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The Pope's Warning to a Disintegrating Western Civilization
Examiner ^ | December 30, 2010 | Kevin Whiteman

Posted on 12/31/2010 1:13:04 PM PST by NYer

A new Dark Age on the horizon?

Catholics, Protestants, Agnostics... the vast majority of conservatives of every stripe would agree with this almost non-reported speech made by Pope Benedict XVI on 20 December, 2010.

In a speech to Papal representatives from all over the world, the Pope spoke in the context of a the near total collapse in the Western world of any moral consensus rooted in Christian ethics and heritage.

In comments aimed directly at the secularization and abandonment of God by the West, Benedict stunned those in a attendance when he stated;

"Alexis de Tocqueville, in his day, observed that democracy in America had become possible and had worked because there existed a fundamental moral consensus which, transcending individual denominations, united everyone.

Only if there is such a consensus on the essentials can constitutions and law function. This fundamental consensus derived from the Christian heritage is at risk wherever its place, the place of moral reasoning, is taken by the purely instrumental rationality of which I spoke earlier.

In reality, this makes reason blind to what is essential. To resist this eclipse of reason and to preserve its capacity for seeing the essential, for seeing God and man, for seeing what is good and what is true, is the common interest that must unite all people of good will. The very future of the world is at stake."

And another shot across the bow of Western civilization's growing quest for instant gratification, His Holiness stated;

"No pleasure is ever enough, and the excess of deceiving intoxication becomes a violence that tears whole regions apart – and all this in the name of a fatal misunderstanding of freedom which actually undermines man’s freedom and ultimately destroys it."

Benedict even forcefully spoke of the destruction from within that has polluted the Catholic Church since the implementation of the "spirit of Vatican II" and the abandonment of moral absolutes by many, many Catholic priests, bishops and cardinals;

"In the 1970s, paedophilia was theorized as something fully in conformity with man and even with children.

This, however, was part of a fundamental perversion of the concept of ethos. It was maintained – even within the realm of Catholic theology – that there is no such thing as evil in itself or good in itself. There is only a “better than” and a “worse than”. Nothing is good or bad in itself.

Everything depends on the circumstances and on the end in view. Anything can be good or also bad, depending upon purposes and circumstances. Morality is replaced by a calculus of consequences, and in the process it ceases to exist.

The effects of such theories are evident today."



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KEYWORDS: bxvi; civilization; moralabsolutes; moralrelativism; pope
The following video is a must see.

The Pope's Warning

1 posted on 12/31/2010 1:13:08 PM PST by NYer
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2 posted on 12/31/2010 1:13:49 PM PST by NYer ("Be kind to every person you meet. For every person is fighting a great battle." St. Ephraim)
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To: Salvation; metmom

This is an example of what I meant by the Pope criticizing the RCC. Maybe Pope Benedict should be banned from FR?


3 posted on 12/31/2010 1:15:55 PM PST by MeganC (January 20, 2013 - President Sarah Palin)
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To: NYer

Those that live in glass houses (perverted priests) shouldn’t.......


4 posted on 12/31/2010 1:20:49 PM PST by New Jersey Realist (Congress doesn't care a damn about "we the people")
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To: NYer

I knew I liked this Pope.


5 posted on 12/31/2010 1:29:45 PM PST by rfreedom4u ("A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government.")
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To: NYer

http://laotze.blogspot.com/2010/12/truth-about-guantanamo.html


6 posted on 12/31/2010 1:29:54 PM PST by expatguy (Support "An American Expat in Southeast Asia" - DONATE)
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To: New Jersey Realist
Got reading comprehension?

The Pope explains exactly what caused that problem -- unfettered 'rationality' and the license of the 70s - both religious and sexual. The two go together -- it was the goofy kumbaya bishops who allowed homosexuals to take over seminaries and get ordained, at the same time they were abandoning Catholic doctrine.

This pope has done more to clean out the homosexual chicken hawkers than anybody else, both now and when he was a cardinal. And he's getting the Church back to being Catholic, instead of Unitarian wannabes.

That will solve the problem (and in fact has gone a long way already).

7 posted on 12/31/2010 1:35:55 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: AngieGal

ping


8 posted on 12/31/2010 1:36:17 PM PST by PetroniusMaximus
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To: New Jersey Realist
Even though JPII banned it, "liberation theology" still persists. That's
another of the problems of the RCC in America, let alone, say
South America.

Many of the senior bishops in the US should be purged, imo.

There's a book that describes the some of the problems the Boston
archdiocese inflicted on the faith. I think it's called "The Faithful
Departed". I heard the author on a radio show about a year ago
or so.

9 posted on 12/31/2010 1:37:28 PM PST by Calvin Locke
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To: New Jersey Realist

“Those that live in glass houses (perverted priests) shouldn’t.......”

I’m not Catholic, but statistically, Catholic priest sex abuse is at the same rate as every other large organization or denomination. http://www.newsweek.com/2010/04/07/mean-men.html

Seems like the more secular, liberal, anti-Christian media and experts attack the Church, the more I respect it.

Catholic leaders are consistently pro-life and willing to stand up for cultural morals against the tide.


10 posted on 12/31/2010 1:37:35 PM PST by garjog
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To: MeganC
He's not just criticizing - he's cleaning house of the mess that some heterodox bishops made in the 70s and 80s.

That's his job.

Also - he's motivated by a desire to purify and renew the Church, which Some Others apparently are not.

11 posted on 12/31/2010 1:37:55 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: MeganC

“This is an example of what I meant by the Pope criticizing the RCC. Maybe Pope Benedict should be banned from FR?...”

This statement shows a stunted understanding of what PBXVI states. He was criticizing the loss of a sense of Christian morality among Western Civilization, which he conceded had also entered into the very center of the RCC. Thus, he admits that the Church also became vulnerable to this moral collapse, and it resulted in a failure to rectify the problem - which was a total lack of morality among some of the clergy, and the subsequent lack of rapid corrective action in the church.

Anyone who sees this as a specific criticism of the RCC has not really grasped the enormity of the problem he is addressing. Our entire Western Civilization is at stake per Pope Benedict XVI.


12 posted on 12/31/2010 1:41:46 PM PST by Gumdrop (proud to be an American citizen)
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To: AnAmericanMother

Cleaning house?

When are Law and Mahony scheduled to be cleaned?


13 posted on 12/31/2010 1:41:50 PM PST by TSgt (Colonel Allen West & Michele Bachman - 2012 POTUS Dream Team Ticket!)
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To: NYer
"Alexis de Tocqueville, in his day, observed that democracy in America had become possible and had worked because there existed a fundamental moral consensus which, transcending individual denominations, united everyone.

Only if there is such a consensus on the essentials can constitutions and law function. This fundamental consensus derived from the Christian heritage is at risk wherever its place, the place of moral reasoning, is taken by the purely instrumental rationality of which I spoke earlier.

In reality, this makes reason blind to what is essential. To resist this eclipse of reason and to preserve its capacity for seeing the essential, for seeing God and man, for seeing what is good and what is true, is the common interest that must unite all people of good will. The very future of the world is at stake."

Dang, who knew? The pope is a Freeper!

I love this guy.

14 posted on 12/31/2010 1:48:49 PM PST by marron
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To: TSgt
Mahony is essentially already gone.

He retires next year, but the Pope already named his successor last April and he has been installed as auxiliary bishop.

To say this is . . . unusual . . . is an understatement.

Mahony set the seal on his own destruction when he threatened to take his archdiocese into schism if he was interfered with. I don't know how he thought that would help him, but he may have been desperate. In any event, he is gone in all but name.

Law was removed (or his resignation was accepted) back in 2002. He was kicked upstairs to a titular position at Santa Maria Maggiore in Rome, where he essentially has no independent authority over anything at all.

Getting rid of long-entrenched, high profile prelates ain't easy, but this pope has taken care of it.

15 posted on 12/31/2010 1:49:13 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: TSgt
When are Law and Mahony scheduled to be cleaned?

Law turns 80 next November. AT that point his powers will be extremely limited.

Mahoney is 74, and is scheduleed to submit his resignation NEXT MONTH. His successor has already been named, and will be a serious upgrade.
16 posted on 12/31/2010 1:50:58 PM PST by Dr. Sivana (quipment.)
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To: NYer
Everything depends on the circumstances and on the end in view. Anything can be good or also bad, depending upon purposes and circumstances. Morality is replaced by a calculus of consequences, and in the process it ceases to exist.

The effects of such theories are evident today."

&&&&&

This is so chilling!!!

I have been reading an absorbing book about the history of housing in Baltimore, "Not in My Neighborhood", which details how segregation, blockbusting and white flight, and predatory practices of money lending shaped the city's housing patterns during the 20th century.

When I got to the chapter about the Sixties, black unrest, Martin Luther King's murder, riots, etc, the author mentioned Saul Alinsky's methods of community organizing becoming popular.

Then my jaw dropped! As background about Saul Alinsky, the author wrote "In the spring of 1958 Alinsky received a peculiar invitation, his first from overseas. The Italian cardinal Giovanni Battista Montini, archbishop of Milan, wanted his advice on a thorny problem."

Five years later Cardinal Montini was Pope Pius VI and "the Catholic Church began a massive community organizing drive in the United States. It hired Alinsky as its conceptualizer, an appealing proposition because the church provided two essentials for successful organizing: people and money." The following paragraphs just made my skin crawl.

All I could think was no wonder the Church lost its way in the Sixties; and I wonder if Glenn Beck would like to know this.

I am stunned!!!

Pray for Pope Benedict to continue to speak out with strength. We could easily enter a new Dark Ages, which is where the Western world is headed now.

17 posted on 12/31/2010 1:57:57 PM PST by maica
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To: Gumdrop

Well said and the Pope is correct. May the Lord have mercy on us all.


18 posted on 12/31/2010 2:06:43 PM PST by Nuc 1.1 (Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: NYer

BTTT


19 posted on 12/31/2010 2:18:55 PM PST by BenLurkin (This post is not a statement of fact. It is merely a personal opinion -- or humor -- or both)
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To: Gumdrop; AnAmericanMother

Gumdrop - take a look at AnAmericanMother’s post. She gets it.

The Pope *IS* being critical of the Church. That ‘subsequent lack of rapid corrective action’ was not a result of the moral decay, but it was a result of the institutionalized denial that exists in the Church. Witness how some FReepers circle the wagons when they’re subject to critique! Now imagine Bishops and Cardinals reacting to major problems. Their predictable reaction is to hush it up and hope it goes away - thus we so so many sexual assault lawsuits settled out of court and the plaintiffs sworn to silence. That’s WRONG.

When the Church spends upwards of over $1 billion to settle out these lawsuits don’t the people who provide that money deserve an accounting of what they paid for?

If the RCC wants to operate in secrecy and its members, as we see on FR, also want it to hide painful truths, then us non-Catholics have no obligation to play along. For that matter, the more difficult thing for the RCC right now is it seems your Pope doesn’t like this crap, either.

Good for him.


20 posted on 12/31/2010 2:37:51 PM PST by MeganC (January 20, 2013 - President Sarah Palin)
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To: NYer
The Holy Father has merely spoken the truth that is obvious to everyone.

The Dark Age on the horizon will follow the Fall of America due to spiritual and moral decay and rot from within: Decadence.

The only thing that can save the world from the impending Dark Age is a spiritual and moral renaissance in the United States.

The American people can lead the world into the American Dream: peace, liberty, justice, and prosperity for all of the people of the world. The question is: Will they? or Do they have the will?

21 posted on 12/31/2010 2:47:10 PM PST by Savage Beast (Truth : Leftist :: Crucifix : Vampire)
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To: NYer
The next "consensus" will be (and already is) antiChristian, global, and absolute.

Dissent will be progressively seduced, persuaded, coerced, intimidated, marginalized, and eliminated.

22 posted on 12/31/2010 2:52:55 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (If these are the good old days, we are so screwed.)
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To: TSgt

Wow, you manage to insinuate yourself into every thread that mentions Cathicism, don’t you? You should get back on you meds.


23 posted on 12/31/2010 2:56:08 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (If these are the good old days, we are so screwed.)
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To: the invisib1e hand

Catholicism, that is. And, “youR meds.”


24 posted on 12/31/2010 2:58:19 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (If these are the good old days, we are so screwed.)
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To: the invisib1e hand

Catholic hating never takes a day off.


25 posted on 12/31/2010 3:02:44 PM PST by IrishCatholic (No local Communist or Socialist Party Chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing!)
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To: NYer

I’m not Catholic nor any flavor of Christian but I like this Pope. Time after time he is clear, concise and cuts right to the bottom line with no sugar coating. Although citing Alexis de Tocqueville does have a certain sweetness to it.


26 posted on 12/31/2010 3:11:41 PM PST by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/28/08 and why?)
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To: maica
"Then my jaw dropped! As background about Saul Alinsky, the author wrote "In the spring of 1958 Alinsky received a peculiar invitation, his first from overseas. The Italian cardinal Giovanni Battista Montini, archbishop of Milan, wanted his advice on a thorny problem."

Five years later Cardinal Montini was Pope Pius VI and "the Catholic Church began a massive community organizing drive in the United States.

------------- Uh, That would be Pope Paul VI not Pope Pius VI.

27 posted on 12/31/2010 3:15:35 PM PST by shortstop (Marco Rubio in 2010/Chris Christie in 2012.)
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To: MeganC
Fortunately, the state of the Church in the U.S. has been something of an anomaly. Believe it or not, the Church has survived far worse crises, has been cleaned up, and has gone on.

For what it's worth, the problem is that bishops traditionally have a LOT more autonomy than a corporate manager or head of division. They can't just be fired, and the Pope can't just tell them to shape up or ship out.

And America has been a problem for years and years, because of the strong strain of Nativist anti-Catholicism and the nature of presidential politics. Al Smith was reviled for being supposedly subordinate to the Pope and the Vatican's tool, thus unfit to be president. Kennedy practically had to swear on a stack of Masonic Landmarks that he wouldn't govern like a Catholic.

So the popes have been reluctant to interfere with the bishops in the U.S., and far too many of those bishops took the easy road and went with the "Spirit of the Age" (and some of them were recommended by a very liberal Archbishop, who was seeking to 'reform' the Church into something much more protestant and trendy). Mostly the bishops wound up in the heterodox trap, but for some of them that led directly to the homosexual trap. Some bishops covered up the homosexual molestation because they, themselves, were homosexual and were subject to blackmail and bribery.

When then-Cardinal Ratzinger decreed that ALL sexual abuse cases were to be reported directly to Rome, that was a major change in church governance. And when he was elected pope, the lavender mafia shook in their expensive Italian shoes.

We hold to the promise that the gates of Hell will not prevail against the Church. Somebody like Pope St. Pius X or Pope Benedict is sent by the Holy Spirit to straighten out the fallible human beings that govern her.

28 posted on 12/31/2010 3:51:57 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: AnAmericanMother

“We hold to the promise that the gates of Hell will not prevail against the Church. Somebody like Pope St. Pius X or Pope Benedict is sent by the Holy Spirit to straighten out the fallible human beings that govern her. “

Amen. Thank you for that.


29 posted on 12/31/2010 3:56:46 PM PST by PatriotGirl827 (Lord Jesus, direct my mind, possess my heart, transform my life)
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To: shortstop

You are correct. My bad. Thanks for the correction.

Pope Paul VI is what I meant to write.


30 posted on 12/31/2010 3:58:46 PM PST by maica
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To: maica
I knew what you meant, and I read right over it!


H.H. Pius VI


H.H. Paul VI

31 posted on 12/31/2010 4:19:25 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: IrishCatholic
Catholic hating never takes a day off.

Fer sure. But something about how the same provocateurs, unbiden, appear to lay in wait for an opportunity to make themselves obnoxious and unwanted is a seasonal eye-opener.

32 posted on 12/31/2010 4:22:05 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (If these are the good old days, we are so screwed.)
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To: NYer

Placemark for pingout.


33 posted on 12/31/2010 11:06:17 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.CSLewis)
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To: NYer

I have to object to the blogger’s (Kevin Whiteman’s) characterization of the emerging age of vandals as “Dark Ages”. The Pope did not use it (I hope, at least, that he didn’t), and the phrase is an ignorant slur of the Middle Ages, the times of true enlightenment and individual freedom the likes of which humanity has not seen since.


34 posted on 01/01/2011 12:53:04 AM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: NYer

>> Morality is replaced by a calculus of consequences, and in the process it ceases to exist.

Benedict could pass for a FReeper. Good stuff.


35 posted on 01/01/2011 1:02:18 AM PST by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been redistributed. Here's your Change.)
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To: the invisib1e hand; IrishCatholic
But something about how the same provocateurs, unbiden, appear to lay in wait for an opportunity to make themselves obnoxious and unwanted is a seasonal eye-opener.

Glad I'm not the only one to notice this. I am constantly astounded when freepers who have not posted in a long time suddenly surface with the sole purpose of attacking the Catholic Church in one form or another. I believe this stems from fear which in turn comes from ignorance.

Happy New Year!

36 posted on 01/01/2011 7:01:58 AM PST by NYer ("Be kind to every person you meet. For every person is fighting a great battle." St. Ephraim)
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To: NYer
And bad manners.

Rejoice!

37 posted on 01/01/2011 8:51:57 AM PST by the invisib1e hand
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To: NYer
Our faith too is often asleep. Let us ask him, then, to wake us from the sleep of a faith grown tired, and to restore to that faith the power to move mountains – that is, to order justly the affairs of the world.

This is huge.

***

Truly this man has the words of life. Let those who have ears, hear. The rest exclude themselves and are basically a pain in the @ss.

38 posted on 01/01/2011 9:07:52 AM PST by the invisib1e hand
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