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Democrats Force ‘Birther’ Issue to Rise Again: What Gives?
Pajamas Media ^ | December 29, 2010 | Kyle-Anne Shiver

Posted on 12/30/2010 9:24:48 AM PST by Kaslin

I believe that the president was born in Hawaii. But am I the only curious cat who thinks it's rather odd for that state's newly-elected governor, plus Chris Matthews of MSNBC, both liberal Democrats, to have just forced the "Birther" issue to rise again?

Am I the only curious cat in America who thinks it rather odd that the newly elected governor of Hawaii — a liberal Democrat — has just forced the “Birther” issue to rise again?

Not only has Hawaii’s governor-elect, Neil Abercrombie, just announced that he is on a mission to bury the “Birther” issue, but Chris “Obama-sends-a-tingle-up-my-leg” Matthews now wants to know why President Obama doesn’t release the darned document and put this relentlessly pursuing ghost to rest once and for all.

If Abercrombie and Matthews were utterly desperate Republican operatives, hog-tied to a sinking political ship, I might understand the newly reincarnated brouhaha. But both these men are as-liberal-as-liberal-gets Democrats. And Republicans, at this juncture, are anything but desperate. They are set to begin the 112th Congress with the clout of a mid-term election landslide not seen since 1938.

So, what on earth would motivate a governor-elect with more real problems than any sane man would want on his plate to go fiddling around in an issue which for all intents and purposes is as dead as a doornail?

It simply makes no sense in the real world, where real unemployment still hovers at double-digits, where the president is about to face a real hostile Congress, and in an atmosphere where the season’s holly- jolly spirit is about to melt faster than snow on the ground in Atlanta.

If you ask me, this folderol of reincarnating the “Birther” issue by two prominent liberal Democrats just smacks of orchestrated political psy-ops. Hoping to get a prominent and public rise out of Republicans and/or conservative pundits, these two utterly loyal-to-the-president guys — Abercrombie and Matthews — are simply creating a diversion in the hopes that their party can regain some of the traction it’s lost over the past 2 years.

Now, I’ve never fit the standard, press-defined definition of a “Birther.” I do believe that the president was born in Hawaii. I’ve written only one column on the “Birther” controversy and that was back in August 2009. As I opined back then, the whole controversy has legs because of the complete dearth of documentation regarding this president. No presidential candidate of the past 30 years has been permitted the level of secrecy and non-disclosure that President Obama received.

To date the following are all undisclosed:

1) 1961 long-form, original, signed birth certificate
2) Marriage license between Obama’s father (Barak Sr.) and mother (Stanley Ann Dunham) — not found, not released
3) Obama’s baptism records — sealed

4) Obama’s adoption records — sealed
5) Records of Obama’s and his mother’s repatriation as U.S. citizens on return from Indonesia — not found, not released
6) Name change (Barry Sotero to Barack Hussein Obama) records — not found, not released
7) Noelani Elementary School (Hawaii) — not released

8 ) Punahou School financial aid or school records — not released
9) Occidental College financial aid records — not released.
10) Columbia College records — not released
11) Columbia senior thesis — not released
12) Harvard Law School records — not released

13) Obama’s law client list — sealed
14) Obama’s files from career as an Illinois state senator — sealed
15) Obama’s record with Illinois State Bar Association — sealed
16) Obama’s medical records — not released

17) Obama’s passport records — not released

In my opinion — as a civics-minded citizen — Obama’s as yet unreleased original long-form birth certificate from the state of Hawaii is merely the tip of a mysterious iceberg when it comes to the 44th president of the United States. Any journalist worth an ounce of salt would be curious as to why any presidential candidate would conceal nearly every documented item from his own past. Obviously, America does not have many remaining curious journalists.

For the entire campaign season of ’07-’08, the nation witnessed hordes of “journalists” hot on the trail of Sarah Palin’s wardrobe costs, her final pregnancy and childbirth, and her unwed daughter’s pregnancy. We American voters were privy in ‘08 to seeing the complete, suicidal destruction of a once-heralded media enterprise. Rather than take the responsible position of delving into the very, very important and pertinent non-disclosures of a presidential candidate, these media buffoons chose to lampoon the lady from Alaska with adolescent-styled mischief. The campaign coverage was so bad, so childish, so without real substance that on election day, voters still knew next to nothing of substance about the man who would be their next president.

Which brings us back to the original question as to why on earth the Democrat duo of Abercrombie and Matthews would want to raise the all-but-dead “Birther” issue. The country has beyond-huge problems on its plate and Obama has two years to go before his reelection bid.

As much as I detest Chris Matthews, he makes a very salient point, when he asks why on earth the president hasn’t just released the darned document. Barack Obama has been the defendant in more than a dozen eligibility lawsuits since 2008. He has employed legal counsel to answer every one of them; lawyers do not serve free for millionaires like Obama. The cost of supplying the long-form, original birth certificate, which has been said by many officials to be on file in Hawaii, is approximately $15. No matter how one does arithmetic, $15 is bound to be less than Obama has paid lawyers to prevent the release of said document.

Now, we have the governor-elect of Hawaii saying that he will take pains to have state law revised which will enable him to legally release “certain details” contained on the original birth certificate — presumably prior to the 2012 presidential election. It is possible, I suppose, that there are details on that birth certificate which belie the Obama narrative, details that might prove a substantive embarrassment of some sort.

A president elected on the strength of a narrative must protect that narrative at all costs. Abercrombie and Matthews are merely carrying water for the Obama narrative and attempting to divert the public’s attention from more substantive issues, namely the remaining dearth of real background data on the 44th president of the United States.

Journalism certainly isn’t what it used to be. Nor is it even a shade of what it’s supposed to be. Shame is too mild a word.

For all the modern press notables that slam Sarah Palin’s lack of intellectual curiosity, there isn’t a single American journalist who has demonstrated even a speck of the stuff when it comes to Barack Obama. It’s a purely disgusting state of affairs.


TOPICS: Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; birthers; certifigate; chrismatthews; conman; conspiracytheory; naturalborncitizen; neilabercrombie; obama; obamanation
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1 posted on 12/30/2010 9:24:51 AM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Could be that Abercrombie is a Clintonian who wants to take Dumb0 down before Dumb0 takes down the entire dimmocrat party.


2 posted on 12/30/2010 9:30:32 AM PST by PhilosopherStone1000
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To: Kaslin
Birther

It was a misprint. It was really "Birtha" as in "Big Birtha" - the government the liberals can never get enough of.

3 posted on 12/30/2010 9:30:35 AM PST by Jim 0216
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To: Kaslin

A lot of us have been saying, since 2009, that the birther thing may be the “insurance” his puppetmasters had, to cash in only if necessary.

It looks like some may not like the way this is playing out, and it may become “necessary” to remove him.


4 posted on 12/30/2010 9:30:41 AM PST by RobRoy (The US Today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: Kaslin

It’s never wrong to question the motives of a dhimmicrat.


5 posted on 12/30/2010 9:35:28 AM PST by rockrr ("I said that I was scared of you!" - pokie the pretend cowboy)
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To: RobRoy

On the other hand, Cass Sunstein has said that things like this could be used against their political enemies.

I’m guessing there’s some misdirection or a setup involved here.


6 posted on 12/30/2010 9:36:30 AM PST by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: Kaslin
Did you ever stop to think that Matthews and Abercrombie are stupid?

I think that every time I hear their names mentioned.

7 posted on 12/30/2010 9:37:31 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Kaslin

Even as governor, Abercrombie can’t release those records unless 0bama okays it. This is either some kind of head fake distraction to stir-up the birthers or they finally found some expert forger to produce some more convincing documents.


8 posted on 12/30/2010 9:39:22 AM PST by smokingfrog (Do all the talking you want, but do what I tell you.)
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To: Kaslin

> What Gives?

Either they have a forgery in the wings, or this is a coup by the DemonRAT establishment fearing that the jig is up for the communist poseur 0bamao.


9 posted on 12/30/2010 9:39:26 AM PST by Westbrook (Having children does not divide your love, it multiplies it.)
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To: Kaslin

The guy sum’s it up well....


10 posted on 12/30/2010 9:40:35 AM PST by tophat9000 (.............................. BP + BO = BS ...........................Formula for a disaster...)
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To: Kaslin

From another thread, applicable here:

I see the setup. After much ballyhoo, the actual, real long form will be revealed, and there will be a media-wide blitz to inform everyone everywhere that it proves that Barry was born in Hawaii and the Birthers have as much cred as the Truthers and the Grassy Knoll theorists.

The blitz probably will run for two weeks and will include news coverage covering other news coverage, plus “drops” in sitcoms, the late night shows, and the weather and traffic reports (jk).

This will be done to divert attention from the real issues, which is eligibility, the Constitution, and being a natural born citizen of the United States of America.

Then there are the school records we have not seen. This is all so irritating since the last president we had made his dental records public to prove he was on base on a certain day!


11 posted on 12/30/2010 9:40:41 AM PST by DBrow
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To: Kaslin
I'll tell you what gives.

It defies belief that Stanley Anne Dunham gave birth to her son in Kenya - that an 18 year old traveled from America to a Third World country in 1961 in order to give birth.

Obama has concealed his "long form" birth certificate because it contains information that contradicts his carefully constructed life story.

It may very well list his name as "Barry Dunham" or "Stanley Dunham." It may very well designate his father as "unknown."

It may cast into question his true paternity, and reveal his entire "Dreams From My Father" mystique as a desperate act of self-invention.

12 posted on 12/30/2010 9:40:58 AM PST by wideawake
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To: Kaslin

Bttt.


13 posted on 12/30/2010 9:43:15 AM PST by Inyo-Mono (Had God not driven man from the Garden of Eden the Sierra Club surely would have.)
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To: cripplecreek

You bet....what this says is that the forgery birth certificate is now ready — took them a long time because they had to make it really good...be prepared for a full BC soon...


14 posted on 12/30/2010 9:43:42 AM PST by majormaturity
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To: wideawake
IMHO that is the best theory. The LFBC shows something that contradicts is “story”. That said all the other stuff that is not available still puzzles me also.
15 posted on 12/30/2010 9:44:17 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ (V for Vendetta.)
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To: PhilosopherStone1000

No, Abercrombie will do nothing but talk and talk, and the truth will never be revealed. The American people aren’t politically mature enough to accept the truth.


16 posted on 12/30/2010 9:45:23 AM PST by Theodore R. (Rush was right when he said America may survive Obama but not the Obama supporters.)
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To: Kaslin

The sudden attention of Abercrombie, Matthews, the Chicago Sun-Times, CNN, etc. is very likely their attempt to show, “aha! he WAS born in HI,” diverting attention from the ‘natural born’ language of the Constitution, and the possibility the SCOTUS could take up that question.

The birth certificate, imo, has never been anything but a red herring. Obama’s birth place, or documentation therof, is totally irrelevant assuming the deVatell definition of ‘natural born’ is what the Framers adopted.

The media ‘blitz’ from the left could well be coordinated by Mrs. Robert Bauer (Anita Dunn), former WH communications director. Bauer himself is now WH counsel; his firm has just entered as counsel of record (supplanting the Solicitor General) in a case that is now before the SCOTUS.


17 posted on 12/30/2010 9:45:44 AM PST by EDINVA
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To: majormaturity

Yes, agreed. Watch out America, you’re about to get fooled again.


18 posted on 12/30/2010 9:47:37 AM PST by freebird5850 (When 0bama fails, FREEDOM prevails!)
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To: Kaslin

Kaslin

Your instincts are correct Democrats raising this issue is certainly suspicious.

However it is easily explained. Democrats are employing a tactic by which they go on offense with their weakest liability. Their hope is to intimidate so-called birthers and people such as yourself from making the BC an issue for 2012. If they can control the narrative by making questioning Soetoro’s BC as nutty and kinda stupid weak kneed Republicans wouldn’t dare to pursue the subject thereby forcing Republicans to fold on a very strong hand.

In Poker terminology Democrats are bluffing. They don’t want to show their hand so they’re raising the stakes to get Republicans to fold in this issue.

The fact is if Soetoro had a birth certificate he could show he’d have shown it by now.

All the more reason to pursue this. This issue is the lynch pin that brings everything down. Soetoro’s executive orders, his appointments, the laws he’s signed and the Democrat Party. Everything end when this usurper is exposed.

And I mustn’t forget to mention Democrats and Republicans who aided and abetted in this treasonous presidency will suffer the consequences for their treason against the United States of America.


19 posted on 12/30/2010 9:48:40 AM PST by Alaphiah123 (The corruption of man, as Emerson wrote, leads to the corruption of language. And the corruption of)
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To: Kaslin

Seeing 1-17 spelled out, listing all of the records that have not been released concerning Barry, is most impressive. Chris Matthews, if you are perusing FR, what do you have to say about all of this? Lift the curtain, Chris...show us what the Kenyan Wizard is hiding.


20 posted on 12/30/2010 9:49:20 AM PST by JPG (YES SHE CAN!)
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To: RobRoy
It looks like some may not like the way this is playing out, and it may become “necessary” to remove him.

You may be right. The other thing I was thinking is this: They finally have the ink dry on all their documents and the "package" is ready for public scrutiny. They have their supporting witnesses, people who now suddenly "remember" x, y, or z about hussein etc. They've also tracked down and bought-off or scared-off into silence anyone who could refute the contents of their "package." So now they are ready to make it an issue again, and shortly, with great fanfare, the "package" will be released, the MSM will lap it up...

So yeah, either they are ready, or as you say, someone is pulling the chain, tightening the choke-collar on hussein, reminding him of his "obligations." We'll know soon - see if hussein keeps pushing his un-American and anti-America agenda and more un-Constitutional expansion of government, union payoffs, etc.

21 posted on 12/30/2010 9:49:31 AM PST by ThunderSleeps (Stop obama now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: wideawake
Obama has concealed his “long form” birth certificate because it contains information that contradicts his carefully constructed life story.

It may very well designate his father as “unknown.”

A theory we have seen before but I like your reason best.

22 posted on 12/30/2010 9:50:26 AM PST by Jolla
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To: mad_as_he$$

IMHO that is the best theory. The LFBC shows something that contradicts is “story”. That said all the other stuff that is not available still puzzles me also.


Not really, if the name Barack Obama is an alias then his records may disclose his real legal name (and paterinty & maternity). If you recall, the 2nd (legitimate) swearing in of Obama was done in private. We are not privy to the particulars of that ceremony.


23 posted on 12/30/2010 9:51:06 AM PST by Hotlanta Mike (TeaNami)
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To: PhilosopherStone1000
Could be that Abercrombie is a Clintonian who wants to take Dumb0 down before Dumb0 takes down the entire dimmocrat party.

Kinda go along with that. thats why clinton is quiting her sec of state job, I dont think obama will be the candidate. however I highly doubt there will be ANY proof that he was born in kenyan...even if that were the case I think Frank Marshall davis was his daddy, the guy is total fraud and if you open his college records you probably would find out he enrolled as a foreign student to get "aid"

24 posted on 12/30/2010 9:51:36 AM PST by 09Patriot (your freedom to be you, includes my freedom to be from you.--Wilkow)
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To: Westbrook

It could also be BOTH, and that would make things VERY INTERESTING.


25 posted on 12/30/2010 9:53:22 AM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Kaslin

The last election gave the pubbies a super majority in both state houses and the governorships of many states. pubbies from several state houses have said already that after the first of the year —they will introduce legislation to
make it mandatory that every presidential candidate
present a valid birth certificate.


26 posted on 12/30/2010 9:53:29 AM PST by ckilmer (Phi)
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To: ThunderSleeps

Yes, but I believe it is WND that pointed out that the newspapers gave Urkel’s parents address as his grandparents address, while Urkel’s dad had another address on the island. Yet the governor’s accounts contradict that. I’m taking just one snippet.

Thing is, if you are going to fabricate a very complex lie, don’t be surprised if you forgot something. And because this is a young president, people that were around at the time are still alive.


27 posted on 12/30/2010 9:53:37 AM PST by RobRoy (The US Today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: EDINVA

I think Albercromie is using this as a means to blackmail the president into giving Hawaii federal funding to get it out of its financial crisis.


28 posted on 12/30/2010 9:54:10 AM PST by Retired Intelligence Officer
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To: Hotlanta Mike

True. There is some dark secret that needs to be sanitized by sunlight.


29 posted on 12/30/2010 9:54:48 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ (V for Vendetta.)
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To: majormaturity
You bet....what this says is that the forgery birth certificate is now ready — took them a long time because they had to make it really good...be prepared for a full BC soon..."

Ok...so explain to me how they can create a forged document that fits in with existing dates and consecutive serial numbers....?

Remember there have been several authentic long form birth certificates posted from around the same date....

I seem to recall the BC's of twins born almost at the same time as 0bambi.

30 posted on 12/30/2010 9:55:03 AM PST by spokeshave (Islamics and Democrats unite to cut off Adam Smith's invisible hand)
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To: Kaslin

They want to see if they can kill it before 2012 election. A lot of people know the truth and were in on the coverup including Hillary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi; etc.


31 posted on 12/30/2010 9:58:12 AM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: wideawake

I think you hit it on the head....he’s probably had such a
sham of a life, he has to hide everything he really is...
The father may not be known, it’s true, but that may be cuz
his Mom couldn’t remember things. My semi-paranoid guess is
that since he is destroying the cred of the Democrats, it is
really a preemptive strike by Hillarys team to constantly
degrade him, to the point where the Dems have to go for
HIllary next election cycle. I think the Dems did the same
to both Bushes...constantly attacking till the public perception of
the attackee takes on the words of the attacker. They are also
going after the not quite ready to vote crowd and influencing
them to dislike ‘Bama, and be ready to let a real politician(ha!)
Hillary take over...It’s all pretty well calculated...

What a presidential failure...only took about 6-8 months to
prove his incompetence...


32 posted on 12/30/2010 9:58:59 AM PST by Getready (Wisdom is more valuable than gold and diamonds, and harder to find.)
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To: Kaslin

good summary


33 posted on 12/30/2010 9:59:46 AM PST by RightGeek (FUBO and the donkey you rode in on)
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To: Kaslin

“...the all-but-dead “Birther” issue.”

Incorrect. The wheels of justice grind slowly. It has taken 2 years for several cases to reach the Supreme Court. Two more are slated for January 7th and 14th. The issue was never all-but-dead and it is not going away.


“The country has beyond-huge problems on its plate and Obama has two years to go before his reelection bid.”

Obama at some point will need to decide whether he is running for re-election and then place his name on the State ballots (there are deadlines involved in order to do so). In the meantime several States are asserting their rights since Congress failed on January 8, 2009 to verify Obama’s consitutional eligibility.

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=144909


34 posted on 12/30/2010 10:01:41 AM PST by Hotlanta Mike (TeaNami)
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To: Alaphiah123

My take is that crissy is trying to geta a bit of credibility and abercrombie is going for the clinton tactic of a “limited hangout.” (I think that is what they called a confession to somethinng minor and a call to move on - when in fact there was something deeper and more damning at the next level.)

The limited hangout is intended to control the investigative process, and make sure that the damning material never sees the light of day.


35 posted on 12/30/2010 10:02:20 AM PST by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: Alaphiah123

My take is that crissy is trying to geta a bit of credibility and abercrombie is going for the clinton tactic of a “limited hangout.” (I think that is what they called a confession to somethinng minor and a call to move on - when in fact there was something deeper and more damning at the next level.)

The limited hangout is intended to control the investigative process, and make sure that the damning material never sees the light of day.


36 posted on 12/30/2010 10:02:33 AM PST by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: Kaslin

They are going to produce a “forged” BC or some record, trying to get him on the ballot in 2012.

Several of the States will “demand proof” the next time of his “Natural Born Citizenship”. He cannot produce such proof if BH Obama Sr. is his father. BHO Sr. was an English citizen when Obozo was born, hence is not a NBC if BHO Sr. is the father.... End of story. (may be)


37 posted on 12/30/2010 10:03:04 AM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one.)
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To: Kaslin

will no $10 certified birth certificate rid us of these troublesome evasions?


38 posted on 12/30/2010 10:07:18 AM PST by silverleaf (All that is necessary for evil to succeed, is that good men do nothing)
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To: Kaslin

When the proof finally comes out it will be thrown over the fence by DEMOCRATS frightened that their commie president will destroy their Party and keep them in the minority for decades.


39 posted on 12/30/2010 10:13:42 AM PST by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: DBrow

From another thread, applicable here:

I see the setup. After much ballyhoo, the actual, real long form will be revealed, and there will be a media-wide blitz to inform everyone everywhere that it proves that Barry was born in Hawaii and the Birthers have as much cred as the Truthers and the Grassy Knoll theorists.


I think you pretty much summed it up. They believe this issue can be used to discredit conservatives.

Of course, they may also regret going down this road. Obama has been the most secretive politician in memory when it comes to his personal history. Even minor things like which classes he took in college (we’re not even talking grades or teacher’s here, just the names of the classes) haven’t been revealed. He may just be that way out of habit, or there might really be something there.

As others have pointed out on this thread, the most likely reason his actual birth certificate hasn’t been revealed is there is something on it that contradicts the story he has created around himself. The mother is listed as unmarried; a different father is given; the race is listed as white; he was given a different name at birth; there are a number of things that might be on there that he wants to keep hidden.

Overall the (imho) the push should be less on his birth certificate, and more on his other records. What other candidate can get away without even releasing their college records? None I can think of.

BTW, they have let one item slip out. Obama graduated from Harvard Magna Cum Laude. Sounds impressive until you think about the scales (these are Harvard’s definitions).

Cum Laude - with honor (75% on the general scale).
Magna Cum Laude - with great honor (80% on the general scale)
Summa Cum Laude - with highest honor (90% on the general scale)

What we know from this is that Obama was nowhere near the top of his class at Harvard. Hardly the the super-genius he is made out to be.


40 posted on 12/30/2010 10:14:38 AM PST by Brookhaven (Moderates = non-thinkers)
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To: wideawake
You are on the right track. This is a setup. The part of the BC that says Obama was born in Hawaii will be released. The embarrassing information on other parts of the form will be withheld.

End of story.

41 posted on 12/30/2010 10:14:54 AM PST by SaxxonWoods (Gone Galt and loving it)
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To: Triple

Yes Triple I’ve seen what you’ve described used by Clintonests who are influence by Saul Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals ideology.

Whatever the tactics these anti-Americans use, Americans must demand that all Soetoro records be release for verification and if Soetoro doesn’t he should be voted out.

And after he is voted out the full force of the government should be employed to ascertain whether he and his accomplishes defrauded the United States of America by Usurping the presidency.


42 posted on 12/30/2010 10:16:51 AM PST by Alaphiah123 (The corruption of man, as Emerson wrote, leads to the corruption of language. And the corruption of)
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To: Kaslin
The new Democrat Governor of Hawai'i is part of (leading the charge, actually; the first salvo) a newly hatched plan to rehabilitate O'Bungwad in time for the 2012 General Election.

Apparently his handlers have come up with what they feel is a suitably precisely rendered false long-form BC, and finished putting in place all the little bits and sundries, support actors, etc., for his new "legend." They're ready to trot out the concoction and test their fieldcraft on the American public.

They overlooked something, and if they are allowed or encouraged to proceed with this charade, it is going to blow up in their faces. Just my considered opinion.

To create an entity, a human life story, from whole cloth and pass it off under what will be the most intense scrutiny--employing the most advanced technology in human history--is no longer possible. They missed something, and we'll find it.

;-\

43 posted on 12/30/2010 10:23:20 AM PST by Gargantua (Palin ~ Bachmann 2012)
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To: ckilmer

The last election gave the pubbies a super majority in both state houses and the governorships of many states.


Our newly elected governor actually called Obama out on this already...

Nathan Deal Birther Letter Sent To Obama, White House Confirms

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/13/nathan-deal-birther-lette_n_422171.html


44 posted on 12/30/2010 10:23:35 AM PST by Hotlanta Mike (TeaNami)
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To: Kaslin
I believe that the president was born in Hawaii.

I guess I'd be curious to know what this "belief" is based upon.

ML/NJ

45 posted on 12/30/2010 10:24:32 AM PST by ml/nj
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To: SaxxonWoods

They better hope they get the raised HI State Seal correct this time...


46 posted on 12/30/2010 10:25:13 AM PST by Hotlanta Mike (TeaNami)
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To: SaxxonWoods
Precisely.

Far more important than any birth certificate are: adoption records, passport documents, financial aid forms.

My guess is that Barack Obama was adept at claiming US, Indonesian, Kenyan, British and possibly Canadian nationality as it suited him for educational/financial/travel purposes.

47 posted on 12/30/2010 10:37:56 AM PST by wideawake
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To: Kaslin

These guys know that the states are going to start passing laws requiring obama to show his birth certificate before the next election. So it seems to me that they are trying to completely squash this controversy before the next election cycle begins. They know that they are going to have to come up with a birth certificate eventually, so they’re doing it now. I have no doubt that this has been planned out ahead of time


48 posted on 12/30/2010 10:41:29 AM PST by Free Per the Constitution
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To: Retired Intelligence Officer

The whole thing with Abercrombie is weird beyond words.

Allegedly, Abercrombie was friends with Ann Dunham and BHO, Sr. when they were students, and saw them with the baby during those days. Yet, her friends claim she was in WA within weeks of the birth, Sr went off to MA, and they were divorced within two years.

Then, Abercrombie is in DC during BHO Jr’s entire two year term in the Senate, (overlapping with his nearly two year presidential campaign) and during his first 2 years in the White House. During all that time, this old ‘family friend’ never suggested it’d be easier to release his birth certificate? He waits till he’s back in HI, and as gov has control over all state records?

One would think with BHO, Jr’s obsession with his absent father, he’d have wanted to spend time with the one person who claims to have known and socialized with both his parents, and to have seen them with their baby.

None of this adds up. None of it.


49 posted on 12/30/2010 10:42:26 AM PST by EDINVA
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To: Kaslin

...it only took them 3 years to come up with a good fake...soon to be released to Chrissy Matthews for American consumption since he surprisingly asked about last week. See how it works?


50 posted on 12/30/2010 10:44:14 AM PST by Doogle ((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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