Skip to comments.Somebody Please Blow the Whistle in Hawaii!!
Posted on 12/07/2010 2:12:55 PM PST by Hotlanta Mike
[ED Note: As I have stated the HDOH Staff member expressly stated their seal is an embossment.
"Embossing (paper), the raising of paper and other non-metal products."
Obama's seal is not raised, it is impressed into the back of the COLB. It seems a little thing, but it is a legal thing.]
[Ed Note: I want to be sure everyone understands what has happened:
Dr. Fukino has resigned or been fired. I received an autoreply telling me SEVEN minutes after I sent her a UIPA request this evening. An autoreply doesn't take seven minutes and I believe she quit on the spot. An email I sent her earlier went through with no problem.
The UIPA request that, in my opinon, prompted her to leave was/is the proof that Obama certified his own COLB with a phony seal that is SO different from the official HDOH seal, it is probably not criminal that he had the seal produced and spread it around online.
(Excerpt) Read more at obamasgarden.wordpress.com ...
I'm now looking forward to the wild rationalizations for why Fukino’s story won't change and there still won't be any proof for any of this.
Fukino quit? I wouldn’t doubt it. MissTickly probably drove her to insanity.
Danae - FYI, MissTickly includes one of your pictures of your documents.
An x Election official did blow the whisle...no BC in HI for him
An autoreply could indeed take 7 minutes. Many mail service systems have time delays in the store and forward services. I used to send email to my secretary and note that it sometimes was delayed 10 minutes to get to her desk outside my office.
Without passing judgment on any of the other points, it needs to be explained:
Autoreplies can take seven minutes to arrive. Email typically goes through a series of servers, and can be queued up for some amount of time at each.
The Dept. of Health may have a gateway that scans incoming email for viruses or other malware, and I've seen that back up corporate mail systems for hours under heavy load.
One thing that would help: look at the headers in the message. It will at least give you an indication of how long it took for the reply to make its way back to you. Unfortunately, it probably won't contain the headers for your original message after it arrived at the DoH's server.
I bet MissTickly’s latest FOI request letter read:
Include any information that explains any absence or lack of any information in regards to any documents that do or do not provide for information related to or not related to Barack Obamas alleged birth in Hawaii. Including any document that doesnt not preclude any other items that may have been used to determine any decision ever made by the Hawaiian DOH regarding documents released that doesnt refrain from disincluding other information that hasnt not been requested prior to next Thursday
You know it did. And that’s when Fukino ran screaming from the building ...
Oh God. Can Polarik be far behind??
Yea. I suppose she is saying its fake or something? Sigh. I am so tired of all this. Hawaii is so corrupt that there is no place of honor or integrity to start at.
It’s now at the top of the article.
“[Ed. Note: For the record, I called the Omsbudsmans office was told that with the new administration coming in, Fukino left.]”
We’re supposed to read the article?
Remember Pearl Harbor Day.....
Amazing. A fifty year conspiracy that can exert enough pressure to threaten the SCOTUS justices, Dick Cheney and GWB, that has enough resources to cause global economic meltdown and has tentacles that reach into all levels of the gubmint and they go and blow it by using a 50 cent u-seal kit for kids. Whodathunkit?
They mentioned my name!
Well, you earned your paycheck this week. :)
You’re giving a better description of how the HI DOH has responded to simple requests. I understand your desperation. I guess you’re waiting on new talking points before you can actually try to rebut what the OP is describing.
I am desperate.
I guess it will all come crashing down now for Obama, eh?
I bought a birther "countdown clock" to keep track of the few remaining days of the Obama Presidency.(I have to keep resetting it.) I bought it from a lefty who used it as a Karl Rove frogmarch "countdown clock" and then as a Bush/Cheney war criminals "countdown clock". He bought it from someone who used it during Clinton's first term as an Al Gore Presidency "countdown clock". He got it from a guy who used it as an October Surprise "countdown clock" for both Reagan and Bush 41...
Well, the little Obot trolls sure infested this thread.
The Gang of Obama Faithers or ‘GOOFs’ for short. They were dispatched en masse for this one.
Nope. All meat. Sorry!
And now we know how she REALLY feels.
I am starting to think that MT is the plant.
This is an update from MT’s website - - -
[*UPDATE 2: I see the familiar Obot Obfuscators are out in full force, pretending to play ‘devil’s advocates,’ pushing their phony seals, and claiming more credibility as anonymous yahoos commenting online than records granted under Open Records Law and disclosed directly from the Hawaii Department of Health—records which are consistent with the description of the seal in the Title 11-1 Administrative rules.
As if we don’t have better judgment. Arm yourselves with info and stand strong to shout them down.
And don’t be fooled when one Obot vouches for the credibility of another to convince you. Fact: They are all still anonymous yahoos. There is a coordinated effort online to drive this story away from this post. Far away. And fast.
Added 12/5: **MAKE NO MISTAKE, these Obot plants will really, really insist they and other Obot plants are credible, sweet, “patriotic” citizens.**
Ask yourselves, would you go so far as to VOUCH for the credibility of anyone you met or encountered online including commenters you really like? I have to question the judgment of people who would. How do they know?
Personally, I wouldn’t VOUCH for the credibility of people I have met online and even provided my real name.
She also says - - -
The HDOH released an image of their embossed seal and it is clearly inconsistent with every online image of an alleged HDOH embossed seal having any clarity that I have seen. ....... One thing I will say is that I do not have confidence in any online image of a Certificate or Certification of Live Birth allegedly issued from Hawaii bearing a seal that is entirely inconsistent with what the department provided me.
MT alleges that she is right and everyone else is an obot. This based on a document she received from the HDOH. The same agency she has accused of lying to her for two years.
Danae, I believe that you are the truthful one and that your documents are authentic. My family COLBs back you up.
She’s either a plant or she’s lost her little marbles. Maybe both?
Now we know why Donofrio cut her loose. He figured out her elevator didn’t go all the way to the top.
She is exceptionally tenacious and very intelligent. However she isn’t always tenacious about the right things.
That right there can be a problem when a person like that refuses to see that they went in the wrong direction.
They take it personal, as if that one mistake ruins the body of their work. Its ridiculous, but there it is.
Shes either a plant or shes lost her little marbles. Maybe both?
Now we know why Donofrio cut her loose. He figured out her elevator didnt go all the way to the top.
I don’t know what an electronic copy of the HDOHs embossed seal is but it looks like a rubber stamp impression to me. I have Hawaii COLBs for family members and the seal doesn’t look anything like that.
There are no lines at all because the entire image is comprised of tiny indented horizontal bars or dashes. Like in this photo.
If MT had an official COLB for comparison she’d know that.
According to here
The new “Acting Director” is Keith R. Ridley.
There are no news releases concerning the resignation of Fukino.
Without more information, the resignation could be for any reason IMHO.
She posted the rules that described the embossed seal. Those COLBs that have been posted don’t match what the offiicial rules say the seal is supposed to look like.
I have certified family COLBs from Hawaii that I acquired in 2008. They all contain the DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH - STATE OF HAWAII EMBOSSED seal. There is an old Chinese saying, a picture is worth a thousand words.
a) The official seal of the department of health shall be circular in shape, two and one-fourth inches in diameter. At the curve on the top portion there shall be the words "DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH" and at the curve on the bottom portion there shall be the words "STATE OF HAWAII." At the curve on each side portion shall be a star. In the center of the seal shall be the Caduceus, a winged rod entwined with two serpents, which has long been recognized as a universal symbol of medicine. The Caduceus shall be encircled by an indentation, which shall separate it from the words "DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH" and "STATE OF HAWAII." For illustrative purposes, a black and white drawing of the official seal is attached at the end of this section as Exhibit "A," titled "Seal of the Department of Health," and dated November 1, 1988, and made a part of this section.
More developing at MissTickley's blog !
At this point, anyone still defending 0thugga is a paid operative.
Yup, there’s a few of them right here.
Gov. Elect-Abercrombie and Lt. Gov.-Elect Brian Schatz were sworn in at 12 p.m. Dec. 6.
Miss Tickley’s auto-reply was later that same day...
From: Fukino, Chiyome L.
Sent: Mon, December 6, 2010 8:53:00 PM
Subject: Out of Office AutoReply: UIPA Request State and National guidelines etc. pertaining to seal
Out of Office AutoReply: UIPA Request State and National guidelines etc. pertaining to seal
I am no longer with the Department of Health. Please send emails to firstname.lastname@example.org. Thank you.
Perhaps Fukino gave up ‘the official DOH seal’ information as a parting gift, knowing full well it would be the last trickle out of that department?
Isn’t she “first” a Hillary plant???
I fully agree!!!
Yes, actually, she is one of the first PUMA’s I think.
I seem to remember her talking about Texas at one point, so yes she was, and I assume still is, a Hillary Supporter.
My Hawaii DOH COLBs are similar to the second image posted above at comment #6 by UCANSEE2. This shows the backside of the document and the imprint is placed above the date. You can read DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH across the top and STATE OF HAWAII across the bottom.
AND this one with the name Michelle closely resembles mine.
Keep in mind that this is the front of the document but the seal was imprinted to the backside. The image of the seal is therefore reversed.
As is noticeable in these documents, the image and the letters on mine are comprised of tiny indented horizontal bars or dashes and are not lines as it appears on the black and white drawing. Truthfully, the actual shape and positioning of the indented horizontal bars on my documents most closely resemble those pictured in the OBAMA COLB (the third image at post #6). The letters are wide, not narrow. The words DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH fill more than half of the circle. There are no definite images of stars, only what appears to be a single horizontal bar, possibly representing each star. Referring to the numbers on a clock, the single bars are located at 8:00 and 4:00. STATE OF HAWAII appears across the lower quadrant. You can feel the bumpy indentations on the front of the document but not on the back. If MissTickly actually had a certified COLB she would know this.
The black and white drawing clearly shows distinct letter formations. Most apparent is the shorter space of the words DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH and the star images are at 9:00 and 3:00. The positioning and size of the letters and stars just dont coincide with the other images.
I am in no way attempting to verify the example COLBs or defend the Obana COLB. I am merely using them to describe my own documents. I have always suspected that the Obama COLBs are forgeries but this black and white drawing in no way proves that Obamas seal is a fake. I believe that MissTickly and I both share the heartfelt desire to prove that Obama is a fraud. I just strongly feel that it is an irrational assumption to vehemently claim that all Hawaii COLBs posted on the internet are fakes based on that drawing. It is self righteous to disparage those people who posted them by insinuating they are ALL liars and deceivers.
In my opinion, the most glaring evidence that something is fishy with the Obama COLBs can be seen without the benefit of forensic evidence. It has to do with the horizontal folds in the paper, are lack thereof. My documents have creases from folding the document and receipt in a precise manner before being placed in the mailing envelope.
Obamas COLB was first posted at his website. Notice that there are no folds in the document. http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate.html
But they mysteriously appear later in the factcheck.org COLB
Obviously, these photos are not of the same document. One or both COLBs are fakes. Why would Obama provide a fake COLB if he had a real one? The Hawaii DOH has never stated that the fightthesmears or factcheck COLBs were issued by their department. Is it because they didnt issue them? Probably. But now that Obamas crony is the governor and he appoints his people to be in charge at the DOH, who knows what kind of shenanigans will take place.
I think we have to go by the best available evidence, which isn’t much. The administrative rules ... posted at the DOH site ... are very compelling. A bunch of anonymous COLBs are not. I know there’s one anomaly that only appeared on the Obama COLB, which I mentioned at one of the sites where Polarik used to post, and then magically new COLBs appeared shortly thereafter with the same anomaly I pointed out. The common denominator for these newer COLBs was Polarik. It was a little too convenient. I can’t conclusively say these newer COLBs aren’t genuine, but there’s no way of proving they ARE genuine.
As for Polarik, I always felt like he was too entrenched in trying to be the one and only guy to prove Obama’s COLB was forged. Either that, or he was trying to create a cover for being on the opposite side of what he claimed. Either way, he’s made himself an unreliable source.
I agree the factlack dot org COLB does not match the original scans from Tommy Vietor. The folds aren’t the clincher, but the paper itself and a mismatching date stamp. Moreover, the EXIF data, which was scrubbed, points to guilty consciences at factlack, not to mentions problems with their story and integrity.
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