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Will Obama Silence Blundering Abercrombie?(Hawaii's 'Progressive' Gov./Certifigate)
American Thinker ^ | January 3, 2011 | Jack Cashill

Posted on 01/03/2011 2:35:42 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

For reasons clear to no one just yet, Hawaii's new Democrat governor, Neil Abercrombie, has gone public with his desire to silence the so-called "birthers" with proof of Barack Obama's Hawaiian birth.

"Maybe I'm the only one in the country," Abercrombie told the Los Angeles Times just before Christmas, "that could look you right in the eye right now and tell you, 'I was here when that baby was born.'"

A few days later, Abercrombie clarified to Mark Niesse of the Associated Press that he didn't exactly see Obama's parents with their newborn son at the hospital, but that he "remembers seeing Obama as a child with his parents at social events."

Although the major media have questioned why Abercrombie would raise an issue that, according to the Los Angeles Times, "most people see as resolved," they take Abercrombie at his word as to what he knows about the young Obama family.

They shouldn't. Abercrombie's boasts about his relationship with the president's presumed parents, Barack Obama, Sr. and Ann Dunham, have got to unnerve the president and his close advisors. They know something the media perversely choose not to know: Abercrombie is remembering a past that never happened.

A member of the House's progressive caucus before his election as governor, Abercrombie has been talking excitedly about the relationship for years, playing John the Baptist to Obama's Jesus.

"Little Barry, that's what we called him," Abercrombie told the Chicago Tribune while "recalling his days with Obama Sr. and his future wife, Ann Dunham, at the University of Hawaii." If Obama were born on August 4, 1961, however, there could not have been many such days.

As is thoroughly documented, Ann and little Barry were in Seattle two weeks later, where she enrolled at the University of Washington. By the time she returned to Hawaii in late summer or fall 1962, Barack Sr. had left for Harvard for good.

Citing Abercrombie as source, a 2007 Hawaii TV news report claimed that Ann "became estranged from her husband, Barack Obama[,] Sr., after his departure for Harvard." I don't know about Hawaii, but in Missouri, if you flee your husband with baby in tow two weeks after his birth, that qualifies as "estrangement."

According to divorce papers filed in 1964, Barack Sr. and Ann married in Wailuku, Maui on February 2, 1961. But one has to wonder whether it was a marriage in anything but name, or whether there was a marriage at all. Obama himself writes in Dreams, "In fact, how and when the marriage occurred remains a bit murky, a bill of particulars that I've never quite had the courage to explore."

No one attended the wedding -- not Abercrombie, not Ann's parents. In fact, no one in Barack Sr.'s clique seemed to know there was a relationship, let alone a wedding. Neil's brother Hal never saw Ann and Barack Sr. together. Another clique member, Pake Zane, who had distinct memories of Barack Sr., could not recall Ann at all. When Neil Abercrombie and Zane visited their friend in Nairobi in 1968, Barack Sr. shocked them by never once inquiring about his putative wife and 6-year-old son.

The 17-year-old Ann had met the 24 year-old Barack Sr. in Russian class at the University of Hawaii. Why they were studying Russian (in 1960, people like Lee Harvey Oswald studied Russian) is a question for another day. In Dreams, Ann provides only the sketchiest detail of their first date -- Barack Sr. came an hour late and with friends -- and nothing more.

A high school friend of Ann's claims to have received a letter or two from Ann in which she spoke about Barack Sr., and there is no reason to doubt her. But beyond this, there is no evidence of a relationship, and the only evidence for the marriage are the divorce papers, which are real and have been posted online.

One reason people marry in a county other than their own -- Maui County, for instance -- is to keep the announcement of the marriage license out of the local paper. By claiming a Maui wedding, and perhaps even attaining a Maui license, the Dunhams could have assured the baby an identity without drawing attention to the relationship.

If Obama had, in fact, been born out of wedlock, or if his father had been someone other than Barack Sr., that would not have affected Obama's eligibility for higher office, but it would have surely de-glamorized him. "Barry Dunham" does not exactly tease the imagination.

Whatever his contribution, Obama Sr. lent young Barry a name, an identity, and a romantic storyline. Obama's mother and grandparents sustained this narrative throughout Obama's childhood.

Barack Obama repeated this story in his memoir Dreams from My Father, and to good effect. When Obama hooked up with campaign guru David Axelrod in his 2004 race for the U.S. Senate, his story crystallized into a marketing strategy. In the retelling, little Barry is always two years old when Barack Sr. reluctantly leaves wife and son for Harvard. This is a lie.

Guided by Axelrod, Obama held off in his breakthrough keynote speech at the 2004 Democratic convention for all of 46 words -- including "Thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you so much" -- before sharing his story with the world.

At the 2008 Democratic Convention in Denver, Obama leaped into the story in the very first sentence. "Four years ago," he began, "I stood before you and told you my story -- of the brief union between a young man from Kenya and a young woman from Kansas who weren't well-off or well-known, but shared a belief that in America, their son could achieve whatever he put his mind to."

In between the two convention speeches, the story of Obama's birth was told more often than that of anyone's since Jesus. No one, of course, told it as convincingly as Obama himself, especially in his game-saving Philadelphia speech, immodestly titled "A More Perfect Union."

In this speech, delivered to negate the baleful impact of the Jeremiah Wright videos, Obama attributed his faith in the American people to his "own American story." He reminded those few registered voters who might somehow have forgotten that "I am the son of a black man from Kenya and a white woman from Kansas." Although the proto-hippie Ann spent her formative teen years in Seattle, the storyline always places her in Kansas.

Obama and his operatives would invest enormous political capital in what sympathetic biographer David Remnick calls his "signature appeal: the use of the details of his own life as a reflection of a kind of multicultural ideal." From the beginning, they worked hard to protect the investment and did what they had to do to keep the storytellers in line.

Abercrombie may not have gotten the memo. Although the president was likely born in the United States, he may not have been born in Hawaii, he may not have been born in August 1961, he may not have been the son of Barack Sr., or he may have simply been listed as "white" on his birth certificate.

The truth is that the storied little family never lived together. Any fact that blew the storyline could have derailed Obama's candidacy before it got going. Expect the Abercrombie fuss to just sort of fade away.


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Government; Local News; Politics
KEYWORDS: abercrombie; birthcertificate; birthers; certifigate; democrats; hawaii; kenyabelieveit; naturalborncitizen; obama
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1 posted on 01/03/2011 2:35:50 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

zero orchestrated this ... we’re still being played with.


2 posted on 01/03/2011 2:36:37 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Gov. Abercrombie, have you ever knowingly bought and/or consumed illegal drugs?”

(question I’d love to see some journalist dare to ask)


3 posted on 01/03/2011 2:48:11 AM PST by canuck_conservative
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To: knarf

And, we have no credible major news media to get to the bottom of it. Character matters and, eventually, Mother Nature will prove it.


4 posted on 01/03/2011 2:50:24 AM PST by jazzlite (esat)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

First Clinton and now Obama. What is it about the Dems putting trailer trash into the White House?


5 posted on 01/03/2011 2:51:39 AM PST by KevinB (We'll stop treating Obama like a dog when he stops treating us like a fire hydrant - Fred Grandy)
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To: canuck_conservative

Are you sure you could find a MSM journalist who could answer that question for himself/herself?


6 posted on 01/03/2011 2:51:42 AM PST by jazzlite (esat)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Expect the Abercrombie fuss to just sort of fade away.

Cashill thinks AberCommie was hitting the blowhard bong one too many times.

7 posted on 01/03/2011 3:02:45 AM PST by Red Steel
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To: jazzlite

One gets the impression that the number one thing on Stanley’s mind in August after giving birth...is to put as many miles between her, the parents, and this ‘husband’. I would also suspect that she checked out of the hospital as quickly as possible...probably not completing the certificate in the first place...and packed up to leave. You have to put yourself in her shoes...going to Hawaii was not plan number one (she was always planning a Chicago-area college), and this Kenyan guy probably didn’t turn out to be the dream guy that she’d imagined. And she sat out all of the second semester in Hawaii (Jan-Jun)...which put her way behind on getting finished with college.


8 posted on 01/03/2011 3:08:30 AM PST by pepsionice
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To: canuck_conservative
"Gov. Abercrombie, have you ever knowingly bought and/or consumed illegal drugs"

I worked as a senior executive for a Hawaiian firm for a couple years, and (1) was "expected" to donate to this d=ckhead's campaign slush fund and (2) had to sit next to the a--hole at dinner one evening and listen to him bitch and moan about George Bush.

Abercrombie is a clown and a doofus. He wouldn't know his a-- from a hole in the ground. Unfortunately, Hawaii has to live with their choice for the next four years.

9 posted on 01/03/2011 3:12:45 AM PST by tom h
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

this may backfire on Abercrombie


10 posted on 01/03/2011 3:14:44 AM PST by screaming eagle2 (no matter what you call it,a pre-owned vehicle,IS STILL A USED CAR!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

this may backfire on Abercrombie


11 posted on 01/03/2011 3:14:44 AM PST by screaming eagle2 (no matter what you call it,a pre-owned vehicle,IS STILL A USED CAR!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Neil Abercrombie can’t back up his claim. What “social events” Neil, specifically, and what dates did you see the parents and little baby?

BOR (yeah not my fav either) grills Barack

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySM63ES8t4U&feature=related


12 posted on 01/03/2011 3:18:21 AM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

An earlier post of mine is very relevant to Cashill’s observatons. I speak as one who was a student present at the University of Hawaii in the years 1961-1966:

Hawaii’s Leftist Governor Seeks Birther Revival
December 30, 2010 7:44:19 AM GMT+08:00 · 33 of 62
John Valentine to BenLurkin

I believe that Abercrombie may have confused two different sets of interracial couples with a child seen around the UH campus in the early sixties. The timeline of the Obama/Dunham saga would have allowed for precious few “social events” involving Obama Sr., Dunham, and the child.

Dunham was gone from Hawaii - off to Washington to attend UW - before the baby’s umbilical cord fell off, and Obama Sr. was off to Massachusetts before Dunham returned to Hawaii from Washington.

I don’t think there was ever any significant interaction between Obama and his son unless it took place via the postal system.


13 posted on 01/03/2011 3:18:54 AM PST by John Valentine
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To: screaming eagle2

better it backfires on 0bambi


14 posted on 01/03/2011 3:19:11 AM PST by spokeshave (Islamics and Democrats unite to cut off Adam Smith's invisible hand)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Expect the Abercrombie fuss to just sort of fade away.

No, I'd rather it pustulate and then burst in a gory, weeping, intractable open wound.
15 posted on 01/03/2011 3:21:00 AM PST by aruanan
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

LOL....so Abercrombie and BO’s Communist parents were at the same parties....perhaps marching in May Day parades with their red kerchiefs on? Has Abercrombie been a supporter of Hillary? That would explain this bizarre turn of events.


16 posted on 01/03/2011 3:26:24 AM PST by kittymyrib
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
or if his father had been someone other than Barack Sr., that would not have affected Obama's eligibility for higher office

Again no concept of the Natural Born Citizen clause. Either the reporter is a bald face liar or totally ignorant. There are plenty of possibilities that could have affected his eligibility if it was someone other than Barrack Sr.

17 posted on 01/03/2011 3:57:32 AM PST by BushCountry (I spoken many wise words in jest, but no comparison to the number of stupid words spoken in earnest)
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To: screaming eagle2

Why hasn’t he shown the bc yet? That was last weeks news and they still have not produced even a sloppy piece of paper.


18 posted on 01/03/2011 4:00:15 AM PST by cameraeye (A happy kufir!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet


Abercrombie gonna fix this all up, yeah, that's the ticket - he can look someone straight in the eye and say he saw them at "social events"

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=242721
19 posted on 01/03/2011 4:21:47 AM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
he "remembers seeing Obama as a child with his parents at social events."

How does that connect with the lack of any evidence that they ever lived together in HI? There is proof of a divorce, but no mention of proof of a marriage.

20 posted on 01/03/2011 5:02:12 AM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“A few days later, Abercrombie clarified to Mark Niesse of the Associated Press that he didn’t exactly see Obama’s parents with their newborn son at the hospital, but that he ‘remembers seeing Obama as a child with his parents at SOCIALIST events.’”


21 posted on 01/03/2011 5:09:01 AM PST by Lee'sGhost (Johnny Rico picked the wrong girl!)
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To: knarf

If this was done intentionally he is playing a dangerous game. Any way you slice it, Abercrombie is a fool. To put such large stakes on a fool who may or may not play his role on cue is — a fool’s game.

I’m sure the rhetoric coming from the Obama regime now is TRYING to play us...but I don’t think Abercrombie’s comments were planned.


22 posted on 01/03/2011 5:21:43 AM PST by Lee'sGhost (Johnny Rico picked the wrong girl!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I am not sure yet that Abercrombie, or Chris Matthews, blundered. The Obamunists may believe they have an analysis proof Birth Certificate and need to set up a release.


23 posted on 01/03/2011 5:27:14 AM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson.")
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To: F15Eagle

Did you take this picture? It’s Right down the street from where we live.


24 posted on 01/03/2011 5:37:17 AM PST by wolfcreek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsd7DGqVSIc)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

According to divorce papers filed in 1964, Barack Sr. and Ann married in Wailuku, Maui on February 2, 1961. But one has to wonder whether it was a marriage in anything but name, or whether there was a marriage at all. Obama himself writes in Dreams, “In fact, how and when the marriage occurred remains a bit murky, a bill of particulars that I’ve never quite had the courage to explore.”

No one attended the wedding — not Abercrombie, not Ann’s parents. In fact, no one in Barack Sr.’s clique seemed to know there was a relationship, let alone a wedding. Neil’s brother Hal never saw Ann and Barack Sr. together. Another clique member, Pake Zane, who had distinct memories of Barack Sr., could not recall Ann at all. When Neil Abercrombie and Zane visited their friend in Nairobi in 1968, Barack Sr. shocked them by never once inquiring about his putative wife and 6-year-old son.


There is NO record of a wedding ... only her say-so.


25 posted on 01/03/2011 5:43:36 AM PST by DontTreadOnMe2009 (So stop treading on me already!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“’I was here when that baby was born.’”

Hey Abercrombie, guess what? I was here too when that baby was born.

Yeah, I was born a year or so before Barack Obama, which means, I was here too, just like you and a few million other people. If that is a correct quote from Abercrombie, it is ridiculous, so he says he was here. The statement says nothing and requires a lot of inference from his other statements, such as he saw them together at social events with the child. Which seems to be false since the baby left Hawaii at abt 3wks of age.


26 posted on 01/03/2011 5:47:41 AM PST by This I Wonder32460
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To: canuck_conservative

“Gov. Abercrombie, have you ever knowingly thrown human feces at returning Vietnam Vets, as reported in a Honolulu newspaper?”

YES.


Spread the word.


27 posted on 01/03/2011 5:48:08 AM PST by DontTreadOnMe2009 (So stop treading on me already!)
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To: KevinB

First Clinton and now Obama. What is it about the Dems putting trailer trash into the White House?


‘cuz they are all trailer trash???


28 posted on 01/03/2011 5:49:24 AM PST by DontTreadOnMe2009 (So stop treading on me already!)
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To: pepsionice
most versions of what happened place Ann as the mother

but what if instead she was the sister, pushed into allowing the family to raise this kid and save face for Madelyn, by becoming the “mother” of Stan Dunham's bastard son? Madelyn's “grandson”, her daughter “married” to an exotic African exchange student to preserve the family "honor", and shuffled off to Washington State 2 weeks after his birth to avoid prying eyes and questions, no less

And little Barry sent “home” to Hawaii from Indonesia at age 10 .... to be raised by his “grandparents”

No wonder Frank Marshall Davis who shared whiskey, porn, marxist pipe dreams and whores in the honolulu red light district with Stan Dunham, so often stared at little Barry Sutoro with his drunken rheumy eyes.

I think Cashill alludes to other possibilities of the parentage of “Barry Dunham”

29 posted on 01/03/2011 5:54:28 AM PST by silverleaf (All that is necessary for evil to succeed, is that good men do nothing)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

My favorite theory: Barry’s real father is Frank Davis, blak Communist radical and buddy of Grandpa Dunham. Davis had a documented fondness for young girls. Davis was married, and so could not marry Ann. What to do? Offer Obama Sr a sham “green card” marriage in order to give Barry an official father.


30 posted on 01/03/2011 6:00:04 AM PST by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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To: DontTreadOnMe2009

My guess is that he probably got her drunk, took her to a faux justice of the peace to reassure her it was okay for them to bed by pretending to marry her and oops! Barry happened. If it was a faux marriage, she may not have know it and really believed they were married. Or maybe the JP didn’t file the record. Kind of reminds me of a movie storyline. By the way has anyone checked into JP’s and ministers in the area who could have married them. The record maybe tucked away somewhere forgotten to be sent to the state.

No wonder Barry wouldn’t want his daughters punished with a baby, looked what happened to his mama.


31 posted on 01/03/2011 6:02:11 AM PST by This I Wonder32460
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"Little Barry, that's what we called him," Abercrombie told the Chicago Tribune while "recalling his days with Obama Sr. and his future wife, Ann Dunham, at the University of Hawaii." If Obama were born on August 4, 1961, however, there could not have been many such days.

Little Barry, (son of) Obama Sr. and his future wife. Huh?

So Obama Sr. and Ann weren't married when "Little Barry" was born? What about the newspaper announcement, stating "Mr. and Mrs. Barack Obama" had given birth to a son?

Oh, that "Mr. and Mrs. Obama" may have been referring to Barack Sr and his first wife, a woman in Kenya who he was still married to when his second (read bigamist) "wife" Ann allegedly gave birth to "Little Barry."

Did Ann "marry" Obama Sr., in order to get Obama's Kenyan son into the U.S.? She could have claimed the child as her own in order to get it U.S. citizenship.

I am told of an adoption scam in which American women would travel to a foreign country, pick up a child there, and claim to have given birth to it abroad. They could then bring the child into the U.S. without going through all the red tape.

Was Barack Obama Jr. an "anchor baby" son of Barack Obama Sr. and his first wife, who was still married to him and in Kenya at the time of Barry's "birth" in Hawaii?

Possible scenario, circa 1961:

1. Barack Obama Sr. commissions his classmate, Stanley Ann Dunham, to "adopt" his Kenyan child and bring it to the U.S. so that it can have U.S. citizenship.

2. Ms. Dunham agrees and travels to Kenya.

3. Obama Sr's real (first) wife gives birth to Obama Sr's son (Barack Jr.) in a Mombasa hospital.

4. While in Kenya, Ann obtains documents that identify herself as the child's mother. (In Kenya, Muslim men are allowed to have more than one wife.)

5. Ann brings the child to the U.S., claiming it to be her own.

6. A birth announcement is placed in the Honolulu Advertiser stating that a "son" was born to Mr. and Mrs. Barack Obama.

7. Barack Sr. and Ann complete the "paperwork" to insure that Little Barry has U.S. citizenship.

32 posted on 01/03/2011 7:09:35 AM PST by Jess Kitting
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To: F15Eagle
What “social events” Neil, specifically, and what dates did you see the parents and little baby?

Please. Who keeps track of the dates of their bong parties?
33 posted on 01/03/2011 7:13:08 AM PST by Cheburashka (Democratic Underground - the Hogwarts of Stupid.)
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To: arthurus

I think Abercrombie is probably like a more demented Joe Biden. He just gets a wild hare from time to time and opens mouth and inserts foot. Its all good as long as it keeps the birth certificate issue alive and kicking. Obama must have been horrified when old Neil said he was going to release more birth information.

According to Bam Bam in his book “Dreams From My Father” he found his birth certificate in a book one day. So he could dust that bad boy off any day of the week and show it around. But he is not going to.


34 posted on 01/03/2011 7:15:24 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Citing Abercrombie as source, a 2007 Hawaii TV news report claimed that Ann "became estranged from her husband, Barack Obama[,] Sr., after his departure for Harvard.

This has always been the official story but it has never made sense to me. If the marriage had been real at the time Obama Sr left for Harvard, she would have gone with him. In Dreams, Obama claims Harvard would only provide enough money for dad, but this is a flimsy explanation. Ann was bright and hard-working. She could have accompanied Sr to Cambridge and found a job there had she wanted to be with the guy.

35 posted on 01/03/2011 8:59:05 AM PST by freespirited (Truth is the new hate speech. -- Pamela Geller)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

I think Abercrombie is probably like a more demented Joe Biden. He just gets a wild hare from time to time and opens mouth and inserts foot. Its all good as long as it keeps the birth certificate issue alive and kicking. Obama must have been horrified when old Neil said he was going to release more birth information.

According to Bam Bam in his book “Dreams From My Father” he found his birth certificate in a book one day. So he could dust that bad boy off any day of the week and show it around. But he is not going to.


I’d rather have a birth certificate released by the state than one released by Obama.
Would you trust a document released by Obama, or under his authority?
Officials of the previous Republican administration in Hawaii say that they have seen the actual birth certificate at the Department of Health. Those former officials (the Director of Health and the Registrar of Vital Statistics) can confirm or invalidate the information on anything that is released.


36 posted on 01/03/2011 10:34:00 AM PST by jamese777
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To: F15Eagle

Does getting high in a pot house count as a “social event” in Hawaii?


37 posted on 01/03/2011 10:38:26 AM PST by omegadawn (qualified)
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To: cameraeye

Why hasn’t he shown the bc yet? That was last weeks news and they still have not produced even a sloppy piece of paper.


His excuse is that he’s waiting for the Hawai’i Senate confirmation of his new Director of Health and new state Attorney General (an appointed position in Hawai’i).

The Director of Health has statuatory control of the actual document and since there has been regime change in Hawai’i, there are new deputy sheriffs riding in to town.


38 posted on 01/03/2011 10:48:20 AM PST by jamese777
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
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39 posted on 01/03/2011 11:07:06 AM PST by bushpilot1
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40 posted on 01/03/2011 11:07:38 AM PST by bushpilot1
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To: Jess Kitting

Little Barry, (son of) Obama Sr. and his future wife. Huh?

So Obama Sr. and Ann weren’t married when “Little Barry” was born? What about the newspaper announcement, stating “Mr. and Mrs. Barack Obama” had given birth to a son?

Oh, that “Mr. and Mrs. Obama” may have been referring to Barack Sr and his first wife, a woman in Kenya who he was still married to when his second (read bigamist) “wife” Ann allegedly gave birth to “Little Barry.”

Did Ann “marry” Obama Sr., in order to get Obama’s Kenyan son into the U.S.? She could have claimed the child as her own in order to get it U.S. citizenship.

I am told of an adoption scam in which American women would travel to a foreign country, pick up a child there, and claim to have given birth to it abroad. They could then bring the child into the U.S. without going through all the red tape.

Was Barack Obama Jr. an “anchor baby” son of Barack Obama Sr. and his first wife, who was still married to him and in Kenya at the time of Barry’s “birth” in Hawaii?

Possible scenario, circa 1961:

1. Barack Obama Sr. commissions his classmate, Stanley Ann Dunham, to “adopt” his Kenyan child and bring it to the U.S. so that it can have U.S. citizenship.

2. Ms. Dunham agrees and travels to Kenya.

3. Obama Sr’s real (first) wife gives birth to Obama Sr’s son (Barack Jr.) in a Mombasa hospital.

4. While in Kenya, Ann obtains documents that identify herself as the child’s mother. (In Kenya, Muslim men are allowed to have more than one wife.)

5. Ann brings the child to the U.S., claiming it to be her own.

6. A birth announcement is placed in the Honolulu Advertiser stating that a “son” was born to Mr. and Mrs. Barack Obama.

7. Barack Sr. and Ann complete the “paperwork” to insure that Little Barry has U.S. citizenship.


http://www.buffalonews.com/incoming/article137495.ece

In 1961 both Honolulu newspapers got their birth, death and marriage statistics directly from the Health Bureau and not from family members or friends.
In fact the section of the newspaper where the data appeared is called “Health Bureau Statistics” Not “birth annnouncements.”
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=104678


41 posted on 01/03/2011 11:16:43 AM PST by jamese777
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

” Abercrombie told the Los Angeles Times just before Christmas, “that could look you right in the eye right now and tell you, ‘I was here when that baby was born.’”

LIER!!!

“Abercrombie clarified to Mark Niesse of the Associated Press that he didn’t exactly see Obama’s parents with their newborn son at the hospital”

Clarified. Yea, right. Caught is more like it.


42 posted on 01/03/2011 11:28:31 AM PST by saleman (!!!!)
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To: pepsionice

In 1961, virtually all births were done under anesthesia. “Natural child birth” became the norm some years later. Mothers, typically, spent a full week recuperating IN the hospital.

It was also a lot easier in 1961 to give any information the family wanted to be entered on the birth certificate, i.e., husband. A friend of mine gave birth to a child out of wedlock in the late 60s and the ‘sperm donor’ was listed as father. No one questioned the entry.


43 posted on 01/03/2011 11:33:17 AM PST by EDINVA
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To: jamese777

” In 1961 both Honolulu newspapers got their birth, death and marriage statistics directly from the Health Bureau and not from family members or friends.”

How does anyone know what the policies of the Honolulu papers were were 50 years ago or whether they also allowed additional announcements ?

” The Advertiser’s Marsha McFadden told WND at the time of Obama’s birth announcement, the newspaper got all of its information from the state Department of Health.
That would include the address.”

“If we published it, it came from the state,” she said.

Here’s video of Mary McFadden.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bs_oRGHNhz0

Unless she’s a time traveler
how would she know what did or
didn’t happen 50 years ago at the Honolulu paper ?
Or if a worker did a favor for a friend and added a birth announcement ?


44 posted on 01/03/2011 11:46:30 AM PST by Wild Irish Rogue
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To: Wild Irish Rogue

How does anyone know what the policies of the Honolulu papers were were 50 years ago or whether they also allowed additional announcements ?

” The Advertiser’s Marsha McFadden told WND at the time of Obama’s birth announcement, the newspaper got all of its information from the state Department of Health.
That would include the address.”

“If we published it, it came from the state,” she said.

Here’s video of Mary McFadden.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bs_oRGHNhz0

Unless she’s a time traveler
how would she know what did or
didn’t happen 50 years ago at the Honolulu paper ?
Or if a worker did a favor for a friend and added a birth announcement ?


Organizations tend to keep records of their policies. That’s how we know that there was a Constitutional Convention that drafted the Constitution, even though that happened 224 years ago.
Why would the section of the paper be entitled “Health Bureau Statistics” if the data didn’t come from the Health Bureau?
How would anyone ever be able to prove, fifty years later that a “worker did a favor for a friend?”

The previous governor of Hawai’i, Linda Lingle said the following in a radio interview: “You know, during the campaign of 2008, I was actually in the mainland campaigning for Sen. McCain. This issue kept coming up so much in the campaign, and again I think it’s one of those issues that is simply a distraction from the more critical issues that are facing the country. And so I had my health director, who is a physician by background, go personally view the birth certificate in the birth records of the Department of Health, and we issued a news release at that time saying that the president was, in fact, born at Kapi’olani Hospital in Honolulu, Hawaii. And that’s just a fact. And yet people continue to call up and e-mail and want to make it an issue. And I think it’s, again, a horrible distraction for the country by those people who continue this. ... It’s been established. He was born here.”
May 2, 2010


45 posted on 01/03/2011 12:15:20 PM PST by jamese777
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To: Wild Irish Rogue

You question this:

“The Advertiser’s Marsha McFadden told WND at the time of Obama’s birth announcement, the newspaper got all of its information from the state Department of Health. That would include the address.”

Getting it into the paper didn’t need to be the act of a friend. At the time, Hawaii allowed you to go to the hall of records (or whatever they called it) and register your baby. All you had to do was say you birthed it at home and they would give you a Certificate of Live Birth (COLB), which is what BO has. To get a Birth Certificate (long form), it had to be submitted by the hospital and included hospital, time of birth, delivering doctor, etc.

So, even if you gave birth at home or in Japan, Korea, Kenya, wherever - when you showed up at city hall (or the Health Bureau) and said you had a baby, they gave you that COLB - and submitted the birth announcement to the paper. The address listed would be that of the people who were given the COLB.

And now you have a COLB and a listing in the paper from the Health Bureau with whatever information you provided to them.


46 posted on 01/03/2011 12:51:29 PM PST by FrogMom (No such thing as an honest democrat!)
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To: John Valentine; Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!; GQuagmire; wintertime; Fred Nerks; null and void; ...
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Important. Check out # 13.

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47 posted on 01/03/2011 12:51:47 PM PST by LucyT
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To: LucyT

The article makes it clear Albercrombie cannot possibly be accurate in his story.

The media have gone silent on this for 4 days now....


48 posted on 01/03/2011 12:59:33 PM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: Jess Kitting; Wild Irish Rogue; LucyT; melancholy
How about the possibility that the newspaper birth announcements were forged? For detailed analysis of this possibility, check out the postings at:

My very own point of view

49 posted on 01/03/2011 1:05:27 PM PST by Fractal Trader
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To: LucyT

This is all nuts. BO’s father had four? wives.

What if Obama is not Barack Obama but he is Barry Soetoro and he knew this was not a good political name? No one witnessed Obama’s parents marriage was it legit or in some wooded tribal ceremony? The MSM can tell us every time ODonnell and Palin left their homes and they can’t report on this mess?

He boasted the AFRICAN born name for votes?

http://web.archive.org/web/20040627142700/eastandard.net/headlines/news26060403.htm


50 posted on 01/03/2011 1:13:38 PM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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