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If Palin Is Unelectable In 2012, So Are All The Other GOP Candidates
conservatives4palin ^ | 1-03-11 | Sheya

Posted on 01/03/2011 9:59:10 PM PST by unseen1

On most issues, Americans at large and conservatives in particular agree with Governor Palin. However, for two years now, the media has been pushing the narrative that Governor Palin is polarizing, radioactive and unpopular. They’ve been trashing her, attacking her, distorting her record, and making up lies about her on a daily basis. No politician in US history has received the scrutiny that Governor Palin has received.

Now as the 2012 campaign gears up, we suddenly have people coming out from the left and the right proclaiming that Governor Palin is unelectable because she is, lets repeat that: Polarizing, radioactive and unpopular. That is like leaving your milk out in the sun and then suing the dairy when the milk goes sour.

The reasoning goes that Governor Palin has been, fairly or not, so smeared that there is no way she can come back from it. Today our friend, Erick Erickson, weighed in:

[R]ight now I am not excited by or inspired by any of them save Sarah Palin and, as much as I love Sarah Palin, I am adamantly convinced that she cannot win given the ridiculous smears and hate thrown her way by Democrats and, frankly, by a lot of Republicans. She has been made radioactive.
I respect Erick a lot and he’s a really good guy but it appears that he has decided to raise the white flag and send the media a message “if you do it long enough, you’ll win.”

My question to Mr. Erickson is if the standard of electability is judged by the degree in which a candidate has been smeared, who in the GOP is electable?

Make no mistake, the next GOP nominee will be taken to the woodshed and beaten up just like Governor Palin. Just go back and see what happened to media darling John McCain in 2008. This time though the operation is run from within the white house, with the CIA, FBI, the Pentagon and the entire media at their disposal. They will use every tool and every trick in the book to take down any GOP potential nominee.

If the degree to which a GOP nominee has been smeared is how we judge the electability of a candidate, Governor Palin is actually the only potential candidate that is electable. Palin has already had everything and anything thrown at her. They have sent the lawyers, investigated her, hacked her emails, and everything in between. What else do they have? Nothing. That’s why they keep on going back to her “refudiate” tweet and even that tactic came back to bite them when it made it into the Oxford dictionary.

Why do people think they trash her in the first place? Because they actually believe she could win and think they can beat her by taking her out of the game. If Governor Palin announces tomorrow she won’t run the attacks will stop. Minus some of the more unhinged people on the left who clearly have other issues.

Governor Palin has not even announced a run for the presidency yet. She has not established her campaign message, no campaign ads have been produced, there have been no debates or campaign interviews, and she hasn’t gone out and done the meet and greet with voters. In other words, the Palin campaign has not even begun. This gives Governor Palin the advantage over her potential rivals. When the campaign begins and Governor Palin gets the opportunity to get out and talk directly to the voters, she’ll be immune to any potential attack because the voters have already heard every potential attack launched against her.

Some argue that her initial interviews with Katie Couric left a bad first impression. Let’s be clear here – Governor Palin was thrown on to the national stage and she didn’t even have time to take her coat off before her motherhood, faithfulness, record, and entire life had already been questioned. So yes, Governor Palin didn’t have the best start and with only eight weeks, she never really had a chance to settle in. Barack Obama himself admitted that it took him three months to settle into the campaign.

If and when Governor Palin announces a run, she will do so with the benefit of hindsight and past experience. Her campaign will be organized, well managed, and she will spread her own message. Her message is one that the American people will want to hear and agree with. The American people will learn that all those things they’ve been led to believe about her were simply not true. They will suddenly realize that all those things they want America to be is exactly what a President Palin will make manifest.

Erickson goes on:

I would, however, still gladly vote for her and support her.
So my message to Mr. Erickson and all those people who believe in Governor Palin is to help Governor Palin push back against the false narratives, help us get the truth out, and help spread Governor Palin’s message instead of conceding to the “ridiculous smears.” For too long, we have stood by at the sidelines and allowed the media and the elites to tell us what to believe and what to think. Stand up for your country, stand up for your constitutional rights, and stand up for what you believe in. If not now, when and with whom?

Don’t retreat, reload!


TOPICS: Government; Miscellaneous; Politics; Religion
KEYWORDS: bushism; electability; freepressforpalin; grassroots; palin; reaganism; redstate; rino; sarahpalin
There is no other Reagan conservative in the race. If Gov Palin is taken out of the race, Reaganism is taken out of the race. The battlelines are drawn. Are you a Reaganite or a Bushie? If you want the Gop and the country to return to Reaganism you must support gov Palin. If however, you think the country did just fine under the Bush/Clinton/bush/Obama regimes then by all means support the Rino of your choice.
1 posted on 01/03/2011 9:59:13 PM PST by unseen1
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To: unseen1

amen

you and the author are right on the money !


2 posted on 01/03/2011 10:11:57 PM PST by se_ohio_young_conservative (Palin or 3rd party... no exceptions !)
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To: unseen1

Your problem here is respecting Erick Erickson opinion here. He has been very wrong before and I don’t see the empirical evidence of what he is selling this time.


3 posted on 01/03/2011 10:15:50 PM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: Lazlo in PA

I’m not the writer. I just posted the piece. My take away line of the post was this:

So my message to Mr. Erickson and all those people who believe in Governor Palin is to help Governor Palin push back against the false narratives, help us get the truth out, and help spread Governor Palin’s message instead of conceding to the “ridiculous smears.” For too long, we have stood by at the sidelines and allowed the media and the elites to tell us what to believe and what to think. Stand up for your country, stand up for your constitutional rights, and stand up for what you believe in. If not now, when and with whom?
Don’t retreat, reload!



4 posted on 01/03/2011 10:19:10 PM PST by unseen1
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To: unseen1

I hope Palin does run, if only to make the other candidates go to the right with her. Her problem is that, although she is far from a right-winger, as her support for moderate candidates in California and Arizona showed, she is to the right of everyone else, and they don’t want the public to know it. I take her as basically a libertarian whose life experience made her pro-life and patriotic.


5 posted on 01/03/2011 10:23:30 PM PST by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative

I second that.


6 posted on 01/03/2011 10:24:12 PM PST by Lily4Jesus ( Jesus is LORD)
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To: unseen1

Erik is like Hugh Hewitt imho. They’re so poll driven. They’ll the type that will settle for a RINO to win an election, then whine about how the government dont govern like conservatives


7 posted on 01/03/2011 10:26:30 PM PST by 4rcane
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To: RobbyS

I hope she run and even if she loses, I hope she run again and again til she win and she will prove everyone wrong by the way she govern, that she’s a great Executive


8 posted on 01/03/2011 10:28:01 PM PST by 4rcane
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To: RobbyS
She is a Reaganite. Reagan was not a hard right extreme candidate. He simply believed in federalism, 10th amendment, freedom, pro-life, less government, pro-america. If you take most of Reagan's positions they match up with Palin’s positions to a T. the only one where Palin is more to the right than Reagan is on immigration.
9 posted on 01/03/2011 10:29:18 PM PST by unseen1
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To: unseen1

That is a very simplistic comment. If you don’t support Sarah then you like Clinton, Bush and O’Bama. Sarah’s problems are much deeper than this article would have you believe. She is not at this time electable because the college educated, white middle/upper middle class conservative white voters aren’t comfortable with her. And if she can’t win the suburban counties around your major cities which are the stronghold of Republican and moderately conservative independents she can’t win the election. I live in one of those counties. Every 2 years we send one of the most conservative members of the House back to DC. We overwhelmingly supported our conservative governor twice and are as a group small government, low tax, pro-gun people, but most of my neighbors have told me they will not vote for Sarah in 2012. They want a candidate in 2012 that is competent, conservative and accomplished and see Sarah as only one of the 3. They want Sarah to do exactly what she is doing now. Campaigning, fund raising, working to get out the vote. Without these people the GOP loses in 2012, I don’t think they are in the no mood to vote for the lesser of two evils. They will sit out the presidential election if they are not happy with the candidates they have to choose from.


10 posted on 01/03/2011 10:29:30 PM PST by redangus
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To: unseen1

Good point.

So let’s just assume Palin were to become President. ..what would happen? We’d have a President with rock-solid Conservative principles, a proven ability to get things done without compromising them or “reaching across” BS, a person who even her enemies have to admit has uncanny political skills, and a Mom in Charge. What’s not to like?

And to those who endlessly post things like “I don’t see any candidates I like”, in all humility: “get over yourself”.


11 posted on 01/03/2011 10:32:46 PM PST by bigbob (.)
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To: unseen1

I read your take away and understood it perfectly.

My point to you is not to care what the CNN conservative is thinking and look at what people are thinking in states that matter. Sarah is very competitive in polling. We will take the reigns and get her moving through the primaries and let George Will and Erickson catch up when they clue in. Ericksons cute hedging at the end of his piece offended me personally.

I don’t know if you remember Reagan running in ‘76 and ‘80 but there was absolutely no following for him early on except for grass roots activists. There is a Tea Party dieing for her to run. We start from there.


12 posted on 01/03/2011 10:35:44 PM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: 4rcane

I want her to run because she is courageous. She has heart. She has nerve. As good Queen Bess put it: she has the stomach of a king.


13 posted on 01/03/2011 10:37:00 PM PST by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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To: redangus

Your comment makes no sense. either you believe in Reaganism or you don’t. Gov Palin is the only Reaganite in the race. Failure to support the Reaganite in the race means you would rather support the bushie.


14 posted on 01/03/2011 10:37:27 PM PST by unseen1
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To: Lazlo in PA

ok misunderstood you then. I can agree wth this statement.


15 posted on 01/03/2011 10:40:52 PM PST by unseen1
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To: unseen1
She is a Reaganite. Reagan was not a hard right extreme candidate. He simply believed in federalism, 10th amendment, freedom, pro-life, less government, pro-america. If you take most of Reagan's positions they match up with Palin’s positions to a T. the only one where Palin is more to the right than Reagan is on immigration.

Good assessment. The only criticism I have of Sarah is, she needs to take voice lessons. IMOHO

16 posted on 01/03/2011 10:42:04 PM PST by Cobra64
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To: unseen1
Well put. Those who drool about the end of the Reagan era are the same ones who bash Palin. No coincidence. They're not all liberal media weenies either, some freeper posers are doing the same thing.
17 posted on 01/03/2011 10:46:22 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: 4rcane
Saw Hugh speak at a Republican Dinner a few weeks ago. He dissed Palin using the same “Media hates her” garbage and he insinuated she was damaged goods as a Candidate, although he did mention how great she would be fund raising for the Republicans. What a wuss.

He is someone I wouldn't want on my side when the going gets tough. I was really pissed off after his BS Speech.

18 posted on 01/03/2011 10:49:54 PM PST by Kickass Conservative (Happy New Year!)
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To: redangus
As always the anti-Palin bot heaves up a content free screed, never offering one single reason why "most of my neighbors" (Watch out Pauline Kael) won't vote for her. They are not "comfortable." They are not conservative either. You need to move to a better neighborhood. And stop stealing soundbites from George Will.
19 posted on 01/03/2011 10:52:44 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Cobra64

Listen to her on the audio book of america by heart. you will change your mind.


20 posted on 01/03/2011 10:53:32 PM PST by unseen1
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To: Kickass Conservative

If the GOp thinks to use Gov Palin as a cheap whore to sell their “candidate” of choice I have news for them. I donate to Gov Palin because I want her to run for POTUS and I want our country to return to Reaganism. The day she decides not to run I stop donating. Either she runs or the money dries up IMO.

The GOP establishment thinks they can have all the bonuses of Gov Palin without giving her a major seat at the table. they are wrong.


21 posted on 01/03/2011 10:57:57 PM PST by unseen1
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To: unseen1

I don’t understand why mainstream GOP pundits are pushing Mitch Daniels as somehow extremely electable. I have no idea, really, who he is, and I haven’t heard a peep from him on any issues.


22 posted on 01/03/2011 11:06:23 PM PST by GoodDay (Palin for POTUS 2012)
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To: bigbob
Oh i think President Palin would compromise. Much like Reagan compromised. she will give up on some of the little things to move her conservative policy forward. unlike say the RINOs who compromise on their core beliefs to appease the media. Palin would compromise on little stuff to advance her core beliefs.

compromise in and of itself is not bad. compromise is only seen as bad in today's world because the RINOs have proven to be terrible horse traders...

23 posted on 01/03/2011 11:10:20 PM PST by unseen1
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To: GoodDay

because danials is a bushie and not a Reaganite. the mainstream GOP pundits are all bushies except for Rush and at times Hannity. It is no coincidence that Rush supports Palin 110% as the only Reaganite radio host left.


24 posted on 01/03/2011 11:12:22 PM PST by unseen1
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To: Cobra64

I’m also a Palin fan who has trouble with her voice. I believe she’s plenty smart and quick witted. She needs coaching just like a singer preparing for a tour. If anyone has access to Sarah please tell her to hire a voice coach.

Firstly: she’s blowing out her vocal chords yelling at that cheerleader level, which also is unmusical in that it it becomes a one note horn for volume. Like any good speaker/singer she must insist on good monitors and PA system so that she’s not ruining her voice trying to overcome equipment shortcomings. She (and everyone) sounds better, more relaxed and more intelligent when speaking at conversational volume. Notice how she sounds more intelligent in quiet interviews than on the campaign stops?

Please Sarah, DON’T YELL to crowds any longer. It’s an amateur’s mistake. Tell the venue to have adequate main drivers and monitors, along with good microphones. Practice with proximity effect (close the space between mouth and mic to test the system) have a trusted sound man in the audience signaling you.

You never saw Reagan yelling, he took the important moments to learn his gear first, then he drew the listeners in. Believe me, this will be a BIG improvement for Sarah, and it’s just common sense.


25 posted on 01/03/2011 11:13:32 PM PST by moodyskeptic (Cultural warrior with a keyboard)
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To: Lazlo in PA

The idea that Pence, a decent conservative but just a congressman with no executive experience and little charisma, is more ‘electable’ is laughable. I do wonder why certain bloggers have developed the following they have.


26 posted on 01/03/2011 11:15:45 PM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: moodyskeptic
Please Sarah, DON’T YELL to crowds any longer. It’s an amateur’s mistake. Tell the venue to have adequate main drivers and monitors, along with good microphones. Practice with proximity effect (close the space between mouth and mic to test the system) have a trusted sound man in the audience signaling you.

You never saw Reagan yelling, he took the important moments to learn his gear first, then he drew the listeners in. Believe me, this will be a BIG improvement for Sarah, and it’s just common sense.

I'm with you on this. Delivery of the message is very important. Reagan sounded calm, assured, and in control, because he did not yet. He did not have to yell.

27 posted on 01/03/2011 11:17:29 PM PST by thecodont
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To: 9YearLurker

“I do wonder why certain bloggers have developed the following they have.”

For the same reason that Foxnews gets the ratings it gets. when you are in a desert all water tastes good.

there is a shortage of conservative bloggers, conservative cablenews, conservative MSM etc. So all conservative media gets a good following.

As the rightsphere blogging world comes online People like Allah and eric will be sidelined IMO.


28 posted on 01/03/2011 11:20:01 PM PST by unseen1
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To: thecodont
I love Reaganism whether it is delivered in a easy manner or yelled at from the top of a roof. Reaganism goes beyond the delivery method...
29 posted on 01/03/2011 11:22:00 PM PST by unseen1
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To: moodyskeptic
I agree. Sarah's political twin, Michele Bachmann has a very nice conversational voice and is a pleasure to listen to. No yelling and sudden squeaks. Anyway, there's nothing wrong with Sarah getting a voice coach.

My wife has been taking professional singing lessons most of her life, and she's quite good at harmonizing with opera singers as well as occasionally spoofing actresses.

Even though we love Sarah, wifey will do a Sarah immitation when she's speaking on Hannity. It's pretty funny actually.

30 posted on 01/03/2011 11:27:14 PM PST by Cobra64
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To: unseen1
Listen to her on the audio book of america by heart. you will change your mind.

I'm sure you're right. Will all of her campaign speeches and rallies be recorded on audio books?

31 posted on 01/03/2011 11:30:30 PM PST by Cobra64
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To: unseen1

I’m actually afraid that your title is true. 2012 not looking so good, despite what Obumbler has done to the nation.


32 posted on 01/04/2011 12:00:37 AM PST by dixjea
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To: redangus

let them sit on their asses then. I am willing on taking a bet that if it comes down to Sarah Palin vs Obama.. more of them than not will eventually come into line with OUR position and vote for her.

because we are sure as hell are not following their lead. their lead got us John McCain.


33 posted on 01/04/2011 12:24:31 AM PST by se_ohio_young_conservative (Palin or 3rd party... no exceptions !)
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To: unseen1
In a Crisis Era, mushy moderates on either side do not win elections.

Look at all the success Republicans had running progressive liberal Republicans against FDR in 1932, 1936, 1940, and 1944.

Not a single one of these people could articulate a Constitutional conservative vision for the USA, and none of them even tried. All four of them were slightly less communist than FDR, and differed only on the pro-business angle (exactly like the RINOs of today).

And they all lost to the second worst communist president the USA ever had.


1932 Election

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_Hoover

Hoover was a professional mining engineer and author. As the United States Secretary of Commerce in the 1920s under Presidents Warren G. Harding and Calvin Coolidge, he promoted government intervention under the rubric "economic modernization". In the presidential election of 1928, Hoover easily won the Republican nomination, despite having no previous elected office experience. To date, Hoover is the last cabinet secretary to be directly elected President of the United States, as well as one of only two Presidents (along with William Howard Taft) to have been elected President without electoral experience or high military rank. America was prosperous and optimistic at the time, leading to a landslide victory for Hoover over Democrat Al Smith.

Hoover, a trained engineer, deeply believed in the Efficiency Movement, which held that government and the economy were riddled with inefficiency and waste, and could be improved by experts who could identify the problems and solve them. When the Wall Street Crash of 1929 struck less than eight months after he took office, Hoover tried to combat the ensuing Great Depression with volunteer efforts, none of which produced economic recovery during his term. The consensus among historians is that Hoover's defeat in the 1932 election was caused primarily by failure to end the downward economic spiral. As a result of these factors, Hoover is ranked poorly among former US Presidents.


1936 Election

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alf_Landon

Alfred "Alf" Mossman Landon - supported Theodore Roosevelt's Progressive Party in 1912, and, in 1922, was private secretary to the governor of Kansas. He later became known as the leader of the liberal Republicans in the state. He was elected chairman of the Republican state central committee in 1928 and directed the Republican successful presidential and gubernatorial campaigns in Kansas in that year.

Landon was elected Governor of Kansas in 1932. He was re-elected governor in 1934 – the only Republican governor in the nation to be re-elected that year. He served as governor from 1933 until 1937. As Governor, Landon gained a reputation for reducing taxes and balancing the budget. Landon is often described as a fiscal conservative who nevertheless believed that government must also address social issues. He supported parts of the New Deal but opposed labor unions.


1940 Election

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wendell_Willkie

Wendell Lewis Willkie ran against FDR in 1940 - a corporate lawyer and dark horse Republican Party nominee for the 1940 presidential election. A member of the liberal wing of the GOP, he crusaded against those domestic policies of the New Deal which he thought were inefficient and anti-business. Willkie, however, waffled on the bitterly debated issue of intervention in or isolation from World War II. His opponent Franklin D. Roosevelt won that election, with 55% of the popular vote and 85% of the electoral vote.


1944 Election

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_E._Dewey

Thomas Edmund Dewey ran against FDR in 1944 - led the liberal faction of the Republican Party, in which he fought conservative Ohio Senator Robert A. Taft. Dewey advocated for the professional and business community of the Northeastern United States, which would later be called the "Eastern Establishment." This organization accepted the majority of New Deal social-welfare reforms enacted during the administration of President Franklin D. Roosevelt. It consisted of internationalists who were in favor of the United Nations and the "Cold War" fought against communism and the Soviet Union.



34 posted on 01/04/2011 12:30:36 AM PST by meadsjn (Sarah 2012, or sooner)
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To: unseen1

I agree we have a bunch of foppish pundits like AP and Erickson and I found that Redstate and Hotair have become more pop culturistic aka stoopid....I also rarely can stand the Fox fair & balanced piss fest, the cry baby Shep, bloviator O’R, etc....there is a large opening for the true conservative voice that needs filling.


35 posted on 01/04/2011 1:18:12 AM PST by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: unseen1
The day she decides not to run I stop donating.

I have money ready for her campaign if she decides to run. If she decides not to run, the money stays where it is. She is the only one now on the scene I would vote for.

36 posted on 01/04/2011 1:47:31 AM PST by tommix2
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To: RobbyS
I want her to run because she is courageous. She has heart. She has nerve. As good Queen Bess put it: she has the stomach of a king.

She is trustwworthy and can not be bought.

37 posted on 01/04/2011 1:51:58 AM PST by tommix2
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To: moodyskeptic
Firstly: she’s blowing out her vocal chords yelling at that cheerleader level,Yes I worry about her voice giving out too. I remember Wendell Wilkie's voice got very hoarse at the end of his campaign. We didn't have sound amplifiers in those days.

Sarah, Tell the venue to have adequate main drivers and monitors, along with good microphones.

38 posted on 01/04/2011 2:01:58 AM PST by tommix2
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To: RobbyS

I like that. I am mostly a Libertarian myself. The hatred of her by the Left is a good indicator she might make for a good President.


39 posted on 01/04/2011 2:32:18 AM PST by screaminsunshine (Beware the Big Government Media Complex)
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To: moodyskeptic

Great post. I had the exact same thoughts about Alan Keyes. I love the content of his speeches (they are very good to read) but cannot listen to him speak for more than a couple of minutes.

I hope that someone around Sarah takes your good advice to heart.


40 posted on 01/04/2011 3:34:21 AM PST by don-o (Wait. What?)
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To: unseen1
Some argue that her initial interviews with Katie Couric left a bad first impression. Let’s be clear here – Governor Palin was thrown on to the national stage and she didn’t even have time to take her coat off before her motherhood, faithfulness, record, and entire life had already been questioned. So yes, Governor Palin didn’t have the best start and with only eight weeks, she never really had a chance to settle in. Barack Obama himself admitted that it took him three months to settle into the campaign.

Not to mention being stabbed in the back by some on McCain's campaign.

Is that you, Nicole?

41 posted on 01/04/2011 3:43:08 AM PST by sauropod (The truth shall make you free but first it will make you miserable.)
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To: GoodDay

I know who he is. He used to be in Bush’s Cabinet.

He would need to be marketed. Heavily.


42 posted on 01/04/2011 3:47:00 AM PST by sauropod (The truth shall make you free but first it will make you miserable.)
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To: unseen1

...............you forgot that “they”, in addition to mouthing non-stop for three years now every smear, insult and lie in the universe, posted a spy, er author!, right next door to her in an attempt to “author” more lies and personal dirt.......................

make no mistake, “they” hate her for the big five: she’s pro life, not pro gay, christian, staunchly conservative and attractive............

to the republican establishent, that’s a loser........and they will do everything they can conceive to defeat her!


43 posted on 01/04/2011 4:27:02 AM PST by Cen-Tejas
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To: unseen1

The attacks on Gov.Palin since just before Election 2008
have been from ROMNEYBOTS under the command of their
Master, the despicable, backstabbing, carpetbagger
and most famous, Mexican-candidate for US President,
Mitt “Oh yes I did walk with MLK” Romney.

Romney has no shame.
And the GOP has no brains.


44 posted on 01/04/2011 4:52:46 AM PST by Diogenesis (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: redangus
redangus wrote: "...I don’t think they are in the no mood to vote for the lesser of two evils. They will sit out the presidential election if they are not happy with the candidates they have to choose from..."

If that is so, then your neighbors are no better than the liberal-parasites who sit around with their hand held out waiting for Uncle Sugar to give them their "gift" - however they personally define it. They can't see beyond themselves.

Vote however you like in the primary, but in the general, you should vote your party's candidate. But to "sit out" the election because your chosen candidate didn't make it on the ticket is just proof of self-centered immaturity, lack of integrity, character deficiency and general intellectual dishonesty. I have no use for folks with those defects.

Hate to be harsh about it, but that's my opinion. Opinions may vary.
45 posted on 01/04/2011 5:48:34 AM PST by jaydee770
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To: unseen1

If I support Mike Pence, I’m a Bushie instead of a Reaganite, even though one could argue that Pence is more conservative than Palin or Reagan.


46 posted on 01/04/2011 10:15:04 AM PST by conservativebuckeye
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To: unseen1

Could be. Could be.
Between, fraud, illegal aliens, and generally stupid voters, it could be that we’ve become Greece; no-one who tries to cut spending will electable.


47 posted on 01/04/2011 10:17:32 AM PST by Little Ray (The Gods of the Copybook Heading, with terror and slaughter return!)
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To: Little Ray
Maybe. but America is different then the rest of the world. In the rest of the world when the government cuts spending the welfare queens riot. In America when the government raises taxes the avg hardworking citizens take to the street. America is the only country where the payers out number the takers and are not afraid to yell it in the streets...
48 posted on 01/04/2011 11:19:55 AM PST by unseen1
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To: jaydee770

Obviously you have not read the many posts on here from the Palin supports who say the same thing. If Sarah isn’t the nominee then they won’t vote. This is how we got Princess Pelosi as Speaker in 2006, we had to teach the Republicans a lesson I believe was the mantra. Look what it got us. I have made you argument many times and it has always fallen on deaf ears here. I held my nose the last time and voted for McCain, and if Sarah is the nominee I will vote for her without the nose holding I might add. But you can not ignore the fact that for whatever reason there is a large part of the Republican party and natural republican base that do not share the love for Sarah that is so prevalent on this site.


49 posted on 01/05/2011 9:25:48 AM PST by redangus
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