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Will Obama Silence Blundering Abercrombie?(Hawaii's 'Progressive' Gov./Certifigate)
American Thinker ^ | January 3, 2011 | Jack Cashill

Posted on 01/03/2011 2:35:42 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

For reasons clear to no one just yet, Hawaii's new Democrat governor, Neil Abercrombie, has gone public with his desire to silence the so-called "birthers" with proof of Barack Obama's Hawaiian birth.

"Maybe I'm the only one in the country," Abercrombie told the Los Angeles Times just before Christmas, "that could look you right in the eye right now and tell you, 'I was here when that baby was born.'"

A few days later, Abercrombie clarified to Mark Niesse of the Associated Press that he didn't exactly see Obama's parents with their newborn son at the hospital, but that he "remembers seeing Obama as a child with his parents at social events."

Although the major media have questioned why Abercrombie would raise an issue that, according to the Los Angeles Times, "most people see as resolved," they take Abercrombie at his word as to what he knows about the young Obama family.

They shouldn't. Abercrombie's boasts about his relationship with the president's presumed parents, Barack Obama, Sr. and Ann Dunham, have got to unnerve the president and his close advisors. They know something the media perversely choose not to know: Abercrombie is remembering a past that never happened.

A member of the House's progressive caucus before his election as governor, Abercrombie has been talking excitedly about the relationship for years, playing John the Baptist to Obama's Jesus.

"Little Barry, that's what we called him," Abercrombie told the Chicago Tribune while "recalling his days with Obama Sr. and his future wife, Ann Dunham, at the University of Hawaii." If Obama were born on August 4, 1961, however, there could not have been many such days.

As is thoroughly documented, Ann and little Barry were in Seattle two weeks later, where she enrolled at the University of Washington. By the time she returned to Hawaii in late summer or fall 1962, Barack Sr. had left for Harvard for good.

Citing Abercrombie as source, a 2007 Hawaii TV news report claimed that Ann "became estranged from her husband, Barack Obama[,] Sr., after his departure for Harvard." I don't know about Hawaii, but in Missouri, if you flee your husband with baby in tow two weeks after his birth, that qualifies as "estrangement."

According to divorce papers filed in 1964, Barack Sr. and Ann married in Wailuku, Maui on February 2, 1961. But one has to wonder whether it was a marriage in anything but name, or whether there was a marriage at all. Obama himself writes in Dreams, "In fact, how and when the marriage occurred remains a bit murky, a bill of particulars that I've never quite had the courage to explore."

No one attended the wedding -- not Abercrombie, not Ann's parents. In fact, no one in Barack Sr.'s clique seemed to know there was a relationship, let alone a wedding. Neil's brother Hal never saw Ann and Barack Sr. together. Another clique member, Pake Zane, who had distinct memories of Barack Sr., could not recall Ann at all. When Neil Abercrombie and Zane visited their friend in Nairobi in 1968, Barack Sr. shocked them by never once inquiring about his putative wife and 6-year-old son.

The 17-year-old Ann had met the 24 year-old Barack Sr. in Russian class at the University of Hawaii. Why they were studying Russian (in 1960, people like Lee Harvey Oswald studied Russian) is a question for another day. In Dreams, Ann provides only the sketchiest detail of their first date -- Barack Sr. came an hour late and with friends -- and nothing more.

A high school friend of Ann's claims to have received a letter or two from Ann in which she spoke about Barack Sr., and there is no reason to doubt her. But beyond this, there is no evidence of a relationship, and the only evidence for the marriage are the divorce papers, which are real and have been posted online.

One reason people marry in a county other than their own -- Maui County, for instance -- is to keep the announcement of the marriage license out of the local paper. By claiming a Maui wedding, and perhaps even attaining a Maui license, the Dunhams could have assured the baby an identity without drawing attention to the relationship.

If Obama had, in fact, been born out of wedlock, or if his father had been someone other than Barack Sr., that would not have affected Obama's eligibility for higher office, but it would have surely de-glamorized him. "Barry Dunham" does not exactly tease the imagination.

Whatever his contribution, Obama Sr. lent young Barry a name, an identity, and a romantic storyline. Obama's mother and grandparents sustained this narrative throughout Obama's childhood.

Barack Obama repeated this story in his memoir Dreams from My Father, and to good effect. When Obama hooked up with campaign guru David Axelrod in his 2004 race for the U.S. Senate, his story crystallized into a marketing strategy. In the retelling, little Barry is always two years old when Barack Sr. reluctantly leaves wife and son for Harvard. This is a lie.

Guided by Axelrod, Obama held off in his breakthrough keynote speech at the 2004 Democratic convention for all of 46 words -- including "Thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you so much" -- before sharing his story with the world.

At the 2008 Democratic Convention in Denver, Obama leaped into the story in the very first sentence. "Four years ago," he began, "I stood before you and told you my story -- of the brief union between a young man from Kenya and a young woman from Kansas who weren't well-off or well-known, but shared a belief that in America, their son could achieve whatever he put his mind to."

In between the two convention speeches, the story of Obama's birth was told more often than that of anyone's since Jesus. No one, of course, told it as convincingly as Obama himself, especially in his game-saving Philadelphia speech, immodestly titled "A More Perfect Union."

In this speech, delivered to negate the baleful impact of the Jeremiah Wright videos, Obama attributed his faith in the American people to his "own American story." He reminded those few registered voters who might somehow have forgotten that "I am the son of a black man from Kenya and a white woman from Kansas." Although the proto-hippie Ann spent her formative teen years in Seattle, the storyline always places her in Kansas.

Obama and his operatives would invest enormous political capital in what sympathetic biographer David Remnick calls his "signature appeal: the use of the details of his own life as a reflection of a kind of multicultural ideal." From the beginning, they worked hard to protect the investment and did what they had to do to keep the storytellers in line.

Abercrombie may not have gotten the memo. Although the president was likely born in the United States, he may not have been born in Hawaii, he may not have been born in August 1961, he may not have been the son of Barack Sr., or he may have simply been listed as "white" on his birth certificate.

The truth is that the storied little family never lived together. Any fact that blew the storyline could have derailed Obama's candidacy before it got going. Expect the Abercrombie fuss to just sort of fade away.


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Government; Local News; Politics
KEYWORDS: abercrombie; birthcertificate; birthers; certifigate; democrats; hawaii; kenyabelieveit; naturalborncitizen; obama
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To: jamese777

OBOT!

51 posted on 01/03/2011 1:29:24 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron (The Tree of Liberty did not grow from an ACORN!)
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To: wolfcreek

No it’s World Net Daily. :)


52 posted on 01/03/2011 1:33:35 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: Cheburashka

LOL


53 posted on 01/03/2011 1:40:47 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: bushpilot1

EXCELLENT


54 posted on 01/03/2011 1:41:38 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: jamese777
You quote Hawaiian Governor Lingle as follows:
And so I had my health director, who is a physician by background, go personally view the birth certificate in the birth records of the Department of Health, and we issued a news release at that time saying that the president was, in fact, born at Kapi’olani Hospital in Honolulu, Hawaii. And that’s just a fact.
Well, that's NOT what the news release said, nor was it a "news release" it was a "statement release", see following. The pertinent article excerpt is as follows:
Obama's Birth Certificate Verified By State
Health Department Receives Multiple Requests For Copies
POSTED: 12:12 pm HST October 31, 2008
UPDATED: 1:26 pm HST November 1, 2008

HONOLULU -- The state's Department of Health director on Friday released a statement verifying the legitimacy of Sen. Barack Obama birth certificate. ...

"There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate. State law (Hawai‘i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record," DOH Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said.

Fukino said she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama's original birth certificate.

"Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures," Fukino said.

There's really no swearing to any fact, only a official statement of only one fact, that there is something "on record" about Obama's original birth certificate. It doesn't even have to mean, read carefully, that there is any original birth certificate. The official statement is so tersely worded and lacking detail that even a entry in a log of records indicating that there was no original birth certificate would satisfy it.

In an interview -- which is not an official statement, and certainly not under oath, Governor Lingle is putting words in other's mouths -- hearsay. Indirect hearsay. Weak, not conclusive, very poor evidence. Courts and hearing boards could not accept it. Why should we?

And psychologically, Lingle's need to use verbal reinforcements to assert the "fact" nature is troubling. In underlined those in the excerpt.

Note how the reinforcers bracket the reference "born at Kapi’olani Hospital". Thus I suspect that statement is NOT a fact.

55 posted on 01/03/2011 1:42:24 PM PST by bvw
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“”Little Barry, that’s what we called him,” Abercrombie told the Chicago Tribune while “recalling his days with Obama Sr. and his future wife, Ann Dunham, at the University of Hawaii.” If Obama were born on August 4, 1961, however, there could not have been many such days.”

At the link below (no dates but I’ve had it bookmarked since shortly after the election), scroll down about 1/5 of the page to the letters from UH ex-students who were in Sr.’s group of friends. None of them tell tales of remembering Ann or little Barry back in the day. Just another nail in the “social events” lie.

http://cambodiana.org/MainreasonsofmysupportofObama.aspx


56 posted on 01/03/2011 1:48:25 PM PST by bgill (K Parliament- how could a young man born in Kenya who is not even a native American become the POTUS)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
One reason people marry in a county other than their own -- Maui County, for instance -- is to keep the announcement of the marriage license out of the local paper.

Not just another county but 2-3 islands away. Even in Dreams, Hussein admits there was a legality problem with the "marriage."

57 posted on 01/03/2011 1:53:41 PM PST by bgill (K Parliament- how could a young man born in Kenya who is not even a native American become the POTUS)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"Maybe I'm the only one in the country," Abercrombie told the Los Angeles Times just before Christmas, "that could look you right in the eye right now and tell you, 'I was here when that baby was born.'"

That's a talent that I find remarkably disturbing in your average RAT. The ability to look a person in the eye and lie with conviction.

58 posted on 01/03/2011 1:56:05 PM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: bvw

You quote Hawaiian Governor Lingle as follows:
And so I had my health director, who is a physician by background, go personally view the birth certificate in the birth records of the Department of Health, and we issued a news release at that time saying that the president was, in fact, born at Kapi’olani Hospital in Honolulu, Hawaii. And that’s just a fact.
Well, that’s NOT what the news release said, nor was it a “news release” it was a “statement release”, see following. The pertinent article excerpt is as follows:
Obama’s Birth Certificate Verified By State
Health Department Receives Multiple Requests For Copies
POSTED: 12:12 pm HST October 31, 2008
UPDATED: 1:26 pm HST November 1, 2008
HONOLULU — The state’s Department of Health director on Friday released a statement verifying the legitimacy of Sen. Barack Obama birth certificate. ...

“There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate. State law (Hawai‘i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record,” DOH Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said.

Fukino said she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama’s original birth certificate.

“Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures,” Fukino said.

There’s really no swearing to any fact, only a official statement of only one fact, that there is something “on record” about Obama’s original birth certificate. It doesn’t even have to mean, read carefully, that there is any original birth certificate. The official statement is so tersely worded and lacking detail that even a entry in a log of records indicating that there was no original birth certificate would satisfy it.
In an interview — which is not an official statement, and certainly not under oath, Governor Lingle is putting words in other’s mouths — hearsay. Indirect hearsay. Weak, not conclusive, very poor evidence. Courts and hearing boards could not accept it. Why should we?

And psychologically, Lingle’s need to use verbal reinforcements to assert the “fact” nature is troubling. In underlined those in the excerpt.

Note how the reinforcers bracket the reference “born at Kapi’olani Hospital”. Thus I suspect that statement is NOT a fact.


If there were ever to be an actual trial or a congressional hearing, former Governor Lingle and Dr. Fukino can be called to testify under direct and cross examination and they can clarify their statements and their intent.

Dr. Fukino also issued a follow up news release which you didn’t quote:
STATEMENT BY HEALTH DIRECTOR CHIYOME FUKINO, M.D.
“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawai’i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai‘i State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai‘i and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago.”
http://hawaii.gov/health/about/pr/2009/09-063.pdf

You are also wrong about both statements not being official news releases of the state of Hawai’i. They most clearly and certainly are:
http://hawaii.gov/health/about/pr/2008/08-93.pdf

How big do the words NEWS RELEASE have to be on official state letterhead under the Governor’s name for you to see them?


59 posted on 01/03/2011 1:57:21 PM PST by jamese777
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Although the president was likely born in the United States, he may not have been born in Hawaii, he may not have been born in August 1961, he may not have been the son of Barack Sr., or he may have simply been listed as "white" on his birth certificate.

And monkeys may or may not have flown out of his butt some time between being born and the present day.

60 posted on 01/03/2011 1:57:49 PM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Obama held off in his breakthrough keynote speech at the 2004 Democratic convention for all of 46 words... before sharing his story with the world. At the 2008 Democratic Convention in Denver, Obama leaped into the story in the very first sentence.

There is barely a new story that doesn't begin with "born in Hawaii." Funny, no other politician's supposed birth place is crammed down the voters' throats as much as Hussien's. Why is that, hmmm? That old saying about telling a lie so many times that it finally becomes the truth comes to mind.

61 posted on 01/03/2011 2:00:38 PM PST by bgill (K Parliament- how could a young man born in Kenya who is not even a native American become the POTUS)
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To: jamese777

“I’d rather have a birth certificate released by the state than one released by Obama.”

Me too but Obama knows exactly what is on that BC. So if he is not eligible to be President he knew it all along and I believe its a felony to lie or commit fraud to run for President.


62 posted on 01/03/2011 2:08:04 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: F15Eagle

Wait, so it’s photoshopped? Did you photoshop it or who did?

Yeah, wolf, we drive by there all the time. I checked and it wasn’t taken from google maps.


63 posted on 01/03/2011 2:24:04 PM PST by bgill (K Parliament- how could a young man born in Kenya who is not even a native American become the POTUS)
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To: wolfcreek

ping


64 posted on 01/03/2011 2:28:16 PM PST by bgill (K Parliament- how could a young man born in Kenya who is not even a native American become the POTUS)
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To: jamese777; bvw
jamese777, on **every** birther thread you post Lingle’s and Fukino’s highly massaged and oh sooooooo carefully crafted statements. Who cares a twit what they do or do not think when there is proof available to definitively settle the matter?

Gee!...Since it is soooooooo above board and transparent why doesn't Mr. Obama just promptly prove ( with the best evidence) that he is indeed a natural born citizen and has,( and never has had)), any allegiance to another nation?

It is **SIMPLE** to prove one’s natural born citizenship. American “serfs” ( those “little” people) do it all the time for many reasons.

Fundamentally...It is very SIMPLE!! Obama has gone to considerable effort and expense ( some of that is tax dollars) to prevent proving that he is a natural born citizen.

A **real** American president would be HONORED to prove with the best evidence that he was a natural born citizen and does not, and never had allegiance to another nation. He would be especially **HONORED** to do that for the military.

How can Obama’s stonewalling on his eligibilty be good for military morale?

Just yesterday I read a Free Republic headline that, on average, an American soldier is **KILLED** in Afghanistan every 18 hours. I'd say that those men and women and their families deserve to **KNOW** that the man sending these soldiers to their deaths is indeed a legitimate president and not a usurper!

jamese777, Obama is losing this BIG TIME in the one court that matters the most: The Court of Public Opinion.

Every day more and more Americans are concluding that Obama can NOT prove he is a natural born citizen because is is NOT a natural born citizen.

65 posted on 01/03/2011 2:35:03 PM PST by wintertime (Re: Obama, Rush Limbaugh said, "He was born here." ( So? Where's the proof?))
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To: bushpilot1

LOL...that reminds me of a poster I had when I was a kid “Fly United”


66 posted on 01/03/2011 2:49:10 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron (The Tree of Liberty did not grow from an ACORN!)
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To: jamese777; butterdezillion
I was being a bit tricky with you about the distinction between a "news release" and a "statement release" ;-).

But not foolish about the other points.

It was interesting to see on what point you hung most of your answer!

In any case your original Lingle quote was from 2008 and Fukimo, MD, did not release his statement until 2009. So she was not referring to that.

And even the 2009 Fukino's statement is less terse, but it's slightly greater verbosity is inscrutable and ambiguous. He says he has seen , "original vital records maintained on file" by Hawaii DOH. What are those? We do not know. They could be merely a statement noting a birth by a family member or related party, or something else -- who knows? He doesn't say notice from a hospital, nor even the word "certificate". What are the kinds of things that Hawaii DOH has file as "original viral records"? Do you know? I do not. Maybe Butterdezillion does!

But Fukino, MD, then makes a professional miscue, perhaps even a breach of professional ethics. What is that? Well, I know that I can't give people medical advice posing as a professional. But how can MD Fukino then give LEGAL advice when he asserts that Obama is a "natural-born citizen"? In context that's a unique term of art in Constitutional Law. On what professional basis has Md Fukino made such a bold statement of legal fact determination? On what authority?

If the original vital record is the mere word of a grandparent MD Fukino might have been able to justify -- to himself and cronies -- that by that alone he could make his assertion. In any case, as I understand Hawaiian records law, his statement created an opportunity to request an explanation of the basis for his bold claim of "natural-born citizen" status. What do you know of that?

67 posted on 01/03/2011 3:17:28 PM PST by bvw
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To: bvw

Dr. Chiyome Fukino:
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.wnd.com/images/headshots/chiyomefukino.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.wnd.com/%3FpageId%3D105242&usg=__kUWeiJJW5WLcJ4hNXfKNvnhAXEY=&h=219&w=300&sz=64&hl=en&start=0&zoom=1&tbnid=V5bq581L4e6Q1M:&tbnh=123&tbnw=179&prev=/images%3Fq%3DDr.%2BChiyome%2Bfukino%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26sa%3DN%26rlz%3D1T4TSND_en___US407%26biw%3D935%26bih%3D404%26tbs%3Disch:1&um=1&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=322&vpy=134&dur=515&hovh=175&hovw=240&tx=135&ty=192&ei=P1siTYb7DI6ksQO-gu2HCg&oei=P1siTYb7DI6ksQO-gu2HCg&esq=1&page=1&ndsp=9&ved=1t:429,r:6,s:0


68 posted on 01/03/2011 3:30:54 PM PST by jamese777
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To: jamese777
Oh! Thanks!

Fukino, MD


Female.

69 posted on 01/03/2011 3:41:10 PM PST by bvw
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To: FrogMom; Wild Irish Rogue

The fact is that in Aug. 1961 the papers printed different lists, because they did not get them from the state DOH or whatever. Not all births were announced in the papers. Someone has done a lot of legwork on this - more than one person - and I’ll try to find the link, I posted it the other day and others have too.


70 posted on 01/03/2011 3:41:16 PM PST by little jeremiah
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To: FrogMom; Wild Irish Rogue

http://myveryownpointofview.wordpress.com/2010/05/28/extra-extra-announcing-obamas-birth/

There may be more page on the blog that have info. I read a whole bunch over there quite some time ago but not lately.


71 posted on 01/03/2011 3:43:20 PM PST by little jeremiah
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To: FrogMom; Wild Irish Rogue

Oh, and this from yesterday, more on the announcement issue:

http://myveryownpointofview.wordpress.com/


72 posted on 01/03/2011 3:46:37 PM PST by little jeremiah
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To: wintertime

jamese777, on **every** birther thread you post Lingle’s and Fukino’s highly massaged and oh sooooooo carefully crafted statements. Who cares a twit what they do or do not think when there is proof available to definitively settle the matter?
Gee!...Since it is soooooooo above board and transparent why doesn’t Mr. Obama just promptly prove ( with the best evidence) that he is indeed a natural born citizen and has,( and never has had)), any allegiance to another nation?

It is **SIMPLE** to prove one’s natural born citizenship. American “serfs” ( those “little” people) do it all the time for many reasons.

Fundamentally...It is very SIMPLE!! Obama has gone to considerable effort and expense ( some of that is tax dollars) to prevent proving that he is a natural born citizen.

A **real** American president would be HONORED to prove with the best evidence that he was a natural born citizen and does not, and never had allegiance to another nation. He would be especially **HONORED** to do that for the military.

How can Obama’s stonewalling on his eligibilty be good for military morale?

Just yesterday I read a Free Republic headline that, on average, an American soldier is **KILLED** in Afghanistan every 18 hours. I’d say that those men and women and their families deserve to **KNOW** that the man sending these soldiers to their deaths is indeed a legitimate president and not a usurper!

jamese777, Obama is losing this BIG TIME in the one court that matters the most: The Court of Public Opinion.

Every day more and more Americans are concluding that Obama can NOT prove he is a natural born citizen because is is NOT a natural born citizen.


Well, I think that Judges and Justices care about those carefully crafted statements. Judges and justices understand bureaucrats carefully crafting statements so as not to leave themselves open to liability suits.

If Obama is losing big time, then he will be defeated at the polls in 2012 for the choices that he has made and that’s exactly as it should be.

I have probably posted 100 different times what I think should have happened and still could happen to resolve this issue: a grand jury investigation in any jurisdiction where the name Barack Hussein Obama was on the ballot.

It’s really quite that simple, in my humble opinion. If a grand jury finds evidence of a crime: fraud, perjury, falsifying documents, election fraud, or forgery, then indictments can be handed down and Obama can either resign or be impeached and convicted. EVERY major political scandal in modern history was resolved via a grand jury.
Any documents that Obama has spent millions to hide can be forced into the open via a subpoena.


73 posted on 01/03/2011 3:51:22 PM PST by jamese777
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To: jazzlite
we have no credible major news media to get to the bottom of it.

They were too busy putting together a dossier on Joe the plumber Wurzelbacher and staking out Palin's neighbors.

74 posted on 01/03/2011 3:57:02 PM PST by nascarnation
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
As is thoroughly documented, Ann and little Barry were in Seattle two weeks later, where she enrolled at the University of Washington. By the time she returned to Hawaii in late summer or fall 1962, Barack Sr. had left for Harvard for good.

First of all, it has not been documented that she moved to Seattle two weeks later. Yes, she registered for U of W extension courses for the Fall quarter of 1961, but courses don't start until the end of September. Hence there is no reason to expect she arrived in Seattle until September.

That leaves plenty of time for her to show up at a social event in Hawaii with her new baby.

Heck, even if she did leave two weeks after the birth, that still leaves enough time for her to show up at a social event in Hawaii with the new baby.

75 posted on 01/03/2011 4:03:08 PM PST by curiosity
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To: bgill

As I understand it, WND publishes photographs of these billboards in place. They have several on their site from various locations around the country.

I wish it said “Where’s the LONG FORM Birth Certificate”?

That would raise the question more accurately to the target audience.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=242721

BORN IN THE USA?
Eligibility campaign confronts state lawmakers
Newest sign in Austin, where plan includes demand for documentation

Read more: Eligibility campaign confronts state lawmakers http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=242721#ixzz1A1JOSDLm


76 posted on 01/03/2011 4:04:13 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: jamese777
Any documents that Obama has spent millions to hide can be forced into the open via a subpoena.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Well....We now have a Republican majority in the House of Representatives, and Republicans ( state and federal) are on record that they will make an issue of Obama’s eligibility.

We will see.

77 posted on 01/03/2011 4:13:26 PM PST by wintertime (Re: Obama, Rush Limbaugh said, "He was born here." ( So? Where's the proof?))
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To: F15Eagle
I wish it said “Where’s the LONG FORM Birth Certificate”?

Yes, in some parts of the country, especially Texas, it could also refer to illegals. Wish it was really inside liberal Austin proper, like about I35 and Dean Keeton (Univ of Texas).

Ha, I've got some emails to send out!

78 posted on 01/03/2011 4:23:23 PM PST by bgill (K Parliament- how could a young man born in Kenya who is not even a native American become the POTUS)
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To: LucyT; Fred Nerks
If Abercrombie was such good friends with SADO and Obama, Sr, then why haven't we seen any photos of them together?


79 posted on 01/03/2011 4:41:22 PM PST by Brown Deer (Pray for Obama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

Now THAT was funny! ;-)


80 posted on 01/03/2011 4:56:29 PM PST by jamese777
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To: Las Vegas Ron

A group of student nurses from Knoxville, Tennessee wrote a letter of support to me while I was in Vietnam. Was given a copy of the item you mentioned, placed it in an envelope and mailed to the nurses. They were not pleased. One wanted to meet me when I returned.


81 posted on 01/03/2011 4:57:37 PM PST by bushpilot1
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Me too but Obama knows exactly what is on that BC. So if he is not eligible to be President he knew it all along and I believe its a felony to lie or commit fraud to run for President.


You are correct, it’s the crime of Election Fraud and any prosecuting attorney in the nation, where Obama’s name was on the ballot can convene a grand jury investigation and subpoena Obama’s birth certificate and related records. But thus far, none have: “No guts, no glory.”


82 posted on 01/03/2011 5:00:49 PM PST by jamese777
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To: curiosity
First of all, it has not been documented that she moved to Seattle two weeks later.

Her friend Susan stated Ann showed up at her house in Seattle in August not knowing how to change a diaper. One would "assume" that a month later, in September when classes started, she'd have practiced that skill many times over.

83 posted on 01/03/2011 5:00:53 PM PST by bgill (K Parliament- how could a young man born in Kenya who is not even a native American become the POTUS)
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To: jamese777

It is an African Stork.


84 posted on 01/03/2011 5:01:22 PM PST by bushpilot1
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To: wintertime

Well....We now have a Republican majority in the House of Representatives, and Republicans ( state and federal) are on record that they will make an issue of Obama’s eligibility.

We will see.


Yes we shall.

However any Republican state Attorney General could have convened a grand jury investigation to see if Obama was eligible as a natural born citizen and subpoenaed Obama’s birth certificate and records since February 10, 2007 when Obama announced his candidacy for the presidency, and up until today, none have.


85 posted on 01/03/2011 5:08:15 PM PST by jamese777
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To: jamese777
We will see.
86 posted on 01/03/2011 5:20:48 PM PST by wintertime (Re: Obama, Rush Limbaugh said, "He was born here." ( So? Where's the proof?))
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To: bushpilot1
They were not pleased. One wanted to meet me when I returned.

****Snort****

Bless you and thank you ;)

87 posted on 01/03/2011 6:13:21 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron (The Tree of Liberty did not grow from an ACORN!)
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To: jamese777

You’re not seriously comparing the workers at the Honolulu Star Advertiser of 50 years ago with the Founding Fathers, are you ?

” Linda Lingle ....we issued a news release at that time saying that the president was, in fact, born at Kapi’olani Hospital in Honolulu, Hawaii. “

Lingle is obviously confused about the statements her administration issued.
We won’t know if she is also confused about the
specific hospital of Obama’s birth
until the official birth certificate is publicly released.
She does however confirm that there is an unreleased birth certificate on file.
Unless she’s also confused about that.


88 posted on 01/03/2011 6:46:21 PM PST by Wild Irish Rogue
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To: bgill
Her friend Susan stated Ann showed up at her house in Seattle in August not knowing how to change a diaper.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

This is just more disinformation.

Honestly....Stanley Ann was a bright woman. She would have mastered diaper changing before leaving the hospital. Can anyone imagine that she couldn't change a diaper, but yet managed somehow to bring an infant from Hawaii to Washington ( by herself) without knowing this essential skill?

Only a Democrat Marxist would think that lie up.

89 posted on 01/03/2011 7:25:57 PM PST by wintertime (Re: Obama, Rush Limbaugh said, "He was born here." ( So? Where's the proof?))
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To: Wild Irish Rogue

You’re not seriously comparing the workers at the Honolulu Star Advertiser of 50 years ago with the Founding Fathers, are you ?


No, I am comparing organizations keeping records of their policies and not needing to “time-travel” in order to know what had happened in a previous era.

Lingle is obviously confused about the statements her administration issued.
We won’t know if she is also confused about the
specific hospital of Obama’s birth
until the official birth certificate is publicly released.
She does however confirm that there is an unreleased birth certificate on file.
Unless she’s also confused about that.

Well, we should soon know if the new Democrat administration is any less confused than the previous Republican administration.

Since Kapiolani Medical Center published a letter from Barack Hussein Obama in their Centennial Magazine in which he mentions Kapiolani as “the place of my birth,” I think the former Governor is on pretty solid ground.
http://www.kapiolanigift.org/doc/centennial-magazine.pdf

It makes sense to me that when Dr. Fukino reported back to Governor Lingle, the Director mentioned that Kapiolani was listed on the certiificate as the birth hospital but when the media release was run past the Attorney General’s office, they ruled out naming the hospital as a violation of HIPAA law privacy rules regarding medical records.
I don’t think that Governor Lingle was confused at all, I think that she just didn’t remember the exact wording of a news release that had been issued by the state Health Department 10 months earlier.


90 posted on 01/03/2011 8:37:21 PM PST by jamese777
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To: jamese777

We will see.


91 posted on 01/03/2011 9:59:14 PM PST by Brown Deer (Pray for Obama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: jamese777
Since Kapiolani Medical Center published a letter from Barack Hussein Obama in their Centennial Magazine...

Is this the letter that you are talking about?
92 posted on 01/03/2011 10:03:36 PM PST by Brown Deer (Pray for Obama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

100000%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


93 posted on 01/03/2011 10:17:48 PM PST by mojitojoe (In itÂ’s 1400 years of existence, Islam has 2 main accomplishments, psychotic violence and goat curr)
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To: Brown Deer

Is this the letter that you are talking about?

Yes, that’s the one. It’s on page six of the Kapi’olani Medical Center Centennial Magazine.
http://www.kapiolanigift.org/doc/centennial-magazine.pdf


94 posted on 01/03/2011 10:25:54 PM PST by jamese777
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To: knarf
I think you are right about this being orchestrated. I think it is likely the Dems/MSM are attempting to sucker the House into doing something stupid wrt Zero's eligibility affair.

They need to avoid everything, EXCEPT: cutting spending, reducing taxes, deregulation, repealing Dem legislation, and paying down the debt. Anything else just gets in the way and will make a mess of it.

95 posted on 01/03/2011 10:49:16 PM PST by CanaGuy (Go Harper! We still love you!)
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To: jamese777; LucyT
So why does the hospital refuse to comment on it?

Why won't the White House verify the letter?

Why did UPI first say he was born at Queens and then go back and change their archives to say otherwise?

Why did Snopes first say he was born at Queens?



James, do you have some sort of proof that the White House actually wrote that letter?
96 posted on 01/03/2011 11:02:59 PM PST by Brown Deer (Pray for Obama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Fractal Trader
How about the possibility that the newspaper birth announcements were forged?

These announcements don't say much, e.g., where he was born, the doctor, the hospital, who submitted it and when, citizenship, etc.

Pretty skimpy stuff to validate a president.

97 posted on 01/03/2011 11:09:49 PM PST by CanaGuy (Go Harper! We still love you!)
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Obama says he was born on Krypton!
98 posted on 01/03/2011 11:24:51 PM PST by Brown Deer (Pray for Obama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Jess Kitting; 2ndDivisionVet

How would he then be half white in skin color, hmmm???


99 posted on 01/04/2011 3:32:53 AM PST by danamco (')
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To: curiosity; 2ndDivisionVet
That leaves plenty of time for her to show up at a social event in Hawaii with her new baby.

Trollings are trying to make us believe that a white girl in the year of 1961 is going to social events showcasing a mulatto baby, ROTLMSO???

This deserves the FR "prestige" Cod Fish Award!!!

100 posted on 01/04/2011 4:00:04 AM PST by danamco (')
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