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Rep. Grijalva: After Giffords Shooting, Tea Party and Palin Better Watch It
Mother Jones ^ | January 8, 2011 | Suzy Khimm

Posted on 01/08/2011 7:32:13 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

the wake of the attempted assassination of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-Ariz.) and the shooting of more than 20 others in Tucson today, fellow Arizona Democrat Rep. Raul Grijalva denounced a political environment poisoned by "anger, hatred, and division." In a phone interview with Mother Jones, Grijalva called the assault "horrible and unbelievable and shocking….It's hard to explain and really difficult to comprehend." Grijalva—who was also the recent target of violent threats—went on to blame the polarized political climate for creating an atmosphere that fueled violence:

We never entered [politics] believing that we were taking our lives in our hands...we're feeding anger, hatred, and division for quite a while. Maybe it is time for elected officials and leaders in this country that have been feeding that disease to realize that there are consequences to it. I hope people stop and think that we can be opponents, but we don't have to be deadly enemies…to demonize another person because of a disagreement and to make them expendible is not a democracy, it's not the America I know.

Asked whether the tea party right deserved to be singled out for particular blame, Grijalva assented:

[When] you stoke these flames, and you go to public meetings and you scream at the elected officials, you threaten them—you make us expendable you make us part of the cannon fodder. For a while, you've been feeding this hatred, this division…you feed it, you encourage it….Something's going to happen. People are feeding this monster….Some of the extreme right wing has made demonization of elected officials their priority.

A number of prominent left-wing blogs, including Daily Kos and FireDogLake, also blamed Sarah Palin for fanning the flames by placing Giffords—along with other vulnerable Democratic members of Congress—literally in the crosshairs on a map during the midterm elections. Grijalva said that the Palin "apparatus" shares responsibility for creating a climate of extremism. "Both Gabby and I were targeted in the apparatus in that cycle [saying] these people are 'enemies.'" He concluded: "The Palin express better look at their tone and their tenor."


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KEYWORDS: arizona; civilwar; congress; cw2; dailykos; democrats; freepressforpalin; giffords; kos; nutroots; obama; palin; raulgrijalva; reichstagfire; sarahpalin; threats
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Don't start a civil war unless you can finish it. You're playing with fire, Raul.
1 posted on 01/08/2011 7:32:25 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Sounds like a La Raza fatboy threat to me. The TEA Party in Tucson and Sarah Palin need to file charges against the La Raza fatboy first thing in the morning.


2 posted on 01/08/2011 7:34:52 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Repealing ObamaCare is the next "Big ****ing Deal"! Let's Roll!!!!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Hmmm, saying “You better watch it” sounds like a threat to me doesn’t it


3 posted on 01/08/2011 7:35:50 PM PST by Sarah Barracuda
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
fellow Arizona Democrat Rep. Raul Grijalva denounced a political environment poisoned by "anger, hatred, and division."

Yep. From the left!!

4 posted on 01/08/2011 7:36:38 PM PST by GeronL (How DARE you have an opinion!!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I have never seen anyone the victim of more hate and vitriol than has been directed at Sarah Palin and her Daughter. Well except Dan Quayle.

The fact that the media get to control this type of propaganda is an extremely important tool for them.


5 posted on 01/08/2011 7:37:53 PM PST by yarddog
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Violence is the continuing poison of the left. Every act of political violence this past year has emanated directly from liberal vitriol. Every perpetrator has been inflamed by malice and hatred from the left. It is time to end the madness.


6 posted on 01/08/2011 7:38:27 PM PST by Louis Foxwell (For love of Sarah, our country and the American Way of Life.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

DNC talking points are out....EVERY Dem on TV and journalists are saying the same exact thing.

Commie propaganda at its best, and we have ZERO people out there pushing back.

Heck, we don’t even have FR working!


7 posted on 01/08/2011 7:38:55 PM PST by roses of sharon (I can do all things through Him who strengthens me. Philippians 4:13)
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To: GeronL

Shut down free speech because it might incite lunatics on the left???

Sheesh..I wonder what Giffords will think about that since she is the one that Read the First Amendment.


8 posted on 01/08/2011 7:40:01 PM PST by RummyChick
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
People are feeding this monster….Some of the extreme right wing has made demonization of elected officials their priority.

Who started the fire? Who called Bush every name in the book and wanted him dead?

These people are deranged.

9 posted on 01/08/2011 7:40:21 PM PST by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Mother Jones the complete Commie wacko website.


10 posted on 01/08/2011 7:40:46 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Try to silence me you piece of crap, anti-american scum. I will never shut up. You cannot intimidate me. I will never stop denouncing you pieces of excrement, La Raza socialists and communists.
11 posted on 01/08/2011 7:41:24 PM PST by rep-always
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Sounds like fighting words to me.

They certainly like lecturing people, don’t they?!

They don’t mind slinging mud and blaming others. This will backfire on them like always. Remember the Wellstone funeral?


12 posted on 01/08/2011 7:41:24 PM PST by kcvl
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

>> Don’t start a civil war unless you can finish it. You’re playing with fire, Raul.

Members of the Left kill innocent Democrats, and Democrat reactionaries blame the Right???

It cannot get any more bizarre.


13 posted on 01/08/2011 7:41:29 PM PST by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been redistributed. Here's your Change.)
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To: GeronL

“fellow Arizona Democrat Rep. Raul Grijalva denounced a political environment poisoned by “anger, hatred, and division.”
Yep. From the left!!”

The shooter stated on one of his internet postings he was an atheist his fav youtube vid was a burning of the American Flag, a girl who knew him said he was a liberal and on youtube he had a rant going on about how he was a ‘dreamer’. My husband pointed out another of the lefts fav ‘creed’ or ‘anthem’

“You might say I’m a dreamer...but I’m not the only one...”

(John Lennon’s, Imagine) and I’m certainly not saying Lennon was responsible for inciting violence with his words, but I am saying that song is a favorite of the LEFT, not the right.


14 posted on 01/08/2011 7:42:01 PM PST by Beowulf9
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

sound like a threat for a tit for tat


15 posted on 01/08/2011 7:42:01 PM PST by 4rcane
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To: GeronL

I’ve never seen conservatives act like psychopaths at any rally.

I only watch liberal rallies on TV.

Ain’t no way I’m going near those violent maniacs in person.


16 posted on 01/08/2011 7:42:19 PM PST by Salamander (Cursed with Second Sight)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

WHere’s a picture of the lunatic leftie burning a flag? We need to find it and start an enail blitz that goes around the world by tomorrow. Otherwise the rats are going to have a heyday with this.


17 posted on 01/08/2011 7:42:28 PM PST by EnquiringMind
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I haven’t any news about the shooter, but you can bet, if it were a white guy, the media would have announcing that every 30 seconds. I can only hope it was an illegal Mexican or a middle eastern camel rider. Has anyone heard the description of the shooter?


18 posted on 01/08/2011 7:43:11 PM PST by Nitehawk0325 (I have the right to remain silent, but I lack the ability...........)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Shooter shared Daily Kos’s sentiments not ours.


19 posted on 01/08/2011 7:43:11 PM PST by NoLibZone (Homosexuals oppose diversity.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

WHere’s a picture of the little lunatic leftie burning a flag? We need to find it and start an email blitz that goes around the world by tomorrow. Otherwise the rats are going to have a heyday with this.


20 posted on 01/08/2011 7:43:26 PM PST by EnquiringMind
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This guy is too blinded by his own ideology to understand that he is the problem.


21 posted on 01/08/2011 7:43:52 PM PST by EternalVigilance (How strangely will the Tools of a Tyrant pervert the plain Meaning of Words! -- Samuel Adams)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I don’t recall them ever being described as “enemies”. I think Grijalva must be thinking of President Obama, who actually called on hispanics to punish their “enemies” and get revenge on them for opposing amnesty efforts. Has Grijalva(or any Dem or anyone in the media)said anything about Obama’s use of the word enemies, about Obama calling on hispanics to go after white people? Didn’t think so.

The word target has been a commonly accepted political terms for quite some time. As in “The Dems are targeting these seats”, “Sen X is a top target of party Y”, etc... Both parties use it, the media uses it.

There was no violence and Gov Palin never incited anyone to violence. Nor did the Tea Party. Everyone understood what context was being used.

Unfortunately some mental nutcase did something bad because of his own issues. That happens. He also shot 15 others or so. That tells you the guy is seriously ill. If this was truly politically motivated, he wouldn’t have gone after all the others. He just would have emptied the magazine on her(he was in point blank range, no reason not to). Political assassins don’t go after 15 other random people, they focus on their target.

Sounds like this guy may have schizophrenic issues.

Also, there was a post saying this guy had issues with her going back to 2007. The Tea Party or the GOP had nothing to do with this.


22 posted on 01/08/2011 7:43:52 PM PST by jeltz25
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To: 4rcane

Fat Raul, La RAZA Raul better get back on his Meds!


23 posted on 01/08/2011 7:44:37 PM PST by WellyP
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’ve read about a hundred posts on different websites concerning who was responsible for this shooting. None blamed the shooter.


24 posted on 01/08/2011 7:44:54 PM PST by logitech
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The left seems to think they have their Reichstag fire. They've been praying (scratch that, they don't pray, say “drooling” instead) for something like this for the past 18 months. Too bad the shooter is psycho nihilist.
25 posted on 01/08/2011 7:45:07 PM PST by Martin Tell (ask for the ancient paths, ask where the good way is, and walk in it)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The left seems to think they have their Reichstag fire. They've been praying (scratch that, they don't pray, say “drooling” instead) for something like this for the past 18 months. Too bad the shooter is psycho nihilist.
26 posted on 01/08/2011 7:45:13 PM PST by Martin Tell (ask for the ancient paths, ask where the good way is, and walk in it)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

They should call the FBI to investigate this United States Representative who is threatening American citizens.


27 posted on 01/08/2011 7:45:31 PM PST by tiki
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Some of the extreme right wing has made demonization of elected officials their priority.

These people want to talk demonization?? This is rich. How about Reagan?? GW Bush?? Sarah Palin??

The talking point are out and gathering steam. And the republicans can't figure out how to respond. The democrats have already organized a conference call for tomorrow. Do we have NO political operatives that can work for our side?? Aarg!

28 posted on 01/08/2011 7:45:58 PM PST by prairiebreeze (The Professional Left: Using Your Dollars to Promote Their Agenda Since the 1930's.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
2ndDivisionVet said: "Don't start a civil war unless you can finish it. You're playing with fire, Raul.

Hitler's National SOCIALISTS (NAZIS) blamed the Reichstag Fire on a communist and used the "anarchy" as an excuse to eliminate their opposition and consolidate their power.

Our nation's socialists seem to be quite prepared to demonize the right whenever any outrage occurs. It's critical that we keep our communication networks running and stay prepared to expose the truth.

29 posted on 01/08/2011 7:46:04 PM PST by William Tell
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

We better watch it... or what?

My inclination is to say bring it, but...some thoughts.

Gabby was/is my Congresswoman. I’ve been to two of her “townhalls”, meeting and talked to her at one of them - in a Safeway, in fact.

She is not the saint they are painting her, she is Pelosi’s lapdog, no matter that she voted against her. I’d look and see how late in the process she voted - was it after she was sure that Pelosi was going to be Minority Leader? Gabby almost lost this election, you can bet (if she continues in Congress) that she’ll vote against anything that she knows is going to go to the Libs as a matter of political cover and being able to point to her voting record next time she runs.

The Safeway “townhall” we went to allowed 2 hours to “talk to the Congresswoman”. The crowd was HEAVILY interspersed with SEIU members wearing T-shirts. I’ll bet she only talked to about 15 others in that 2 hours.

She was rude to me, I didn’t like her, I didn’t vote for her.

All that being said, she didn’t deserve this. We are praying for her recovery and to give her family strength. We are praying for the cruelly lost souls and their families. We are praying for America.


30 posted on 01/08/2011 7:46:18 PM PST by FrogMom (No such thing as an honest democrat!)
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To: Martin Tell

Sorry. First double post I’ve done in quite some time. Is it just me or is FR mighty slow tonight?


31 posted on 01/08/2011 7:47:01 PM PST by Martin Tell (ask for the ancient paths, ask where the good way is, and walk in it)
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To: Nitehawk0325

Huh? The shooter is white...


32 posted on 01/08/2011 7:47:52 PM PST by prairiebreeze (The Professional Left: Using Your Dollars to Promote Their Agenda Since the 1930's.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

What an ass...that threat by him is how the left operates and its pretty clear, so far, that this nut case is a deranges scum who leaned which way people????? LEFT.


33 posted on 01/08/2011 7:47:52 PM PST by ICE-FLYER (God bless and keep the United States of America)
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To: RummyChick

Wasnt it Bammy who was quoted about taking a gun to a fight with his enemies?


34 posted on 01/08/2011 7:48:32 PM PST by himno hero
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To: RummyChick

Wasnt it Bammy who was quoted about taking a gun to a fight with his enemies?


35 posted on 01/08/2011 7:48:43 PM PST by himno hero
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Arizona Democrat Rep. Raul Grijalva denounced a political environment poisoned by "anger, hatred, and division."

Anger, hatred, and division tend to arise when people in authority intentionally incite it.

0bama the "Uniter" ...

Obama To Supporters: "Argue With Friend and Neighbors Get In Their Face!" video

Obama Mocks Fox, "Teabaggers" video

Obama Mocks Republican 'Armageddon' Rhetoric (Again) video

Obama: Police Acted 'stupidly' in Scholar Arrest video

Obama On GOP Running On Repeal: 'Go For It' video

NRA: Barack Obama - "bitter gun owners" video

President Obama, No One in Arizona is Laughing video

Obama, during his private pep talk to Democrats, ... asked, “Does anybody think that the teabag, anti-government people are going to support them if they bring down health care? All it will do is confuse and dispirit” Democratic voters “and it will encourage the extremists.” - Nov. 7, 2009

Obama Attacks Americans – Says Those Who Support AZ Law Are “Anti-Immigrant” (video)

Obama uses knife/gun fight quote to fight the GOP - "If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun, because from what I understand, folks in Philly like a good brawl." (video)

Obama Tells GOP "Get In Back" (video)

OBAMA TO LATINOS: 'PUNISH OUR ENEMIES' (Youtube audio-vid)

A President who mocks and taunts Americans, who incites his followers to be confrontational, is troublesome.

36 posted on 01/08/2011 7:48:57 PM PST by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/28/08 and why?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It occurs to me that it would be really cool to have a mock trial sort of thing, with evidence presented by both sides of which side created a greater climate of extremism and spewed more vitriol. I know where my money would be.


37 posted on 01/08/2011 7:50:36 PM PST by brytlea
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Rep. Raul Grijalva is a pedophile...(or so I’ve heard)


38 posted on 01/08/2011 7:52:07 PM PST by Drango (NO-vember is payback for April 15th)
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To: himno hero
Wasnt it Bammy who was quoted about taking a gun to a fight with his enemies?

I do not know about that but he certainly said "to get in their face"

39 posted on 01/08/2011 7:52:56 PM PST by Irish Eyes
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And I think it’s the AP report about it that says it’s not clear whether he did the shooting because of healthcare or because of his own issues, which he talked about in his videos online.

They never even said what some of his “issues” were. Anybody looking at what he had on his sites knows he wasn’t mad about healthcare reform. The reporting on that was journalistic malpractice, since it referenced Loughner’s videos and thus knew what “issues” he had.

It would be sort of like saying, “It was unclear whether Hitler killed Jews in self-defense or whether there were other issues.” Anybody who knew enough to be writing an article would know darn good and well that there were other “issues” that were behind his murder of Jews. You’d have to be an idiot to not know that.

The AP knew full well Loughner wasn’t protesting Giffords’ healthcare stance. They’re just in full-blown deception mode. It makes me sick, and I hope it backfires big-time by making everybody else sick too. Confiscate his computer; find out what sites he’s been looking at. Then feed these liberal liars some of their own medicine.


40 posted on 01/08/2011 7:54:15 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Didn’t I read that Frances Fox Piven (of Cloward/Piven “fame”) called for violence or civil disobedience, lately? I was under the impression that as a reaction to the dilution of her marxist dream (via the election of 2010), that “violence” was their only “voice” to garner attention.

Perhaps Frances Fox Piven should be visited by the secret service for the possible incitement of violence towards our representatives in government.

If the media can infer over the airwaves that Palin is to be blamed for the violence, then Frances Fox Piven should, at the very LEAST, be interviewed, as a possible motivation towards violence with her incendiary comments.


41 posted on 01/08/2011 7:54:26 PM PST by Mortrey (Impeach President Soros)
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To: himno hero

Yep. See Zippy’s words on this link:

http://hillbuzz.org/2011/01/08/words-matter/


42 posted on 01/08/2011 7:54:41 PM PST by bergmeid
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To: yarddog

The vitriol directed towards Governor Sarah Palin passed that aimed at Vice President Quayle, President Reagan, President Nixon and President Bush in 2009. It’s at a level that’s 10X all those by now. There’s never been anything like it in history that I’m aware of. That tells me that she is RIGHT OVER THE TARGET!!!


43 posted on 01/08/2011 7:55:07 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Please donate to FreeRepublic, sanity in a world gone mad!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I believe it was the liberal progressives who burned down Sarah Palin’s church right after the 2008 election with people inside the church. Fortunately everyone got out but the Alaskan liberal Progressive Democrat Bastards burned the church down by pouring flamable liquid at all the exits of the church. How Vitriol is that!????


44 posted on 01/08/2011 7:55:41 PM PST by classified
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Threats have a way of backfiring BIG TIME!
The shooter came from HIS SIDE.


45 posted on 01/08/2011 7:55:57 PM PST by onyx (PLEASE SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC BY DONATING NOW!)
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To: Louis Foxwell

The LIEberals have been advocating violence against conservatives for so long, it is no suprise that they would begin to turn on their own. DUmocrat attempts to paint this LIEberal loser as a "right-wing nut" right away also comes as no suprise. It is also expected that DUh-bama and his minions already are planning to use this incident as fuel to further their agenda and make yet another power grab.

46 posted on 01/08/2011 7:56:00 PM PST by RasterMaster (The only way to open a LIEberal mind is with a brick!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“The Palin express better look at their tone and their tenor.”


With these lefty loon’s proclivity to commit violence against their own, Grijalva better watch his back.


47 posted on 01/08/2011 7:56:43 PM PST by Hotlanta Mike (TeaNami)
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To: roses of sharon; Jim Robinson

I wonder if we’re under a DOS attack, again?


48 posted on 01/08/2011 7:56:47 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Please donate to FreeRepublic, sanity in a world gone mad!)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

NOT REALLY.

Well, NOT REALLY alone. The Sheriff of Pima County, wherever that is, spoke out against “talk radio hate speech”.

Ms. Giffords is a Democrat. Presumably the people in the crowd were also, and possibly this shooter is some kind of far right wing nutcase.

This is bad news for Second Amendment advocates and bad news for freedom of speech advocates.

You can be SURE we will anti-gun bills generated in Congress as a result of this, and we can be SURE we will see
an initiative to stifle opposition talk shows.

I’m sorry on a personal level for Ms. Giffords suffering and the deaths of 6 bystanders. But I am also sorry for the Conservative Movement as nutcake bastards like this shooter make us look bad and give people like Obama and his acolytes material to throw at us.

This is very bad. Very serious and one of the worst things that could POSSIBLY have happened to us after our resounding victory in November.

I hope that bastard shooter and anyone who may have helped him burn in hell - as soon as possible.


49 posted on 01/08/2011 7:57:09 PM PST by ZULU (No nation which tried to tolerate Islam escaped Islamization.)
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To: bergmeid

50 posted on 01/08/2011 7:57:09 PM PST by RummyChick
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