted on 11/22/2010 10:26:37 AM PST by Shout Bits

Pres. Obama’s detractors in the media compare him to Pres. Carter, whose watch included economic malaise, foreign policy failures, and leftist politics, but Obama’s attitudes and policies are closer to Pres. Nixon. From enemy lists in the media, to manipulating the legal system, to attempting to half win / half exit a war, to disastrous monetary policy, Obama is Nixon part II. . .

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TOPICS: Politics
KEYWORDS: keynes; nixon; obama

1 posted on 11/22/2010 10:26:44 AM PST by Shout Bits
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To: Shout Bits

Totally insulting to Nixon. Nixon at the very least loved the USA... and he helped save Israel during the 1973 War.


2 posted on 11/22/2010 10:30:16 AM PST by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: pnh102

Exactly!


3 posted on 11/22/2010 10:32:27 AM PST by Coldwater Creek (He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadow of the Almighty Psalm 91:)
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To: Shout Bits

Nixon was not trying to destroy the country. Especially on matters of foreign policy, Obama is much more like Carter.

Don’t trot out Nixon’s thaw with the Red Chinese. At the time he was trying to keep China and the Soviet Union from ganging up on us.

Carter, on the other hand, actively pulled the rug out from under the Shah of Iran, leaving us with the Mullahs and slapped around our allies while “making nice” with our enemies. This is clearly a blueprint followed by Obama.


4 posted on 11/22/2010 10:33:47 AM PST by the_Watchman
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To: Shout Bits

What a stupid analysis. At least Nixon had the entire MSM aligned against him and his major policies were politically popular. Other than that I guess they were identical ..


5 posted on 11/22/2010 10:34:30 AM PST by Nonstatist
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To: Shout Bits

6 posted on 11/22/2010 10:35:11 AM PST by Diogenesis ('Freedom is the light of all sentient beings.' - Optimus Prime)
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To: Coldwater Creek

Exactly?

Obama is a marxist so that would make him Lenin right?


7 posted on 11/22/2010 10:39:03 AM PST by RINOS ARE RADICALS
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To: pnh102
Totally insulting to Nixon. Nixon at the very least loved the USA... and he helped save Israel during the 1973 War.

Agreed. This writer is an idiot. Nixon's eternal war with the press was because he was an anticommunist.

8 posted on 11/22/2010 10:39:25 AM PST by kbennkc (For those who have fought for it freedom has a flavor the protected will never know .F Trp 8th Cav)
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To: Shout Bits

Read up on James Buchanan and then get back to me.


9 posted on 11/22/2010 10:39:38 AM PST by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: the_Watchman
Don’t trot out Nixon’s thaw with the Red Chinese. At the time he was trying to keep China and the Soviet Union from ganging up on us.

Not quite. The Chinese & Russians had already fallen out. They were fighting significant battles over river islands along their common border in Siberia. The Russian's had even approached the US in a backdoor appeal to get our reaction if they chose to Nuke China. We basically vetoed the idea.

Nixon's approach to China was to re-balance the security arrangements in Asia to give the US breathing space as we exited Vietnam. Russia was Vietnam's major backer by the end of US involvement.

The strategic opening to China was masterful, but it didn't take a genius to know that there was no love lost between Mao & Brezhnev.

10 posted on 11/22/2010 10:41:22 AM PST by Tallguy (Received a fine from the NFL for a helmet-to-helmet hit.)
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To: the_Watchman

You’re right on the money- Carter sowed the seeds for the nighmare muslim radicalism we are seeing right now

If Iran had succeed in becoming an economic success instead of a muslim stronghold then there would be students there shouting for laptops and outsourcing contracts instead of diaper-heads screaming for death to america right now.

When they took over our embassy we sould have bombed the heads of their religious revolution to go collect their virgins.

Notice that about 10 seconds after Ronald Reagan took office, they released the hostages. I firmly believe he made it known that his first act as President would be to leave big smoking holes in the ground where their military bases used to be.


11 posted on 11/22/2010 10:41:56 AM PST by Mr. K (TSA Sexual Assaulters: "You dont get on until we get off")
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To: Shout Bits

Obama is not Carter or Nixon, he is Hugo Chavez w/ Eva Peron’s hormones.


12 posted on 11/22/2010 10:42:03 AM PST by Migraine (Diversity is great... ...until it happens to YOU.)
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To: Shout Bits

Nixon was a patriot. He recognized the marxist element within our country long before most. I wonder how this country might look today if Nixon had never existed.


13 posted on 11/22/2010 10:44:28 AM PST by oldbrowser (Welcome to California's workers paradise..)
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To: Shout Bits

Actually Obama is Obama. A life form only physically matured that claims to be influenced by many in history albeit Carter, and Nixon seem omitted from that personal list. There was the time he claimed to be the new Abraham Lincoln, then John F. Kennedy, another time a hint of Teddy Roosevelt, and overall of course the new F.D.R..

He’s IMO a cobbled together Leftist Commie willing participant in a fraud imposed upon our Nation by behind the scenes demented cobblers that must be exposed, and destroyed for the Free World, for Free Mankind to exist.

Otherwise the World will go dark for ages.


14 posted on 11/22/2010 10:45:58 AM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius
Yep, to find a match for Zero's incompetence it is necessary to go back to Buchanan (although there is no reason to believe that Buchanan hated America).
15 posted on 11/22/2010 10:46:26 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: RINOS ARE RADICALS

I don’t have clue what you are saying. I was agreeing that the author was insulting Nixon.

Welcome to Free Republic!


16 posted on 11/22/2010 10:47:00 AM PST by Coldwater Creek (He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadow of the Almighty Psalm 91:)
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To: Mr. K; the_Watchman
If Iran had succeed in becoming an economic success instead of a muslim stronghold then there would be students there shouting for laptops and outsourcing contracts instead of diaper-heads screaming for death to america right now.

Iran WAS an economic success. The Shah was one of America's most loyal allies, then Carter betrayed him for no reason at all.

17 posted on 11/22/2010 10:48:42 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Shout Bits

Nixon was competent, Carter was not. Obama may be as paranoid as Nixon, but he’s got more in common with Carter.

SnakeDoc


18 posted on 11/22/2010 10:50:36 AM PST by SnakeDoctor (Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum -- If you wish for peace, prepare for war.)
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To: Shout Bits

Idjit.


19 posted on 11/22/2010 10:51:35 AM PST by Hardraade (I want gigaton warheads now!!)
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To: SnakeDoctor

Yep, Nixon’s paranoia with Carter’s incompetence. Not a good combination.


20 posted on 11/22/2010 10:53:20 AM PST by dfwgator (Texas Rangers -Thanks for a great season.)
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To: wagglebee

True, but his inability to actually lead on any issue makes his comparison to Buchanan apt.


21 posted on 11/22/2010 10:54:18 AM PST by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: Shout Bits

How old are you?

This is a conservative forum...we don’t usually buy the hype about Nixon.

especially those of us old enough to recall

imperfect yes...Obama?...get outta here.


22 posted on 11/22/2010 10:54:25 AM PST by wardaddy
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To: the_Watchman

Agreed.


23 posted on 11/22/2010 10:55:29 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Shout Bits

Not even close. Obama couldn’t shine Nixon’s shoes..


24 posted on 11/22/2010 10:57:14 AM PST by cardinal4 (Kagan and Sotomayor-Hope and Change)
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To: Mr. K

Thank you for the more detailed analysis, but my comment was meant to remind people that at the time Nixon approached China there was a viable threat from the Soviet Union.

Whenever you have two enemies who have a falling out, you seek to drive a wedge between them and you consider opportunities to shore up the weaker of the two. This is especially true if their conflict could come to blows. My father used to describe this as the “let’s you and him fight” strategy.

There are lots of Freepers who were not around during these times and are not aware of some of the subtle things which transpired. One of my coworkers last month tried to imply that the Soviet Union had already collapsed at the time of the Nixon presidency. I have no idea where he got this stupid idea. It occurred to me that the left probably promotes this revisionist history in order to (1) give cover to Carter for his idiotic stance toward the Soviet Union and (2) deny any credit to President Ronald Reagan for the subsequent collapse.

A lot of folks never did catch on the fact that the Soviet Union was a much bigger supporter of the North Vietnamese during the war than the Chinese. Going back even further, one of the things that annoys me about the TV program MASH is that they push the allusion that the Chinese were the main backers of the North Koreans when the Soviets were the primary backers as evidenced by peace overtures soon after the death of Stalin and the subsequent internal political instability in the Soviet Union.


25 posted on 11/22/2010 10:58:42 AM PST by the_Watchman
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To: SnakeDoctor

This original article is horribly off target.
However as you mentioned there is a seed of truth there...

I’m reminded of the old joke:
“Heaven is where the Police are British, the Chefs are French, the Mechanics are German, the Lovers Italian and it’s all organised by the Swiss.
Hell is where the Chefs are British, the mechanics are French, the lovers are Swiss, the Police are German and it’s all organised by the Italians.”

Basically need to put that into a
“In Heaven, a Democrat President is as compassionate as Hoover, intelligent as Jefferson...
In Reality, Obama is as incompetent as Carter, as Paranoid as Nixon, as egotistical as Clinton, as classless as Jackson... “

there is a good joke in there.... needs some work and can get Americans of all political persuasions laughing at the Teleprompters’ President.


26 posted on 11/22/2010 11:00:38 AM PST by JerseyHighlander (p.s. The word 'bloggers' is not in the freerepublic spellcheck dictionary?!)
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To: the_Watchman
one of the things that annoys me about the TV program MASH is that they push the allusion that the Chinese were the main backers of the North Koreans when the Soviets

I must have missed all of those Soviet troops pouring across the Yalu River.

27 posted on 11/22/2010 11:00:47 AM PST by dfwgator (Texas Rangers -Thanks for a great season.)
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To: Shout Bits

Nixion was a progressive, but also a foreign policy master that wouldn’t sell the U.S. out to our foes.


28 posted on 11/22/2010 11:01:13 AM PST by VanDeKoik (1 million in stimulus dollars paid for this tagline!)
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To: Diogenesis

29 posted on 11/22/2010 11:02:58 AM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.8)
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To: Shout Bits
The only thing that I see Obama has in common with Nixon is that both have/had an enemies list. At least Nixon was anti-communist.
30 posted on 11/22/2010 11:04:07 AM PST by 2001convSVT (That Beck guy was right about gold, too.)
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To: Shout Bits

No.. he is Carter.. Nixson had BALLS.. Carter is inveneral..


31 posted on 11/22/2010 11:04:24 AM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: Shout Bits
nixonbowling Pictures, Images and Photos

Nope, Nixon could bowl.

32 posted on 11/22/2010 11:05:08 AM PST by Snickering Hound
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To: the_Watchman
A lot of folks never did catch on the fact that the Soviet Union was a much bigger supporter of the North Vietnamese during the war than the Chinese.

On that you are correct. The Chinese and Vietnamese hate each other. In fact the Chinese were the supporters of the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia, and were ticked off that the Vietnamese were the ones who ousted Pol Pot and company. It led briefly to a war between the two in 1979. And the Vietnamese were literally begging for us to return to Cam Ranh Bay, after the collapse of the Soviet Union, because they still fear the ChiComs.

33 posted on 11/22/2010 11:05:14 AM PST by dfwgator (Texas Rangers -Thanks for a great season.)
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To: Shout Bits
Obama isn't Carter or Nixon, his contemporaries are a whole different group!

34 posted on 11/22/2010 11:05:22 AM PST by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: dfwgator

“I must have missed all of those Soviet troops pouring across the Yalu River.”

Yes, carrying American weapons supplied by the Soviets via lend-lease from WII. The Chinese clearly supplied bodies, but the Soviets supplied the money. Always follow the money. After Stalin died the power struggle in the Soviet Union was around how much of their economic output should be expended on “guns” rather than “butter”. The “butter” boys won and a cessation of hostilities was reached in North Korea soon thereafter, because the Chinese had no industrial infrastructure to support the war.


35 posted on 11/22/2010 11:08:00 AM PST by the_Watchman
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius
And, like Buchanan, he seems to have a knack for doing exactly the WRONG thing in any given situation and a total inability to comprehend the consequences of what he's doing.

While it MIGHT have been possible to avoid the Civil War (although I don't believe there is any way our country could have remained united without the abolition of slavery), Buchanan made it inevitable. Obama might be doing exactly the same thing.

36 posted on 11/22/2010 11:10:47 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: the_Watchman

I see your point better now. Stalin and Mao were close during those years. It was Stalin who propped up Kim Il Sung before Mao took power in China. But after the war, they were clearly in the Chinese camp.


37 posted on 11/22/2010 11:10:52 AM PST by dfwgator (Texas Rangers -Thanks for a great season.)
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To: Shout Bits
By 1940, Nixon had forgotten more about politics than Obama will ever know.
38 posted on 11/22/2010 11:11:23 AM PST by Phlap (REDNECK@LIBARTS.EDU)
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To: y'all
0'Zer0 is a new standard in poop presidents.

There are no adequate comparisons.

Because, there is no other president that loathed the country.

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39 posted on 11/22/2010 11:19:21 AM PST by Cyber Ninja (Live and Let Live; is not working...)
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To: Shout Bits

Although this article will probably make a few liberal heads explode (a good thing), and although Nixon was riddled with faults (wage/price controls, etc), Obama is no Nixon.

Nixon was a patriot.

Obama hates America.

End Of Comparison.


40 posted on 11/22/2010 11:28:39 AM PST by samtheman
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To: wagglebee
Iran WAS an economic success. The Shah was one of America's most loyal allies, then Carter betrayed him for no reason at all.

Iran was a mess. The Iranian people hated the Shah and his secret police, and there was an active revolutionary movement that had broad support among the population. Moreover, radical Islam had already found its foothold there, before Carter abandoned Iran.

Carter certainly made things worse ... but he didn't create the problem.

41 posted on 11/22/2010 11:30:35 AM PST by r9etb
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To: samtheman
Nixon was a patriot.

Perhaps ... but he was also paranoid and crooked. In that, he's very much like Obama.

I don't see why the author insists on an either/or comparoson, though. Obama is very much like Carter, as well.

42 posted on 11/22/2010 11:38:50 AM PST by r9etb
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To: VanDeKoik
I'm not sure I'd describe Nixon as a progressive.

However, he was definitely a Keynesian in economic policy.

Plus he had some of the same utopian foreign policy ideas as Woodrow Wilson, but not as bad.

To understand Nixon, you need to understand the same Northeast/New England RINO wing of the party who gave us Tom Dewey, Eisenhower, the Rockerfeller family, the Romney family, the Bush family, etc.

Remember, Nixon chose to base himself in New York post presidency, so he would be close to this group. Where do you think he got Henry Kissinger, Melvin Laird and most of his non-California appointments?

Still, he was not the evil persona created by the DNC stenographer pool. Plus he had a sense of shame, something Obama never had and never will.

43 posted on 11/22/2010 11:41:46 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: r9etb
The Iranian people hated the Shah and his secret police, and there was an active revolutionary movement that had broad support among the population.

I never disputed any of that. The fact remains that Iran was an economic success.

Moreover, radical Islam had already found its foothold there, before Carter abandoned Iran.

The Shah may have fallen even with American support, but Iran's fate was sealed when Carter betrayed him.

44 posted on 11/22/2010 11:46:36 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Snickering Hound

As Walter Sobchak would shout, “Hey, you’re over the foul line, man!”


45 posted on 11/22/2010 12:27:54 PM PST by Erasmus (Personal goal: Have a bigger carbon footprint than Tony Robbins.)
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To: pnh102
I agree, and deplore all these efforts to compare Obama to some President from our past. We have had socialists before (Wilson, FDR, Johnson, Carter) and some of them had fascist tendencies, but we've never had one that was a foreigner who hated us, while trying to rule us. For a valid comparison, you'd have to find a nation that was conquered and had socialism imposed on it. Poland, perhaps, or Cuba. We were conquered from within, with help from international socialism, just as Nicaragua, Cuba, China, Venezuela were.

The best comparison is to Chavez.

46 posted on 11/22/2010 12:33:45 PM PST by Defiant (I'm a Fabian Constitutionalist. Roll back FDR and progressivism!)
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To: Kartographer

Bingo!


47 posted on 11/22/2010 12:37:56 PM PST by Defiant (I'm a Fabian Constitutionalist. Roll back FDR and progressivism!)
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To: pnh102
"Totally insulting to Nixon. Nixon at the very least loved the USA... and he helped save Israel during the 1973 War."

DITTO on that!

OBAMA is Hugo Chavez without the military experience.

48 posted on 11/22/2010 1:02:19 PM PST by wmileo
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To: r9etb
"In that, he's very much like OBAMA."

Nixon was not the Pied Piper type at all. OBAMA is. That is why our kids, over pampered and uneducated due to Public Schools and the so called 'Teacher's' Unions will make easy followers.

This type of scoundrel would never have been this successful if he were dealing with the Greatest Generation instead of their grandchildren.

49 posted on 11/22/2010 1:11:02 PM PST by wmileo
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To: Shout Bits
Richard is laughing at the nescient fool.


50 posted on 11/22/2010 8:30:43 PM PST by clearcarbon
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