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Would a national sales tax help bring down the deficit?
Yahoo! News ^ | Dec. 13, 2010 | Jane Sasseen

Posted on 12/14/2010 7:14:14 AM PST by jackspyder

Could a national sales tax help fix the deficit and gain enough political support to break the stalemate in the nation's capital? Yahoo! reader Brad Sylvester believes it could.

Following a contentious midterm election, some 81 percent of respondents to a recent ABC News/Yahoo! News poll said they expect partisan warfare and inaction to continue over the next two years.

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There are plenty of ideas on how to return the government to fiscal responsibility. ...

Many Republicans refuse to consider any tax hikes at all. And many liberal Democrats — who, ironically, may have even more power in the party now that many of their more moderate colleagues have lost their seats — can't stomach the thought of cutting back government services or programs...

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government
KEYWORDS: nationalsalestax; salestax; thedeficit
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1 posted on 12/14/2010 7:14:21 AM PST by jackspyder
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To: jackspyder

Well this yahoo reader thinks Bryan Slyester is a yahoo who doesn’t know his hinny from a hole in the ground.


2 posted on 12/14/2010 7:15:52 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: jackspyder


3 posted on 12/14/2010 7:16:11 AM PST by dfwgator (Welcome to the Gator Nation Will Muschamp)
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To: jackspyder

SO, more taxes is the solution to the overspending problem? Dumb f***.


4 posted on 12/14/2010 7:16:24 AM PST by theDentist (fybo; qwerty ergo typo : i type, therefore i misspelll)
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To: jackspyder

NO NO NO!

THE DAMN SPENDING MUST BE STOPPED BEFORE ANYONE EVEN SUGGESTS NEW TAXES!


5 posted on 12/14/2010 7:16:33 AM PST by TSgt (Colonel Allen West & Michele Bachman - 2012 POTUS Dream Team Ticket!)
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To: jackspyder
Would a national sales tax help bring down the deficit?

I think it more likely that it would give Congress an excuse to spend more.

6 posted on 12/14/2010 7:16:49 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: jackspyder

No. Not by itself.

If you give them more money, they will spend ALL of it... and then some.


7 posted on 12/14/2010 7:17:01 AM PST by WayneS (Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm. -- James Madison)
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To: jackspyder

Only bringing down the Congress will bring down the deficit
Give them more revenue, they will spend it


8 posted on 12/14/2010 7:17:27 AM PST by silverleaf (All that is necessary for evil to succeed, is that good men do nothing)
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To: jackspyder

No.


9 posted on 12/14/2010 7:17:53 AM PST by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: jackspyder

Voting out Liberals will bring down the deficit.


10 posted on 12/14/2010 7:17:58 AM PST by ExTexasRedhead
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To: jackspyder

Only if we eliminate all personal & corporate income taxes, cap gains, death tax & cut government spending. Totally eliminate the IRS—there’s a huge savings right there.

I’d be all for it, in that case. Stop punishing production over consumption.


11 posted on 12/14/2010 7:18:23 AM PST by jazminerose (o)
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To: jackspyder

How would the tax hike be PAID FOR?

It’s not the government’s money.


12 posted on 12/14/2010 7:18:29 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (McCarthy Was Right)
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To: theDentist

The government bow-wows would just spend that too.


13 posted on 12/14/2010 7:19:10 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (Impeachment !)
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To: dfwgator

great pic! where is that from?


14 posted on 12/14/2010 7:20:43 AM PST by jackspyder
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To: jackspyder

Idiocracy.


15 posted on 12/14/2010 7:21:18 AM PST by dfwgator (Welcome to the Gator Nation Will Muschamp)
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To: jackspyder

The only way to reduce the deficit is to quit spending money and to have a productive economy again. Being taxed to death through yet another tax will do nothing to help.


16 posted on 12/14/2010 7:21:38 AM PST by livius
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To: jackspyder

A national sales tax would hurt the most poorest and underprivileged people in the US. It would hurt them the hardest.

But then most if not all taxes in the US do that.

That is why it is most important to extend all the Bush tax cuts and make them permanent.

Or else do away with the income tax altogether and get rid of the IRS forever.


17 posted on 12/14/2010 7:22:05 AM PST by Ev Reeman
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To: jackspyder
NO!!!! No new taxes whatsoever will bring down the deficit! If they taxed every earned dollar at 100% it wouldn't bring down the deficit. If they taxed every purchase at 100% it wouldn't bring down the deficit.

The ONLY thing that will bring down the deficit is to reduce spending! As long as the assholes in Washington refuse to cut spending our debt will continue to spiral out of control! The only way to cut spending is to reduce the size and scope of the federal government...we can start with eliminating the EPA, The Dept of Education, The Interior Dept, HUD, on and on.

18 posted on 12/14/2010 7:22:19 AM PST by pgkdan (Protect and Defend America! End the practice of islam on our shores before it's too late!)
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To: jazminerose

Exactly.

In 2009 our total national taxation, was equal to the dollar cost of our imports.

The same.

So. Two birds. One stone:

First: Eliminate all income taxes, capital gains, and corporate taxes. ENTIRELY.

Meanwhile enact a no-exceptions, across the board 100% tariff on all imports.

Watch how long it takes, for people to rediscover how to actually make things here.

5 minutes, tops.


19 posted on 12/14/2010 7:23:11 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (McCarthy Was Right)
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To: jackspyder

And so it begins...they’re dipping their feet into the water.


20 posted on 12/14/2010 7:25:52 AM PST by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: jackspyder

KEEP YOUR FILTHY HANDS OUT OF MY WALLET UNTIL THIS CRAP STOPS!

http://www.cagw.org/reports/pig-book/2010/oinkers.html

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The Thad the Impaler Award
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The Hal Bent on Earmarking Award
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The Little Engine That Couldn’t Award
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The Narcissist Award
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The Steak Through the Heart of Taxpayers Award
to Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison (R-Texas) and Representative Ciro Rodriguez (D-Texas) for $693,000 for beef improvement research.

The Sapping the Taxpayers Award
for $4.8 million for wood utilization research in 11 states requested by 13 senators and 10 representatives.

The Jekyll and Hyde Award
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The Kick in the Asp Award
to Delegate Madeleine Bordallo (D-Guam) for $500,000 for Brown Tree Snakes control and interdiction in Guam.

The Plane Waste Award
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The Do You Want Fries with That Award
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21 posted on 12/14/2010 7:27:55 AM PST by TSgt (Colonel Allen West & Michele Bachman - 2012 POTUS Dream Team Ticket!)
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To: dfwgator

Perfect! I loved that movie - though I cannot remember its title.


22 posted on 12/14/2010 7:27:58 AM PST by don-o (Wait. What?)
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To: don-o

Joe: “For the last time, I’m pretty sure what’s killing the crops is this Brawndo stuff.”

Secretary of State: “But Brawndo’s got what plants crave. It’s got electrolytes.”

Attorney General (Sara Rue): “So wait a minute. What you’re saying is that you want us to put water on the crops.”

Joe: “Yes.”

Attorney General: “Water. Like out the toilet?”

Joe: “Well, I mean, it doesn’t have to be out of the toilet, but, yeah, that’s the idea.”

Secretary of State: “But Brawndo’s got what plants crave.”

Attorney General: “It’s got electrolytes.”

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Secretary of Energy (Brendan Hill): “Well, I’ve never seen no plants grow out of no toilet.”

Secretary of State: “Hey, that’s good. You sure you ain’t the smartest guy in the world?”

Joe: “Okay, look. You wanna solve this problem. I wanna get my pardon. So why don’t we just try it, okay, and not worry about what plants crave?”

Attorney General: “Brawndo’s got what plants crave.”

Secretary of Energy: “Yeah, it’s got electrolytes.”

Joe: “What are electrolytes? Do you even know?”

Secretary of State: “It’s what they use to make Brawndo.”

Joe: “Yeah, but why do they use them to make Brawndo?”

Secretary of Defense: “‘Cause Brawndo’s got electrolytes.”


23 posted on 12/14/2010 7:33:54 AM PST by dfwgator (Welcome to the Gator Nation Will Muschamp)
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To: jackspyder

Without regard to the merits, never confuse how much taxes are collected with how they are collected.

At the end of the day, we just have too much spending.


24 posted on 12/14/2010 7:34:25 AM PST by umgud
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To: jackspyder

Nope.

A national sales tax would be a “Stealth Tax”. It would happen on every transaction and there would be no accountability for where those taxes go.


25 posted on 12/14/2010 7:40:22 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: dfwgator

brilliant, funny, and sad ... did you make that up?


26 posted on 12/14/2010 7:42:32 AM PST by jackspyder
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To: jackspyder

That was the Cabinet meeting in “Idiocracy.” As you can see, we are pretty much there now.


27 posted on 12/14/2010 7:44:58 AM PST by dfwgator (Welcome to the Gator Nation Will Muschamp)
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To: dfwgator

oh wait - I figured it out - it’s from the movie - sorry!


28 posted on 12/14/2010 7:45:00 AM PST by jackspyder
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

It’s like letting a junkie have a key to a distributor’s stash.


29 posted on 12/14/2010 7:45:59 AM PST by theDentist (fybo; qwerty ergo typo : i type, therefore i misspelll)
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To: jackspyder

Not only NO, but HELL NO! Another tax will simply encourage the Congress to increase spending!!


30 posted on 12/14/2010 7:46:51 AM PST by SuziQ
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To: jackspyder
The only thing that will end the deficit in the face of exponential spending is the financial collapse of the United States government.

It's coming.

31 posted on 12/14/2010 7:51:13 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (DEFCON I ALERT: The federal cancer has metastasized. All personnel report to their battle stations.)
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To: jackspyder

The writer is a fool, especially if he believes giving the government more money will somehow lead to fiscal responsibility.


32 posted on 12/14/2010 7:56:26 AM PST by snowrip (Liberal? You are a socialist idiot with no rational argument.)
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To: jackspyder

The best thing to bring down the deficit is for Congress to cut spending to the bone. Then, any “yahoo” that opens their mouths about how taxes should be increased should have THEIR taxes increased, but only theirs.


33 posted on 12/14/2010 8:17:06 AM PST by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: TSgt
The Plane Waste Award to Senators Sam Brownback (R-Kan.) and Pat Roberts (R-Kan.) and Representative Todd Tiahrt (R-Kan.) for $3,500,000 for the National Institute for Aviation Research.

Can you clarify for me why this is a bad thing? Isn't doing research to further aviation (i.e. for military planes and the like) a good thing, or does this organization not do that type of stuff?

34 posted on 12/14/2010 8:21:06 AM PST by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: theDentist

Well its worked for sooooo long why not try it again, God Almighty we need sanity in the government, time to start selling off Washington, DC, let states collapse, eliminate all income, estate, business, and capital gains taxes...Tie the federal government up..starve the friggin beast...


35 posted on 12/14/2010 8:23:17 AM PST by aces
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To: jackspyder

No, a national sales tax will not help bring down the deficit because politicians only know how to spend money. What will bring down the deficit is cutting spending.


36 posted on 12/14/2010 8:23:58 AM PST by AD from SpringBay (We deserve the government we allow.)
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To: jackspyder

Will a nice glass of orange juice help stave off blood loss from severe arterial hemorrhage?

At this point, letting the government take more of our money is like giving out free whiskey at an AA meeting. Not just counterproductive, but downright rude.


37 posted on 12/14/2010 8:24:38 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: jackspyder

No. A tax is a tax.


38 posted on 12/14/2010 8:24:49 AM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: jazminerose

starve the friggin fed, sell off federal assets, sell parks, no more taxes, no money for those crooks..pass laws that bills must be clear and contain matters of 1 subject, no pork etc....


39 posted on 12/14/2010 8:26:12 AM PST by aces
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To: jackspyder

Maybe, but not until all other taxes are repealed.


40 posted on 12/14/2010 8:28:18 AM PST by InvisibleChurch (Stimulus ~ Response / "...and that's why the color yellow makes me sad, I think.")
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To: pgkdan

Have a garage sale of Washington DC, I agree..the problem is the situation is now dire and we need immediate action, I fear we will not get it..Still too much BS going on, those that add to bills should be run out of town and tarred and feathered..Cut spending if it leaves this country with dirt roads, no government agencies but essentials and do not give them the right to rob the citizens for it..


41 posted on 12/14/2010 8:30:19 AM PST by aces
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To: TSgt

This is what we need: a big fat list of crap and pork we can strip right out of the budget.


42 posted on 12/14/2010 8:31:14 AM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: jackspyder

Yeah, if it replaced the income and corporate taxes, and taxed ANEW the 50+ million illegals.

It would amount to a tax cut for the rest of us once they start sharing the burden.


43 posted on 12/14/2010 8:36:57 AM PST by ROTB (Sans Christian revival, we are government slaves, or nuked by China/Russia when we finally revolt.)
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To: jackspyder
Only jerkoffs think that the solution to any problem is to find another way to rob the citizens. The solution to the deficit is to cut programs, put ten percent of everything that comes in on deficit reduction, and live within the limits of the 90% that's remains. Say the deficit reduction is, “for the Chilren” since it's their money we'd be giving them back.

Really, what kind of idiot is still looking for ways to increase revenue when it's obvious that no matter how much the government takes in they're going to spend even more?

Regards

44 posted on 12/14/2010 8:41:46 AM PST by Rashputin (Barry is totally insane and being kept medicated and on golf courses to hide the fact)
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To: jackspyder
They are going to confiscate a lot of wealth through the death tax, but if you make a sales tax or give them everybody's estate all they will do is go spend crazy.

You first have to make a balanced budget constitutional amendment.
You also then have to put SS, Welfare and everything but the military on budget IMO.

We have to handle the spending problem before we make believe we are addressing the deficit.

45 posted on 12/14/2010 8:44:16 AM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: umgud
At the end of the day, we just have too much spending.

Which is really why focusing on the deficit is such a mistake. You can have a small deficit with huge spending and huge taxes. I don't know why our side keeps falling into that trap. Stop the bloody spending!

46 posted on 12/14/2010 8:54:05 AM PST by Dahoser (Separation of church and state? No, we need separation of media and state.)
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To: jackspyder

I think a National Sales tax is a good idea!

If at the same time they eliminate income tax.
Taxing consumption will promote savings, but
more important is that EVERYONE will be paying TAXES.

As it stands now - half of us are carrying the other half.
If everyone pays taxes they will not be such a hurry to increase them and pay more attention to government spending.

Now half the country wants tax increases because they are net beneficiaries.


47 posted on 12/14/2010 9:01:12 AM PST by CoastWatcher
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To: CoastWatcher
I think a National Sales tax is a good idea!

And what do you think is the ideal rate for this national sales tax?

48 posted on 12/14/2010 9:01:56 AM PST by dfwgator (Welcome to the Gator Nation Will Muschamp)
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To: jackspyder

No, adding a national sales tax will not bring down the deficit. Only a drastic reduction in government spending, and a flat tax will do so.


49 posted on 12/14/2010 9:04:41 AM PST by meyer (Hey Obama - It's the end of the world as you know it.... ..... and I feel fine!)
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To: jackspyder

Just eliminate social programs and other spending and no tax increases are needed!

Start by eliminating 80% of government programs and all the people that work for them!


50 posted on 12/14/2010 9:09:16 AM PST by dalereed
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