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Pressured to donate to United Way
Vanity | 02 December 2010 | Self

Posted on 12/02/2010 6:54:35 AM PST by Ro_Thunder

So, my place of employment has been pressuring us with high-profile donation campaigns for a month or so. Now, I'm getting emails from the Chairman of the Board who has pledged a one-for-one dollar donation, and wants me to be a first time donor.

I have several problems with this, mainly that the United Way nationally does fund Planned Parenthood. Now, locally they say they do not. However, United Way says you can make donations to specific charities. The issue I have with that is does United Way take something of the top for handling these donations? If so, why? And if so, then of course donate specifically to the charity in question rather than UW.

It really bothers me that they have this full court press, it's almost extortion. There's a month full of events (cookies, socializing, and ice cream), on top of a raffle for people who donated (prizes included a Dell Netbook, wireless router, 1 TB external hard drive, and such). Then, the email from the Chairman last night really pushed me - they're keeping track of who donates, obviously by payroll deduction, and now they're hitting up those of us who do not succumb to their pressure.

This is the email I received last year in regards to the question of if UW of Greater Houston supports Planned Parenthood.

This is a direct quote, straight in copy:

"I can only speak for United Way of Greater Houston. There are over 1400 United Ways across the nation. All are separate and autonamous having their own board and serving their own communities. United Way of Greater Houston serves Harris, Waller, Fort Bend and the Bay area.(area around Nasa). Planned Parenthood is not one of our funded agencies."


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Politics
KEYWORDS: charitablegiving; charity; corporatesocialism; cultureofcorruption; defundtheleft; extortion; plannedparenthood; tithing; unitedway
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Thoughts? Is United Way a 'legitimate' vehicle for donations to a wide range of charities, or is it a Ponzi-scheme that takes in the donations, siphons off some, then gives the rest to whatever you specifically choose?
1 posted on 12/02/2010 6:54:39 AM PST by Ro_Thunder
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To: Ro_Thunder

The same thing happened to my mother.

Teachers were told to give and if not, their names were announced.

It is truly appalling


2 posted on 12/02/2010 6:55:42 AM PST by JaneNC (I)
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To: Ro_Thunder

I refuse to donate to any charity which has any employee that makes more than I do, simply because I know that money is going into the pockets of people who do not need it. I’d rather give to my church, or any number of local community groups where I can verify that most of the money is going to help those who are in need.


3 posted on 12/02/2010 6:57:06 AM PST by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: Ro_Thunder
I have been there - I finally gave in and give the minimum of $1 per week.

:-)

4 posted on 12/02/2010 6:57:45 AM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: Ro_Thunder

I refuse.

I give to the charity of my choice, my way.

And yes, it’s extortion.


5 posted on 12/02/2010 6:58:29 AM PST by mom4melody
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To: Ro_Thunder

My advice is to give directly to the charity of your choice, keep the receipt for tax purposes, and show it (with redacted amount) to your boss if he/she presses the point. They don’t give a crap about the United Way; they’re playing a corporate numbers game.


6 posted on 12/02/2010 6:58:47 AM PST by tgusa (Investment plan: blued steel, brass, lead, copper)
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To: Ro_Thunder
This happened to me years ago. I didn't make it an issue of abortion, I simply explained that I don't donate to organizations who pay their executives six-figure salaries and fly them first class around the country.

Just say that you contribute to your charities directly, and don't believe in middlemen skimming your contributions off the top.

7 posted on 12/02/2010 7:00:07 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Ro_Thunder
Yup, I always respond: "My donations are made to the Make-a-Wish Foundation to help dying children to find some happiness in their last days."
8 posted on 12/02/2010 7:00:24 AM PST by theDentist (fybo; qwerty ergo typo : i type, therefore i misspelll)
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To: Ro_Thunder

When I was pressured by my company to donate to United Way, I made a one-time contribution of $1.00.

That gets them off your back as they can proclaim their company is 100%.


9 posted on 12/02/2010 7:00:29 AM PST by ExTexasRedhead
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To: Ro_Thunder

Tell them you don’t support abortion providers and ask if there’s someone else you can give your donation to.

I give to the Boy Scouts.

If push comes to shove and you want to keep your job, donate to whoever and live with it.


10 posted on 12/02/2010 7:00:29 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Ro_Thunder

The United Way has always been a pressured donation from my experience in the ‘70 when I was in the Military and in my civilian jobs with large companies.


11 posted on 12/02/2010 7:00:32 AM PST by Hang'emAll
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To: Ro_Thunder
I always told HR, "My religious beliefs dictate when, how much, and where my charity goes. I'm afraid I'm not allowed to participate in this program". That always shut them up pretty fast.

/johnny

12 posted on 12/02/2010 7:00:39 AM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JaneNC

I find it appalling that companies pressure people to contribute. It makes the company look good in its PR. Otherwise, the company could otherwise not care less.

Yes, you CAN, on your contribution card, specify specific charities. I’ve specified the Boy Scouts, for example. Charities under United Way vary. For example, ultra-left entities are supported in CA, while the Boy Scouts are not. Conversely, in Texas, the Boy Scouts are supported.

Make your decision on what you want to do. But remember, if you’re getting a bulk-mail shot from your bosses’ boss, regretably there may be some reprocussions if you don’t contribute. Sorry, but there it is.


13 posted on 12/02/2010 7:00:39 AM PST by rstrahan
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To: Ro_Thunder

I used to work for a phone company where there was pressure to give to united way. I was in the union at the time and basically said (under my breath) FU, and just ignored them.


14 posted on 12/02/2010 7:01:01 AM PST by samtheman
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To: Ro_Thunder

United Way has a huge overhead, their top person gets paid very well.

Better to donate to the Salvation Army.


15 posted on 12/02/2010 7:01:33 AM PST by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com <--- My Fiction/ Science Fiction Board)
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To: 2banana

Check the list of participating agencies in your area.
In my hometown, small town in Ohio, there is a director who gets a meager salary, but rest are volunteers. I always designated Boy scouts and the local food bank.


16 posted on 12/02/2010 7:01:51 AM PST by Bekki4Bush (looking for sensible leaders)
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To: rstrahan

Marking specific charities on the card means nothing, unless everyone does it. It just means that they redirect the “unmarked money” a little more towards the “unmarked charities” to even it out.

It’s a scam.

Forced charity-giving stinks in God’s nostrils.


17 posted on 12/02/2010 7:03:10 AM PST by samtheman
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To: Ro_Thunder
I get that too with the school system I work for. They want 100%...Tough! I refuse to give to The United Ways since revelations about the high living of its administration, and low percentage of donated funds given to charities arose in the 90s. Neither my wife or I will give a dime to them...

Mike

18 posted on 12/02/2010 7:03:41 AM PST by MichaelP (It's the end of the world as they know it, and I'm so glad!)
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To: JRandomFreeper

I like it!


19 posted on 12/02/2010 7:04:11 AM PST by tgusa (Investment plan: blued steel, brass, lead, copper)
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To: Ro_Thunder

When the United Way stopped supporting the Boy Scouts because of their no-gay-troop-leaders stance, I stopped supporting the United Way.


20 posted on 12/02/2010 7:04:32 AM PST by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: Ro_Thunder
I will NEVER give to the United Way.

At a former employer, we were shamefully intimidated and coerced to contribute.

The employer (at that time) provided no health care plan for workers yet was forcing us to contribute, so disadvantaged/underserved could have medical attention on OUR nickel. (BTW I made so little, I qualified for government assistance, MYSELF-HA!!)

Also, I REALLY resent the overly emotional appeal they make every year when they'd be more credible if they were LESS emotional.

21 posted on 12/02/2010 7:05:20 AM PST by SMARTY (Conforming to non-conformity is conforming just the same.)
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To: Ro_Thunder

Years ago Xerox tried to force me to pay into United Way. I told them I was working directly with the Charity of MY choice and that when I gave them MY money, it went into the charity’s bank account right away.

Then I explained that United Way cheats by playing funny games. Say you promise $10 a month for a year and then change jobs six months later. United Way cooks the books to say that you paid $60 and owe $60, so the net to the charity is $0.

I was TOLD I was wrong and a United Way representative was brought into the discussion who then confirmed the above. Sadly, Xerox then escalated pressure on me. I told Xerox’s campaign manager and the Human Resources rodent that they were trying to coerce me and we should ‘go formal’ under California’s employee law if they wanted to keep pushing.

So after I left Xerox and only use their products reluctantly. So as far as I am concert, both Xerox and the United Way are scum sucking gutter inhabitants.


22 posted on 12/02/2010 7:06:24 AM PST by pikachu (After Monday and Tuesday, even the calender goes W T F !)
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To: rstrahan

The military does it too, both for (in my case) Navy Relief and the UW. Nothing like having your CO ‘suggest’ that 100% giving would be VERY GOOD for the command. I always picked a charity and gave directly to them, avoiding the UW skimming scam.


23 posted on 12/02/2010 7:08:33 AM PST by tgusa (Investment plan: blued steel, brass, lead, copper)
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To: Ro_Thunder
The united way is BS. You have no idea where your money is going.
You may as well donate to the Human fund.


24 posted on 12/02/2010 7:09:53 AM PST by mylife (Opinions ~ $1 Half Baked ~ 50c)
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To: JRandomFreeper
I always told HR, "My religious beliefs dictate when, how much, and where my charity goes. I'm afraid I'm not allowed to participate in this program". That always shut them up pretty fast.

Brilliant move JRF..

HR departments are geldings do to Political Correctness, Diversity, and the "Threat" of any lawsuit that would get into the public sphere that tarnishes the "Corporate Image". The best they can do is run the block to keep out of lawsuits IMHO, that is all they care about.

The potentiality of X Y or Z Corporation on the local news with a Anti Religion Lawsuit has them reaching for the Kayopectate. I had a fellow employee that used to come in late on 3rd shift on Sunday/Monday Mornings. Claimed he need the extra time because of his religious obligations that day. The front line boss would even go their and let it slide....

25 posted on 12/02/2010 7:11:01 AM PST by taildragger ((Palin / Mulally 2012 ))
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To: Ro_Thunder

They dropped the Boy Scouts because they won’t have homosexual scoutmasters. Don’t give to them.


26 posted on 12/02/2010 7:11:44 AM PST by November 2010
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To: Ro_Thunder

I’ve been there before. Sometimes I gave, sometimes I did not (when I did, I directed my contribution but I’ve heard that they just make up the difference by trimming the amount they give that group out of the general fund). I no longer work there.

People need to take to reporting employers that “require” this since it cannot be legally binding for employment.


27 posted on 12/02/2010 7:11:54 AM PST by a fool in paradise (The establishment clause isn't just against my OWN government establishing state religion in America)
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To: ExTexasRedhead

Morning Red,
Yes but what does a company get if they show 100 percent of its employees participated?
Is it ego’s or do they get something out of it?


28 posted on 12/02/2010 7:12:08 AM PST by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) The more I see and know Obammy the more I think he's an a-hole.)
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To: tgusa

“My advice is to give directly to the charity of your choice, keep the receipt for tax purposes, and show it (with redacted amount) to your boss if he/she presses the point.”

I agree. We NEVER give to United Way anymore. They are not trustworthy with that money.


29 posted on 12/02/2010 7:12:25 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: Ro_Thunder

United Way is the only charity organization that is allowed yearly to come into my place of employeement and extort money from the captive audience. And yearly, I don’t give one red cent to them. If I want to give anything to any charity, I do so in my time an my way of choosing, in an amount I feel like giving.

I used to go along with the game until a report aired several years back about how UW was rampant with fraud and how the higher-ups were lining their pockets with other people’s donations. That’s when I quit playing the game. Where I work, there is a move to make each division a 100% participant. Each year, I see to it that we are not. I can not and will not be a victim of legalized extortion. And that’s what UW does. I’m sure UW does some good work but I refuse to subsidize them in any way.


30 posted on 12/02/2010 7:13:41 AM PST by NCC-1701 (HEY, NAZI PELOUSY, ON NOVEMBER 2, WE WILL DRAIN THE SWAMP!)
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To: rstrahan

Back in the late 60’s it was literally a firing offense if you didn’t sign on....I did a one-time thing, since at the time “I” was my favorite charity and needed the bucks to keep my own ass above water.


31 posted on 12/02/2010 7:15:58 AM PST by ErnBatavia (It's not the Obama Administration....it's the "Obama Regime".)
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To: tgusa
They don’t give a crap about the United Way; they’re playing a corporate numbers game.

Up the chain of command, it gets reflected in their own review somewhere. Perhaps they then received a bonus bigger than the salary of the typical employee they are shaking down.

32 posted on 12/02/2010 7:15:58 AM PST by a fool in paradise (The establishment clause isn't just against my OWN government establishing state religion in America)
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To: Ro_Thunder

Email the company and the chairman back informing them that you donate to your own charity, name a pro-life charity, and tell them you will be expecting a dollar-for-dollar matching contribution!


33 posted on 12/02/2010 7:16:23 AM PST by anonsquared
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To: Ro_Thunder

My employer always pushed United Way, at the exclusion of virtually all other charities. After a normal business meeting, a UW presentation would begin, with the implication that we had to sit there and listen. I was proud of one of my buddies who stood up and asked if this was mandatory, or if we could leave. The UW spokesman sheepishly said no, it was voluntary. Several of us got up and walked out.

Later one of the UW coordinators, who I always got along with otherwise, asked me why I wasn’t contributing. I told her I didn’t like being strong-armed. She didn’t talk to me very much after that.


34 posted on 12/02/2010 7:16:49 AM PST by 04-Bravo
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To: Ro_Thunder
I told my former company to go ahead and fire me, I would NEVER donate to uw. They gave me a list of other charities. Two years later,the president of my division tried to pressure me again. I told him I was offended and angry to be accosted at work. He left me alone, but I was moved a few weeks later. Eff them.
35 posted on 12/02/2010 7:17:35 AM PST by Holen1
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To: a fool in paradise

I’ve always suspected that the higher-ups in my corporation received some sort of a spiff (kickback) for the amount of contributions they generated. I could find no other explanation as to why they were so “in my face” about it. There had to be some sort of self-interest involved.


36 posted on 12/02/2010 7:19:47 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Ro_Thunder
I was a loaned executive to a local United Way campaign in the late 1980s the year of the big scandal when it was revealed that national United Way officials were getting million dollar salaries and padding their expense accounts. That put a lot of scrutiny on local United Way affiliates and gave me some direct insight into the workings of local United Ways.

To their credit local United Ways through their Boards of Directors,who are volunteers from the local community, can pretty much direct where local donations will go. Some United Ways also allow designated donations so your contribution can go only to those charities you designate. I saw that many worthwhile groups received United Way support in our area including the Salvation Army.

That said, United Ways in my opinion spend too much on fund raising, offices and paid staff. The Executive Director of the local United Way I worked with was I'm sure being compensated at the level of a large company president and drove a new BMW and certainly didn't buy her clothes at J C Penny. United Way campaigns in larger areas in my opinion tend to be lavish and over the top. I also did not like the rah-rah campaigns that do put peer pressure on donors. A portion of the local United Way dollars also is given to support the national United Way organization.

I have mixed feelings about donating to United Way. In some communities the United Way is a local effort without slick fundraisers and high paid executives and donations are generally spent responsibly. However, in some of the larger United Way agencies I think the overhead costs are exorbitant and you might be better to make your own donations to the charities of your choice.

37 posted on 12/02/2010 7:21:37 AM PST by The Great RJ (The Bill of Rights: Another bill members of Congress haven't read.)
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To: Ro_Thunder
I lost a job after refusing to “donate” to this “Charity”. I was put on every dirty, filthy job they could think up. I finally lost my temper and had a very hot discussion with my boss. I was escorted off the premises. I believe the companies are paid a kickback if there is 100% participation.

Search for William Aramony. You will see where a lot of worker's hard earned money did go to.

38 posted on 12/02/2010 7:22:16 AM PST by seemoAR
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To: Ro_Thunder

Tell them, “Yes, and the drunk on the corner assured me that my contribution would go to food.”
“Money is fungible and I will not support an organization that funds abortion, period!”


39 posted on 12/02/2010 7:22:27 AM PST by G Larry (When you're right, avoid compromise!)
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To: Ro_Thunder

Just say no. That’s all. “No.” Don’t have to explain anything or make any excuses or name other charities you give to. Be firm.

If they push it tell them it’s bordering on workplace harassment and that you are taking notes on the issue and may have to seek remedy. Be careful how you say that. Do not mention the word “legal”, “lawyer”, “court”, “suit” or such.

Do take notes, dates, times, names and a summary of what was said and how it was said. If you are firm, brief, polite and unemotionally firm on the issue it is unlikely to go further.

If they push beyond that level, then do see an employment lawyer and get the free initial consult as to what to do next.


40 posted on 12/02/2010 7:25:26 AM PST by bvw
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To: Ro_Thunder

Here’s the ‘Charity Navigator’ page for Houston’s United Way:
http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=4661

The charity president makes $271K per year.

Hubbies work pushed United Way heavily, he refused - except there was an option for ‘directed funds’ to a guy he knew that the funds would go directly to him - once that man passed away he stopped donating completely to them.


41 posted on 12/02/2010 7:26:12 AM PST by libertarian27 (Ingsoc: Department of Life, Department of Liberty, Department of Happiness)
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To: Ro_Thunder

Dear Boss;

I contribute to charities of my own choosing. Charities with which I am familiar and assured of the legitimate use of funds. While I do understand the great desire of our company to have a good Public Relations appearance, the spamming and near extortion level being employed for the United Way campaign is offensive to my beliefs, my morals, and my ethics.

Please reconsider the manner in which you are handling what should be a voluntary matter of charity.

Respectfully,
XXXXX


42 posted on 12/02/2010 7:29:39 AM PST by EBH ( Whether you eat your bread or see it vanish into a looter's stomach, is an absolute.)
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To: Ro_Thunder

The person who is managing the compaign for your company, dept, whatever will provide for you a form on which you can designate what organization receives your donation. When I worked for CIGNA I always designated HOSPICE because they helped me take care of both of my parents during their final illness.

You can participate without being supportive of planned parenthood. I ALWAYS had to ask for the form though, they’d rather you didn’t designate.


43 posted on 12/02/2010 7:34:02 AM PST by Roses0508
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To: G Larry
Years ago working for a company that was intimidating us to donate to United way, they said we could earmark our donation. But on further investigation I found they kept the same allocation to each charity as before so your donation was replaced by fungible funds. So they were lying. You could not direct your donation to charities you wanted. They decide the allocation.

However, United Way says you can make donations to specific charities. No you can not.

44 posted on 12/02/2010 7:38:28 AM PST by tommix2
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To: Ro_Thunder

Just say ‘NO’.

How hard is that?


45 posted on 12/02/2010 7:39:47 AM PST by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: Ro_Thunder

I wouldn’t give a red cent to them !

The last company I worked for, they were in your face about donating. In fact our managers got bonuses for very high participation. One bad manager I worked for told me if I didn’t donate, he wouldn’t get his bonus and he would remember when it came time for performance reviews.

I still refused to give.


46 posted on 12/02/2010 7:43:40 AM PST by CORedneck
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To: EBH
the spamming and near extortion level being employed for the United Way campaign is offensive to my beliefs, my morals, and my ethics. Not fair to stockholders of company you work for either.
47 posted on 12/02/2010 7:43:59 AM PST by tommix2
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To: Ro_Thunder

Tell them you only donate to the Salvation Army, as 100% of the money goes to help the poor, vs line the pockets of the UW administrators and telemarketers.


48 posted on 12/02/2010 7:45:30 AM PST by GailA (NO JESUS, NO CHRISTmas!)
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To: tgusa
My advice is to give directly to the charity of your choice,

Very good advice.

The same advice would apply to donations to individual candidates instead of supporting the Republican National Committee. They do the same thing that United Way does with Planned Parenthood only they do it with RINOs.

49 posted on 12/02/2010 7:50:39 AM PST by Retired COB (Still mad about Campaign Finance Reform)
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To: Ro_Thunder

I had that same situation a couple of years ago, and I solved it by utilizing their option to donate to a charity of my choice via United Way. I set up a small donation monthly to the NRA. Now it wasn’t a lot of money, and I know that United Way takes a chunk of it, but I snickered at the thought that they would have to send money to the NRA anyway.

A year or so after that, the big UW started fizzling out and is gone from here now.


50 posted on 12/02/2010 7:58:55 AM PST by Bush_Democrat ((Ex-Dem since 2001 *Folding@Home for the Gipper - Join the FReeper Folders*))
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