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David Epstein Incest Charges: Columbia Professor Charged With Sleeping With Daughter
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Posted on 12/10/2010 8:51:15 AM PST by mimi from mi

A Columbia political science professor has been charged with having a sexual relationship with his 24-year-old daughter, the Columbia Daily Spectator reports.

David Epstein, 46, was charged Thursday with one count of third-degree incest. Police told the Spectator that the relationship appeared consensual.

Epstein is currently on administrative leave.

According to the New York Daily News, Epstein and the woman had a three-year sexual relationship and often exchanged "twisted text messages."

The Spectator reports that Epstein is married to another Columbia political science professor, Sharyn O'Halloran, though a recent update to his Facebook page says he is single. The couple was featured in a 2008 Spectator article about professors who "bring love to work."

"Our complementary skills lead to a great partnership," O'Halloran told the Spectator.

One student described Epstein, who was teaching a class on game theory this semester, as a "very nice guy." Outside of his professorial duties, Epstein also blogged for this website, on topics ranging from torture to Sarah Palin.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/10/david-epstein-incest-char_n_794864.html?ir=New%20York


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1 posted on 12/10/2010 8:51:17 AM PST by mimi from mi
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To: wagglebee
David Epstein, 46, was charged Thursday with one count of third-degree incest. Police told the Spectator that the relationship appeared consensual.

Where is the "between consenting adults" crowd on this one?

2 posted on 12/10/2010 8:53:46 AM PST by a fool in paradise (The establishment clause isn't just against my OWN government establishing state religion in America)
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To: mimi from mi

Double-dating with Woody Allen?


3 posted on 12/10/2010 8:58:59 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: mimi from mi

This is how socialists and Islamists become inbred degenerates.


4 posted on 12/10/2010 8:59:43 AM PST by capt. norm (Never underestimate the power of very stupid people in large groups.)
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To: mimi from mi
According to the New York Daily News, Epstein and the woman had a three-year sexual relationship and often exchanged "twisted text messages."

ICK
5 posted on 12/10/2010 9:02:03 AM PST by TSgt (Colonel Allen West & Michele Bachman - 2012 POTUS Dream Team Ticket!)
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To: capt. norm
This is how socialists and Islamists become inbred degenerates.

Or the future King of England


6 posted on 12/10/2010 9:02:47 AM PST by dfwgator (Congratulations to Josh Hamilton - AL MVP)
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To: capt. norm

Worse than that ~ this guy is a major taxpayer ~ check out http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2010/10/memo_to_bruce_m.php


7 posted on 12/10/2010 9:06:35 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: mimi from mi
was charged Thursday with one count of third-degree incest

What would consitute a 2nd and 1st degree offense? Is third degree worse than 2nd degree? These degree things confuse me.

Oh and BTW - this is just maximum icky.

8 posted on 12/10/2010 9:06:58 AM PST by corkoman
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To: mimi from mi

The Marxists make another pitch to bring down civilization, I gather?
Wasn’t there another case recently...someone from the Mamas & the Papas?
Just another hill to take, like polygamy. After this, maybe a guy with a really cute spaniel or a chicken maybe.


9 posted on 12/10/2010 9:07:06 AM PST by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (Grammar police off-duty. But I saw what you did.)
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To: corkoman

Well the daughter’s not a minor, so maybe first degree is reserved for youngsters.
In any case give her a few years she’ll sue him and the college too.


10 posted on 12/10/2010 9:09:18 AM PST by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (Grammar police off-duty. But I saw what you did.)
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To: mimi from mi

11 posted on 12/10/2010 9:09:35 AM PST by MissTed ( Do women in burqas have fun tagging each other in Facebook photos?)
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To: mimi from mi

Married Profs Bring Love To Work
http://www.eye.columbiaspectator.com/2008/02/14/married-profs-bring-love-work
Other couples, like professor Sharyn O’Halloran and her husband professor David Epstein, work closely in the same field—in their case, political science. The two have co-authored many of their works. “Our complementary skills lead to a great partnership,” she said. This collaboration is present in their home as well, where, according to O’Halloran, an economist, they “split household chores along comparative advantage and our marginal rates of productivity are maximized at every turn.”


12 posted on 12/10/2010 9:09:42 AM PST by TSgt (Colonel Allen West & Michele Bachman - 2012 POTUS Dream Team Ticket!)
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast
"Wasn’t there another case recently...someone from the Mamas & the Papas?"

You're thinking of Mackenzie Phillips, daughter of John Phillips.

13 posted on 12/10/2010 9:10:17 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: a fool in paradise

I’ll bite. Sure it’s “icky” - but if she’s over 21 - I figure that’s her problem, not society’s. Sure she could end up being pregnant etc. etc. - but this is NOT the same as abuse of a minor IMHO.


14 posted on 12/10/2010 9:14:16 AM PST by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: muawiyah
See, Sargent Schutt, as a resident of Mississippi, sued under a state law that doesn't exist in many other places in the country. He sued you for "alienation of affection": In other words, he was holding you liable for screwing up his marriage.

You can't do that in New York, or in California, or in Florida. But in Mississippi? Well, they have a different set of ideas down there about stealing away a man's woman. (Just to make things interesting, you turned around and sued Linda and Schutt and Schutt's dad, claiming they were just trying to extort you.)

Time was that adultery was a crime.

15 posted on 12/10/2010 9:15:52 AM PST by a fool in paradise (The establishment clause isn't just against my OWN government establishing state religion in America)
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To: capt. norm
Well, excuse me ~ not exactly THAT guy but one just like him apparently, only he's into investments and the professor is into "gotta' buy" text books and that sort of thing ~ equally lucrative if you're a Columbia professor.

Bet these guys know each other.

16 posted on 12/10/2010 9:18:01 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: mimi from mi

Did the daughter turn him in on this, otherwise how would he get charged with something of this nature?

He blogged on torture and Sarah Palin. Let’s see his checklist.

Waterboard Terrorists - No

Sarah Palin Presidential - No

Bang Own Daughter - Yes

I’m glad he has his Ivy League priorities in order. When is he up for Emeritus?


17 posted on 12/10/2010 9:18:05 AM PST by Williams (It's the policies, stupid.)
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To: corkoman

Typically a “1st Degree” charge is more serious than a “3rd degree” charge. It gets confusing because a “3rd offense” indicates repetitions behavior and will often have enhanced sentencing.

A first degree offense would probably apply in the case of force, or of a minor’s involvement. I don;t know this state’s statutes and am too lazy to look them up.

Criminal law is inherently icky and demoralizing.


18 posted on 12/10/2010 9:18:56 AM PST by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans - don't read their lips. Watch their hands.)
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To: mimi from mi

You should read the HuffPo comments - sick.


19 posted on 12/10/2010 9:18:59 AM PST by 30Moves
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten

These people tie up a tremendous amount of court resources thrashing out their problems ~ the rich ones do anyway. The poor ones just have another baby somewhere else, or lock the girl in the basement.


20 posted on 12/10/2010 9:19:54 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

That’s a lengthy article about a guy named Bruce. This is a thread about a man named Epstein. What’s the connection?

Bruce began his affair with his daughter in 1998 when she was at college. The girl in the thread article is 24 years old.


21 posted on 12/10/2010 9:20:31 AM PST by a fool in paradise (The establishment clause isn't just against my OWN government establishing state religion in America)
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To: mimi from mi

Many years ago this situation existed between a father and adult daughter with whom I had a professional acquaintance. It ended in a murder suicide.


22 posted on 12/10/2010 9:21:05 AM PST by Rebelbase
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To: mimi from mi

But...but...isn’t this his lifestyle choice? How dare people judge his love, forcing him to live a lie? /sarc/


23 posted on 12/10/2010 9:22:33 AM PST by La Lydia
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To: mimi from mi

Heard on the Hudson:

“Row faster. I hear banjos.”


24 posted on 12/10/2010 9:23:07 AM PST by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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To: dfwgator
While the royal families of Europe did indeed marry 2nd and 3rd cousins quite often, there were specific rules against “consanguinity” or being too closely related.

The twit pictured, future King of England, has one of the best known human pedigrees out there, and there is NOT that much consanguinity in the family history.

Much ado about nothing was made of the problems of Hemophilia among the children of Queen Victoria, and often people who don't know any better talk about inbreeding. That was NOT the problem. You didn't need to inherit two copies to be a hemophiliac, you just needed one copy on your X chromosome if you are a male.

The problem with Queen Victoria having a mutation on her X chromosome for a blood clotting factor was not due to or exacerbated by inbreeding.

But BECAUSE the royals all married among each other, at the start of WWI, the Czar of Russia, the King of England, and the Kaiser of Germany were all cousins, and all descendants of Queen Victoria - and the Czar's heir was a bleeder.

25 posted on 12/10/2010 9:28:24 AM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: Rebelbase
Many years ago this situation existed between a father and adult daughter with whom I had a professional acquaintance. It ended in a murder suicide.

"Janie's got a gun..."

26 posted on 12/10/2010 9:30:58 AM PST by dfwgator (Congratulations to Josh Hamilton - AL MVP)
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten

If she was an adult, if he committed incest, didn’t she as well?


27 posted on 12/10/2010 9:31:05 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Socialists are to economics what circle squarers are to math; undaunted by reason or derision.)
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To: mimi from mi

Is the “daughter” his biological child, or the child of his wife, fathered by another...?


28 posted on 12/10/2010 9:31:22 AM PST by mmercier (strange and simple rules)
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To: mimi from mi

Could you furnish a source link? Thanks.


29 posted on 12/10/2010 9:32:39 AM PST by Sidebar Moderator
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To: muawiyah

Now that is a zinger of a story.


30 posted on 12/10/2010 9:33:12 AM PST by baltoga
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To: a fool in paradise
Bruce was rich. You'd better believe this Epstein guy is rich too ~ just check out what he and his last current wife were up to.

Money can buy you a lot of stuff ~ including, apparantly, a daughter in the sack.

You didn't think this was about some poor guy living in a flop house did you?

31 posted on 12/10/2010 9:35:44 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: mimi from mi

This is sick, but I’m surprised that it’s illegal.


32 posted on 12/10/2010 9:57:11 AM PST by 3niner (When Obama succeeds, America fails.)
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To: mimi from mi

http://www.columbia.edu/cu/polisci/fac-bios/epstein/faculty.html

Photo of the nasty piece of work!


33 posted on 12/10/2010 10:03:21 AM PST by sodpoodle (Despair; man's surrender. Laughter; God 's redemption.)
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To: mimi from mi
If it was consensual,and is a crime ,then the woman(daughter) should be charged as well.

D*mn double standards.

But if the daughter was actually fathered by another man,i.e. is a step-daughter,then it may still be icky,but there is no inbreeding,so why bother with them?

34 posted on 12/10/2010 10:14:20 AM PST by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a credit card?)
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To: a fool in paradise
Where is the "between consenting adults" crowd on this one?

They are busy sbmitting approving comments on HuffPo:

"[I] say just as long as they are doing proper family planning (that is, various forms of birth-cont­rol) to make sure they do not produce an offspring, which would be high-risk for a myriad of genetic disorders, I see no crime.

Gross? Yes. But, sometimes-­-especiall­y in a free republic--­you have to put aside universal morality and just let people live their lives. We are no longer a Puritan society."

-- holierdandao

"Public shame will be sufficient to end this. It is not a viable coupling. Apparently it's an issue between consenting adults. I'm not sure on what principles the charges would be, considerin­g that law would have to arbitraril­y override individual liberty of consenting adults. They do it already with prostitute­s and their patrons, but consenting adults should not be charged with crimes for what they agree to do."

-- HUFFPOST SUPER USER Balzac


35 posted on 12/10/2010 10:16:32 AM PST by Iron Munro (This is our culture; fight for it. This is our flag; pick it up. This is our country; take it back.)
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To: sodpoodle

Classic butt kisser pose. Interesting that his “wife” is not listed in the political science faculty directory. Hmmmmm.


36 posted on 12/10/2010 10:24:58 AM PST by miele man
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To: mmercier
Is the “daughter” his biological child, or the child of his wife, fathered by another...?

Hey wait - good point - much much less Ick in that scenario.

But I gotta think that if that was the case there would not be this fuss. Is that even incest?

37 posted on 12/10/2010 10:29:52 AM PST by corkoman
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To: 3niner

***This is sick, but I’m surprised that it’s illegal.***

Our Judeo Christian laws were built on morality and acceptable behavior towards one another. Adultery and incest are two of the most destructive behaviors to a successful civilization.

http://www.auburn.edu/~allenkc/7laws.html


38 posted on 12/10/2010 10:37:37 AM PST by sodpoodle (Despair; man's surrender. Laughter; God 's redemption.)
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To: mimi from mi
Police told the Spectator that the relationship appeared consensual.

She's 24? Why wasn't she arrested too?

39 posted on 12/10/2010 10:40:22 AM PST by Graybeard58
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To: sodpoodle
Adultery and incest are two of the most destructive behaviors to a successful civilization.

Is adultery illegal? There are other destructive sexual behaviors which are not illegal, also. This is why I'm surprised.

40 posted on 12/10/2010 10:43:01 AM PST by 3niner (When Obama succeeds, America fails.)
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To: hoosierham
But if the daughter was actually fathered by another man,i.e. is a step-daughter,then it may still be icky,but there is no inbreeding,so why bother with them?

If he is her biological father, but they were using contraceptives, then there would also be no inbreeding. Would that be OK?

41 posted on 12/10/2010 10:46:49 AM PST by 3niner (When Obama succeeds, America fails.)
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To: Iron Munro
"[I] say just as long as they are doing proper family planning (that is, various forms of birth-cont­rol) to make sure they do not produce an offspring, which would be high-risk for a myriad of genetic disorders, I see no crime.

And to be equally absurd...

"[I] say just as long as they are doing proper family STD planning (that is, various forms of birth-cont­rol fresh condom usage, monogamous relationship, STD testing ) to make sure they do not produce an offspring, which would be high-risk for a myriad of genetic disorders spread deadly diseases , I see no crime."

Oh wait, that is "wrong" to restrict homosexuals from random bathroom hookups.

42 posted on 12/10/2010 10:57:51 AM PST by a fool in paradise (The establishment clause isn't just against my OWN government establishing state religion in America)
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To: Iron Munro
And I've said it before, the sex positive agenda serves to end ALL moral judgements over ALL sexual pairings, regardless of sex, age, martial status, relation, number, or species of partner(s).
43 posted on 12/10/2010 10:58:52 AM PST by a fool in paradise (The establishment clause isn't just against my OWN government establishing state religion in America)
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To: mimi from mi

I’m pretty libertarian, but that’s just beyond wrong. Parents are supposed to protect their kids, not...damn.


44 posted on 12/10/2010 11:01:07 AM PST by Darren McCarty (Michigan's Supreme Court - Once again, it is best in the country.)
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To: 3niner

Adultery used to be considered bigamy; ergo illegal. i.e. cohabiting with someone other than your spouse.

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/marriage


45 posted on 12/10/2010 11:03:29 AM PST by sodpoodle (Despair; man's surrender. Laughter; God 's redemption.)
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To: corkoman
But I gotta think that if that was the case there would not be this fuss. Is that even incest?

Under the law, yes.

I say that (actually it could depend on the state) because California charged adults (male and female, the girl was older but male was prosecuted) not one month after the Lawrence v. Texas case (they were both adopted by the same family, he got her pregnant) and neither was related by blood.

46 posted on 12/10/2010 11:04:37 AM PST by a fool in paradise (The establishment clause isn't just against my OWN government establishing state religion in America)
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To: 3niner
I thought the possibility of inbreeding was the historical basis for such acts being illegal ,except of course there IS that incident in the Bible where the daughters get their father drunk so that he WOULD impregnate them!

Anyway,it is certainly "icky" and all,and I don't condone it,but I just wonder if maybe,just maybe, the resources of the State might be better spent on finding ,convicting, and KEEPING incarcerated the many violent offenders in the population.

But this does make another sensationalist story to distract people from the major destructive forces.

47 posted on 12/10/2010 11:13:22 AM PST by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a credit card?)
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To: mimi from mi

Sounds like a ‘Rat hero to me. Let’s see. How about “breaking down the false capitalist barriers to family intimacy erected by Republican zealots.” Sound about right ?

/sarcasm


48 posted on 12/10/2010 11:19:41 AM PST by jimt
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To: mimi from mi

I don’t see a problem here. After all, incest is prohibited in the same chapter as homosexuality. If one is okey-dokey, then the other should be, too. /s


49 posted on 12/10/2010 11:21:33 AM PST by MayflowerMadam
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten

The big problem here is usually these relationships (?) if it can be called that start with years of conditioning and rarely wait until the child is 18 to begin.I’d lay money on it will come out later that Daddy started doing this many years ago and they were just caught.


50 posted on 12/10/2010 11:40:11 AM PST by chris_bdba
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