Skip to comments.Delaware Exit Polls: Castle Would Have Lost 2010 US Senate race
Posted on 12/27/2010 2:57:58 PM PST by Moseley
Mike Castle would have lost the US Senate race in Delaware to Democrat Chris Coons, according to surprising exit polls by CNN in Delaware on election day, November 2, 2010. Contradicting theories advanced by Delaware Republican insiders, voters in Delaware on November 2 would have elected Democrat Chris Coons regardless of whether the Republican nominee were Mike Castle or Christine ODonnell. The analysis places the focus on calls for systemic reforms of the Republican Party of Delaware.
According to CNN: despite pre-election polls that showed longtime Republican Rep. Mike Castle handily beating Coons in a hypothetical match-up, the voters who turned out today said they would still probably have sent Coons to Washington over Castle, backing him 44-43 percent.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/11/02/exit-polls-the-surprise-in-delaware/#more-132853 Exit Polls: the surprise in Delaware, by CNNs Rebecca Sinderbrand, Novmeber 2, 2010.
Exit polls for Fox News also found that Christine ODonnell won the votes of Independents by 49% to 46%. (The graphic shows these percentages reversed 46% to 49% compared to the anchor's report.)
Meanwhile, only 82% of Republicans voted for Christine ODonnell.
It is undeniable that Republicans failing to unify behind the Republican nominee ODonnell cost the Republican Party the US Senate seat. An amazing 18% of Republicans rejected their partys nominee and voted for the Democrat Chris Coons. Republicans voting against their partys nominee cost the US Senate seat from Delaware for the GOP.
CNNs analysis further explained: the exit polls lay out the political and demographic roadblocks facing any Tea Party favorite here. Nearly half the state's voters describe themselves as moderate. Nearly another 1 in 4 call themselves liberal. This is Biden country: 58 percent of Delaware voters say they approve of President Obama's job performance. And 36 percent say they strongly oppose the Tea Party.
“This is Biden country”
I pity the state of Delaware. To many buffoons in the state and not enough Conservatives. A prescription for failure.
Thanks to Karl “Porky Pig” Rove!!!
One thing is certain, when your own arty won’t back you it is doubtful you will win.
Christine O’Donnell was shot in the back the night after the primary’s.
FNC is anything but conservative. It's a combination of RINOs and neocons with a good sprinkling of liberals thrown in for good measure.
Well, you don’t have to remind me to never set foot in that little shithole state.
BOR wouldn’t be bad if he would ask the guest a question, and then allow the guest to complete the answer.
BOR has this compulsion to interrupt the guest after the guest says 3 or 4 words of the first sentence. Then you get BOR and the guest talking on top of one another. And his sometime host, Laura Ingraham is just as bad, if not worse.
At least Greta usually allows the guest to answer the question, in full.
Why? They know what they're doing (er, getting!)! Pity ourselves when we have to subsidize them.
I always refer to Hannity as “Dunce Boy”, man that guy is a brick short of a full load.
You hear that, Karl, you worthless establishment troll.
People in DE don’t know that though. They truly believe that success rests with government “action” to “solve”
“problems,” and there’s nothing we can do to reverse that misguided “thinking.”
Mostly too DE is a “handing chad” congressional district dropping out of Philadelphia. Too bad the old Penn family cut it separate from PA
Based on the way those simple mice vote, I'm glad it's separated. I wonder if they'd take Philadelphia?
The good news is that DE only has 3 electoral votes. The bad news is they have 2 senators like every other state.
Which is another way of saying that Republican party did not unite behind the Republican nominee.
Conservatives are always expected to support the party nominee if it is a moderate. Moderates always betray the party if they don’t get their way. This has been going on for 40 years, since when Christine was 1 years old.
Republican moderates ran moderate GOP Congressman John Anderson as a third-party candidate against Ronald Reagan in 1980 to try to sabotage and defeat Ronald Reagan’s campaign for President.
Republican moderates ran moderate Republican MARSHALL COLEMAN in the 1994 US Senate race to destroy Oliver North’s campaign for US Senate. Coleman pulled away enough Republican votes to help elect CHUCK ROBB to the US Senate.
This states the problem: Conservatives have for years been hood-winked into supporting moderate Republican nominees, while moderates sabotage and destroy any conservative who wins the nomination.
If the moderates had not run a third-party candidate, Oliver North would have been elected:
Virginia United States Senate election, 1994
Party Candidate Votes % ±%
Democratic Chuck Robb 938,376 45.6 %
Republican Oliver North 882,213 42.9 %
Independent Marshall Coleman 235,324 11.4 %
The problem with the analysis is that it doesn’t take into account that the Republican turnout was suppressed.
You are correct in that this doesn’t take into account what the voter turnout would have looked like had Castle been in the mix. A 1% negative number is basically a statistical tie. The one thing I think this really shows is that the voters have told COD for the 3rd time in five years they aren’t interested in her as a state wide elected politician. She may well have a future in some position in DE but it doesn’t appear to be an elected one.
Exit polls about the outcome of a race that was never waged are pretty much meaningless. He may have lost, he may have won. We don’t know...the moves on the chess board that would have determined that ultimate outcome of such a matchup were never made by either side.
Hopefully...this will not be a repeat of the continuous false election assertion....like the one still pushed today that Ross Perot cost Bush 41 the White House...when all polls showed that Clinton would have won without Perot in the election.
Castle would not have beaten Coons....lets hope that the Liberal RINO element in the GOP does not use the “Castle would have beat Coons” falsehood
Perhaps, but it is the only evidence we have got.
By contrast, GOP moderates in Delaware are busy spinning their theories based purely on rank speculation, with no evidence to support htem whatsoever.
SO the only evidence we have shows that the Republican Party of Delaware needs to restructure and rebuild... not hide behind excuses of blaming one individual.
Sadly, the moderate Republicans in Delaware are desperately spinning to avoid making the strucutral changes and reforms and improvements necessary to win elections in Delaware.
They are desperately trying to use Christine O’Donnell as an excuse to defectl blame from themselves.
Democrat voter registration leaped 17.6% in Delaware from 2007 to 2010. The GOP is not doing its job at party building.
Yet they are trying to avoid confronting the situation by trying to make excuses and blame one individual.
But it was easier to blame O’Donnell.
I always believed that the idiot Lib majority in Delaware would prefer a true unrepentant Lib like Coons, than a Lib wannabe GOPer like Castle. So, I never believed that Castle or O’Donnell had a real chance. Their primary contest and O’Donnells run was a made-for-the-media diversion, while the majority in Delaware were already behind Coons.
Rove blaming O’Donnell and O’Donnell supporters blaming people like Rove was also just an entertaining diversion - a diversion from the fact of how extremely Left-Lib the state of Delaware is.
At any gathering of Republicans if Karl Rove or Charles Krauthammer, or any of these pundits appear or speak, I hope they get booed off the stage.
Likewise, if Rove appears on, say Fox, I hope the show gets flooded with negative e-Mails.
Rove is a detriment to true conservatives. The left will use his negativity against us.
I disagree - it is not evidence at all. Both sides are merely speculating about the outcome of an event that never occurred to be observed - the exit poll ads no weight as it was a poll on something that they never actually had to make a decision on. We know that O’Donnell ran an embarrassingly poor campaign, which given the enormous amount of resources she had, cannot be blamed on anyone but her own campaign. The ‘GOP moderates’ are assuming Castle would have run a more effective campaign...but there is no way of knowing that as it didn’t happen. The fact he just sat back and thought he would coast to victory in the primary and did not tap his vast resources until very late in the game indicates he may have taken the same approach to the general election with his wide lead in the polls he was starting out with and then end up losing. We just don’t know, and there is nothing observable to analyze since the event never happened.
Well, we thank you for that. We already have enough losers in this state to overcome including the Democrat stronghold of Wilmington and the northern New Castle RINOs who made Coons election a certainty. Those of us who didn’t particularly enthuse over O’Donnell and voted for her anyway at least felt we took a spear for the team by getting Castle out in the primary. He would have voted along straight party lines in the lame duck session -the Democrat party line.
If the 18% of "republicans" that voted for Coons had instead ALL voted for O'Donnell, she still would have lost.
Here is the actual table from the CNN exit polls (sometimes people talk about a different exit poll when they suggest O'Donnell won the independent vote): CNN Exit Poll Delaware:
Final counts: Total: 296924; Coons: 173,900; O'Donnell: 123,025.Total Coons O'Donnell Other/No Answer Democrat (44%) 89% 9% 2% Republican (30%) 16% 81% 3% Independent(27%) 48% 45% 7%
Republican vote 30%*296924=89,077.2; 16% of that vote=14,252.
So if we added the 14252 to O'Donnell's total and took them from Coons, the final would be Coons: 159,624, O'Donnell 137,277. So she would still lose by a considerable amount (54% to 46%, an 8-point loss).
So you can't blame the republicans who showed up and voted for Coons instead of O'Donnell.
Further, it is silly to look at the actual voters on election night, and assert that the same voters would have shown up had Castle been the nominee. Especially when another argument made is that Castle voters stayed home, hurting O'Donnell. If the voters who showed up for a coons/O'Donnell race would have only barely chosen Coons over Castle, it is clear that in a real Coons/Castle race Castle would have trounced Coons.
Of course, that argument was clearly made when this exit poll was actually NEWS 2 months ago, and the poster of THAT thread ignored it.
Why this same exit poll is considered news by ANYBODY at this point is the more interesting question. Some people like to keep talking about the past hoping they can change it by spinning it.
It could be they are not, or it could be that people in delaware are democrats.
It would be nice to live in the world where if the GOP just did it’s job, every voter would register republican and we would win all the elections.
BTW, did you ever figure out who the campaign chair was for O’Donnell in the 2008 general election? I didn’t see you answer that question in the last thread.
You guys still believeing that Christine—broomstick—O’ Donnell had a chance?
they just freaking handed the country a communist and an elite ruling class communist at that....
they have to live with their stupidity and arrogance....too bad the rest of us do too...
dougy hoffman comes to mind....
Is your argument now that Castle would only draw votes from registered republicans, and that independents and democrats weren’t among his supporters who would have stayed home?
Remember, Castle was about the most liberal “republican” in the country. That was the reason he had to be defeated. It seems odd now to try to argue that his support was only among registered republicans, especially given that when the registered republicans voted in the primary, he LOST.
I know you were involved in running political campaigns, so I have to assume you are intelligent enough to not really believe that a 44-43 exit poll against a candidate who wasn’t ON the ballot means that candidate couldn’t win.
And we haven’t even mentioned that a sizable part of O’Donnell’s voter base would never have said in an exit poll that they would vote for Castle. IN fact, I could see a lot of them saying they would have voted for Coons, precisely so they could make this stupid argument now.
Just be happy that O’Donnell, for all her flaws, managed with Palin’s help to keep Castle from winning the republican nomination. You should be PROUD that Castle was stopped, not trying to argue that he wouldn’t have won anyway.
You know that, by arguing that “he wouldn’t have won”, you are actually giving credence to those who say that if he could have won, he should have been the nominee, regardless of his views. Otherwise, there would be no reason to make the argument.
I never thought she could win. Didn’t stop me from sending her money, and HOPING she would win.
Anyway, there was always the hope that, having endorsed her, Palin and the tea party would step in and take over for the missing-in-action Delaware Republican establishment. Or at least Palin would have had some contacts to send O’Donnell a decent campaign staff who would be strong enough to stop her from making a commercial where she insists she is not a crook. Wait, I mean “not a witch”.
Which is my way of pointing out the obvious flaw in that commercial — given the rumors about her previous campaign money (makes no difference if they were true or not, people knew about them), the last thing she wanted to do was remind people of Richard Nixon. “I am not a witch”?
That I agree with. That’s way too late to end a primary. You would have to have confidence that you were going to win, and essentially build a good campaign staff FOR the primary that could follow you into the general election.
On the other hand, if they had their primary back in the spring, Castle would have won easily, as we were still in the “we need to win elections” (see Scott Brown), and not into the “we are going to win big, so we should try to get real conservatives” mode.
A September primary also doesn’t give the candidates enough time to heal the wounds of the primary campaign, or for the losers to get over it and back the winners.
Why are you talking about “broomstick” about a woman who gave her heart to Jesus Christ 19 years ago and has been a passionate, outspoken, and dedicated Christian — in the public eye — for 19 years?
What kind of person are you?
I’m just trying to understand the argument. You claim that since republicans showed up at a higher rate than their registration, there couldn’t have been Castle supporters staying home who would have shown up and voted for him, and therefore the “44-43” exit poll results is an accurate reflection of the electorate you would expect had Castle been the nominee.
I believe you are wrong on multiple counts, because first the increase in Republican turnout was likely solid conservatives supporting O’Donnell who would probably have told exit pollsters that they would NOT have voted for Castle, and second because it is almost certain that had Castle been the nominee, more people who supported him would have shown up on election day than showed up for an election where he wasn’t running.
And in fact, it may even be true that Castle would have pulled the house seat to the republican side. That was another race where the establishment candidate lost the primary to an outsider, and having Castle to pull the establishment voters to the polls MAY possibly have helped — although it is just as likely that the kind of voters Castle brought would be the kind who would vote for a democrat for the house seat.
And of course, with polls showing Castle beating Coons easily, Coons wouldn’t have gotten all the support he got once the democrats realised they had the seat back in play.
And lastly, and this you should know because you were involved in delaware politics, in these “highly lopsided” states, registration is not indicative of where voters really are in the political spectrum. People who would register republican in a competitive state register democrat because often that is where the winning candidates are chosen, in the primary of the democratic party. It was the same in Maryland; you’d have a large democrat advantage, but when a sufficiently moderate republican ran, they would get a large part of the democrat vote.
IN this election, with a candidate who by every measure was to the far right of the political spectrum, and even with all the baggage real or percieved heaped upon her, and her lack of experience, and the jokes made on her behalf, she STILL managed to take 9% of the DEMOCRAT vote. Which, in terms of raw numbers, was almost as many democrat voters as she lost republican voters.
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