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A Fate That Narcissists Will Hate: Being Ignored
New York Times ^ | November 29, 2010 | Charles Zanor

Posted on 12/01/2010 10:24:22 PM PST by Art in Idaho

The fifth edition of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (due out in 2013, and known as DSM-5) has eliminated five of the 10 personality disorders that are listed in the current edition.

Narcissistic personality disorder is the most well-known of the five, and its absence has caused the most stir in professional circles.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Education; Government; Politics; Science
KEYWORDS: government; obama; president; psychiatry
Hat tip to Beckwith at The Obama File for this one. In 2013, when the DSM-V comes out, Narcissistic Personality Disorder will not be it it! Voila', Obama's NPD will be gone. Zip, nada. He'll then be a paragon of mental health. How's that for power?

In the meantime, remember these traits:

1. Grandiose sense of self-importance.

2. Preoccupation with fantasies of unlimited success, power, beauty, or ideal love.

3. Sense of specialness, belief he can only be understood by or should associate only with other special or high-status individuals or institutions.

4. Need for excessive admiration.

5. Heightened sense of entitlement, leading to unreasonable expectations that others should treat him especially favorably or comply automatically with his expectations.

6. Tendency to be interpersonally exploitive. A person with NPD does not hesitate in taking advantage of others to meet his own ends.

7. Lack of empathy, an inability or unwillingness to recognize or identify with the feelings or needs of others.

8. An envy of other people, or conversely, a belief that other people envy him.

9. A tendency toward arrogant behavior or attitude.

Sound familiar? Obama may have twisted the arms of the Psychiatric establishment to drop NPD, but the illness will continue to be diagnosed by millions of clinicians. We know one when we see one. . .

1 posted on 12/01/2010 10:24:25 PM PST by Art in Idaho
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To: Art in Idaho

Crap! I knew they would diagnose me as having a mental illness. Clearly the people who made this list are out to get me.

Do you think I can parlay this into a big-time payout?


2 posted on 12/01/2010 10:31:08 PM PST by freedumb2003 (FYI: everything I post is IMHO -- YOU JACKWAGON! [no offense -- I just like that word])
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To: Art in Idaho

I’d love to see Liberalism in there.

Conversely, I’m sure they’d love to see Conservatism in there, too. Only problem is, we don’t have an obsession with controlling other peoples’ lives.


3 posted on 12/01/2010 10:36:39 PM PST by wastedyears (It has nothing to do with safety, and everything to do with control.)
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To: All
Two good summary URLs on Obama and NPD Here and Here.

Two more years. . . May God help us all.

4 posted on 12/01/2010 10:37:14 PM PST by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only hope for Western Civilization.)
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To: freedumb2003

Just because you are paranoid doesn’t mean people aren’t out to get you.


5 posted on 12/01/2010 10:40:17 PM PST by irishtenor (All that I say, all that I do, is predestined.)
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To: Art in Idaho

Obama who?


6 posted on 12/01/2010 10:40:51 PM PST by bgill (K Parliament- how could a young man born in Kenya who is not even a native American become the POTUS)
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To: wastedyears
I’d love to see Liberalism in there. Conversely, I’m sure they’d love to see Conservatism in there, too. Only problem is, we don’t have an obsession with controlling other peoples’ lives.

Yes, I think Savage is right when he calls Liberalism a mental disorder. . and yes, Conservatism and Gun-Toting religious Patriot too.

7 posted on 12/01/2010 10:40:51 PM PST by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only hope for Western Civilization.)
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To: irishtenor

>>Just because you are paranoid doesn’t mean people aren’t out to get you<<

Oh they are, they are...


8 posted on 12/01/2010 10:40:56 PM PST by freedumb2003 (FYI: everything I post is IMHO -- YOU JACKWAGON! [no offense -- I just like that word])
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To: wastedyears
I’d love to see Liberalism in there. Conversely, I’m sure they’d love to see Conservatism in there, too. Only problem is, we don’t have an obsession with controlling other peoples’ lives.

Yes, I think Savage is right when he calls Liberalism a mental disorder. . and yes, Conservatism and Gun-Toting religious Patriot too.

9 posted on 12/01/2010 10:40:56 PM PST by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only hope for Western Civilization.)
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To: freedumb2003
"Do you think I can parlay this into a big-time payout?"

There should be some reparations still sitting in Obama's stash.

yitbos

10 posted on 12/01/2010 10:41:47 PM PST by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds." -- Ayn Rand)
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To: Art in Idaho; blondee123

Ping.


11 posted on 12/01/2010 10:42:22 PM PST by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: bgill
Obama who?

LOL, Now that will get his attention!

12 posted on 12/01/2010 10:44:20 PM PST by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only hope for Western Civilization.)
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To: Art in Idaho

Sounds like a lot of liberals I know.


13 posted on 12/01/2010 10:50:44 PM PST by dragonblustar ("... and if you disagree with me, then you sir, are worse than Hitler!" - Greg Gutfeld)
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To: Art in Idaho

bookmark


14 posted on 12/01/2010 10:57:10 PM PST by GOP Poet (Obama is an OLYMPIC failure.)
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To: dragonblustar
Sounds like a lot of liberals I know.

Yes, me too. Hard to argue with them because of the narcissistic traits.

15 posted on 12/01/2010 10:57:10 PM PST by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only hope for Western Civilization.)
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To: Art in Idaho

I wonder if the Narcissist In Chief had anything to do with this?


16 posted on 12/01/2010 10:57:24 PM PST by Niteflyr ("The number one goal in life is to parent yourself" Carl Jung)
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To: Art in Idaho

17 posted on 12/01/2010 10:58:24 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Amber Lamps !"~~)
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To: fieldmarshaldj
Oh,oh, here comes the narcissistic rage. : )
18 posted on 12/01/2010 11:07:40 PM PST by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only hope for Western Civilization.)
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To: Art in Idaho

Posted several times already. I’m still waiting to hear what the other four dropped PDs are.

# (F60.0) Paranoid personality disorder
# (F60.1) Schizoid personality disorder
# (F60.2) Antisocial personality disorder
# (F60.3) Borderline personality disorder
# (F60.4) Histrionic personality disorder
# (F60.5) Anankastic personality disorder
# (F60.6) Anxious (avoidant) personality disorder
# (F60.7) Dependent personality disorder
# (F60.8) Other specific personality disorders
* Passive-aggressive personality disorder


19 posted on 12/01/2010 11:08:13 PM PST by steve86
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To: Niteflyr
I wonder if the Narcissist In Chief had anything to do with this?

Same thought I had. In the 80's and 90's at the Psychiatric meetings, talk of narcissism and NPD were all the rage - now it won't exist. . .

20 posted on 12/01/2010 11:10:53 PM PST by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only hope for Western Civilization.)
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To: wastedyears
But mental illness is societally defined. One culture's "delusions" is another's "visions". One culture's "conversion disorder" is another's "Pauline conversion". One culture's "demonic possssion" is another's "schizophrenia". Et cetera.

In any case, though I am not a mental health professional, I think that the dimensional approach that is in favor among many is setting us backward in understanding.

21 posted on 12/01/2010 11:13:33 PM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: steve86
"Instead of the old ten personality types, DSM-V has simplified the system by cutting them down to just five: Antisocial/Psychopathic, Avoidant, Borderline, Obsessive-Compulsive, and Schizotypal types. Each type comes with a narrative paragraph description." From Here. How they can leave out Paranoid, Histrionic, NPD and Dependent is beyond me. Also, Passive-aggressive is very common.

Also, from the article, "First, the definition of what a personality disorder is, in general, has changed. The proposed revision suggests that instead of a pervasive pattern of thinking/emotionality/behaving, a personality disorder reflects "adaptive failure" involving: "Impaired sense of self-identity" or "Failure to develop effective interpersonal functioning".

Can't have failure now can we. .

22 posted on 12/01/2010 11:25:10 PM PST by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only hope for Western Civilization.)
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To: Art in Idaho

My ex-wife was diagnosed with borderline personality disorder...part of the spectrum of narcissism ...and trust me....narcissism is real ...
there was a move by M. Scott Peck (of Road Less Traveled) to add “malignant narcissistic personality disorder” (basically evil) to the DSM....and now they drop the whole disorder??? Very suspicious...


23 posted on 12/01/2010 11:28:32 PM PST by Niteflyr ("The number one goal in life is to parent yourself" Carl Jung)
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To: Niteflyr
Can't have failure now can we. .

Apparently not...but then that is the liberal mantra...no winners or losers...no feelings getting hurt...

24 posted on 12/01/2010 11:31:02 PM PST by Niteflyr ("The number one goal in life is to parent yourself" Carl Jung)
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To: wastedyears
I’d love to see Liberalism in there.

I was thinking the same thing.

It would be a mis-guided perception of one's own intellect- especially as it pertains to others in the room.

Characterized by a tilted-back-head, and down-the-nose delivery to those perceived to be 'beneath' you. (see Charles Gibson interview with Sarah Palin)

Classical among statists and, especially among those holding conversations with invisible aquaintences on street corners, while often standing near a well-used shopping cart (see Katie Couric 2012 after collapse of NBC).

25 posted on 12/01/2010 11:31:51 PM PST by budwiesest (It's that girl from Alaska, again.)
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To: budwiesest
Classical among statists and, especially among those holding conversations with invisible aquaintences on street corners, while often standing near a well-used shopping cart (see Katie Couric 2012 after collapse of NBC).

Bwahahahahaha...good one..:oP

26 posted on 12/01/2010 11:34:50 PM PST by Niteflyr ("The number one goal in life is to parent yourself" Carl Jung)
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To: Niteflyr
there was a move by M. Scott Peck (of Road Less Traveled) to add “malignant narcissistic personality disorder” (basically evil) to the DSM....and now they drop the whole disorder??? Very suspicious...

Yes, very. From the WH or researchers vs. clinicians? To have it disappear is just impossible imho. It's like saying pneumonia doesn't exist now, just move along. . Something more than meets the eye here. . .

27 posted on 12/01/2010 11:52:08 PM PST by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only hope for Western Civilization.)
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To: Art in Idaho

I don’t think my friend with a clinically diagnosed narcissist for a son is going to agree with this change.


28 posted on 12/01/2010 11:55:17 PM PST by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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To: Art in Idaho

After taking an internal census and finding that all shrinks are narcissists they decided to de-list it as a mental illness. The conference chairman said that “it’s not true” when asked if they had really considered dropping ‘denial’ as a marker for neurotic disorders in general.


29 posted on 12/02/2010 12:05:20 AM PST by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/28/08 and why?)
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To: wastedyears

Liberalism in adults: Adaptive failure ; unable to process fear in a mature manner, leading to the need to control others; masked by grandiose sense of self, leading to the exhibition of an air of elitism~


30 posted on 12/02/2010 12:11:35 AM PST by Niteflyr ("The number one goal in life is to parent yourself" Carl Jung)
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To: Art in Idaho
To have it disappear is just impossible imho. It's like saying pneumonia doesn't exist now, just move along. . Something more than meets the eye here. . .

At the least very suspicious timing....at the other end we have a really serious problem in the White House~

31 posted on 12/02/2010 12:13:41 AM PST by Niteflyr ("The number one goal in life is to parent yourself" Carl Jung)
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To: Art in Idaho

You mean like my brother?


32 posted on 12/02/2010 1:18:47 AM PST by Bullish
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To: Niteflyr

I was looking at the list and was wondering what is borderline disorder. One is just touching the border but not over the line? I get like that when dealing w/liberals.


33 posted on 12/02/2010 1:51:59 AM PST by presently no screen name ("Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down.." Mark 7:13)
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To: Niteflyr

[...and trust me....narcissism is real ]

You better believe it. I know two people with NPD, and it is crippling.


34 posted on 12/02/2010 2:51:20 AM PST by DaxtonBrown (HARRY: Money Mob & Influence (See my Expose on Reid on amazon.com written by me!))
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To: presently no screen name
I was looking at the list and was wondering what is borderline disorder. One is just touching the border but not over the line? I get like that when dealing w/liberals.

Borderline is a separate disorder in the old DSM but falls under, if I remember correctly, somatic disorders including narcissism and histrionic personality disorder...the spectrum from least to most debilitating are phallic narcissism, NPD, borderline, paranoid personality disorder, and pathological personality disorder....

35 posted on 12/02/2010 8:07:14 AM PST by Niteflyr ("The number one goal in life is to parent yourself" Carl Jung)
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To: Niteflyr

Unable to process fear in a mature manner?


36 posted on 12/02/2010 9:18:34 AM PST by wastedyears (It has nothing to do with safety, and everything to do with control.)
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To: Niteflyr

Thanks. Sound more serious than the name. I guess I’m safe and by 2012 I will be totally well. ;)


37 posted on 12/02/2010 9:42:37 AM PST by presently no screen name ("Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down.." Mark 7:13)
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To: All
Proposed changes in DSM-V listed Here.
38 posted on 12/02/2010 10:25:56 AM PST by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only hope for Western Civilization.)
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To: wastedyears
Unable to process fear in a mature manner?

Yeah as in running away screaming like a little girl...

39 posted on 12/02/2010 11:20:10 AM PST by Niteflyr ("The number one goal in life is to parent yourself" Carl Jung)
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To: Niteflyr

Ah I see, flight winning over fight.


40 posted on 12/02/2010 11:22:55 AM PST by wastedyears (It has nothing to do with safety, and everything to do with control.)
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To: Art in Idaho

NPD is incurable, and worse contagious. It’s a mind virus that spreads from host to host.


41 posted on 12/02/2010 11:30:59 AM PST by Reeses
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To: Art in Idaho

Most of the left fit into this catergory...so now once again let them re-write books to hide their mental illnesses.


42 posted on 12/02/2010 11:34:06 AM PST by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: wastedyears

Ever seen liberal fighter??...that is an oxymoron...


43 posted on 12/02/2010 11:35:46 AM PST by Niteflyr ("The number one goal in life is to parent yourself" Carl Jung)
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To: Niteflyr

There’s Liberal fighters all over the place; Rush, Ann, Savage... oh wait, you mean a fighter that’s a Liberal? Nah, never heard of one.


44 posted on 12/02/2010 11:42:39 AM PST by wastedyears (It has nothing to do with safety, and everything to do with control.)
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