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Military won't extend benefits to gay spouses? Obama and Biden address gay marriage issues
Metro Weekly - Washington, D.C.'s Gay & Lesbian News Magazine ^ | December 25, 2010

Posted on 12/25/2010 2:30:04 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

''The partners of gay service members will not at this point be given any special rights or any rights that parallel those of a spouse.''

Bernard Rostker, described by NPR as the former Undersecretary of the Department of Defense for Personnel and Readiness, and someone who's been studying ''Don't Ask, Don't Tell'' for 17 years. Here, Rostker responds to a question about whether the spouses of lesbian and gay servicemembers will receive benefits. Now that DADT is officially on the way out, his opinion of pending Pentagon policy is that the military will not recognize gay partners for marriage benefits. Unmarried heterosexuals do not receive military benefits either, it is reported. (NPR)

The difference is that gay men and women can be legally married in several US States and the District of Columbia, but the discriminatory "Defense of Marriage Act" has barred any Federal recognition of these legal unions since 1996. Military benefits include access to the on-base commissary as well as medical care.

Obama has said that DOMA, in his opinion, needs to be repealed as well, but in an interview with the Advocate earlier this week, he seemed to indicate that the next, more conservative Congress won't be likely to pass such a measure. Obama himself has made numerous statements in recent years only in support of civil unions for gay men and lesbians rather than marriage. This week, the President reiterated that position.

''With respect to the issue of whether gays and lesbians should be able to get married, I've spoken about this recently. As I've said, my feelings about this are constantly evolving. I struggle with this.

''I have friends -- I have people who work for me, who are in powerful, strong, long-lasting gay or lesbian unions. And, they are extraordinary people. And this is something that means a lot to them, and they care deeply about.

''At this point, what I've said, is that my base line is a strong civil union that provides them protections and legal rights that married couples have, and I think that's the right thing to do.

''But I recognize that, from their perspective, it is not enough. And I think this is something that we'll continue to debate, and I personally am going to continue to wrestle with going forward.

[Tapper: But the military is not going to recognize civil unions.]

''I understand, and as I said, this is going to be an issue that is not unique to the military. This is an issue that extends to all of our society. And I think we're all going to have a conversation about it.

President Barack Obama responding to Jake Tapper of ABC News who asked at a press conference: "Is it intellectually consistent that gays and lesbians should be able to fight and die for this country, but they should not able to marry the people they love?"

''I think the country's evolving. And I think there is an inevitability for a national consensus on gay marriage. That is my view. But this is the President's view -- but I think that it is evolving.... And I think you're going to see, you know, the next effort is probably going to be to deal with so called DOMA [Defense of Marriage Act].''

Vice President Joe Biden speaking with George Stephanopoulous of ABC who asked for his opinion about President Obama's statement about marriage for gay men and women. (ABC News)

(VIDEOS AT LINK)


TOPICS: Government; Military/Veterans; Politics; Religion
KEYWORDS: commies; dadt; gaymarriage; homosexualagenda; homosexualmarriage; military
The camel's nose is now officially in the tent.
1 posted on 12/25/2010 2:30:14 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
if gays so much want to be treated like the rest of us...then they should pay taxes as a married couple pay...they should be drafted when they start doing that, which I believe they will...they should be judged just like the rest of us...many of them if not most live chaotic lives with multitude partners and are at very high risk for severe diseases....they are at risk because of their high rate of domestic violence...

no matter what laws they create, homosexuals are NOT part of the natural order of producing and caring for offspring...they refuse to be "one of us" so to speak....

they can never be considered normal because they are totally different than the pulse of life, which is survivial of the fittest.

2 posted on 12/25/2010 2:36:28 PM PST by cherry
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To: cherry
they can never be considered normal because they are totally different than the pulse of life, which is survivial of the fittest.

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3 posted on 12/25/2010 2:49:36 PM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

How do they prove they are Gay I want to know.


4 posted on 12/25/2010 2:54:56 PM PST by screaminsunshine (Americanism vs Communism)
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To: cherry
“they should be drafted”

Dear Mr. and Mr. Bumpirate.

You have been drafted into the United States Army effective today. Please report to your.....

5 posted on 12/25/2010 2:55:37 PM PST by Cisco Nix (Real Conservatives stay sober and focused)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Once the Defense of Marriage Act is overturned, the camel will be in the tent. Plan on huge costs for the taxpayer to follow as we give AIDS medical care to homosexual “spouses.”

I heard gay activist Margarethe (Gretha) Cammermeyer, fired in 1992 as a Colonel, with a dishonorable discharge from the Army, talk on KIRO radio Thursday. She specifically said that the next step is to overturn the Defense of Marriage Act so that federal employees would be eligible to include same sex spouses in their benefits package. In the military that would include such things as housing, pay allotments and commissary privileges.


6 posted on 12/25/2010 2:56:13 PM PST by jonrick46 (We're being water boarded with the sewage of Fabian Socialism.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Military won't extend benefits to gay spouses? Obama and Biden address gay marriage issues

Of course these benefits won't be extended. The repeal of FDR's policy against gays serving in the military has nothing to do with gay rights. It has everything to do with further weakening the United States of America. That has always been their goal all along. Granting benefits to gay spouses will do nothing to further that goal.

7 posted on 12/25/2010 3:22:48 PM PST by Hoodat (Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us. - (Rom 8:37))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
That’ll last about six minutes - until the ever aggressive, ever litigious gays file their first law suit. Who do these people think they are trying to kid?
8 posted on 12/25/2010 3:53:56 PM PST by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I can’t believe this man!!! Now the he KNOWS that the repeal of DOMA is not a possibility with the incoming Congress he makes himself out to be a champion of the cause. Are gays THAT stupid???


9 posted on 12/25/2010 3:57:42 PM PST by panthermom
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To: screaminsunshine
Anyone dumb enough to claim he/she or it is homo may as well be one, in my book. Someone who has such bad judgment and low self image to identify themselves as a homo is just as vile, filthy, diseased and gutter-crawling as a real homo.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

10 posted on 12/25/2010 3:58:01 PM PST by wku man (Still holding my breath, but exhaling a bit after Nov. 2...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

And the sun doesn’t rise in the east.


11 posted on 12/25/2010 4:02:10 PM PST by sport
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To: wku man

True but..you can easily prove your gender or race but Homosexual??? How do they prove they are? Could I claim to be black or an Indian to get benefits?? And that is what this is about. Well to me it makes no sense. Anyone could claim it if bennies are involved. And they are or there would not be such a fuss.


12 posted on 12/25/2010 4:04:50 PM PST by screaminsunshine (Americanism vs Communism)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I don’t think that’s the camel’s NOSE.


13 posted on 12/25/2010 4:13:11 PM PST by gitmo ( The democRats drew first blood. It's our turn now.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I knew this was going to come up. Wait till gay couples start moving into base housing. Then you’ll reallys see the Exodus.


14 posted on 12/25/2010 4:17:04 PM PST by rbg81 (When you see Obama, shout: "DO YOUR JOB!!")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; All

To inject a tiny bit of levity into a very serious situation, I recall being a very young pup in the military a long, long time ago and far, far away. There was a requirement to have the UCMJ read to the enlisted swine annually and, at one location, we had a young lieutenant who had quite a sense of humor. When he would reach the article dealing with sodomy, he would say, “OK fellows, here it comes.” Then he would intone, with great dignity, a passage from that article that went something like “Penetration, however slight, constitutes the act.” Of course, being the young rascals that we were, we would laugh and clap. That made his day and lessened the tedium of reading all of the articles.


15 posted on 12/25/2010 4:45:16 PM PST by davisfh (Islam is a mental illness with global social consequences)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The courts will take over the command and the details in the military and they will extend benefits. This act by Congress has handed the military over to the Judicial Branch.


16 posted on 12/25/2010 4:45:40 PM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I am so sick of thinking about this perversion. Dirty filthy philistines run this country. Sodomites your day is coming.


17 posted on 12/25/2010 4:48:19 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

‘’The partners of gay service members will not AT THIS POINT be given any special rights or any rights that parallel those of a spouse.’’

... but expect that to happen down the road when the Americans turn back to their TVs.


18 posted on 12/25/2010 4:48:50 PM PST by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Sure they will. That's part of the reason passing DADT was so important to the democrat fascists. Now they can use military service as a club to force things like homosexual marriage down the nations’ throat (and up their whatnot) because it isn't “fair” to deprive those who serve from the same rights as heterosexuals have with regard to their “significant others”. Before you know it, it's not only going to be used as a club for homosexual marriage, it'll be used to leverage a lot of other things as well.

Regards

19 posted on 12/25/2010 4:58:40 PM PST by Rashputin (Barry is totally insane and being kept medicated and on golf courses to hide the fact)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Sure they will. That's part of the reason passing DADT was so important to the democrat fascists. Now they can use military service as a club to force things like homosexual marriage down the nations’ throat (and up their whatnot) because it isn't “fair” to deprive those who serve from the same rights as heterosexuals have with regard to their “significant others”. Before you know it, it's not only going to be used as a club for homosexual marriage, it'll be used to leverage a lot of other things as well.

Regards

20 posted on 12/25/2010 4:58:49 PM PST by Rashputin (Barry is totally insane and being kept medicated and on golf courses to hide the fact)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

So, if a couple of soldiers, both the same rank, decide to become lovers do they get to room together?


21 posted on 12/25/2010 4:59:44 PM PST by Terry Mross
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To: Terry Mross
So, if a couple of soldiers, both the same rank, decide to become lovers do they get to room together?

Sure why not, there is no sense or reason anymore. It is all perverted and twisted, nothing makes sense. That is the purpose of the whole thing. Ask Lady GaGa she'll let us know.

22 posted on 12/25/2010 5:12:15 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Here come the law suits and headaches.


23 posted on 12/25/2010 5:20:10 PM PST by pallis
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To: Hoodat

Granting benefits will surely serve that goal. Those queer “spouses” will all get medical benefits and their AIDS and HIV will be taken care of forever. HIV/AIDS will become a major military expense and start to displace spending for things like arms and stuff.


24 posted on 12/25/2010 5:21:20 PM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Consider this, homosexuals are known for promiscuity and domestic violence. In the tight knit military communities, particularly in military family housing, such behavior will be exposed. Most Commander's won't risk the morale issues by failing to punish such crimes. Even the perception of unequal treatment can destroy unit cohesion.

This might shine a bright light on their lifestyle that cannot be ignored.

25 posted on 12/25/2010 5:24:10 PM PST by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: screaminsunshine

I was always told that if a guy kisses another guy and he gets aroused then he’s gay.


26 posted on 12/25/2010 5:25:46 PM PST by Hillarys Gate Cult
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To: Hillarys Gate Cult

I think Andrew Dice Clay defined homosexual and clarified bisexual.


27 posted on 12/25/2010 5:28:57 PM PST by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
President Barack Obama responding to Jake Tapper of ABC News who asked at a press conference: "Is it intellectually consistent that gays and lesbians should be able to fight and die for this country, but they should not able to marry the people they love?"

Is it intellectually consistent to claim those who engage in homosexual sex qualify for anything special simply because they choose to engage in homosexual sex? What of those who like sheep -why can't they marry sheep? What of the asexuals -why can't they marry themselves?

Ohhhh... The moral relative humanity! The truth twisted like a pretzel by the community organizer messiah of homosexual sex...

Just because one can fight or die for this country does not mean this country has to accept any and every disordered activity they choose to engage in as something of value to be cherished or something legitimately premising societal recognition and privilege. Just because emperor wanna be Obama places value in homosexual sex means nothing!

Mr. Obama you are a clueless idiot supported by useful idiots -get over yourself you marxist twit.

28 posted on 12/25/2010 5:36:15 PM PST by DBeers (†)
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To: arthurus
That's exactly right and with the coming of Obamacare you know that sooner or later AIDS treatments will be classed as too expensive in relation to their effectiveness right along with a whole lot of much less expensive things.

If, however, queers can dodge the Obamacare sanctions by serving a few years in the military, they're home free. They know the military expenditures for medical care are going to be a lot more difficult to cut and are going to be exempt from the same regulations as others governed by.

The democrat fascists were positive that having an all volunteer military wouldn't work. They just knew that people didn't really want to serve and defend their nation so having an all volunteer military would lead to ever shrinking forces no matter what we needed or sought. They also were sure that the quality of the force would decline.

Go back and read some of what passed for "deep thoughts" on the fascist side of the isle in the seventies and you'll see what I mean. Ever since the volunteer military has proved to be a success, they've tried again and again to find ways to undermine the military, reduce the number of people who will be attracted to service, dictate lower quality volunteers be accepted, and everything else they can think of to make our military less capable. This is just another of their assaults on the military with that same goal as the real motive, not the "equality" of opportunity they harp on.

Regards

29 posted on 12/25/2010 5:59:17 PM PST by Rashputin (Barry is totally insane and being kept medicated and on golf courses to hide the fact)
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To: jonrick46
Plan on huge costs for the taxpayer to follow as we give AIDS medical care to homosexual “spouses.”

A decease caught by a personal act, that is avoidable, is already considered an SSI disability, thanks to the dead POS from Massachusetts.

30 posted on 12/25/2010 6:12:59 PM PST by org.whodat
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
''The partners of gay service members will not at this point be given any special rights or any rights that parallel those of a spouse.''

Yes they will.

The CIC will order it so, as he did with Federal Employees.

Here

and

Here.

Faux Spouses!

31 posted on 12/25/2010 6:56:56 PM PST by sonofagun (Some think my cynicism grows with age. I like to think of it as wisdom!)
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Just more toxic waste issuing from 0bastard and his associates. Toxic waste, filth, garbage. If the incoming R controlled House doesn't act with courage and complete unconcern about what the leftists and media think, we've gone through all the boxes except the last one.

32 posted on 12/25/2010 7:16:19 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.CSLewis)
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To: little jeremiah

Every society that has openly embraced this perversion has crumbled... we cannot and will not be any different if we do not reverse course, and soon.


33 posted on 12/25/2010 7:45:35 PM PST by freedomwarrior998
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

When you try to “normalize” homosexuality, you will always hit a wall. It is a turning inside out of all that is right and good... it can’t be done without full and complete corruption, which is exactly what evil is all about. The evil wishes to turn black what is white, to dirty what is clean, to kill what is alive and to mock the design of God.


34 posted on 12/25/2010 7:50:30 PM PST by dps.inspect (the system is rigged...)
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To: freedomwarrior998

Exactly. We have to fight in every way we can, and pray.

Never give up.


35 posted on 12/25/2010 8:00:58 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.CSLewis)
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To: rbg81

The Democrats know that they don’t have the military as a voting block. After the repeal of DADT now comes the move to unionize the military. This is the Democrats’ attempt to take a voting DEMO from the GOP.


36 posted on 12/25/2010 9:39:04 PM PST by paltz
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

As if this is a surprise and we didn’t see it coming. PERVERTS.


37 posted on 12/26/2010 12:17:30 PM PST by mojitojoe (In it’s 1600 years of existence, Islam has 2 main accomplishments, psychotic violence and goat curr)
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