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No evidence that Sarah Palin or Glenn Beck influenced gunman Jared Loughner
Wire Update ^ | Joe Brooks

Posted on 01/08/2011 9:24:45 PM PST by JoeBrooks

(WIREUPDATE) — Despite the rhetoric found on Twitter and liberal websites there is absolutely no shred of evidence that Sarah Palin or Glenn Beck ever once influenced the gunman behind the mass shooting in Tuscon, Arizona. By all accounts Jared Loughner was an insane individual whose online ramblings do not reflect either the former Governor or the television host.

In the hours after the tragic shootings we have learned very little about the gunman. According to former friends he was considered ‘a loner’ who used recreational drugs and listened to music such as Jimi Hendrix and The Doors. He was able to legally obtain the gun that he would go on to use in the shooting of 19 individuals.

Liberal commentators such as Keith Olberman and DailyKos founder Markos Moulitsas were quick to give blame to Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck for Loughner’s actions despite hearing any evidence that would suggest Loughner was influenced by them.

Jared Loughner’s obsession with Arizona Congresswoman Gabriel Giffords wasn’t a recent occurrence. Long before Sarah Palin posted a Facebook image declaring Giffords as one of her political targets during the 2010 mid-term elections, Loughner told a high school friend that he spoke with the Congresswoman. He asked Giffords a question and determined she was “stupid and unintelligent.”

This meeting occurred a year before Sarah Palin was a household name, in 2007, and three years before the infamous ‘targets’ image was posted on Facebook.

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1 posted on 01/08/2011 9:24:50 PM PST by JoeBrooks
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To: JoeBrooks

who used recreational drugs and listened to music such as Jimi Hendrix and The Doors
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That can’t be correct. I thought he was only 22 years old.


2 posted on 01/08/2011 9:26:22 PM PST by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: JoeBrooks

From everything I’ve seen today, if Sarah or Glenn had been there today, he would have shot them. It’s a good thing that he never showed up at any Tucson Tea Party rallies. He could have really done some damage.


3 posted on 01/08/2011 9:27:13 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Repealing ObamaCare is the next "Big ****ing Deal"!)
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To: JoeBrooks

The notion is absurd.


4 posted on 01/08/2011 9:27:34 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: JoeBrooks

Great article!


5 posted on 01/08/2011 9:27:55 PM PST by rdl6989 (January 20, 2013- The end of an error.)
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To: JoeBrooks

Evidence? Since when has the left ever needed evidence?


6 posted on 01/08/2011 9:27:55 PM PST by Hoodat (Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us. - (Rom 8:37))
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Here’s the POS that started such talk.......

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/06/14/obama-if-they-bring-a-knife-to-the-fight-we-bring-a-gun/


7 posted on 01/08/2011 9:28:40 PM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: Hoodat

saw this on Hillbuzz
“This from the Hot Air comments section:

Congressman Paul Kanjorski, the Pennsylvania Democrat, on Gov.-Elect Rick Scott: “Shoot Him”

http://spectator.org/blog/2010/11/09/kanjorski-on-gov-elect-rick-sc

“That Scott down there that’s running for governor of Florida,” Mr. Kanjorski said. “Instead of running for governor of Florida, they ought to have him [sic] and shoot him. Put him against the wall and shoot him. He stole billions of dollars from the United States government and he’s running for governor of Florida. He’s a millionaire and a billionaire. He’s no hero. He’s a damn crook. It’s just we don’t prosecute big crooks.”


8 posted on 01/08/2011 9:28:47 PM PST by RummyChick
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To: JoeBrooks

We needed an article for this?


9 posted on 01/08/2011 9:28:48 PM PST by VanDeKoik (1 million in stimulus dollars paid for this tagline!)
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To: mamelukesabre

The pinkos don’t need no steenkin’ evidence when it comes to working up the energy to persecute and murder their opposition. I imagine they are going to see another funeral failure with this latest political corpse dance.


10 posted on 01/08/2011 9:29:19 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: JoeBrooks

And I believe his “myspace” said he is gay. What was the congresswoman’s stance on DADT? or Same sex marriage?


11 posted on 01/08/2011 9:30:04 PM PST by tuckrdout ( A fool vents all his feelings, but a wise man holds them back. Prov.29:11)
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To: JoeBrooks

Can someone explain what a left wing, flag burning, “America is a terrorist nation” believing, Bible hating, pot smoking, “America is involved in 2 illegal wars” believing, communist manifesto liking killer has to do with Palin or the tea party?

They tried this same thing with the IRS plane crash guy Joe Stack who turned out to be a 9-11 truther who hated capitalism, Bush, and the Church.


12 posted on 01/08/2011 9:30:50 PM PST by icwhatudo ("laws requiring compulsory abortion could be ustained under the constitution"-Obama official)
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To: JoeBrooks

Is the shooter in custody or did he get shot and killed?


13 posted on 01/08/2011 9:32:07 PM PST by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: Hoodat

This what scares me. Doesn’t matter that this guy is nuttier than a pecan roll - the Left and their buddies in the media are going to use this to try and discredit the Tea Party and conservatives.

Remember, truth means nothing in politics. Repetition is what matters.


14 posted on 01/08/2011 9:32:48 PM PST by Jaguarmike
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To: mamelukesabre
It didn't say he saw them live in Concert, just that he listened to their music. Or maybe he just watched Apocalypse Now Redux.

I really hope you were being sarcastic.

BTW - I on the other hand did see the Doors at the Hollywood Bowl, and I haven't shot anyone, yet...

Just a joke O’Reilly, just a joke.

15 posted on 01/08/2011 9:33:00 PM PST by Kickass Conservative (Happy New Year!)
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To: JoeBrooks

Since when does the left need “evidence?”

All they require is a sounding board.


16 posted on 01/08/2011 9:40:03 PM PST by DakotaRed (What happened to the country I fought for?)
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To: tuckrdout

That was an apparently fake Facebook page.


17 posted on 01/08/2011 9:42:21 PM PST by Royal Wulff
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To: JoeBrooks

Leftists don’t care about the truth. Leftists want political power forever, and they will do anything and everything, in order to make it happen.


18 posted on 01/08/2011 9:42:35 PM PST by johnthebaptistmoore (If leftist legislation that's already in place really can't be ended by non-leftists, then what?)
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To: JoeBrooks

The news-media’s dragging of Palin and Beck into this story (without a single iota of evidence) is about the most egregious line I’ve ever seen them cross. This is truly getting into Reichstag territory.


19 posted on 01/08/2011 9:42:55 PM PST by greene66
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To: JoeBrooks

But there is evidence the Communist Manifesto might have influence Loughner.


20 posted on 01/08/2011 9:43:50 PM PST by Ol' Sparky (Liberal Republicans are the greater of two evils)
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To: Royal Wulff

The facebook was fake, myspace and youtube were not.


21 posted on 01/08/2011 9:45:33 PM PST by JoeBrooks
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To: Jaguarmike

“Remember, truth means nothing in politics. Repetition is what matters.”

Absolutely correct. And Geraldo Rivera is doing exactly that tonite on Fox. Tying the Tea Party in with this AZ massacre. Repeating it over and over (he’s on for 2 hours tonite). Fox Cable News has been disgusting on this subject all day and all night. There is a Tea Party guy on Geraldo’s show tonite that is fighting back against him and his show’s innuendo’s of far right complicity. The Tea Party guy just got Geraldo back by saying the lefties are blaming Fox News as one of the causes behind this attack, and that got Geraldo up on his high horse as he works for Fox. First time he’s backed down a bit on accusing the righties as now his ox is being gored also as a member of Fox News. Hah.


22 posted on 01/08/2011 9:46:33 PM PST by flaglady47 (When the gov't fears the people, liberty; When the people fear the gov't, tyranny.)
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To: Royal Wulff

I didn’t say facebook.


23 posted on 01/08/2011 9:47:12 PM PST by tuckrdout ( A fool vents all his feelings, but a wise man holds them back. Prov.29:11)
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To: RummyChick

bookmark.


24 posted on 01/08/2011 9:55:18 PM PST by IrishCatholic (No local Communist or Socialist Party Chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing!)
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To: JoeBrooks

The big liars are always in action....Tim McVeigh and Terry Nichols had ties to Muslim terrorist cells in the Phillipines, McVeigh sided with Saddam Hussein in his diary...but the press turned him into a right-winger who listened to Rush Limbaugh.....meanwhile..

Clinton rolls tanks into Branch Davidian because of some never-found purported .52 caliber artillery gun......and Reno doesn’t even get fired over reading it as a “hostage situation”.....(it doesn’t matter who started it...you corner a cult for no reason and keep them from sleeping for 43 days of torture, then blame THEM for not thinking rationally).....

The big lie about the Elian Gonzales raid where machine guns and a search warrant were used, but nobody was arrested or broke the law.......

Now of course the counter-culture drop-out who likes everything decent society hates...ie Mein Kampf and Communist Manifesto...flag burning.......is already being tied to Sarah Palin, Glen Beck, and Fox News.....

That sherrif in Tucson should be FIRED for using the shooting to get on his political soapbox....no wonder we on the right HATE this type of political smear...because we always are the target of it and it is allowed to stand and work......

The press lies and smears and then blames us for what they call “hate”?????? What’s wrong with hating lies and smears and the press that spreads them instead of exposing them....

If this kid said he was a Republican who loves Palin on his web site, then fine....but he doesn’t come close to saying that.......

And a Sheriff is supposed to preach LAW and ORDER, not politics and complaining about political rhetoric from the other party.


25 posted on 01/08/2011 10:00:52 PM PST by Beowulf9
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To: JoeBrooks

I hear Jared did well is his liberal self-esteem classes, though......


26 posted on 01/08/2011 10:02:35 PM PST by Beowulf9
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To: Beowulf9

Bravo!


27 posted on 01/08/2011 10:04:25 PM PST by chasio649 (Paybacks are a Behar)
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To: All

The Westboro idiots are at it now. Here’s a link to a cached page:

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://www.godhatesfags.com/fliers/20110108_AZ-Shooter-Connecting-the-Dots.pdf


28 posted on 01/08/2011 10:07:38 PM PST by rdl6989 (January 20, 2013- The end of an error.)
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To: Beowulf9

They can cry all they want!

Hate or love speech is protected in the bill of rights!

WE conservatives had nothing to do with this, it was a left wing nut, but even if it was a right wing nut, they can’t take our free speech away! Hate speech and love speech is protected!

Another thing that is really getting sickening is the blacks don’t like being called the “N”WORD. Poor babies, grow up, there is nothing that anyone could call me to get me upset like they get! They are not second class citizens but they act like it, it’s time they grow up, they haven’t been slaves for 147 years!

Again if you let words people say bother you, you are slaves to your own minds,

“Sticks and Stones may break my bones, but Words can never hurt me”

We are not going to shut up about what we believe, Sheriff, whether, you like it or not, and the people who are going to do criminal acts from what anyone says, is the problem!

Public hanging would stop these shooters! Making reading the Bible mandatory in grades 1 through 12 would also help


29 posted on 01/08/2011 10:12:59 PM PST by factmart
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To: mamelukesabre

For all the generational bashing I do, as someone in my 20s, I have to admit the music was indeed better back in the day.


30 posted on 01/08/2011 10:18:18 PM PST by Eyes Unclouded ("The word bipartisan means some larger-than-usual deception is being carried out." -George Carlin)
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To: Jaguarmike

Based on everything presented so far....I’d say he was a four-star nut by age 18. Toss in the fact that he’s a major pothead and it’s pretty much loser-ville for this guy. As for any media attempt to label him sane or connected to Palin/Beck...it’s pretty much a joke. This guy will end up in a mental institute and I doubt he ever gets real jail time. That’s the sad part about this story...he can’t be judged because of nutty behavior.


31 posted on 01/08/2011 10:22:49 PM PST by pepsionice
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To: factmart

You sound like some kind of plant to me......what makes you bring up blacks and the N-word???? Maybe I’m wrong....but I save all my bad names for people like Keith Olberman and Paul Krugman......


32 posted on 01/08/2011 10:29:36 PM PST by Beowulf9
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To: JoeBrooks

Keith Olberman is despicable, exploiting the deaths of innocents (including a little girl) for his own gain. Words don’t describe...


33 posted on 01/08/2011 10:31:00 PM PST by Private_Sector_Does_It_Better (If you like the employees at the DMV, post office, SS office... you'll love government healthcare)
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To: Beowulf9

I was thinking the same thing.


34 posted on 01/08/2011 10:33:33 PM PST by Private_Sector_Does_It_Better (If you like the employees at the DMV, post office, SS office... you'll love government healthcare)
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To: Beowulf9
ya, been a plant here since 2000, met Jim, founder of FREErepublic in Bush 2001 FReeper Inaugural BaLL in Washington!

I'm tired of political correctness!

Words are just words!

Call me a plant!Big Deal! Get IT!

The left is try to tell us how to talk

35 posted on 01/08/2011 10:42:13 PM PST by factmart
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To: FlingWingFlyer
It’s a good thing that he never showed up at any Tucson Tea Party rallies. He could have really done some damage.

Maybe, maybe not. Not only did we have the full presence of the police state at our rallies, many of us came armed and prepared for leftist violence.

36 posted on 01/08/2011 10:44:51 PM PST by Borax Queen
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To: Borax Queen

Awesome. I should have thought that one out. Sissies like this guy normally don’t do their dirty deeds at a place where they might get their @$$ severely whipped.


37 posted on 01/08/2011 10:47:13 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Repealing ObamaCare is the next "Big ****ing Deal"!)
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To: Beowulf9

“And a Sheriff is supposed to preach LAW and ORDER, not politics and complaining about political rhetoric from the other party.”

No kidding - and when he talked about all the “vitriol, hatred and incendiary rhetoric” in the country and called Arizona the “mecca” of it, well, that was just so wrong on so many levels. He was probably aiming at Gov. Jan Brewer, but she continues to be dignified in the face of all the attacks made on her by the Left.


38 posted on 01/08/2011 10:51:24 PM PST by llandres
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To: FlingWingFlyer

:0)

Seriously, I felt so safe there... And at a lot of the protests against DeathCare, I would stand on a certain street corner where the cops parked there cars. Sometimes there were 4-8 cops behind us (and others in the crowds). They were bored to tears because we were so well-behaved!

Needless to say, that didn’t stop the leftist press and Giffords’ office from lying about us :(
She went on the local PBS show and said we were “inciting riots.” Her words.


39 posted on 01/08/2011 10:52:34 PM PST by Borax Queen
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To: Borax Queen

.....their cars....


40 posted on 01/08/2011 10:53:10 PM PST by Borax Queen
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To: factmart

sorry.....but name calling is not exactly form of debate and it didn’t seem on subject....it’s late..forgive me for what seemed to be an insult......but wasn’t that the point? Nobody likes to be insulted...especially when they did nothing to deserve it..such as being born with black skin.

Politcal correctness to me is about “colored people”, then “negroes”, then “afro-Americans” then “blacks” then African-Americans” then “people of color” and they call you the N-word if you use the wrong term for the present politcal correctness.....

If I call somebody “crippled” instead of “physically challenged”, or whatever is the term I’m supposed to use today.....then I’m gonna protest when somebody claims my words constitute some moral lapse......

but I don’t think I can defend the idea that it’s ok to call blacks the N-word and they shouldn’t take offense. Isn’t it MEANT to be offensive and insulting to call somebody a N-gger? You can call people whatever you like.....I don’t think I said you should be arrested...


41 posted on 01/08/2011 10:55:30 PM PST by Beowulf9
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To: Borax Queen

Sadly, it appears as though Americans are not supposed to speak up when they disagree with an out of control government. We’re supposed to just sit down and shut up.


42 posted on 01/08/2011 10:55:38 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Repealing ObamaCare is the next "Big ****ing Deal"!)
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To: JoeBrooks
The facebook was fake, myspace and youtube were not.

The original Facebook page was not fake. The subsequent Facebook pages (the ones with Sarah Palin's pictures, and the name spelled "Sara" was fake).

Here is the text of his original Facebook Profile, copied within one or two minutes of his name first appearing on Twitter, the first public release anywhere:


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Jared Loughner
Has worked at Child Protective Services
Studied at Pima Community College
Lives in Tucson, Arizona

Education and Work
Employers •
Child Protective Services
College •
Pima Community College
High School •
Mountain View High School
Class of 2006
Basic Information

About Jared
Love hunting trolls and children, I want to be a woman one day...

Most people just don't seem to understand me, but I'm gonna prove to you all how wrong you are...

My favorite interest was reading, and I studied grammar. Conscience dreams were a great study in college!

Fools who don't understand the law are bound to suffer under it!

Sex Male

Interested In Men

Jared only shares some profile information with everyone. If you know Jared, add him as a friend or send him a message.
Facebook © 2011 • English (US)

43 posted on 01/08/2011 10:57:53 PM PST by meadsjn (Sarah 2012, or sooner)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

We’re so not. It got worse and worse with the name-calling and everything from the Left -— all because we dared peacefully assemble to protest “healthcare.”

I was at probably 98% of the protests/tea parties (usually good times after work or on weekends), and 2 out of the 3 townhalls held about them. I would have left my baby, if I had one, with any of the conservative/libertarian folks. That’s how nice everyone was.

I heard that Linda Lopez, rep from another district, today on FOX. She was horrified by some of our 2010 campaign signs calling out the truth. Conservatives didn’t have the millions upon millions to buy the CD8 seat via lying commercials, so posted a lot of signs. Nothing mean, nothing dishonest. But “hate speech” to the Left.

Now, I don’t know anyone who’ll go back out with a sign. I sure won’t. And the Communists march on.


44 posted on 01/08/2011 11:01:32 PM PST by Borax Queen
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To: JoeBrooks

Any evidence the shooter was influenced by Francis Fox Piven or Ted Rall both calling for violent revolution?


45 posted on 01/08/2011 11:03:07 PM PST by suboptimal
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To: suboptimal

Kid probably influenced by Piven, but he probably wasn’t aware of it, or lucid enough to know he was being used by revolutionaries.


46 posted on 01/08/2011 11:08:52 PM PST by JoeBrooks
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To: Beowulf9
Hey, I don't call anyone the N WORD,

But the black, like the left, the sheriff, are telling us what words or thoughts we are to have.

They have the problem!

If a hate Obamacare, socialism, or hate blacks(which I do not)

I'm not the problem!

No they are!

Free speech is free speech!

47 posted on 01/08/2011 11:10:02 PM PST by factmart
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To: Beowulf9
You can call people whatever you like.....I don’t think I said you should be arrested... Right! You can call people whatever you like....nothing you or anybody would bother me "unless I let it is the point" They are going to use what happen to try to take our free speech away, they will not succeed! If the blacks would thinks like I would do when if they called me chacker! They would not be slaves to their own mind
48 posted on 01/08/2011 11:22:28 PM PST by factmart
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To: JoeBrooks
When the dust settles and the facts come to light as they eventually will, I think some libel and slander suits must be filed by Sarah Palin and anyone else who was wrongly blamed for inciting this shooter. There must be consequences for playing fast and loose with reporting.
49 posted on 01/08/2011 11:46:32 PM PST by albionin
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To: albionin

“There must be consequences for playing fast and loose with reporting.”

I couldn’t agree with you more - unless these people are brought to task then there will many people who will hear the lies and believe them and not hear any retractions etc. This is the way Liberals work - they no it is not going to reach the MSM if they are wrong so they are free to sensationalize and lie all they want. A case in point I have had to put two people right in the last month who told me that Sarah Palin was a nutcase as she said she can see Russia from her house.

Mel


50 posted on 01/09/2011 4:01:24 AM PST by melsec
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