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China deploys carrier-killer missile
Coach is Right ^ | January 1st, 2011 | Jim Emerson, staff writer

Posted on 01/01/2011 12:42:17 PM PST by darkwing104

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To: Vigilant1
Similar arguments were made by the battleship navy crowd about naval aviation circa 1940.

History settled the debate. Let's not get caught exposed again.

Wiki: "HMS Prince of Wales (pennant number 53) was a King George V-class battleship of the Royal Navy, built at the Cammell Laird shipyard in Birkenhead, England. The Prince of Wales had a brief but active career, helping to stop the Bismarck and carrying Winston Churchill to the Newfoundland Conference; however, her sinking by Japanese land-based bombers in the Far East in 1941 is one of the events that led to the end of the battleship being considered the predominant class in naval warfare."

Hubris can kill.

21 posted on 01/01/2011 1:28:45 PM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: screaminsunshine
They call it the ‘Clinton’.

The Clinton is the code name for the Bill version of the missile.

The Clin2ton is the code name for the Hillary version of the missile.

22 posted on 01/01/2011 1:29:14 PM PST by hflynn
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To: screaminsunshine
They call it the ‘Clinton’.

The Clinton is the code name for the Bill version of the missile.

The Clin2ton is the code name for the Hillary version of the missile.

23 posted on 01/01/2011 1:29:21 PM PST by hflynn
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To: joelt
I'm concerned that nothing would happen. Obambi would make a state trip to Beijing and genuflect.
24 posted on 01/01/2011 1:30:49 PM PST by ArmyTeach (Our liberties we prize and our rights we will maintain ... Iowa 61)
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To: darkwing104
Seems like the perfect target for our new rail-gun system. Assuming they get the bugs worked out and with the electrical power generating capacity of nuclear reactors, it`s little more than a suborbital live fire target exorcise.
25 posted on 01/01/2011 1:31:51 PM PST by nomad
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To: screaminsunshine

26 posted on 01/01/2011 1:33:23 PM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Visualize)
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To: joelt
I`ve heard we keep half of our nuke subs in port at any one time, by agreement.
27 posted on 01/01/2011 1:34:30 PM PST by nomad
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To: KoRn
We also have a few thousand ICBMs.

Not with the New START, we don't. It limits delivery systems.
28 posted on 01/01/2011 1:44:10 PM PST by andyk (Hi, my name's Andy, and I am a BF 1942 / Desert Combat junkie.)
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To: Safrguns
"... we just launch a space shuttle..."

Where are we going to get a space shuttle? Last flight scheduled for April 2011. Fleet is being scattered.

29 posted on 01/01/2011 1:56:14 PM PST by Calamari (Pass enough laws and everyone is guilty of something.)
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To: Travis McGee
TM:
"Similar arguments were made by the battleship navy crowd about naval aviation circa 1940. History settled the debate. Let's not get caught exposed again."

Sorry, but your comparison is simply invalid and inapplicable. The same was said about antiship cruise missiles like the Exocent making navies obsolete. That was obviously wrong., as are almost all claims about new 'superweapons' making whole classes of primary weapons systems 'useless' and 'obsolete'.

You clearly do not understand just how difficult a modern carrier is to sink. A carrier is literally a small floating city, and has thousands of watertight compartments. To sink one, you need a to breach a significant percentage of those compartments. This weapon is not even remotely capable of accomplishing that. They are in no way the quantum advancement represented by the introduction of aerial warfare. They are merely a different means of delivering an explosive warhead the size of an aircraft bomb on target.

Even in WWII, our carriers were able to absorb multiple direct hits by 1000 pound and larger armor-piercing bombs and not be sunk. Modern carriers are much larger and have far better firefighting and damage control equipment. There have been a number of cases where fires in the hangar decks of modern carriers have led to the explosion of several aircraft fully loaded with ordnance. This involved a hell of a lot more explosives; tens of thousands of pounds of them; detonating within the ship than a half-dozen direct hits from these Chinese missiles could deliver. Our carriers not only survived these incidents, they returned to port under their own power.

So the idea that these Chinese missiles can actually sink a carrier is fantasy. They could, if they somehow got past our Aegis anti-missile defenses, certainly damage a carrier, but the same is true of any weapon system aimed at carriers. That is the nature of war; attack and defense. This is just another new warhead delivery system for which we already have a good defense.

30 posted on 01/01/2011 1:57:05 PM PST by Vigilant1 (The price of liberty is eternal vigilance.)
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To: joelt

We’d better be thinking of a new POTUS because the one we have isn’t going to retaliate.


31 posted on 01/01/2011 2:03:16 PM PST by Rappini ("Pro deo et Patria.)
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To: Vigilant1
Although the 21d is being publicized as conventionally armed, I believe that it is nuclear capable and a nuclear warhead could certainly sink the carrier along with the rest of the group.
32 posted on 01/01/2011 2:22:56 PM PST by Truth29
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To: EGPWS

Probably their allies the Clintons.
No sarcasm needed.....


33 posted on 01/01/2011 2:26:21 PM PST by 9422WMR (Illegal is not a race. illegal alien, illegal alien, illegal alien, illegal alien.)
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To: darkwing104

Paid for and developed, by one-sided “Free Trade”.

It will get worse.


34 posted on 01/01/2011 2:31:56 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (McCarthy was Right.)
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To: Travis McGee
Hubris can kill.

Darn right. It's like the notion that USAF bases and facilities are less vulnerable than 30kt aircraft carriers.

35 posted on 01/01/2011 3:37:04 PM PST by Jacquerie (Our Constitution is timeless because human nature is static.)
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To: KoRn
We also have a few thousand ICBMs.

All of which have been functionally deactivated by Komrade Kenyan.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

36 posted on 01/01/2011 3:39:23 PM PST by The Comedian (Government: Saving people from freedom since time immemorial.)
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To: Safrguns

Don’t forget popping the “three gorges” dam. Worth 5 times the cost of a carrier, and that’s not counting the lost electricity and damage downstream.


37 posted on 01/01/2011 3:57:01 PM PST by ROTB (Sans Christian revival, we are government slaves, or nuked by China/Russia when we finally revolt.)
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To: darkwing104

Jezz, it was just a few days ago when this missile was announced as still in the pre-testing stage, now it is not only tested, manufactured, and deployed as operational.... my those Chinese sure move fast.


38 posted on 01/01/2011 5:53:15 PM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine .. now it is your turn..)
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To: EGPWS
"No biggie, WE have Obama to bow the Chinese into submission!

We are covered so don't worry."



39 posted on 01/01/2011 6:07:49 PM PST by clearcarbon
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To: JoeProBono

some tru spokes, drop it a little..... those white walls are redickulus!!!


40 posted on 01/01/2011 6:08:19 PM PST by Iron head mike (The government will soon make criminals of us all.)
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