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North Korea versus South Korea Military Comparison
Conservative Refocus ^ | 11/2110 | Barry Secrest

Posted on 11/23/2010 2:48:50 PM PST by Barry Secrest

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1 posted on 11/23/2010 2:48:56 PM PST by Barry Secrest
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To: Barry Secrest

North Korea has nukes.
South Korea doesn’t.

Obama has said he would not retaliate even if a US city were nuked, so S. Korea is screwed.

Even if the arms were equal, it’s sort of like being challenged to a game of “chicken” by a guy driving an old beat up Yugo with a smoking engine and four flat tires and you are driving a brand new shiny high performance Porsche.


2 posted on 11/23/2010 2:52:21 PM PST by Bon mots ("Anything you say, can and will be construed as racist...")
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To: Bon mots

South Korea is not a force I would like to oppose. In addition, Japan has checked in and it pissed. We have major assets that have been moved into the area over the last year or so.

It isn’t going anywhere unless NK is looking to really get it’s butt kicked.


3 posted on 11/23/2010 2:55:37 PM PST by texmexis best
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To: Bon mots

SK is fighting a defensive war, which is far easier. Their troops are better trained, equipped and motivated.

But a WHOLE lotta people would die.


4 posted on 11/23/2010 2:56:05 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Barry Secrest

I don’t have the exact details on equipment and weapons systems, but North Korea’s military is mostly junk. Have you ever noticed that when they have military parades, there’s no tanks or aircraft? That’s because all the ones they have are embarrassingly outdated.

The main reason for NK’s nuclear program is that their conventional forces would not last long in a war. They lack the fuel, spare parts, and industrial capacity to sustain a prolonged conflict. But they could still cause a heck of a lot of damage in the opening weeks of a war.


5 posted on 11/23/2010 2:57:29 PM PST by Strk321
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To: Bon mots

North Korea doesn’t care how many of it’s people it kills, starves or maims.

North Korea has nukes, and doesn’t care about world opinion or diplomatic responses. It is my opinion, that they are itching for an excuse to touch one off, even if the excuse is a response from their aggressive behavior.

South Korea has no nukes, is concerned about their population and is concerned about collateral damage.

Jughead won’t lift a finger to help our ally. South Korea is screwed.


6 posted on 11/23/2010 2:58:13 PM PST by Hodar (Who needs laws .... when this "feels" so right?)
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To: driftdiver
"But a WHOLE lotta people would die."

Yep. They're at the mercy of their own geography, much like Israel.

7 posted on 11/23/2010 2:58:52 PM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: Bon mots

I hope the Allied nations know were all the Nukes are and have the means to take them all out before they can respond. I think it is getting to the point were the Norks are going to have to have their military capabilities taken out by any means neccessary, they are getting too reckless for it to be sensible to be allowed to keep them....


8 posted on 11/23/2010 3:01:47 PM PST by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: Barry Secrest
Although the norks have fearsome numbers, there is a qualitative difference as well. For instance, this is the ROK K1A1 MBT....

...in many ways it's a little Abrams, better suited to the terrain, road network and urban fighting likely to occur in a conflict on the peninsula. The norks are still fielding primarily T-55s and T-62s. There are similar disparities in aircraft (i.e. F-5s and F-16s vs. Mig 17s and 19s although I do believe they have a few 29s as well.

9 posted on 11/23/2010 3:02:01 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Barry Secrest

NK troops are cannon fodder. SK has the capacity to send stragetically targeted missles to an arm lengths list of placed that will render NK up a creek. Most of the NK people will not be siding with NK during a prolonged conflict. A LOT of people will die but I’d side with SK when they get it on.


10 posted on 11/23/2010 3:02:50 PM PST by IllumiNaughtyByNature (3(0|\|0/\/\1($ 101: (4P174L1$/\/\ R3QU1r3$ (4P174L. Could it be any more simple?)
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To: Barry Secrest

anyone remember the Iraq vs US comparison? On paper Iraq had a formidable force, but in practice the military didn’t exist


11 posted on 11/23/2010 3:03:03 PM PST by 4rcane
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To: Hodar

“South Korea has no nukes, is concerned about their population and is concerned about collateral damage.”

And since they’re a major industrial nation, a war would really disrupt the global economy. Think about it: Go into Best Buy and all the Samsung and LG HDTVs are gone because the factory got blown up. Or your local Hyundai dealer has to close because he can’t get any new cars to sell.


12 posted on 11/23/2010 3:06:30 PM PST by Strk321
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To: Barry Secrest

I saw a picture (on FR I think) of a US soldier and an SK soldier ecorting a NK soldier back across the border. I believe he had gotten lost. The US soldier looked to be about 6’ 3”, about 200 pounds, and the perfect model of a soldier. The SK guy was significantly smaller, but still impressive in appearance. The NK soldier looked about the same size as my 11 year old, except my 11 year old is in better physical condition.


13 posted on 11/23/2010 3:08:08 PM PST by suthener
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To: Hodar

There are tactical nukes in SK.


14 posted on 11/23/2010 3:08:15 PM PST by gbs
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To: Hodar

If Japan wanted to help South Korea, what could it do?

Perhaps offer some air support, but what else? Just a token amount of ground troops?


15 posted on 11/23/2010 3:12:32 PM PST by Leaning Right
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To: Barry Secrest
We should know by our own American Revolution that military strength has nothing to do with the final outcome. You have to have purpose to sustain your will to fight on, and there is no greater purpose than fighting for your own freedom.
16 posted on 11/23/2010 3:14:02 PM PST by NavyCanDo
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan
Obama will do nothing.


17 posted on 11/23/2010 3:15:23 PM PST by Bon mots ("Anything you say, can and will be construed as racist...")
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To: Leaning Right

There will be no war. China will not permit it—they have a great deal of voice in North Korea. In a one on one match South will beat North. The North just wants more aide. Omaba will give it to them too.


18 posted on 11/23/2010 3:18:15 PM PST by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: driftdiver
But a WHOLE lotta people would die.

Yes, and I am partial to Asians. The SKs are a gutsy people, and The NKs would be too if given half a chance. I am praying for no war

19 posted on 11/23/2010 3:18:28 PM PST by The_Media_never_lie
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To: driftdiver
But a WHOLE lotta people would die.

Yes, and I am partial to Asians. The SKs are a gutsy people, and The NKs would be too if given half a chance. I am praying for no war

20 posted on 11/23/2010 3:19:10 PM PST by The_Media_never_lie
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To: Joe 6-pack

“The norks are still fielding primarily T-55s and T-62s.”

My point exactly. Tanks from the 1950s and ‘60s.

“There are similar disparities in aircraft (i.e. F-5s and F-16s vs. Mig 17s and 19s although I do believe they have a few 29s as well.”

The Mig-29 dates back to the ‘80s, but geez, the 17 and 19 were around in the 1950-53 conflict.

Of course, you know the saying: Even a rusty knife can kill.


21 posted on 11/23/2010 3:21:09 PM PST by Strk321
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To: Barry Secrest
the Norks showing the world what an impotent spineless loser the boy really is...

the only surprise to me is that it took this long for them to do it

22 posted on 11/23/2010 3:22:11 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Forward the Light Brigade

“China will not permit it—they have a great deal of voice in North Korea.”

True. After South Vietnam fell in April 1975, Kim Il Sung thought that his chance had finally arrived. He went to Beijing to get support for an invasion of SK, but Mao Zedong told him “No way dude.”

As far as today’s situation, a war would cause a huge mess, economic disruption, and mass refugees streaming into China, so yeah, they probably would object.


23 posted on 11/23/2010 3:26:58 PM PST by Strk321
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To: The_Media_never_lie

Obama would have to act. Americans will die in the first wave of attacks. If Obama chose to do nothing he would be impeached within a week.

The minute the norks try to cross the border hell will be turned loose on north Korea. The question no one is asking is why is great leader goading the south? I would be more concerned with what china is thinking.


24 posted on 11/23/2010 3:29:33 PM PST by EQAndyBuzz (Remember March 23, 1775. Remember March 23, 2010)
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25 posted on 11/23/2010 3:33:22 PM PST by The Comedian (Government: Saving people from freedom since time immemorial.)
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To: Bon mots

In a North vs. South contest, I think a huge difference is in the size of their respective back-up arsenals. North K. has the Chicoms, their humongous arsenal and the Chicom leaders, who would NOT mind spilling someone else’s blood; just like back in the ‘50s.

South K. has some sort of arsenal, perhaps some minimal back-up of arms from the U.S. and all the honor, bravery and dependability of BHO. You’re right. South Korea is screwed!


26 posted on 11/23/2010 3:36:43 PM PST by Tucker39
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To: texmexis best

Me thinks Japan is looking for a way to make amends for past crappola they did to Korea.


27 posted on 11/23/2010 3:36:55 PM PST by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) The more I see and know Obammy the more I think he's an a-hole.)
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To: Barry Secrest

Just as it was in the middle of the last century: If conflict breaks out on the Korean penninsula, NK is not the country you need to be worried about.


28 posted on 11/23/2010 3:38:35 PM PST by edpc (It's Kräusened)
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To: texmexis best

I truly wish I could believe that. I’d like to believe it. But when I look at what our commander-in-cheap has been doing so far in other theaters of action; I feel that the chances are slim and none. And slim just rode out of town.......leaving what?


29 posted on 11/23/2010 3:39:38 PM PST by Tucker39
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To: Barry Secrest

If NK invades, SK should just step aside and let them rush in complete with banners, parades, welcome home music, buffet tables full of food, big smiles, slaps on the back ....THE WORKS!

The NK army would be totally confused leaving the NK leadership powerless.


30 posted on 11/23/2010 3:44:16 PM PST by Hammerhead
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To: gbs
There are tactical nukes in SK.

The US withdrew tactical nuclear weapons from South Korea in 1991

31 posted on 11/23/2010 3:45:58 PM PST by kabar
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To: IllumiNaughtyByNature

As I have stood next to many SK soldiers during my short Naval visits there, I can surely tell you SK will kick some serious ass.

Those boys don’t play well with others.


32 posted on 11/23/2010 3:47:09 PM PST by Hammerhead
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To: Bon mots
Yes and no. Their test have been basically "fizzles." One of three things is happening. 1 - Their design is crude and too unwieldy for proper detonation or deployment. 2 - Their plutonium is not sufficiently pure for the proper yield. 3 - They're completely faking underground nuclear tests with large quantities of high explosives.

I happen to think it's a combination of 1 and 2, but it won't be long until they figure it out if they remain unchecked. That's especially true if they work in conjunction with Iran, as some suspect they are.

33 posted on 11/23/2010 3:51:40 PM PST by edpc (It's Kräusened)
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To: Strk321
Or your local Hyundai dealer has to close because he can’t get any new cars to sell.

NK is going to nuke Alabama?

34 posted on 11/23/2010 3:53:38 PM PST by Moonman62 (Half of all Americans are above average.)
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To: Barry Secrest
But do they truly have GoldenEye?
35 posted on 11/23/2010 3:57:28 PM PST by Shqipo (I stand with AZ!)
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To: Bon mots
Obama has said he would not retaliate even if a US city were nuked...

If that's the case, then would it be wrong to hope that Obama is in the city that gets it?

36 posted on 11/23/2010 3:57:59 PM PST by Moonman62 (Half of all Americans are above average.)
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To: The_Media_never_lie

Since I have family over there I am also praying. The general feeling is that there will be war sooner or later.


37 posted on 11/23/2010 3:59:37 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Moonman62

They assemble some cars in the US, but aren’t a lot of the parts made in Korea?


38 posted on 11/23/2010 4:02:58 PM PST by Strk321
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To: kabar

Based on what source?


39 posted on 11/23/2010 4:03:39 PM PST by gbs
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To: driftdiver

“But a whole lotta people would die’’. Doubt that. Doubt that very much. What I see happening is every North Korean soldier go running for the nearest foreign embassy, Western, Asian , East European, anywhere they can get to trying to get out.


40 posted on 11/23/2010 4:03:58 PM PST by jmacusa (Two wrongs don't make a right. But they can make it interesting.)
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To: Barry Secrest

Time to go clean house. Time to cut the head off of some snakes ! Time to do a very quiet invasion of Pyongyang and take out all gov’t officials at the top.


41 posted on 11/23/2010 4:08:20 PM PST by CORedneck
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To: Leaning Right
A very good navy and air force that could serve as a force multiplier for the ROK.

My money is on the ROK. Kimland has nukes, but not many, and they are going to find the ROK forces are a lot tougher than they have been taught.

42 posted on 11/23/2010 4:12:08 PM PST by GAB-1955 (I write books, love my wife, serve my nation, and believe in the Resurrection.)
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To: jmacusa

‘Doubt that. Doubt that very much. “

And that is based on what?

“What I see happening is every North Korean soldier go running for the nearest foreign embassy, Western, Asian , East European, anywhere they can get to trying to get out.”

About 15 years ago a NK sub had engine trouble and beached in SK. The commander lined up 10 of his men on the beach and shot them. Then he shot himself. The two remaining men went on a rampage killing farmers until the SK army found and killed them.

They did this because any NK that defects is condemning his entire family to the death camps. Aunts, uncles, cousins, grandparents, infants and anyone else associated with the individual is sent to a camp. The women are often raped to death. Children are used for experiments. Few manage to survive the camps.


43 posted on 11/23/2010 4:12:42 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Tucker39

China will stay out of this one unless the integrity of China were at stake - and the ROK forces will stop at the Yalu.


44 posted on 11/23/2010 4:14:00 PM PST by GAB-1955 (I write books, love my wife, serve my nation, and believe in the Resurrection.)
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To: gbs
The United States removed its last tactical nuclear weapons from South Korea in December of 1991.

I could give you countless sources documenting US policy that denuclearizes the Korean peninsula. Bush 41 made that call. I am surprised that anyone on this site wouldn't know that.

S. Korea denies seeking redeployment of U.S. tactical nuclear weapons

45 posted on 11/23/2010 4:16:02 PM PST by kabar
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To: EQAndyBuzz
The minute the norks try to cross the border hell will be turned loose on north Korea. The question no one is asking is why is great leader goading the south?

I'm not a millitary strategist in any way shpae or form, but my understanding is that with Seoul within the reach of fortified artillery, etc., in NK, the north gets to play terrorist. They have 10M+ people they can threaten but know that one shell into Seoul is all out war.

While the logistics would be massive, I would think that SK could return pressure without firing a shot by announcing an orderly evacuation of Seoul to southern areas of the country. Just the announcement would send chills, actual movements would likely be seen as dead ass serious as mobilizing troops and equipment on the border, but would nopt be offensive. Any offensive action by NK would be seen a their desire to effectively hold civillians hostage.

I'm sure there are smarter people than on this, and there certainly would be economic impacts to SK and globally. But a firm response from the world saying we will float / forgive resources during this critical period would be one way of providing a unified response with real teeth, and make the cheese a little more binding for NK.

On the other hand, SK knows more than I do and might have a plan in place to knock out the threat with limited damage. I wouldn't put it past them.

46 posted on 11/23/2010 4:18:38 PM PST by !1776!
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To: 4rcane

Very good comparison - Saddam’s Iraq was similar to today’s NK. However, Saddam wasn’t real close to anyone except poor Kwait. North Korea is right on top of the South.


47 posted on 11/23/2010 4:20:47 PM PST by JimSEA
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To: Bon mots

Oh, obama would retaliate all right. He too would attack the United States.


48 posted on 11/23/2010 4:21:14 PM PST by sport
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To: texmexis best

Has obama apologized to NK and blamed America yet?


49 posted on 11/23/2010 4:23:58 PM PST by italianquaker ( teabag the vote!!)
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To: Tucker39
North K. has the Chicoms, their humongous arsenal and the Chicom leaders, who would NOT mind spilling someone else’s blood; just like back in the ‘50s.

While counterintuitive, the large amounts of U.S. debt held by China may work against them. A strong USA would freeze and suspend that debt and any nation that traded such debt with China if China actively interfered against one of our allies.

That in and of itself would be considered an act of war to China, but it is a lever and a potentially useful one. Without our dollars China's economic system collapses and they have a billion subjects that might find that outcome to be an enormously difficult pill to swallow, not to mention the impact of the suspension of other critical items such as grains. Again - likely to be considered an act of war, but in a shooting war with one of our allies, difficult issues are likely to arise.

Better now than later I would suspect. China might have a massive millitary, but they are only beginning to develop the capacity to significanty project that power. A few million soldiers sitting in China doesn't get alot accomplished on the battle field.

Global economic hit - likely massive. Though an outright ban on Chinese imports / exports among allies might have mid to long term benefits regardless of short term pain.

50 posted on 11/23/2010 4:31:08 PM PST by !1776!
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