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Somebody Please Blow the Whistle in Hawaii!!
Obama's Garden ^ | December 7, 2010 | misstickly

Posted on 12/07/2010 2:12:55 PM PST by Hotlanta Mike

[ED Note: As I have stated the HDOH Staff member expressly stated their seal is an embossment.

"Embossing (paper), the raising of paper and other non-metal products."

Obama's seal is not raised, it is impressed into the back of the COLB. It seems a little thing, but it is a legal thing.]

[Ed Note: I want to be sure everyone understands what has happened:

Dr. Fukino has resigned or been fired. I received an autoreply telling me SEVEN minutes after I sent her a UIPA request this evening. An autoreply doesn't take seven minutes and I believe she quit on the spot. An email I sent her earlier went through with no problem.

The UIPA request that, in my opinon, prompted her to leave was/is the proof that Obama certified his own COLB with a phony seal that is SO different from the official HDOH seal, it is probably not criminal that he had the seal produced and spread it around online.

(Excerpt) Read more at obamasgarden.wordpress.com ...


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; certifigate; hawaii; naturalborncitizen; obama
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"Obama's seal is so devilishly clever yet so radically different than a legal seal conforming to NATIONAL standards that NO official to which it would be PHYSICALLY presented, would accept it because it clearly does not conform to NATIONAL standards for the seals that are authorized to be used to certify legal birth certificates. "
1 posted on 12/07/2010 2:13:00 PM PST by Hotlanta Mike
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To: Hotlanta Mike
The stupid... it burns...

I'm now looking forward to the wild rationalizations for why Fukino’s story won't change and there still won't be any proof for any of this.

2 posted on 12/07/2010 2:17:04 PM PST by El Sordo (The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.)
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To: Hotlanta Mike

bump.


3 posted on 12/07/2010 2:20:59 PM PST by rambo316 (Rush is Right, Odumbo is an Imposter.)
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To: Hotlanta Mike; Danae

Fukino quit? I wouldn’t doubt it. MissTickly probably drove her to insanity.

Danae - FYI, MissTickly includes one of your pictures of your documents.


4 posted on 12/07/2010 2:22:15 PM PST by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind.)
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To: Hotlanta Mike

An x Election official did blow the whisle...no BC in HI for him


5 posted on 12/07/2010 2:24:12 PM PST by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: Hotlanta Mike
I'm from the SHOW ME STATE, so...

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/06/the-missing-oba.html

http://www.barack-obama-photos.com/Obama-Birth-Certificate-Photos.html

http://www.ickypeople.com/2009/08/barack-obamas-birth-certificate-see-for.html

6 posted on 12/07/2010 2:24:24 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: Hotlanta Mike

Image Hosted by ImageShack.us

7 posted on 12/07/2010 2:25:30 PM PST by MarineBrat (Better dead than red!)
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To: Hotlanta Mike
An autoreply doesn't take seven minutes

An autoreply could indeed take 7 minutes. Many mail service systems have time delays in the store and forward services. I used to send email to my secretary and note that it sometimes was delayed 10 minutes to get to her desk outside my office.

8 posted on 12/07/2010 2:26:36 PM PST by the_Watchman (Healthcare reform was never about health.)
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To: Hotlanta Mike
Dr. Fukino has resigned or been fired. I received an autoreply telling me SEVEN minutes after I sent her a UIPA request this evening. An autoreply doesn't take seven minutes and I believe she quit on the spot. An email I sent her earlier went through with no problem.

Without passing judgment on any of the other points, it needs to be explained:

Autoreplies can take seven minutes to arrive. Email typically goes through a series of servers, and can be queued up for some amount of time at each.

The Dept. of Health may have a gateway that scans incoming email for viruses or other malware, and I've seen that back up corporate mail systems for hours under heavy load.

One thing that would help: look at the headers in the message. It will at least give you an indication of how long it took for the reply to make its way back to you. Unfortunately, it probably won't contain the headers for your original message after it arrived at the DoH's server.

9 posted on 12/07/2010 2:29:09 PM PST by justlurking (The only remedy for a bad guy with a gun is a good WOMAN (Sgt. Kimberly Munley) with a gun)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

I bet MissTickly’s latest FOI request letter read:

“Include any information that explains any absence or lack of any information in regards to any documents that do or do not provide for information related to or not related to Barack Obama’s alleged birth in Hawaii. Including any document that doesn’t not preclude any other items that may have been used to determine any decision ever made by the Hawaiian DOH regarding documents released that doesn’t refrain from disincluding other information that hasn’t not been requested prior to next Thursday…”


10 posted on 12/07/2010 2:38:38 PM PST by El Sordo (The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.)
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To: Hotlanta Mike
Dr. Fukino was appointed by Governor Lingle, so it might make sense that she would leave her office when Abercrombie takes office?

Gov.-Elect Abercrombie has announced 11 department directors and four deputy directors. Department directors will have to be confirmed by the State Senate.

11 posted on 12/07/2010 2:40:45 PM PST by smokingfrog ( ><{{{{{(0>)
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To: El Sordo

You know it did. And that’s when Fukino ran screaming from the building ...


12 posted on 12/07/2010 2:43:09 PM PST by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind.)
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To: Hotlanta Mike

Oh God. Can Polarik be far behind??


13 posted on 12/07/2010 2:46:57 PM PST by Hardraade (I want gigaton warheads now!!)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

Yea. I suppose she is saying its fake or something? Sigh. I am so tired of all this. Hawaii is so corrupt that there is no place of honor or integrity to start at.


14 posted on 12/07/2010 2:47:11 PM PST by Danae (Anail nathrach, orth' bhais's bethad, do chel denmha)
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To: smokingfrog

It’s now at the top of the article.

“[Ed. Note: For the record, I called the Omsbudsman’s office was told that with the new administration coming in, Fukino left.]”


15 posted on 12/07/2010 2:47:23 PM PST by El Sordo (The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.)
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To: Hotlanta Mike
Mike Huckabee: “If we want to keep our nation's secrets 'SECRET,'
store them where President Obama stores his college transcripts and birth certificate.
" ?


16 posted on 12/07/2010 2:52:01 PM PST by Diogenesis ('Freedom is the light of all sentient beings.' - Optimus Prime)
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To: El Sordo

We’re supposed to read the article?

;-)


17 posted on 12/07/2010 2:54:41 PM PST by smokingfrog ( ><{{{{{(0>)
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To: Hotlanta Mike

Remember Pearl Harbor Day.....


18 posted on 12/07/2010 2:55:35 PM PST by rolling_stone ( *this makes Watergate look like a kiddie pool*)
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To: Hotlanta Mike

Amazing. A fifty year conspiracy that can exert enough pressure to threaten the SCOTUS justices, Dick Cheney and GWB, that has enough resources to cause global economic meltdown and has tentacles that reach into all levels of the gubmint and they go and blow it by using a 50 cent u-seal kit for kids. Whodathunkit?


19 posted on 12/07/2010 4:02:01 PM PST by Natufian (t)
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To: smokingfrog

YAY!

They mentioned my name!


20 posted on 12/07/2010 4:42:32 PM PST by El Sordo (The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.)
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To: El Sordo

Well, you earned your paycheck this week. :)


21 posted on 12/07/2010 6:07:08 PM PST by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind.)
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To: El Sordo

You’re giving a better description of how the HI DOH has responded to simple requests. I understand your desperation. I guess you’re waiting on new talking points before you can actually try to rebut what the OP is describing.


22 posted on 12/07/2010 9:23:47 PM PST by edge919
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To: edge919

Sure.

I am desperate.

Soooo desperate.

I guess it will all come crashing down now for Obama, eh?


23 posted on 12/07/2010 9:42:40 PM PST by El Sordo (The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.)
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To: El Sordo
I guess it will all come crashing down now for Obama, eh?

I bought a birther "countdown clock" to keep track of the few remaining days of the Obama Presidency.(I have to keep resetting it.) I bought it from a lefty who used it as a Karl Rove frogmarch "countdown clock" and then as a Bush/Cheney war criminals "countdown clock". He bought it from someone who used it during Clinton's first term as an Al Gore Presidency "countdown clock". He got it from a guy who used it as an October Surprise "countdown clock" for both Reagan and Bush 41...

24 posted on 12/07/2010 10:14:31 PM PST by Tex-Con-Man
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To: Danae
You're an Obot plant? ...like a geranium or a chrysanthemum?
25 posted on 12/07/2010 10:23:12 PM PST by Tex-Con-Man
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To: edge919

Well, the little Obot trolls sure infested this thread.


26 posted on 12/07/2010 11:59:15 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel

The Gang of Obama Faithers or ‘GOOFs’ for short. They were dispatched en masse for this one.


27 posted on 12/08/2010 12:31:07 AM PST by edge919
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To: Tex-Con-Man

Nope. All meat. Sorry!

LOL


28 posted on 12/08/2010 8:21:12 AM PST by Danae (Anail nathrach, orth' bhais's bethad, do chel denmha)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

And now we know how she REALLY feels.

I am starting to think that MT is the plant.


29 posted on 12/08/2010 8:23:10 AM PST by Danae (Anail nathrach, orth' bhais's bethad, do chel denmha)
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To: Danae

Danae,
This is an update from MT’s website - - -

[*UPDATE 2: I see the familiar Obot Obfuscators are out in full force, pretending to play ‘devil’s advocates,’ pushing their phony seals, and claiming more credibility as anonymous yahoos commenting online than records granted under Open Records Law and disclosed directly from the Hawaii Department of Health—records which are consistent with the description of the seal in the Title 11-1 Administrative rules.
As if we don’t have better judgment. Arm yourselves with info and stand strong to shout them down.
And don’t be fooled when one Obot vouches for the credibility of another to convince you. Fact: They are all still anonymous yahoos. There is a coordinated effort online to drive this story away from this post. Far away. And fast.
Added 12/5: **MAKE NO MISTAKE, these Obot plants will really, really insist they and other Obot plants are credible, sweet, “patriotic” citizens.**
Ask yourselves, would you go so far as to VOUCH for the credibility of anyone you met or encountered online including commenters you really like? I have to question the judgment of people who would. How do they know?
Personally, I wouldn’t VOUCH for the credibility of people I have met online and even provided my real name.
#####

She also says - - -
The HDOH released an image of their embossed seal and it is clearly inconsistent with every online image of an alleged HDOH embossed seal having any clarity that I have seen. ....... One thing I will say is that I do not have confidence in any online image of a Certificate or Certification of Live Birth allegedly issued from Hawaii bearing a seal that is entirely inconsistent with what the department provided me.
########

MT alleges that she is right and everyone else is an obot. This based on a document she received from the HDOH. The same agency she has accused of lying to her for two years.

Danae, I believe that you are the truthful one and that your documents are authentic. My family COLBs back you up.


30 posted on 12/08/2010 10:27:38 AM PST by Jonah Vark (Any 5th grader knows that the Constitution declares the separation of powers.)
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To: Danae

She’s either a plant or she’s lost her little marbles. Maybe both?

Now we know why Donofrio cut her loose. He figured out her elevator didn’t go all the way to the top.


31 posted on 12/08/2010 11:05:53 AM PST by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind.)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

She is exceptionally tenacious and very intelligent. However she isn’t always tenacious about the right things.

That right there can be a problem when a person like that refuses to see that they went in the wrong direction.

They take it personal, as if that one mistake ruins the body of their work. Its ridiculous, but there it is.


32 posted on 12/08/2010 4:30:07 PM PST by Danae (Anail nathrach, orth' bhais's bethad, do chel denmha)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

She’s either a plant or she’s lost her little marbles. Maybe both?
Now we know why Donofrio cut her loose. He figured out her elevator didn’t go all the way to the top.


I agree.

I don’t know what an electronic copy of the HDOH’s embossed seal is but it looks like a rubber stamp impression to me. I have Hawaii COLBs for family members and the seal doesn’t look anything like that.

There are no lines at all because the entire image is comprised of tiny indented horizontal bars or dashes. Like in this photo.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2606951/posts?page=1848#1848

If MT had an official COLB for comparison she’d know that.


33 posted on 12/08/2010 4:45:25 PM PST by Jonah Vark (Any 5th grader knows that the Constitution declares the separation of powers.)
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To: Hotlanta Mike

According to here

http://hawaii.gov/health/

The new “Acting Director” is Keith R. Ridley.

There are no news releases concerning the resignation of Fukino.

Without more information, the resignation could be for any reason IMHO.


34 posted on 12/08/2010 5:54:01 PM PST by SteveH (First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win.)
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To: Jonah Vark

She posted the rules that described the embossed seal. Those COLBs that have been posted don’t match what the offiicial rules say the seal is supposed to look like.


35 posted on 12/08/2010 10:13:50 PM PST by edge919
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To: edge919

I have certified family COLBs from Hawaii that I acquired in 2008. They all contain the DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH - STATE OF HAWAII EMBOSSED seal. There is an old Chinese saying, a picture is worth a thousand words.


36 posted on 12/09/2010 12:12:51 AM PST by Jonah Vark (Any 5th grader knows that the Constitution declares the separation of powers.)
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To: Jonah Vark
What picture?? Does it match what the rules say??

a) The official seal of the department of health shall be circular in shape, two and one-fourth inches in diameter. At the curve on the top portion there shall be the words "DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH" and at the curve on the bottom portion there shall be the words "STATE OF HAWAII." At the curve on each side portion shall be a star. In the center of the seal shall be the Caduceus, a winged rod entwined with two serpents, which has long been recognized as a universal symbol of medicine. The Caduceus shall be encircled by an indentation, which shall separate it from the words "DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH" and "STATE OF HAWAII." For illustrative purposes, a black and white drawing of the official seal is attached at the end of this section as Exhibit "A," titled "Seal of the Department of Health," and dated November 1, 1988, and made a part of this section.

link to rules posted on Hawaii.gov website

37 posted on 12/09/2010 9:58:09 AM PST by edge919
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To: LucyT; rxsid; hoosiermama
Ka-Pingggggg.......

More developing at MissTickley's blog !

38 posted on 12/09/2010 5:12:41 PM PST by urtax$@work (The best ki,nd of memorial is a Burning Memorial.........)
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To: Tex-Con-Man
Hey!! I can use a President Sarah Palin countdown clock! Do you know where I can get one?

-PJ

39 posted on 12/09/2010 5:21:00 PM PST by Political Junkie Too ("Comprehensive" reform bills only end up as incomprehensible messes.)
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To: urtax$@work; Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!; GQuagmire; wintertime; Fred Nerks; null and void; ...
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. . . . SP's in a frenzy.

More developing at MissTickley's blog !

[Thanks, urtax$@work.]

40 posted on 12/09/2010 5:38:44 PM PST by LucyT (Get the US out of the UN, and the UN out of the US.)
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To: Red Steel

At this point, anyone still defending 0thugga is a paid operative.


41 posted on 12/09/2010 6:04:46 PM PST by LucyT (Get the US out of the UN, and the UN out of the US.)
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To: Hotlanta Mike

ping


42 posted on 12/09/2010 6:19:01 PM PST by wintertime (Re: Obama, Rush Limbaugh said, "He was born here." ( So? Where's the proof?))
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To: LucyT

Yup, there’s a few of them right here.


43 posted on 12/09/2010 6:28:26 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Hotlanta Mike; maggief; STARWISE; butterdezillion; Danae; Red Steel; Fred Nerks

Gov. Elect-Abercrombie and Lt. Gov.-Elect Brian Schatz were sworn in at 12 p.m. Dec. 6.


Miss Tickley’s auto-reply was later that same day...

“From: “Fukino, Chiyome L.”
To: [Redacted]
Sent: Mon, December 6, 2010 8:53:00 PM
Subject: Out of Office AutoReply: UIPA Request – State and National guidelines etc. pertaining to seal

“Out of Office AutoReply: UIPA Request – State and National guidelines etc. pertaining to seal

I am no longer with the Department of Health. Please send emails to dohdir@doh.hawaii.gov. Thank you.“


Perhaps Fukino gave up ‘the official DOH seal’ information as a parting gift, knowing full well it would be the last trickle out of that department?


44 posted on 12/09/2010 9:59:11 PM PST by Future Useless Eater (Chicago politics = corrupted capitalism = takeover by COMMUNity-ISM)
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To: LucyT

I agree.


45 posted on 12/09/2010 10:09:04 PM PST by mojitojoe (In itÂ’s 1600 years of existence, Islam has 2 main accomplishments, psychotic violence and goat curr)
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To: Danae; BuckeyeTexan

Isn’t she “first” a Hillary plant???


46 posted on 12/10/2010 8:09:12 AM PST by danamco (")
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To: LucyT; Red Steel

I fully agree!!!


47 posted on 12/10/2010 8:13:04 AM PST by danamco (")
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To: danamco

Yes, actually, she is one of the first PUMA’s I think.

I seem to remember her talking about Texas at one point, so yes she was, and I assume still is, a Hillary Supporter.


48 posted on 12/10/2010 10:25:01 AM PST by Danae (Anail nathrach, orth' bhais's bethad, do chel denmha)
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To: edge919

My Hawaii DOH COLBs are similar to the second image posted above at comment #6 by UCANSEE2. This shows the backside of the document and the imprint is placed above the date. You can read DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH across the top and STATE OF HAWAII across the bottom.

AND this one with the name Michelle closely resembles mine.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2606951/posts?page=1848#1848

Keep in mind that this is the front of the document but the seal was imprinted to the backside. The image of the seal is therefore reversed.

As is noticeable in these documents, the image and the letters on mine are comprised of tiny indented horizontal bars or dashes and are not lines as it appears on the “black and white drawing”. Truthfully, the actual shape and positioning of the “indented horizontal bars” on my documents most closely resemble those pictured in the OBAMA COLB (the third image at post #6). The letters are wide, not narrow. The words “DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH” fill more than half of the circle. There are no definite images of stars, only what appears to be a single horizontal bar, possibly representing each star. Referring to the numbers on a clock, the single bars are located at 8:00 and 4:00. “STATE OF HAWAII” appears across the lower quadrant. You can feel the bumpy indentations on the front of the document but not on the back. If MissTickly actually had a certified COLB she would know this.

The black and white drawing clearly shows distinct letter formations. Most apparent is the shorter space of the words “DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH” and the star images are at 9:00 and 3:00. The positioning and size of the letters and stars just don’t coincide with the other images.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2637595/posts?page=9#9

I am in no way attempting to verify the example COLBs or defend the Obana COLB. I am merely using them to describe my own documents. I have always suspected that the Obama COLBs are forgeries but this “black and white drawing” in no way proves that Obama’s seal is a fake. I believe that MissTickly and I both share the heartfelt desire to prove that Obama is a fraud. I just strongly feel that it is an irrational assumption to vehemently claim that all Hawaii COLBs posted on the internet are fakes based on that drawing. It is self righteous to disparage those people who posted them by insinuating they are ALL liars and deceivers.

In my opinion, the most glaring evidence that something is fishy with the Obama COLBs can be seen without the benefit of forensic evidence. It has to do with the horizontal folds in the paper, are lack thereof. My documents have creases from folding the document and receipt in a precise manner before being placed in the mailing envelope.

Obama’s COLB was first posted at his website. Notice that there are no folds in the document. http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate.html

But they mysteriously appear later in the factcheck.org COLB
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

Obviously, these photos are not of the same document. One or both COLBs are fakes. Why would Obama provide a fake COLB if he had a real one? The Hawaii DOH has never stated that the fightthesmears or factcheck COLBs were issued by their department. Is it because they didn’t issue them? Probably. But now that Obama’s crony is the governor and he appoints his people to be in charge at the DOH, who knows what kind of shenanigans will take place.


49 posted on 12/10/2010 7:40:31 PM PST by Jonah Vark (Any 5th grader knows that the Constitution declares the separation of powers.)
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To: Jonah Vark

I think we have to go by the best available evidence, which isn’t much. The administrative rules ... posted at the DOH site ... are very compelling. A bunch of anonymous COLBs are not. I know there’s one anomaly that only appeared on the Obama COLB, which I mentioned at one of the sites where Polarik used to post, and then magically new COLBs appeared shortly thereafter with the same anomaly I pointed out. The common denominator for these newer COLBs was Polarik. It was a little too convenient. I can’t conclusively say these newer COLBs aren’t genuine, but there’s no way of proving they ARE genuine.

As for Polarik, I always felt like he was too entrenched in trying to be the one and only guy to prove Obama’s COLB was forged. Either that, or he was trying to create a cover for being on the opposite side of what he claimed. Either way, he’s made himself an unreliable source.

I agree the factlack dot org COLB does not match the original scans from Tommy Vietor. The folds aren’t the clincher, but the paper itself and a mismatching date stamp. Moreover, the EXIF data, which was scrubbed, points to guilty consciences at factlack, not to mentions problems with their story and integrity.


50 posted on 12/10/2010 10:21:02 PM PST by edge919
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