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Fresh North Korean Artillery Fire Heard Near Shelled Island: "Brink of War"
Reaganite Republican ^ | November 26, 2010 | Reaganite Republican

Posted on 11/26/2010 1:34:41 AM PST by Reaganite Republican

Shrill DPRK propaganda threatens "shower of fire"

The ever-belligerent Norks fired more large guns today in the vicinity of the South Korean island shelled on Tuesday. To most observers it appears that a fading Kim Jong Il is happy to blow up a few Southern fisherman to impress the military with his choice of under-achieving 27-year-old son Kim Jong Un -reportedly not the sharpest knife in the drawer- as his designated successor in the world's only hereditary communist dictatorship.

He's already made the kid a four-star general, and after visiting the artillery site on Monday the younger Kim is rumored to have ordered the attack himself... AP- Fresh artillery shots were heard Friday on the tense South Korean island of Yeonpyeong, three days after it was devastated by a North Korean attack and hours after Pyongyang warned that the peninsula was on the brink of war.

The blasts happened just after the top U.S. commander in South Korea, Gen. Walter Sharp, toured Yeonpyeong Island in a show of solidarity with Seoul and to survey damage from Tuesday's hail of North Korean artillery fire that killed four people.

An official at the South Korean Joint Chiefs of Staff said several new rounds of artillery fire were heard Friday on Yeonpyeong, which is just 7 miles (11 kilometers) south of the North Korean mainland. The military official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said several distant explosive sounds came from the direction of North Korea. There were no immediate reports of damage.

Seems the Kims are doing their best to frighten their enemies much as a rattlesnake would... and with a comparable moral code- (Yonhap News Service:) Threatening "a shower of dreadful fire," North Korea said Friday it will wipe out its enemies if its sovereignty is violated, warning that the Korean Peninsula is inching to the "brink of war." The warnings by the Committee for the Peaceful Reunification of Korea and the official Korean Central News Agency (KCNA) are the latest threats Pyongyang has issued since South Korea and the U.S. agreed to hold joint drills near the communist country in a show of force.

The rhetoric raises already high tension after the communist country exchanged deadly artillery barrages with South Korea on Tuesday, killing two marines and two civilians here in one of the most violent clashes on the peninsula since the 1950-53 Korean War. North Korea, officially called the Democratic People's Republic of Korea (DPRK), denies initiating the clash, warning it will mount additional attacks if its territorial waters are violated.

"The army and people of the DPRK are now greatly enraged at the provocation of the puppet group while getting fully ready to give a shower of dreadful fire and blow up the bulwark of the enemies" if they violate the North's sovereignty, the committee said.

In the Korean version of the statement released through the KCNA, the North said it is "ready to annihilate enemies' stronghold," a possible reference to major military bases and civilian facilities in the South.

It also said its forces "precisely targeted and struck" South Korean artillery units on Tuesday in what can seen as an admission of a deliberate attack on the South.

"Gone are the days when verbal warnings are served only," the committee said in the English statement. "The group should not run amuck, clearly understanding the will and mettle of the highly alerted army and people of the DPRK to wipe out the enemies."

If the Chinese are serious about being a world leader, now might be a appropriate time to act like it and control their brats before somebody loses an eye... or worse.

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TOPICS: Government; History; Military/Veterans; Politics
KEYWORDS: attack; blogpimp; dprk; korea; shelling

1 posted on 11/26/2010 1:34:49 AM PST by Reaganite Republican
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To: Reaganite Republican

Had one of my co-workers ask me this evening if we were going to war over Korea.

I really didn’t know what to tell her.


2 posted on 11/26/2010 1:41:46 AM PST by hoagy62 (.)
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To: hoagy62

This is all a show to cement the son’s place in the heirarchy by issuing war orders

The North know they would lose any war, unless the Chinese would come in vs US and SK... I doubt that would ever happen, and they surely wouldn’t pledge such support to the opportunistic and mercurial Kim regime

The North would trash the South, but lose and die... period. I don’t see them pushing it all the way, and the Chinese need to act like the leaders they so desperately aspire to be and DO SOMETHING


3 posted on 11/26/2010 1:46:21 AM PST by Reaganite Republican
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To: hoagy62

Tell her to pray for the best but prepare for the worse.
Obama is going to crap himself if this goes south.


4 posted on 11/26/2010 1:48:10 AM PST by Yorlik803 (better to die on your feet than live on your knees.)
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To: hoagy62

There seems to be a lot of “This will all blow over, just like before, won’t it?” reassuring going on.

Unlike a lot of people, I am not one that subscribes to the idea that the North Koreans are China’s puppets and that they can be controlled with a few jerks on the leash from Beijing.

They are too frigging independent and crazy for that. Furthermore, they know full well that if it all drops in the pot, China stands to lose a lot more than just face. The ROK economy is closely intertwined with the PRC economy, especially for petrochemicals, but for a number of other products as well. These are supplies that fuel China’s export-driven economy and which would not be easily replaced.

Plus, there is the possibility of a central government collapse in North Korea of a general war breaks out at the DMZ — which would mean thousands of refugees flooding across the Yalu, many of which would be deserting soldiers armed to the teeth.

Scary stuff.


5 posted on 11/26/2010 1:54:35 AM PST by Ronin ("Dismantle the TSA and send the screeners back to Wal-Mart.")
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To: Reaganite Republican

Too many Asian nations did not spend enough on their military instead relying on eh U.S. to stand up for them. So their standard of living shot up while we shouldered that burden but now we are no longer in shape financially to be the worlds policeman and they may now realize what a perilous place the world still is with a lessened American presence.


6 posted on 11/26/2010 1:56:39 AM PST by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: Reaganite Republican

The progressives will be hard pressed to voice support for their DPRK friends. This continues to be really spooky.


7 posted on 11/26/2010 1:57:18 AM PST by JimSEA
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To: Ronin

I wouldn’t get complacent, they are kind of crazy and paranoid... but for the most part just skilled extortionists

But China could remove the Kims if they chose... they just need to talk to the right people in the military and they’d be gone imho


8 posted on 11/26/2010 1:57:50 AM PST by Reaganite Republican
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To: hoagy62
I really didn’t know what to tell her.

Well, you could always use the old US standby: Whoever attacks us (or our allies) are really peaceful/rightfully aggrieved/put upon/outraged/victims....

Imam Obama will never attack North Korea. They are supplying important material to Iran and other Obama friends.

9 posted on 11/26/2010 1:59:29 AM PST by Hardraade (I want gigaton warheads now!!)
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To: wiggen

Actually, I read South Korea’s military is top notch... really impressive. I don’t think we add that much to the equation but 50K troops, and mostly a strategy role.

Japan too has a lot more ability than most people realize, and could build a nuke in a month if they so decided


10 posted on 11/26/2010 1:59:49 AM PST by Reaganite Republican
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To: hoagy62
Had one of my co-workers ask me this evening if we were going to war over Korea.

Just take a look at what's in the Whitehouse and think again...

Obama North Korea dog

11 posted on 11/26/2010 2:00:41 AM PST by Bon mots ("Anything you say, can and will be construed as racist...")
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To: hoagy62
Unfortunately the current US President is perceived as being weaker then Carter. If North Korea would ever make a move, this is the time. The NK Black Prince has some spurs to earn and his people are starving. Obama on the other hand, is a narcissist with a huge ego that just suffered two big setbacks. A psychologist would have a field day with this situation.
12 posted on 11/26/2010 2:02:19 AM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: Bon mots

Hey... those are epic LOLOL


13 posted on 11/26/2010 2:08:26 AM PST by Reaganite Republican
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To: Reaganite Republican

The threat of internal revolt must be getting really bad in North Korea, now they’ve got to create external threats to refocus the people.


14 posted on 11/26/2010 2:17:23 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, A Matter Of Fact, Not A Matter Of Opinion)
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To: Reaganite Republican
The North would trash the South, but lose and die... period

You make a massive assumption that Barack Hussein Obama would "grow a set" and actually take some kind of meaningful action. I just don't see a scenario that would trigger The One actually taking any real leadership role in this.

AS far as China is concerned - we "Hoped" they would do something when the NKs started lighting off those test nukes... and the silence was deafening.

15 posted on 11/26/2010 2:17:58 AM PST by TheBattman (They exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature...)
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To: Reaganite Republican

Sure. If they want to nuke Pyongyang, they could do it.

But forget slipping any secret agent type in to “eliminate” the Kims.

One thing people always forget is that there is a huge amount of historical animosity between China and Korea — just as there is with Vietnam and numerous other nations that have been either conquered by or under constant danger of being conquered by China.

One of the things that the North Koreans did best, prior to the end of the Cold War, was play the Russians and the Chinese off against each other. OK, they can’t do that now, but do you think it is any accident that despite their “fraternal socialist ties” there are exactly NO Chinese or Russian bases in the DPRK?

The Russians (Soviets) tried numerous times to get access to a port in North Korea and were rebuffed every time. You would think that the Norkies would LOVE to have a few thousand PRC troops in bases along the DMZ for the same reason the ROK likes having US troops on the other side — as a tripwire deterrent to aggression — yet there are none, and the Chinese DPRK border is guarded. Not like the DMZ, obviously, but still guarded.


16 posted on 11/26/2010 2:56:46 AM PST by Ronin ("Dismantle the TSA and send the screeners back to Wal-Mart.")
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To: justa-hairyape

Black Prince......he is not.


17 posted on 11/26/2010 3:00:20 AM PST by bushpilot1
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To: wiggen

“Too many Asian nations did not spend enough on their military instead relying on eh U.S. to stand up for them. So their standard of living shot up while we shouldered that burden but now we are no longer in shape financially to be the worlds policeman and they may now realize what a perilous place the world still is with a lessened American presence.”

Excellent observations...not to mention the embarassingly weak “leadership” we currently have.


18 posted on 11/26/2010 3:05:44 AM PST by Artie
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To: Reaganite Republican

Seems the Norks’ M.O. is too pull a stunt, then bray about it afterwards. As long as they’re ranting, we probably don’t have to worry about escalation.


19 posted on 11/26/2010 3:15:42 AM PST by edpc (It's Kräusened)
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To: Artie
Don't believe ever thing the Communist Mao loving media tells you.

South Korea spends 27 Billion a year on it's defense or
2.8% of it's GDP.

For a tiny country they rank 11th in Military Spending in
the entire world (not gdp but overall budget).

In fact they spend TWICE as much as Israel!

20 posted on 11/26/2010 3:18:37 AM PST by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: edpc

This about extortion, plain and simple. Every few years the North throws a tantrums until someone gives them a great big pile of cash.

When the aid runs out, the fits slowly start up again.

I for one say we make sure they don’t get squat this time around!


21 posted on 11/26/2010 3:24:33 AM PST by Carbonsteel
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To: Artie
Ever = Every

Need coffee......

22 posted on 11/26/2010 3:26:18 AM PST by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: hoagy62

War will be stumbled into if it happens....pray no one makes a mis-calulation...


23 posted on 11/26/2010 3:33:07 AM PST by Dog
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To: Reaganite Republican
Kim is crazy. His boy is stupid and crazy. It's getting ready to go from bad to worse.

Unless China intervenes, there very well may be a short, violent, world-changing conflict, and with our current "leader" we will be weakened even more on the world stage.

24 posted on 11/26/2010 3:45:21 AM PST by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: Reaganite Republican

“with his choice of under-achieving 27-year-old son Kim Jong Un”?
From what I’ve read there are two other boys in the Kim family.
One is not interested in politics and the other is a flaming fag.
So the boobie prize goes to Jong Un.


25 posted on 11/26/2010 3:59:18 AM PST by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) The more I see and know Obammy the more I think he's an a-hole.)
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To: hoagy62

Could be “wag the dog”. Our dear leaders have used that a few times in the past. It might take a little heat away from Zero the Great.


26 posted on 11/26/2010 4:01:05 AM PST by seemoAR
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To: hoagy62
Had one of my co-workers ask me this evening if we were going to war over Korea. I really didn’t know what to tell her.

Tell her the war is here.

27 posted on 11/26/2010 4:01:51 AM PST by Jim Noble (It's the tyranny, stupid!)
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To: Yorlik803

here’s a little music to crap by http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtjvVgNMPtI

hope it works if not i’ll post the old socialist standbys; accordion players :D


28 posted on 11/26/2010 4:05:41 AM PST by MissDairyGoodnessVT (No more oil change for you and no more TIME Magazine covers =^..^=)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

“The threat of internal revolt must be getting really bad in North Korea, now they’ve got to create external threats to refocus the people.”

Sounds like us too. Hmmm.


29 posted on 11/26/2010 4:32:15 AM PST by dljordan ("His father's sword he hath girded on, And his wild harp slung behind him")
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To: MissDairyGoodnessVT

After it was over, the kids were signed as back up players for the Dixie Chicks.


30 posted on 11/26/2010 4:45:46 AM PST by Yorlik803 (better to die on your feet than live on your knees.)
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To: Reaganite Republican

Too many people in this that I don’t trust.

I don’t trust Kim nor his son.
I don’t trust China.
I don’t trust Obama.

Things are getting out of hand to the point that control could be lost.


31 posted on 11/26/2010 4:52:20 AM PST by Venturer
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To: Ronin
Nothing happens in NK without the tacit approval of the PRC. The Chinese have fed, armed and otherwise supported NK for decades and they don't want harm to come to their investment.
In their heart of hearts, the NKs are what the PRC would like to be...
32 posted on 11/26/2010 5:00:14 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (Impeachment !)
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To: Reaganite Republican

The consequences of a Korean War today are economically scarey. Now that the Democrats have forced outsourcing of almost everything, just think of the items made ONLY in South Korea. The first that comes to mind is computer monitors and flat screen TVs. And don’t say, “Oh, mine is from Japan” or “Mine is from Taiwan”. That is where the parts came together. The only place the actual TFT active elements on the LCD glass are made is in Seoul. Could we make them here? Yes, but not for several years and lots of seed money. Can you imagine no monitors or laptops for 4 or 5 years?


33 posted on 11/26/2010 5:01:48 AM PST by BuffaloJack (The Recession is officially over. We are now into Obama's Depression.)
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To: Reaganite Republican

With obama... we are on the brink of surrender.

LLS


34 posted on 11/26/2010 5:13:47 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (WOLVERINES!)
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To: dljordan

Yep, it works almost every time.


35 posted on 11/26/2010 5:18:31 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, A Matter Of Fact, Not A Matter Of Opinion)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
Hope you an yours had a nice Thanksgiving... my family wondered if we would have one next year... we pray so... but it may be MRE’s in foxholes.

LLS

36 posted on 11/26/2010 5:27:28 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (WOLVERINES!)
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To: Reaganite Republican
If the Chinese are serious about being a world leader, now might be a appropriate time to act like it and control their brats before somebody loses an eye... or worse.

For at least four families, worse has left the station.

37 posted on 11/26/2010 5:40:56 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Socialists are to economics what circle squarers are to math; undaunted by reason or derision.)
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To: Reaganite Republican
Enemies of the West are laughing their butts off at this.

"Gee, we're being hit with artillery every other day now. It's almost like we're getting close to the brink of being practically at war."

Feebs.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

38 posted on 11/26/2010 6:18:30 AM PST by The Comedian (Government: Saving people from freedom since time immemorial.)
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To: wiggen

South Korea spends as much as we do on its military. Since it doesn’t have the kind of global commitments we do, the budget is focused on conventional forces, especially ground forces.

South Korea’s army is larger than our army, whether comparing active to active or active + reserve to active + reserve. The South Korean army is about 60 percent of the size of the North Korean army, but it is well-trained, and equipped with contemporary weapon systems. For example, their main battle tank is a slightly down-sized version of our main battle tank, while the North Koreans use cold war era T-62s and T-54s.

With regard to air forces, South Korea’s is vastly superior to North Korea. The South Korean air force has more F-15s and F-16s than the North has M-21s, and M-21s are no match for contemporary war planes. The main way the U.S. would support South Korea would be with intelligence, strategic and naval assets.

Japan and China might both be helpful. While Japan spends a lower percent of GDP on its military, it has a very high GDP. It, like South Korea, focuses its military budget on conventional forces. As a result, it also has a very modern army and air force. It also has a not insignificant navy.

With regard to China, it is something of a wild card. The North cannot count on its support. This doesn’t mean we can. China is in transition from an isolated, communist state to something we cannot be sure what. Hopefully, a fully functioning democracy. But, thus far, an authoritarian state.

We have always held to a “One China” policy, meaning the eventual peaceful reunification of Taiwan and the Mainland. Until the Mainland resolves its transition in favor of democracy, reunification will be resisted even with assurances of continued democracy in Taiwan (what is sometimes called “One China, Three Systems,” meaning different systems for Hong Kong and for Taiwan).

Politics in Taiwan revolves around the issue of reunification. The Nationalist Party favor reunification and is in contact with the People’s Party of China (what a strange development!). The Democratic Party is in favor of independence. What is unrealistic about independence is that Taiwan continued independence depends on support by the U.S. We have been happy to support functional independence for Taiwan as long as the Mainland was communist. But, we have never supported full independence. So, the Democratic Party of Taiwan is just being silly.

BTo get back to the Korea peninsula, our support of eventual reunification of Taiwan and the Mainland would be put into jeopardy were China to intervene during a war on behalf of North Korea. I am supposing something could be worked out to keep China neutral or even to involve it in securing the North Korea-China border area.

Bearing all these things in mind, war would be the end of the North Korean regime. And, artillery and rocket attacks on civilians would make everyone involved into a war criminal in a war they would be bound to lose. If we could assume that the people in charge were rational, we would dismiss this whole thing as saber rattling. But, we cannot make that assumption. Nor can we dismiss the ability of government to order people into even untenable war through the use of indoctrination from birth and terror.

There are times when you have to be strong in the face of evil. This is the 3 AM phone call that Hillary told us would happen during the Democratic primaries of 2008. It is time to man up.


39 posted on 11/26/2010 6:39:20 AM PST by Redmen4ever
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To: Reaganite Republican
...and the Chinese need to act like the leaders they so desperately aspire to be and DO SOMETHING

It won't happen with the current administration, but it seems to me that we have the Chinese by the short hairs at the moment. The one thing that China is desperately afraid of is having a million North Korean refugees fleeing into China. It seems to me that we could force China's hand by a strong show of military force in the region. The Chinese don't want a war in their backyard. They will step up to the plate when it becomes their only option to avoid a war.

40 posted on 11/26/2010 6:43:20 AM PST by Thermalseeker (Stop the insanity - Flush Congress!)
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To: Redmen4ever

China is still behaving as they did in the 1960’s with regards to North Korea vs the west in general. They have something of a free market economy but still maintain,at the upper echelons of government,the communist vs democracy mentality. I have no doubt they enjoy seeing North Korea get away with this stuff and the only thing that will prove me wrong is if they take action against North Korea.


41 posted on 11/26/2010 6:46:18 AM PST by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: Yorlik803

where are the accordion plaayaaass?:D


42 posted on 11/26/2010 11:07:55 AM PST by MissDairyGoodnessVT (No more oil change for you and no more TIME Magazine covers =^..^=)
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