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Will Obama Silence Blundering Abercrombie?(Hawaii's 'Progressive' Gov./Certifigate)
American Thinker ^ | January 3, 2011 | Jack Cashill

Posted on 01/03/2011 2:35:42 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: Jess Kitting

Little Barry, (son of) Obama Sr. and his future wife. Huh?

So Obama Sr. and Ann weren’t married when “Little Barry” was born? What about the newspaper announcement, stating “Mr. and Mrs. Barack Obama” had given birth to a son?

Oh, that “Mr. and Mrs. Obama” may have been referring to Barack Sr and his first wife, a woman in Kenya who he was still married to when his second (read bigamist) “wife” Ann allegedly gave birth to “Little Barry.”

Did Ann “marry” Obama Sr., in order to get Obama’s Kenyan son into the U.S.? She could have claimed the child as her own in order to get it U.S. citizenship.

I am told of an adoption scam in which American women would travel to a foreign country, pick up a child there, and claim to have given birth to it abroad. They could then bring the child into the U.S. without going through all the red tape.

Was Barack Obama Jr. an “anchor baby” son of Barack Obama Sr. and his first wife, who was still married to him and in Kenya at the time of Barry’s “birth” in Hawaii?

Possible scenario, circa 1961:

1. Barack Obama Sr. commissions his classmate, Stanley Ann Dunham, to “adopt” his Kenyan child and bring it to the U.S. so that it can have U.S. citizenship.

2. Ms. Dunham agrees and travels to Kenya.

3. Obama Sr’s real (first) wife gives birth to Obama Sr’s son (Barack Jr.) in a Mombasa hospital.

4. While in Kenya, Ann obtains documents that identify herself as the child’s mother. (In Kenya, Muslim men are allowed to have more than one wife.)

5. Ann brings the child to the U.S., claiming it to be her own.

6. A birth announcement is placed in the Honolulu Advertiser stating that a “son” was born to Mr. and Mrs. Barack Obama.

7. Barack Sr. and Ann complete the “paperwork” to insure that Little Barry has U.S. citizenship.


http://www.buffalonews.com/incoming/article137495.ece

In 1961 both Honolulu newspapers got their birth, death and marriage statistics directly from the Health Bureau and not from family members or friends.
In fact the section of the newspaper where the data appeared is called “Health Bureau Statistics” Not “birth annnouncements.”
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=104678


41 posted on 01/03/2011 11:16:43 AM PST by jamese777
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

” Abercrombie told the Los Angeles Times just before Christmas, “that could look you right in the eye right now and tell you, ‘I was here when that baby was born.’”

LIER!!!

“Abercrombie clarified to Mark Niesse of the Associated Press that he didn’t exactly see Obama’s parents with their newborn son at the hospital”

Clarified. Yea, right. Caught is more like it.


42 posted on 01/03/2011 11:28:31 AM PST by saleman (!!!!)
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To: pepsionice

In 1961, virtually all births were done under anesthesia. “Natural child birth” became the norm some years later. Mothers, typically, spent a full week recuperating IN the hospital.

It was also a lot easier in 1961 to give any information the family wanted to be entered on the birth certificate, i.e., husband. A friend of mine gave birth to a child out of wedlock in the late 60s and the ‘sperm donor’ was listed as father. No one questioned the entry.


43 posted on 01/03/2011 11:33:17 AM PST by EDINVA
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To: jamese777

” In 1961 both Honolulu newspapers got their birth, death and marriage statistics directly from the Health Bureau and not from family members or friends.”

How does anyone know what the policies of the Honolulu papers were were 50 years ago or whether they also allowed additional announcements ?

” The Advertiser’s Marsha McFadden told WND at the time of Obama’s birth announcement, the newspaper got all of its information from the state Department of Health.
That would include the address.”

“If we published it, it came from the state,” she said.

Here’s video of Mary McFadden.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bs_oRGHNhz0

Unless she’s a time traveler
how would she know what did or
didn’t happen 50 years ago at the Honolulu paper ?
Or if a worker did a favor for a friend and added a birth announcement ?


44 posted on 01/03/2011 11:46:30 AM PST by Wild Irish Rogue
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To: Wild Irish Rogue

How does anyone know what the policies of the Honolulu papers were were 50 years ago or whether they also allowed additional announcements ?

” The Advertiser’s Marsha McFadden told WND at the time of Obama’s birth announcement, the newspaper got all of its information from the state Department of Health.
That would include the address.”

“If we published it, it came from the state,” she said.

Here’s video of Mary McFadden.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bs_oRGHNhz0

Unless she’s a time traveler
how would she know what did or
didn’t happen 50 years ago at the Honolulu paper ?
Or if a worker did a favor for a friend and added a birth announcement ?


Organizations tend to keep records of their policies. That’s how we know that there was a Constitutional Convention that drafted the Constitution, even though that happened 224 years ago.
Why would the section of the paper be entitled “Health Bureau Statistics” if the data didn’t come from the Health Bureau?
How would anyone ever be able to prove, fifty years later that a “worker did a favor for a friend?”

The previous governor of Hawai’i, Linda Lingle said the following in a radio interview: “You know, during the campaign of 2008, I was actually in the mainland campaigning for Sen. McCain. This issue kept coming up so much in the campaign, and again I think it’s one of those issues that is simply a distraction from the more critical issues that are facing the country. And so I had my health director, who is a physician by background, go personally view the birth certificate in the birth records of the Department of Health, and we issued a news release at that time saying that the president was, in fact, born at Kapi’olani Hospital in Honolulu, Hawaii. And that’s just a fact. And yet people continue to call up and e-mail and want to make it an issue. And I think it’s, again, a horrible distraction for the country by those people who continue this. ... It’s been established. He was born here.”
May 2, 2010


45 posted on 01/03/2011 12:15:20 PM PST by jamese777
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To: Wild Irish Rogue

You question this:

“The Advertiser’s Marsha McFadden told WND at the time of Obama’s birth announcement, the newspaper got all of its information from the state Department of Health. That would include the address.”

Getting it into the paper didn’t need to be the act of a friend. At the time, Hawaii allowed you to go to the hall of records (or whatever they called it) and register your baby. All you had to do was say you birthed it at home and they would give you a Certificate of Live Birth (COLB), which is what BO has. To get a Birth Certificate (long form), it had to be submitted by the hospital and included hospital, time of birth, delivering doctor, etc.

So, even if you gave birth at home or in Japan, Korea, Kenya, wherever - when you showed up at city hall (or the Health Bureau) and said you had a baby, they gave you that COLB - and submitted the birth announcement to the paper. The address listed would be that of the people who were given the COLB.

And now you have a COLB and a listing in the paper from the Health Bureau with whatever information you provided to them.


46 posted on 01/03/2011 12:51:29 PM PST by FrogMom (No such thing as an honest democrat!)
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To: John Valentine; Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!; GQuagmire; wintertime; Fred Nerks; null and void; ...
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Important. Check out # 13.

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47 posted on 01/03/2011 12:51:47 PM PST by LucyT
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To: LucyT

The article makes it clear Albercrombie cannot possibly be accurate in his story.

The media have gone silent on this for 4 days now....


48 posted on 01/03/2011 12:59:33 PM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: Jess Kitting; Wild Irish Rogue; LucyT; melancholy
How about the possibility that the newspaper birth announcements were forged? For detailed analysis of this possibility, check out the postings at:

My very own point of view

49 posted on 01/03/2011 1:05:27 PM PST by Fractal Trader
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To: LucyT

This is all nuts. BO’s father had four? wives.

What if Obama is not Barack Obama but he is Barry Soetoro and he knew this was not a good political name? No one witnessed Obama’s parents marriage was it legit or in some wooded tribal ceremony? The MSM can tell us every time ODonnell and Palin left their homes and they can’t report on this mess?

He boasted the AFRICAN born name for votes?

http://web.archive.org/web/20040627142700/eastandard.net/headlines/news26060403.htm


50 posted on 01/03/2011 1:13:38 PM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: jamese777

OBOT!

51 posted on 01/03/2011 1:29:24 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron (The Tree of Liberty did not grow from an ACORN!)
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To: jamese777
You quote Hawaiian Governor Lingle as follows:
And so I had my health director, who is a physician by background, go personally view the birth certificate in the birth records of the Department of Health, and we issued a news release at that time saying that the president was, in fact, born at Kapi’olani Hospital in Honolulu, Hawaii. And that’s just a fact.
Well, that's NOT what the news release said, nor was it a "news release" it was a "statement release", see following. The pertinent article excerpt is as follows:
Obama's Birth Certificate Verified By State
Health Department Receives Multiple Requests For Copies
POSTED: 12:12 pm HST October 31, 2008
UPDATED: 1:26 pm HST November 1, 2008

HONOLULU -- The state's Department of Health director on Friday released a statement verifying the legitimacy of Sen. Barack Obama birth certificate. ...

"There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate. State law (Hawai‘i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record," DOH Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said.

Fukino said she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama's original birth certificate.

"Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures," Fukino said.

There's really no swearing to any fact, only a official statement of only one fact, that there is something "on record" about Obama's original birth certificate. It doesn't even have to mean, read carefully, that there is any original birth certificate. The official statement is so tersely worded and lacking detail that even a entry in a log of records indicating that there was no original birth certificate would satisfy it.

In an interview -- which is not an official statement, and certainly not under oath, Governor Lingle is putting words in other's mouths -- hearsay. Indirect hearsay. Weak, not conclusive, very poor evidence. Courts and hearing boards could not accept it. Why should we?

And psychologically, Lingle's need to use verbal reinforcements to assert the "fact" nature is troubling. In underlined those in the excerpt.

Note how the reinforcers bracket the reference "born at Kapi’olani Hospital". Thus I suspect that statement is NOT a fact.

55 posted on 01/03/2011 1:42:24 PM PST by bvw
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“”Little Barry, that’s what we called him,” Abercrombie told the Chicago Tribune while “recalling his days with Obama Sr. and his future wife, Ann Dunham, at the University of Hawaii.” If Obama were born on August 4, 1961, however, there could not have been many such days.”

At the link below (no dates but I’ve had it bookmarked since shortly after the election), scroll down about 1/5 of the page to the letters from UH ex-students who were in Sr.’s group of friends. None of them tell tales of remembering Ann or little Barry back in the day. Just another nail in the “social events” lie.

http://cambodiana.org/MainreasonsofmysupportofObama.aspx


56 posted on 01/03/2011 1:48:25 PM PST by bgill (K Parliament- how could a young man born in Kenya who is not even a native American become the POTUS)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
One reason people marry in a county other than their own -- Maui County, for instance -- is to keep the announcement of the marriage license out of the local paper.

Not just another county but 2-3 islands away. Even in Dreams, Hussein admits there was a legality problem with the "marriage."

57 posted on 01/03/2011 1:53:41 PM PST by bgill (K Parliament- how could a young man born in Kenya who is not even a native American become the POTUS)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"Maybe I'm the only one in the country," Abercrombie told the Los Angeles Times just before Christmas, "that could look you right in the eye right now and tell you, 'I was here when that baby was born.'"

That's a talent that I find remarkably disturbing in your average RAT. The ability to look a person in the eye and lie with conviction.

58 posted on 01/03/2011 1:56:05 PM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: bvw

You quote Hawaiian Governor Lingle as follows:
And so I had my health director, who is a physician by background, go personally view the birth certificate in the birth records of the Department of Health, and we issued a news release at that time saying that the president was, in fact, born at Kapi’olani Hospital in Honolulu, Hawaii. And that’s just a fact.
Well, that’s NOT what the news release said, nor was it a “news release” it was a “statement release”, see following. The pertinent article excerpt is as follows:
Obama’s Birth Certificate Verified By State
Health Department Receives Multiple Requests For Copies
POSTED: 12:12 pm HST October 31, 2008
UPDATED: 1:26 pm HST November 1, 2008
HONOLULU — The state’s Department of Health director on Friday released a statement verifying the legitimacy of Sen. Barack Obama birth certificate. ...

“There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate. State law (Hawai‘i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record,” DOH Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said.

Fukino said she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama’s original birth certificate.

“Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures,” Fukino said.

There’s really no swearing to any fact, only a official statement of only one fact, that there is something “on record” about Obama’s original birth certificate. It doesn’t even have to mean, read carefully, that there is any original birth certificate. The official statement is so tersely worded and lacking detail that even a entry in a log of records indicating that there was no original birth certificate would satisfy it.
In an interview — which is not an official statement, and certainly not under oath, Governor Lingle is putting words in other’s mouths — hearsay. Indirect hearsay. Weak, not conclusive, very poor evidence. Courts and hearing boards could not accept it. Why should we?

And psychologically, Lingle’s need to use verbal reinforcements to assert the “fact” nature is troubling. In underlined those in the excerpt.

Note how the reinforcers bracket the reference “born at Kapi’olani Hospital”. Thus I suspect that statement is NOT a fact.


If there were ever to be an actual trial or a congressional hearing, former Governor Lingle and Dr. Fukino can be called to testify under direct and cross examination and they can clarify their statements and their intent.

Dr. Fukino also issued a follow up news release which you didn’t quote:
STATEMENT BY HEALTH DIRECTOR CHIYOME FUKINO, M.D.
“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawai’i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai‘i State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai‘i and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago.”
http://hawaii.gov/health/about/pr/2009/09-063.pdf

You are also wrong about both statements not being official news releases of the state of Hawai’i. They most clearly and certainly are:
http://hawaii.gov/health/about/pr/2008/08-93.pdf

How big do the words NEWS RELEASE have to be on official state letterhead under the Governor’s name for you to see them?


59 posted on 01/03/2011 1:57:21 PM PST by jamese777
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Although the president was likely born in the United States, he may not have been born in Hawaii, he may not have been born in August 1961, he may not have been the son of Barack Sr., or he may have simply been listed as "white" on his birth certificate.

And monkeys may or may not have flown out of his butt some time between being born and the present day.

60 posted on 01/03/2011 1:57:49 PM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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