Posted on 12/25/2010 10:36:15 AM PST by FredJake
Appearing on Good Morning America Friday morning, Vice President Joe Biden said the nation's attitude on gay marriage is changing, and that "it’s inevitable there will be national consensus."
He told George Stephanopolous the same thing is happening on the issue of gay marriage that happened with "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" in the military.
Recently, the President said in a press conference his position on the controversial issue is "evolving":
The sentiment I expressed then is still where I am — which is, like a lot of people, I'm wrestling with this. My attitudes are evolving on this. I have always firmly believed in having a robust civil union that provides the rights and benefits under the law that marriage does. I've wrestled with the fact that marriage traditionally has had a different connotation. But I also have a lot of very close friends who are married gay or lesbian couples.
And squaring that circle is something that I have not done yet, but I'm continually asking myself this question and I do think that — I will make this observation — that I notice there is a big generational difference. When you talk to people who are in their 20s, they don't understand what the holdup is on this, regardless of their own sexual orientation. And obviously when you talk to older folks, then there’s greater resistance.
Massachusetts Democrat Barney Frank owned up to what many see as a radical agenda when he recently said:
(Excerpt) Read more at examiner.com ...
Amnesty . . . "inevitable!
There is a consensus about marriage, and that strong consensus is that marriage is a man and a woman.
31 states have passed constitutional amendments defining marriage. In most states, they had to be approved by voters. In some states, well over 70% voted to define marriage in this manner.
If there is such a groundswell for homosexual marriage, why do they have to force it through the courts? If this groundswell were real, state after state would be voting through the democratic process to allow homosexual marriage, rather than state after state voting to retain traditional marriage.
Gee, does this mean Bawney and Joe are getting hitched??
IMPACT OF “DIVERSITY,” HOMOSEXUALITY, FEMINISM AND PC ON THE WEST
I believe it was the EARLY Romans who prohibited several classes of people from holding public office: Those of illegitimate birth (bastards), eunuchs and homosexuals. (That unfortunately changed leading up to the fall.)
While these children had no choice in the matter, bastards were prohibited because, having no sense of their family past or history, they could not be trusted to operate for the good of the culture based on its history or traditions.
Eunuchs (castrated males) and homosexuals because they could not and/or would not sire children and would, therefore, most likely have no abiding interest in preserving the culture for future generations.
While there are a number of exceptions, I’ll let YOU tell me what sort of folks we have in public office HERE today.
It appears that America has employed technology to compress into slightly over 240 years what it took the Romans over 2,000 to achieve — total and utter cultural collapse.
I believe the Romans would also have put radical feminists in that group – had they permitted radical feminism at the time. Wisely, they did not. More on that a bit later.
While channel-surfing recently, I stopped for a moment on an Animal Planet show featuring two lesbian roommates. And, no, they were NOT in the bedroom. As I watched, I began pondering the question of the growing impact of homosexuals and radical feminists on our culture.
None of these thoughts are original to me and all have been written about and discussed ad nauseam. This little rant is really an exercise in catharsis.
At the individual level, I have personally known a few homosexuals and, in general, have found them to be quiet, respectful and intelligent. Again, there are exceptions – such as the moron from California (where else?) cited below — but I haven’t personally met them and hope I don’t as there would be serious trouble between us.
Having said that, I fear that the homosexual – and the recent politically correct fervor to further legitimize that lifestyle – has done irreparable harm to our NATIONAL life and what remains of what many of us still call Western European Culture. When that impact is coupled with the rise of radical feminism (you’ll be pleased to know that the EQUAL RIGHTS AMENDMENT is again being disinterred), the product is a result from which the West may never recover.
Allow me to explain:
The physiological fact is that homosexuals normally do not reproduce. The current population replacement rate – the rate necessary to maintain the current native born population level — for the United States is somewhere north of 2 children per couple. Homosexuals usually don’t HAVE kids. Add the radical feminist impact – which holds that motherhood is some form of slavery and has driven many women to seek “fulfillment” OUTSIDE the home — and the current birth rate here is disturbingly FAR BELOW 2.1 per couple.
The other side of the demographic coin is that the virtually unrestrained immigration policies of past administrations have brought a huge influx of people from cultures radically different from that which existed here prior to the advent of PC, diversity, tolerance and all the other names by which many now call these self, nation and culture identity destroying behaviors.
Add the millions and millions of illegals who are now placing such a physical and economic burden on the healthcare and school systems that natural born citizens are being taxed to death and/or cannot, themselves, get the services to which they would otherwise be entitled. It’s a recipe for chaos.
And the politicians – who hope these new welfare recipients will support their perpetual reelection — turn a blind eye.
And as these groups agitate and campaign for THEIR particular flavor of diversity and tolerance, they also give added traction to virtually EVERY OTHER flavor. As they change millions of minds and cause others to reconsider long-standing and time-tested value systems, they are turning our world upside down.
The effect of these factors is that the America in which many of us older folks grew up is disappearing at an alarming rate. As the nation many of us came to love – and donned uniforms to defend – drifts toward some sort of Balkanized
despotism, large segments of these new arrivals – who know little and care even less of the traditions, values and history of this place and even refuse to learn the common tongue — separate themselves into ghetto-like enclaves where outsiders are often not welcomed unless they’re spending money, we run the very serious risk of repeating the experiences of the former Yugoslavia from which some of my people came.
Speaking of whom, my great-great grandparents waited for years then stood in long lines at Ellis Island to be deloused, interrogated and told they had to learn English and our history and traditions and pass a test – something the Hispanics and radical Muslim terrorists strolling across the border with Mexico don’ t have to do.
The Clinton administration – well known for its tolerance of the gay lifestyle – published some statistics in connection with AIDS that startled many. Of course, the PC then rearing its ugly head prohibited all but the brave from commenting on any of that.
The CDC statistics showed that 85% of all AIDS/HIV cases are
1. Active, non-monogamous homosexuals,
(the largest subset)
2. Heterosexuals and bisexuals who have had sex with group 1 and
3. IV drug abusers who share needles.
(Kinda gives new meaning to Romans 6:23, doesn’t it?)
The remaining 15% are those who have contracted AIDS via other,
non-sexual/non-drug means SUCH AS TRANSFUSIONS OF TAINTED BLOOD (which one homosexual “leader” on the West Coast URGED his fellow homosexuals to CONTINUE to attempt to contaminate in order to involve the straight community in the push to increase federal funding for AIDS research).
So, with the population replacement rate practically down to zero, we have some “leaders” of the homosexual community – who do nothing to help raise that rate – encouraging their members to make ill or kill those of us who have and/or are having and raising kids here.
I find it fascinating that many members of the homosexual community and the radical feminists are on the front line of the assault on traditional values and seek to replace them with more tolerance, diversity and other politically correct nonsense. They have succeeded beyond their wildest dreams.
While their activities have produced short-term benefits for them, that diversity, tolerance and egalitarianism have also opened the door to the idea that no culture is “better” than any other. Obama – apparently having confused Chicago with America — spent days recently apologizing to everyone he met for our defective, decadent and corrupt culture.
And that has brought to our shores a formerly foreign culture, the more radical elements of which are breeding at a rate well in excess of the rate among the indigenous LEGAL and NATURAL BORN population.
And, just as it already has in Great Britain and continental Europe, with those increasing numbers will come increased political and social power.
And with that will surely come a foreign theology and law system.
And that foreign theology – that’d be Islam— and law system – that’d be Sharia — DOES NOT TOLERATE HOMOSEXUALITY and regards WOMEN AS CHATTEL WHO HAVE NO PERSONAL RIGHTS LET ALONE THE SORT OF FREEDOM TO WHICH THE FEMINISTS ARE ACCUSTOMED.
The bottom line, gays and ladies? You will either fall under the sword (put to death for you government school folk) or confined to the house unless your “man” – who will beat you periodically – wants to take you out, in which case you will be garbed from head to toe. And, only HE can drive the car. Where are Betty Freidan, Bella Abzug and Gloria Steinham when we really need them?
Here’s a short video clip of the reward your PC destruction of traditional American values will bring you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlyeT1MBEzE
A number of years ago, a writer posited that there was a “War Against Boys” within and without the government school system. He opined that little boys were being psychologically and emotionally emasculated by millions of female teachers and others in the America of John Wayne.
We have now entered the era of the feminized “metrosexual” (one now occupies the White House) where boys are discouraged – often prohibited — from playing games with toy plastic guns, rubber knives or other weapons. Feminists, if it hadn’t been for millions of young men with REAL guns venturing forth from time-to-time to face down very rough folks with designs on this country – and YOU — your freedom (albeit shrinking thanks largely to our having become the Metrosexual States of America) to promulgate your radical worldview would not exist.
So there you have it.
I’d urge you to think about these things while there MIGHT still be time to alter course.
PS: I had to get this out of my system BEFORE the new, improved congress passes the pending legislation making it a crime to post ANYTHING on the web that could in any way cause ANYONE emotional distress. Would it matter that it was factual? Nope! While it’s probable that the Supremes will rule it a violation of the First Amendment, I’d rather not squander my kids’ small inheritance on lawyers bringing the case.
Dick Bachert
5/6/2009
Inevitable? Not necessarily.
But ‘gay marriage’ was, is and always will be an oxymoron regardless of its legal status.
He may be right.....I am more against it than ever.
Just wait until we get to pay for them via their "right" to be gay.
Already one gets charged for thinking about harming a gay (thought police) and if harm does come to a gay, 2 crimes are committed, one for harming and one for harming a gay.
Gay's are "thpethil".
I’ve had a “gay” marriage with my wife, a person of a different sex than myself.
Why does the word “gay” mean homosexual? I know it’s become the common term for homosexual. But, nowadays, gay means only homosexual. This word is never used to mean anything other than homosexual anymore.
I attended a Christmas concert of school kids recently, and in “Deck the Halls”, they changed the words so that there was no reference to “now we don our gay apparel”. The entire line of the song was changed, I assume, to avoid saying “gay”.
My consensus is that gay marriage is not a marriage at all. Homosexual marriage is phoney. I do not and can not support it. There, you have my consensus.
“national consensus.”
Like the “consensus” on AGW?
I didn't even know Plugs was engaged. Learn somethin' new every day.....
Vice President Joe Biden says gay marriage is as inevitable
as Global Warming
Well said.
I’ve often thought that the current “gay” movement was built upon the sexual revolution and the women’s right’s movements. As people revolted against traditional values and relationships, they then questioned what was wrong with homosexuality, among other things. And the liberal ideology, which causes people to say we have to be non-judgemental, leads one to be non-judgemental about homosexuality or any other bizarre behavior that someone wants to engage in.
It’s a mindset, the liberal mindset of being non-judgemental, which opens the door to what was unimaginable years ago.
Gay marriage is impossible. Congress and the courts and the president can not change this any more than they can change gravity.
Good! That means it'll never happen.
Joe Biden has never been right about ANYTHING.
Joe thinks it’s inevitable. OK, so what is the name of the man YOU are going to marry Joe?
There is a way around all this, which is at root a semantics problem. Let the gays have marriage all to themselves (the word, not the concept). Then define a new word, maybe heteromarriage, which can’t be stolen.
Quite the opposite. It was changed to prevent people from making the argument that you were raising.
Which is funny because of the whole reason they co-opted the word in the first place.
Holy Matrimony?
No, Joe's thoughts are not evolving ~ they're evaporating before he can complete them. Homosexual marriage, unlike death, is not certain.
I kind of like that. There’s gay marriage, and there’s heteromarriage.
PS: Another strange thought, in a collective way, are the women of the west "asking for it"?
not region = not as a religion
Thanks for the correction. Tough working without a net (aka proofreader).
Be safe out there.
“Vice President Joe Biden says gay marriage is inevitable”
Why?
Is he leaving his wife for another man?
Maybe Barney Frank will marry his SO in the WH?
For a great read, check out Liberalism - In the Classical Tradition, Ludwig Von Mises. GREAT stuff.
That looks better.
Congrats Joe - America not sliding into Sodom and Gomorrah fast enough for ya and your boss?
But unfortunately the slide continues. JB was just making another Romans 1 confirmation comment and is probably right given our trajectory.
Another thread has discussion a 3D porn game being developed. It never ceases to amaze me how people find new ways to give God the finger. The war on God continues unabated and so will the economic and social decline as God gives us over to our own minds.
AFAIC, the only thing inevitable is kicking Slow Joe’s sorry ass out of the Vice Presidency in 2012!
Don’t forget, the ultimate target of all this is the destruction of the churches; Ministers and preachers will be arrested and hauled off to jail for not allowing homo marriage ceremonies, along with a similar fate for daring to preach or state anything negative about homosexuality. This is going to be an all-out war.
I agree... gay marriage is inevitable.
Gay marriage is being used as a tool to destroy the family unit in order to position the state as the center of the individual not as a civil right as the homosexual community seems to believe.
The homosexual community are a bunch of useful idiots who will be the first eliminated during the purges just like in Hitler’s third Reich or Stalin.
“I will make this observation — that I notice there is a big generational difference. When you talk to people who are in their 20s, they don’t understand what the holdup is on this, regardless of their own sexual orientation. And obviously when you talk to older folks, then there’s greater resistance.”
Joe is awfully slow in figuring things out.
Judges 2:10 KJV
And also all that generation were gathered unto their fathers: and there arose another generation after them, which knew not the LORD, nor yet the works which he had done for Israel.
No doubt he can’t figure out that dividing Israel (yet again), the Apple of God’s Eye, is leading up to a fulfillment of Joel 3:1-2.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Joel%203:1-2&version=KJV
For those who may be lurking and don’t know, the “valley of Jehoshaphat” in Joel 3:1-2 is a term for - “Armageddon”.
Like Pelosi, Kerry, the Kennedys, etc., Biden is yet one more Democrat cafeteria chameleon in support of abortion, gay marriage, and the rest of the abominations, who’s regularly sold to the public as a “devoted Catholic”. If this is devotion I prefer heresy.
A quote from the 2008 campaign...
“Senator Biden is an unrepentant supporter of abortion in direct opposition to the Church he claims as his own. Selecting a pro-abortion Catholic is a slap in the face to Catholic voters.”
Now he’s whole hog for gay marriage.
What a worthless Catholic he is.
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These men are fools to think they can transform God’s holy sacrament of marriage into an act of sodomy.
So, Joe Biden is “bi-curious”. Well, isn’t that special?
They’ve been “marrying” in bridal dresses and all for years now. And “divorcing” and “remarrying” and “shacking up”. So, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, what’s new?
“...so if it’s inevitable, bend over, relax and enjoy it.”
"God who gave us life gave us liberty. Can the liberties of a nation be secure when we have removed a conviction that these liberties are the gift of God? Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that his justice cannot sleep forever." -— Thomas Jefferson
This is the flaw in liberalism. There are two things that are considered an excuse for any kind of behavior, and justification for wholehearted liberal support of that behavior:
1.) They determine that because some people engage in an activity or behavior, anyone speaking out against it is a hypocrite because theoretically they might engage in it, and that having limitations on that behavior or activity is hypocritical. To avoid hypocrisy, that behavior must not only be allowed, but wholeheartedly accepted as normal.
2.) It is considered too difficult in some way to discourage or outlaw a behavior or activity. In that case, it must be unequivocally accepted. ie: “We can’t stop teen sex, so we should encourage it.”
It is one of the things I despise about the Left, their Orwellian control of language and symbols.
I cannot even mouth the word diversity or look at a rainbow (except for a real one) without being irritated. That is their goal. They take a nice word like “gay” and hijack it for an abomination. Now, normal people won’t use the word. I refuse to use the word “gay” when referring to homosexuals.
I know it offends some people, but I view that as their problem. It offends me that they use the word “gay” in the fashion they do.
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