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Donít Ask, Just Tell: Where Do Potential 2012 Candidates Stand on Gays in the Military?
www.caffeinatedthoughts.com ^ | 12/06/2010 | David Shedlock

Posted on 12/07/2010 8:21:33 AM PST by grassboots.org

The debate is on. The polls are out. It is now time for all the candidates and potential Presidential candidates for 2012 to tell us clearly where they stand on the repeal of DADT (Don't Ask, Don't Tell).

Mike Huckabee was against the repeal in 2007, but did use the hedge word "now" in the quote below (I doubt if he has changed on the issue, however):

I believe this policy works, and I don't think now is the time to change it, because our military commanders tell us it serves it's purpose in preventing the disturbances that occur when it is not adhered to. No member of our armed forces is allowed to behave or display personal characteristics in a way that complicates or interferes with unit function and unity. If our commanders say that this policy improves overall force performance by minimizing disturbances at the unit level then we should not change it, especially not in the middle of a war.
Sarah Palin also thinks we should not repeal DADT "right now" and doesn't think it should even be talked about. But it is being discussed and her voice is needed.

Mitt Romney during the 2007 campaign season said

"Don't ask, don't tell' has worked well. We're in the middle of a conflict. Now is not the time for a change in that regard, and I don't have a policy posture as to allowing gays in the military to serve there openly"
Tim Pawlenty has also taken a "not yet" approach:

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this is a time for leadership, not a wait and see attitude. Lead, don't follow. Don't ask what the polls are saying, just tell us where you....

(Excerpt) Read more at wp.me ...


TOPICS: Government; Military/Veterans; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: 2012race; dadt; dontaskdonttell; homosexualagenda; marines

1 posted on 12/07/2010 8:21:36 AM PST by grassboots.org
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To: grassboots.org

I can think of no single issue that does a better job of separating the patriots from the politicians than this one.

First, let me say that the position of “not yet” is completely untenable. “Not yet” is the answer of a politician, not a patriot.

Either the repeal is a good idea that is value neutral and will not negatively affect the military (in which case it should be done today), or the repeal is a bad idea that is immoral and will negatively affect the military (in which case it never should be done).


2 posted on 12/07/2010 8:28:54 AM PST by Yet_Again
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To: Yet_Again

not yet means the politician wants campaign money from BOTH sides of the issue.

The only acceptable answer is “no admission of homosexuals in the military”


3 posted on 12/07/2010 8:47:15 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: grassboots.org

I guess no none wants to go back to the older standard, where gays were just kicked out, ie, pre don’t ask, don’t tell.


4 posted on 12/07/2010 8:47:59 AM PST by ConservativeDude
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To: Yet_Again
Romney has supposedly changed his view on this issue, but he doesn't tell us why, like all the rest of his "changes" it seems to be based on which election that he is running in.

Mitt Romney:"One issue I want to clarify concerns President Clinton’s “don’t ask, don’t tell, don’t pursue” military policy. I believe that the Clinton compromise was a step in the right direction. I am also convinced that it is the first of a number of steps that will ultimately lead to gays and lesbians being able to serve openly and honestly in our nation’s military. That goal will only be reached when preventing discrimination against gays and lesbians is a mainstream concern, which is a goal we share."

5 posted on 12/07/2010 8:53:18 AM PST by ansel12
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To: Yet_Again

Yet again, you have spoken wisely.


6 posted on 12/07/2010 9:18:03 AM PST by grassboots.org
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To: ConservativeDude

I could go back there, but I am not sure how it was much different. I think they asked the enlistee about their “preferences”, I doubt if they did much investigation. Homosexuals probably lied, as they do now.

It is possible someone who had never acted on his or her impulses (and who might grow out of it as they matured) would unnecessarily self-exclude. But it is also possible I don’t understand the mindset, either; and unless they are certain they aren’t homosexual perhaps they should self-exclude.

It is also possible I don’t understand the old policy, well. In fact, I am sure I don’t.


7 posted on 12/07/2010 9:24:00 AM PST by grassboots.org
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To: ansel12

Thanks for the HT, I have added this to the original post on Caffeinated Thoughts.


8 posted on 12/07/2010 9:42:05 AM PST by grassboots.org
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To: grassboots.org

For that you better have the source.

http://www.massresistance.org/docs/marriage/romney/record/RomneyLogCabinLetter.pdf


9 posted on 12/07/2010 9:53:26 AM PST by ansel12
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To: grassboots.org

Sarah has been rather quiet on this topic. She Facebooks constantly but leaves this off the table. I wonder why? Son gay? Who knows. I know that she has gay friends that she spoke about during the debates when gay marriage was discussed....she is against gay marriage, but many people are against gay marriage but “for” gays in the military. I really wish she would say something on this topic.


10 posted on 12/07/2010 10:56:17 AM PST by napscoordinator
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To: napscoordinator

me, too.


11 posted on 12/07/2010 12:06:01 PM PST by grassboots.org
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To: ansel12

Thanks. I actually linked to the NT Times article with the same quote.


12 posted on 12/07/2010 12:06:53 PM PST by grassboots.org
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Yes, let's hear all the Repugs on this issue. And, Mittens, it has NOT WORKED WELL! DADT does indeed need to be scrapped - and the old standard of "no homosexuals at all and yes we will ask and yes you will tell!!!" brought back.

13 posted on 12/07/2010 1:11:43 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.CSLewis)
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To: ConservativeDude
I guess no none wants to go back to the older standard, where gays were just kicked out, ie, pre don’t ask, don’t tell.That standard absolutely needs to be brought back.
14 posted on 12/07/2010 1:17:01 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.CSLewis)
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To: Yet_Again
I can think of no single issue that does a better job of separating the patriots from the politicians than this one.

I agree -the issue separates the moral relative spineless RINOS form the true conservative patriots...

First, let me say that the position of “not yet” is completely untenable. “Not yet” is the answer of a politician, not a patriot.

Agreed. Not yet is not an answer. I await the "never repeal", in fact, I await the let's get back to reality -the way it was and had been since the founding and establishment of the military. Roll back the leftist policies until they are no more...

15 posted on 12/07/2010 2:12:16 PM PST by DBeers (†)
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