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Jeff Kuhner of WashTimes: Top Democrats & Top Senior Editors Concerned about Obama's Eligibility
Birther Report: Obama Release Your Records ^ | DECEMBER 31, 2010 | Obama Release Your Records

Posted on 12/31/2010 3:34:20 AM PST by RobinMasters

Video: Jeff Kuhner of the Washington Times: People around the White House and in democratic circles including senior top editors afraid to pursue Obama's Eligibility and records concealment.

Kuhner says the Media's abdicating their responsibility to pursue the truth and hold our politicians accountable. Kuhner goes on to say that All know there is something there, saying "where there's smoke, there's fire," and says the Controversy is gaining traction and momentum. This is an excellent interview with Jeff Kuhner.

Via MrTimotheus85; Steve Malzberg Interviews Jeff Kuhner - If The Truth Got Out About Obama There Would Be A Civil War.

(Excerpt) Read more at obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com ...


TOPICS: Government; Military/Veterans; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; birthers; certifigate; harvardresumefraud; kagan; kaganresumefraud; naturalborncitizen; noaccountability; nobirthcertificate; nocredentials; nodocumentation; nothesis; notransparency; noveritas; obama; obamaseligibility; resumefraud
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To: jamese777

Well, if you can’t figure that out then it is obviously no use to you.


121 posted on 12/31/2010 8:49:52 PM PST by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick

btw, for those of you that are interesting in finding the truth about Obama..and not just what will fit your agenda..you might want to read Lolo’s file.

There is info about the child in there, obvious immigration issues as it relates to the child, questions about his status, where he was born, etc...whether or not he is considered Lolo’s son as determined by a certain provision...etc etc etc..

I am still trying to decipher some of it because it is hard to read.

There were ongoing immigation issues with Lolo for years. Lots of redacted info. The name of a one of Ann’s Doctors is in this info.

I would like to see this same info on Obama Sr.


122 posted on 12/31/2010 8:58:26 PM PST by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick

Letter from immigration to the investigation unit in 1966 asking for them to find Ann. They have tried to contact her via letters and but they are returned . Another person at address.

They want to interview her in regards to Lolo’s request for a waiver.

It seems Ann couldn’t keep them apprised of her whereabouts during the ongoing Immigration saga.

A lot hinged on his relationship to Barack. Did he adopt Barack for immigration purposes? Still no sign of it happening but people should be combing these documents to try to find it.


123 posted on 12/31/2010 9:13:42 PM PST by RummyChick
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To: butterdezillion
This is a very comprehensive bill that you propose. Perhaps a little too comprehensive. In dealing with legislators & legislative committees, I have discovered that the first rule to follow is the KISS rule. Keep it simple stupid. I guarantee you that the vast majority of the Texas legislator's eyes will glaze over about half way reading through the bill. I would hate to try to shepard this bill through committee where there are too many opportunities to pick it to death. It appears that you subscribe to the 2 citizen-parent theory. I just don't think there is the political support to pass such a bill, even in Texas with total Republican control. I am not aware of any legislator who supports that language, but most, if not all, will support a bill which requires a certified copy of the Birth certificate which can be used to obtain a US passport to be presented to the SOS before being allowed on the ballot for POTUS.
124 posted on 12/31/2010 9:14:27 PM PST by TNTNT
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To: TNTNT

A state that could investigate this might have its cost offset by the undoing of Obamacare, for instance.

Arizona is paying for border security, the high cost of trying to get the Department of Injustice to actually obey one of the few mandates that the Constitution gives the federal government: securing the states against foreign invasion.

They shouldn’t have to pay to protect the country from foreign invasion of the White House. Somebody else needs to step up to the plate.

Virginia seems to be working on the Obamacare thing; why couldn’t a different state spend money on the eligibility thing rather than duplicating VA’s efforts on Obamacare? It’s ultimately going to be resolved by SCOTUS anyway.

One thing that could/should be done is something that would require Obama to reimburse the taxpayers for all his legal defense if it turns out that money has been spent on what Obama knew was deliberate crimes against the Constitution and the American people. The money that the taxpayers spent on continuing the hoax in the legal system should go to reimburse the state that ends up securing justice for the nation.

Is there anything like that in effect right now, or is there any way to get such a thing done? How is it that Sarah Palin could be run broke by lawsuits over nothing, and the taxpayers are paying mega-bucks to ensure that Obama can keep spitting on our Constitution and the valid concerns of the American public? If Obama is not lawfully POTUS, then what would legally justify the US spending money to defend him in a criminal case? If it was a CRIMINAL case (as it would be if an AG investigated and prosecuted the case) wouldn’t Obama have to pay for it himself - which might help keep costs down?


125 posted on 12/31/2010 9:21:10 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: rxsid
John Bingham??? Can you find someone who at least was breathing in the last century. If that is your best answer, I now understand why birthers have lost over 80 cases. My favorite justice on SCOTUS is Scalia who has stated on several occasions that last thing he looks to when trying to interpret a statute is to look at legislative intent. Realistically, if the the birthers wish to gain any traction for their pet issue, they are going to have to get someone, a Representative or Senator, with authority to issue subpoenas and hold hearings, to push the issue. Otherwise, it will never become more than spam on the internet.
126 posted on 12/31/2010 9:30:25 PM PST by TNTNT
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To: butterdezillion
I do think that if your proposal becomes law it will be immediately challenged by the Justice Department on Constitutional grounds, such as Arizona was sued for their illegal alien law. It would probably end up with SCOTUS, and I am not sure you will like the outcome. But at least you will hopefully have a definitve SCOTUS answer, if they take the case. need to celebrate, Happy New Years!!!
127 posted on 12/31/2010 9:41:55 PM PST by TNTNT
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To: RummyChick

After perusing the documents on Lolo..it is hard to say what really went on other than Lolo was about to get the boot from his stay in the US. East-West Center was sending him back to Indonesia in accordance with their agreement with Indonesia.

Lolo got some strings pulled with INS . Hmm, how did that happen???

East-West didn’t like it. They REALLY didn’t like it and commented on it.
They wanted him sent back to Indonesia.

No hardship waiver granted.

If this was just anyone, there seemed to be a pretty good case for a hardship waiver given what was going on in Indonesia.

Lolo married Ann as he was about to get the boot out of the country. Lolo didn’t even know the date they were married.

Was East-West , in part, associated with the CIA as some claim. Who knows.

What I can see is that Lolo was going back and nothing was going to stop them from sending Lolo back into the thick of things as the commies were being overthrown.

I did see a reference in 1967 that Barack was considered a step-son pursuant to a certain law. So it appears he was not adopted at that point.

Lolo’s family had land confiscated under the Commie regime. I wonder if he was promised he would get it back after the CIA overthrew the Commie regime.

Which makes all of this much more mysterious given the Commie Roots of Ann.


128 posted on 12/31/2010 9:52:06 PM PST by RummyChick
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To: TNTNT

I just believe that the Constitution requires that the judiciary interpret and apply the Constitution. I don’t want some SOS who has no clue about the Constitution or the issues involved making these decisions. Roger Calero was known to not be a US citizen and made it past the SOS in several states. I’ve spoken to my own SOS. He’s Republican and I wouldn’t trust him as far as I can throw him.

The job of the SOS should be secretarial - to document what the facts of the case are. The judiciary should decide what “natural born citizen” means. Unless and until they do that, the Constitution is only guarded by people elected because they know how to make copies and count, not because they know anything about the Constitution.

The point of this bill is to provide a framework where the courts interpret the Constitution. If the courts - eventually SCOTUS, I’m sure - say that 2 citizen parents aren’t necessary then that would be the definition we would live under unless and until a Constitutional amendment was ratified saying otherwise. If they say 2 citizen parents are necessary then that’s what we would live under. But they are the ones the Constitution authorizes to interpret the Constitution. This bill would just set it squarely in their laps where they CAN’T keep evading it even when there’s a Constitutional crisis at hand.

I have read Arizona’s law regarding how their ballots are supposed to be set up and that is eye-glazing language.

Do you think the legislators would understand the need for detail if they had any idea why these steps are necessary?

For instance, the NJ SOS was required by state law to “verify eligibility”, and Roger Calero still made it on the ballot - and the courts refused to let anybody have standing to sue that breach of the law. If New Jersey had a law requiring that the SOS see Calero’s BC it would not have changed a thing. The SOS can still say, “So what?” and ignore everything. The courts seem to hold this idea that unless the state law mandates a detailed, specific procedure, the broad ideas aren’t enforceable because the SOS can decide what to do anyway, and it doesn’t have to fit with the big picture at all.

Even though the NJ SOS is required to “verify eligibility” there are lawyers who argue that the SOS would not have authority to request a BC for somebody, because the law didn’t specifically require them to do that exact step. If the law had required a BC but didn’t require them to look at place of birth on the BC those same lawyers could say the SOS couldn’t disqualify a Calero on the basis of a foreign birth. Etc ad nauseum. If the detail isn’t mandated there will be lawyers saying the SOS isn’t authorized to do anything about it.

TX legislators need to be aware that just requiring the SOS to look at a BC does nothing toward forcing the SOS to use logic OR lawful definitions to decide whether that BC disqualifies somebody like Calero anyway. If the SOS wants to screw the whole country just showing a BC is not going to stop them, or enable anybody to sue them if they “interpret” the Constitution irrationally.

I don’t think that eligibility laws should really be about Obama, but the Obama situation has REALLY exposed the vulnerabilities. State lawmakers need to know the crap we “birthers” have been through so they can see the lawlessness and see how very, very detailed the legal language has to be in order to even put a dent in the huge loopholes - since courts only hold the bureaucrats to the exact, expressed letter of the law.

I understand the eye-glazing thing, having looked at a lot of laws that bore me to tears. But if state legislators aren’t willing to find out what would be effective then they may end up applying a bandaid to a severed carotid. That’s not what we need when the nation is in peril. Texas lawmakers would never have been so lackadaisical if they knew they were fighting the Battle of the Alamo. Well, this is an even more lethal battle than the Alamo.

If they knew what was at stake I don’t think they would let us down. Texans have bigger balls than that. They’re smarter than that.

Am I thinking too highly of them?


129 posted on 12/31/2010 9:52:52 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: TNTNT

What Constitutional grounds would there be for knocking down that particular law if it was enacted?

I know that the Department of Injustice would challenge anything that could actually protect the Constitution. That’s the legacy of this DOJ. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. If we don’t get a handle on the Department of Injustice they will make sure that this nation is enslaved in every way possible.

I would be honored to be involved in kicking this Department of Injustice in the nuts. I say bring it. If SCOTUS is going to sell the nation down the river I’d rather know sooner rather than later so I can prepare for the inevitable Revolution or death, whichever comes first.


130 posted on 12/31/2010 9:59:15 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: TNTNT

“It appears that you subscribe to the 2 citizen-parent theory”

It is not a theory.


131 posted on 12/31/2010 10:00:37 PM PST by bushpilot1
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To: TNTNT

“I have yet to see a proposed eligibility bill which addresses this bogus issue of 2 citizen-parents required to be NBC.”

Obots state it is a bogus issue.


132 posted on 12/31/2010 10:03:34 PM PST by bushpilot1
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To: RobinMasters
Effing media cowards. They all have to chant like cannibalistic tribesmen to get their courage up, they are so lacking in integrity that that NOT ONE of them will report on or publish the Obama concealment facts in the MSM.

Just a bunch of cake walking leftist propaganda fag cowards IMHO.

Their non-feasance makes murder out of 1st amendment free speech rights.We have no free press, they are all seized by the politcal correctness of Obamas reverse racial discriminatioon scam. Dumber than dirt.

133 posted on 01/01/2011 1:43:15 AM PST by Candor7 (Obama . fascist info..http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/brack_obama_ipthe _quintessentia_1.html)
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To: Kenny Bunk
Obama IS the President. ..................

Obama does not have the lawful constitutional capacity to be president.

According to your logic,my Irish Setter could be President, as long as he somehow fooled everyone into electing him.

Arf, Arf, goes your logic, and your patriotism. Over half of our nation will not obey Obama law now, and will revolt if the feds try to enforce any of it.

134 posted on 01/01/2011 1:49:19 AM PST by Candor7 (Obama . fascist info..http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/brack_obama_ipthe _quintessentia_1.html)
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To: RobinMasters

You posted the article yesterday under a different title that I posted this morning. Your’s sounds better. Moderators please destroy my post, Robin’s is better. God Bless and Happy New Year!


135 posted on 01/01/2011 1:53:37 AM PST by rambo316 (Rush is Right, Odumbo is an Imposter.)
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To: TNTNT

Two parents who are citizens, is where Barack Obama fails the qualification process. He is British and American, and therefore could never have been a Natural Born Citizen! That is not exactly something which should be skipped. Two parents who are citizens makes a Natural Born Citizen. Only one American parent might get you citizenship, but it isn’t NBC and never can be unless you have two citizen parents, and are born on our soil.

There is a difference and it does matter.


136 posted on 01/01/2011 2:17:47 AM PST by Danae (Anailnathrach, orth' bhais's bethad, do chel denmha)
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To: TNTNT

If the “2-parent” issue is, as you say, “bogus,” then why haven’t we seen Obama’s birth, adoption, and educational records? Because the issue of whether he is an NBC isn’t “bogus”!!!!!!


137 posted on 01/01/2011 2:43:36 AM PST by browniexyz
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To: TNTNT
the 2 citizen-parent theory

Well it was taught as fact during social studies, back when I was in grade school in the 60s.

That's about the same time Barry Steve Dunham Hussein Soetoro Sobarkah was learning how to be a good little moslem/communist.

138 posted on 01/01/2011 5:50:17 AM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month)
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To: butterdezillion
Some interesting and established facts :

1. The BC from Mombasa has never been discredited. (This document has been public for almost two years, and still stands. It is now in the halls of congress, in the hands of every Senator. No one has been charged with fraud.)

2. Rahm Emanual did go to Kenya before Obama became president.

3. Kenyan Parliament members started to sound off , and immediately Obama dodged the press near the Kenyan Embassy for an hour or so.

4. Aid to Kenya has increased, significantly.

5. We have never seen an American BC.

6. His wife brags that Kenya is his home country.

7. Election official from Hawaii states there is no American BC.

8. Obama imprisons a man rather than produce a BC. This is the most damning fact to date.

Facts are starting to accumulate on their own. We may have seen his BC, and it may be in every ones pocket in DC.

139 posted on 01/01/2011 6:17:49 AM PST by PA-RIVER
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To: RummyChick

Well, if you can’t figure that out then it is obviously no use to you.


O.K., thanks anyway.


140 posted on 01/01/2011 8:31:35 AM PST by jamese777
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