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Science Confirms U.S. Scientists Lie More Than Any Other Scientists
Casey Hendrickson & Heather Kydd on KDOX ^

Posted on 11/22/2010 1:45:21 PM PST by Casey Hendrickson KDOX

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41 posted on 11/22/2010 3:47:15 PM PST by stormer
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To: Lazamataz

“I will prove you wrong, because the excrement is still yours.”

Perhaps, but never for very long.


42 posted on 11/22/2010 3:49:25 PM PST by RinaseaofDs (Does beheading qualify as 'breaking my back', in the Jeffersonian sense of the expression?)
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To: Las Vegas Ron
I didn't vote for Whitman. She was a super rich phony that hired illegal aliens as house keepers...

To be honest, I'm glad her illegal alien help turned on her. It just proved again what glaring phonies these people really are.

43 posted on 11/22/2010 3:49:41 PM PST by dragnet2
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To: Casey Hendrickson KDOX

If this is true I would be interested in the correleation to government grants...just another fine example of whatever the government touches becomes corrupt and wasteful.


44 posted on 11/22/2010 3:51:50 PM PST by surfer (To err is human, to really foul things up takes a Democrat, don't expect the GOP to have the answer!)
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To: allmendream

Back in the day as an undergrad, I used some stuff about Giordano Bruno on a recruiting flyer for the Astronomy Club - you wouldn’t believe the shit I had to put up with...


45 posted on 11/22/2010 3:53:04 PM PST by stormer
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To: stormer
Why are you being such an azzho?

Ever have your work featured on Rush Limbaugh's show?

I thought not.

46 posted on 11/22/2010 3:55:41 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Moderates manipulate, extremists use violence, but the goal is the same.)
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To: Lazamataz; Las Vegas Ron
Well, to be 100% fair, Case cannot be held responsible for Massive Voter Fraud.

Last time I was in Vegas, I looked like Mexico...I haven't been there since the economic collapse...No doubt all the unemployed illegal maids and hotel slaves voted for Harry Reid.

Like California, the Hispanics voted for leftist Jerry Brown 2 to 1 because Whitman fired her illegal alien maid slave.

47 posted on 11/22/2010 4:00:42 PM PST by dragnet2
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To: Las Vegas Ron

Whatever - some radio yakker trying to drive traffic to his site. Blog pimp ahoy!


48 posted on 11/22/2010 4:02:47 PM PST by stormer
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To: dragnet2
I didn't vote for Whitman. She was a super rich phony that hired illegal aliens as house keepers...

And now you're stuck with Brown....AGAIN.

Great going slick, Jerry, Edmund, Pat, the dynasty continues.

To be honest, I'm glad her illegal alien help turned on her. It just proved again what glaring phonies these people really are.

You bought that story? Were you the TSA agent that was feeling Gloria up, the one who touched her where she hasn't been touched in so long?

People like you are the reason I left my Native California after 40 years of living there.

Enjoy it, you've earned it.

49 posted on 11/22/2010 4:04:27 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Moderates manipulate, extremists use violence, but the goal is the same.)
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To: Casey Hendrickson KDOX
“Turns out, that’s the most effective area in the field of study.”

Yes; it turns out that the ENTIRE FIELD of EVERY KIND of ADULT stem cell IS the PROMISING FIELD of stem cell research in medical science.

In addition, a research outfit in the U.K. has even learned how to take adult stem cells and give them the plenipotentiary quality of embryonic stem cells.

What stem cell science has actually been learning is that embryonic stem cells are unnecessary.

50 posted on 11/22/2010 4:08:45 PM PST by Wuli
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To: dragnet2
Last time I was in Vegas, I looked like Mexico...

Depends where you are, many parts are like Africa......kind of like So. Central, Pacoima, No Hollywood, Van Nuys, Oxnard, etc....like most of this Country now a days...

Here in places like Summerlin for example would be akin to Westlake, Simi, Thousand Oaks, Encino, Sherman Oaks and so on.

51 posted on 11/22/2010 4:16:08 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Moderates manipulate, extremists use violence, but the goal is the same.)
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To: stormer
Gee, I didn't know free market capitalizing was frowned upon here....hmmm, silly me.

As long as Jim Rob doesn't object, why would you?

I can see tossing out people who have nothing to offer but this isn't the case, as I've tried to communicate to you.

Whatever, chase of good people, do us proud.

52 posted on 11/22/2010 4:24:18 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Moderates manipulate, extremists use violence, but the goal is the same.)
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To: allmendream; Casey Hendrickson KDOX
Blog pimps are stupid. You expected actual competent numerical analysis from a blog pimp?

Well, before calling people names why don't you check the facts.

The following is extracted from "Journal of Medical Ethics", J Med Ethics doi:10.1136/jme.2010.038125

Retractions in the scientific literature: do authors deliberately commit research fraud?

R Grant Steen

"The results of this study show unequivocally that scientists in the USA are responsible for more retracted papers than any other country (table 3). These results suggest that American scientists are significantly more prone to engage in data fabrication or falsification than scientists from other countries. There was no evidence to support a contention that papers submitted from China or other Asian nations and indexed in PubMed are more likely to be fraudulent.6 China, despite several recent high-profile fraud cases,7 8 did not commit a disproportionate share of research fraud. Chinese scientists published 11.5% of all scientific papers6 and accounted for 11.3% of retractions in the world literature (table 3).

Don't like the news? Blame the study not the person that reports about it if that person accurately portrays the study.


53 posted on 11/22/2010 4:32:40 PM PST by AndrewC
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To: allmendream; Casey Hendrickson KDOX
Oh, here is the referenced table.

Table 3

Country of affiliation for first authors of retracted papers 2000–10, tabulated for countries with more than 10 retracted papers

Total retractions Error (E) Fraud (F) Reasons unknown Ratio E/F
USA* 260 169 84 7 2.0
China 89 60 20 9 3.0
Japan 60 41 18 1 2.3
India 50 27 17 6 1.6
UK 45 36 7 2 5.1
South Korea 38 27 8 3 3.4
Germany 25 22 3 0 7.3
Australia 17 13 3 1 4.3
Canada 17 15 2 0 7.5
Italy 17 11 6 0 1.8
Turkey 15 13 2 0 6.5
France 13 12 1 0 12.0
Greece 12 10 0 2 >10
Iran 11 9 1 1 9.0
Asian nations 237 155 63 19 2.5
34 other countries* 119 80 25 14 3.2
Overall total 788 545 197 46 2.8

54 posted on 11/22/2010 4:38:51 PM PST by AndrewC
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To: AndrewC
The facts given didn't show what the author claimed they did.

The Chinese data showed proportionality...”Chinese scientists published 11.5% of all scientific papers6 and accounted for 11.3% of retractions in the world literature”

All the data given so far about American retractions is that they account for around 33% of total retractions.

So the million dollar question would be.......

Do I have to say it?

I guess so.

WHAT % of scientific papers are published by American scientists?????????

Where is that data?

http://www.science20.com/science_20/if_data_properly_framed_us_scientists_are_more_likely_engage_fraud

This guy takes him to task for his shoddy research and unbacked claims.

http://blogs.nature.com/news/thegreatbeyond/2010/11/us_scientists_more_prone_to_fa_1.html

And here they use the actual number to normalize and found that Americans are less likely than many others to engage in scientific fraud.

Americans published 1819543/6111156 papers. That is 30%.

55 posted on 11/22/2010 4:44:19 PM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: AndrewC
When you factor in that 30% of all papers are FROM America you get a different picture.

When you look at the RATE of retraction or fraud...

US = 0.014% retraction 0.005% fraud
China = 0.048% retraction 0.011% fraud
Japan = 0.016% retraction 0.005% fraud
India = 0.052% retraction 0.018% fraud
S Korea = 0.042% retraction 0.009% fraud.
UK = 0.013% retraction 0.002% fraud
Germany = 0.008% retraction 0.001% fraud.

So it looks like those ethical Germans and English got us beat, but not many others; and by a wide margin.

When someone misses the mark BY THAT MUCH, making such shoddy mistakes in math; what do you suppose was the agenda? Or is it easier to explain through stupidity rather than malice?

56 posted on 11/22/2010 4:56:09 PM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: allmendream

I kept looking for an actual number... I also would bet a dollar that a large portion of those papers withdrawn are directly related to the pharmaceutical industry (now there’s a shocker). This paper also perfectly illustrates the concept of “begging the question”, something few people seem to be able to grasp. “Sixty-three percent of statistics are made up, and I’ve got the numbers to prove it!”


57 posted on 11/22/2010 4:56:48 PM PST by stormer
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To: stormer
I found it. Apparently the esteemed author of this bit of anti-Americanism study didn't use it.

Americans publish 30% of all scientific papers.

A lot of retractions are over misuse of policy towards images. Someone will ‘clean up’ an image in a non fraudulent way and for the purpose of clarity, and it will trigger a retraction. If they ‘cleaned up’ the image that was their data, then that was fraud, and only a third of (rather rare) retractions are actual fraud. Most are just people trying to make an image look cleaner than it was, use enough to establish geography, but clean up extraneous bits. That is against policy.

58 posted on 11/22/2010 5:03:02 PM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: allmendream; Casey Hendrickson KDOX
The facts given didn't show what the author claimed they did.

Well, then take the author to task. Present a paper countering his analysis, but don't blame bloggers for reporting what the study concludes. Evidently, the author presented his paper which presumably passed the highly touted "peer review" process and was okay to publish.

Having said that, I would like to know what query you used to develop the last numbers you provided, since Freerepublic apparently does not meet the criteria "peer-reviewed."

Again, don't blame Casey Hendrickson KDOX for reporting what someone else stated. You now have the right target, but you have to backup your data or leave them as assertions. I really don't care one way or the other. I just find it interesting that anyone would be surprised that fraud exists in the scientific community. It also exists in the religious community. But both are as white as the driven snow when compared to politicians.

59 posted on 11/22/2010 5:06:42 PM PST by AndrewC
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To: allmendream
When someone misses the mark BY THAT MUCH, making such shoddy mistakes in math; what do you suppose was the agenda?

I have no idea, assuming he missed the mark. I do know that his paper was published in a presumably peer-reviewed publication. If it has an agenda, it seems to then be a conspiracy.

60 posted on 11/22/2010 5:14:08 PM PST by AndrewC
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