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New Analysis on Obama's Democratic Party of Hawaii Certification of Nomination; Had Legal Help...
Birtherreport.com ^ | Sunday, January 9, 2011 | ObamaRelease YourRecords

Posted on 01/09/2011 9:37:25 AM PST by Hotlanta Mike

-New Analysis of Democrat Party's Official 2008 Certification of Nomination documents for Obama reveals post-dated alterations not only in the legal content but also possible falsification of the stated time each were submitted to Chief Elections Officer.-

(Excerpt) Read more at obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com ...


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19. Cronin’s notifications have never been revealed to the public.

20. If the notification from Cronin to Obama stated that Obama was found not qualified to be on the Hawaiian ballot, Obama had five business days after the finding to send a written request for a hearing to contest the finding and reconcile his lack of eligibility with the DPH.

21. Upon receiving a request for a hearing from Obama, Cronin was obligated to schedule the hearing within 10 business days of receiving the request.

22. Hearings to contest candidate eligibility findings are conducted under Administrative Procedures governed by HRS AR 91.

23. AR 91 allows a petitioner for a hearing to request reasonable scheduling accommodations in order to attend the hearing based on travel, personal matters and/or financial issues.

24. The hearing would have been conducted around mid to late October, 2008.

25. Barack Obama’s grandmother was reported to have become gravely ill in early to mid October, 2008.

26. Barack Obama was in Hawaii in mid October, 2008. The American public was told that his only business there was to visit with his ill grandmother.

27. Obama went to Hawaii, suddenly, without his wife and children, even though Dunham's condition was reported to have been expectedly declining for several weeks, during which, at any time, Obama could have otherwise scheduled a planned visit. The exclusion of Dunham's great-grandchildren and Michelle Obama during this visit is odd. Madelyn Dunham did not pass away for two more weeks after Obama's visit having never been visited by Obama's family in her final months.

27. HRS 11-113 (b) states: If there is no national party or the national and state parties…do not agree on the presidential and vice presidential candidates, the chief election officer may determine which candidates' names shall be placed on the ballot or may leave the candidates' names off the ballot completely.

28. Barack Obama was included on the 2008 Hawaiian Presidential ballot.

1 posted on 01/09/2011 9:37:29 AM PST by Hotlanta Mike
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To: Hotlanta Mike
If the law concerning certification was obeyed we would not have any problem. A criminal will always attempt to hide the truth by any method he can. I can only conclude that the only reason King Obama will not freely offer proof of birth and citizenship that he is a criminal.
2 posted on 01/09/2011 9:41:08 AM PST by Logical me
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To: Hotlanta Mike

OBAMA COLB


3 posted on 01/09/2011 9:41:25 AM PST by FrankR (The Evil Are Powerless If The Good Are Unafraid! - R. Reagan)
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To: Logical me

A criminal always returns to the scene of the crime.


4 posted on 01/09/2011 9:43:36 AM PST by screaminsunshine (Surfers Rule)
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To: LucyT; STARWISE; Fred Nerks; little jeremiah

*ping*


5 posted on 01/09/2011 9:45:08 AM PST by hennie pennie
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To: Hotlanta Mike

No matter what obama says, does or runs away to this will be his Albatross.

he won’t have a minutes respite from the nagging bird over his shoulder, always trailing him, always there.

After he leaves office at any public forum someone will bring up his “lack” of a past.

He will grow old and gray and the Albatross will still be there, asking for the truth, never satisfied with anything less.


6 posted on 01/09/2011 9:45:43 AM PST by Eye of Unk (If your enemy is quick to anger, seek to irritate him. Sun Tzu, The Art of War.)
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

The list, ping

Let me know if you would like to be on or off the ping list

http://www.nachumlist.com/


7 posted on 01/09/2011 9:49:07 AM PST by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: hennie pennie

Thanks for the ping.


8 posted on 01/09/2011 9:49:46 AM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Eye of Unk

I find it interesting that the former Governor of Hawaii...a Republican and a “supposed” friend and supporter of Sarah Palin has not come forward with information regarding this matter. She certainly knows the importance of truth....at least one would hope.


9 posted on 01/09/2011 9:53:43 AM PST by imfrmdixie (A MOUNTAIN CAN BE MOVED....ONE SMALL STONE AT A TIME.)
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To: imfrmdixie

Well the left is very happy trying to paint Sarah Palin as the evil prognosticator of this sad event in Arizona, and anyone connected to her.

The right time will happen soon.


10 posted on 01/09/2011 10:00:28 AM PST by Eye of Unk (If your enemy is quick to anger, seek to irritate him. Sun Tzu, The Art of War.)
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To: butterdezillion; pissant
Ping!


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

11 posted on 01/09/2011 10:14:57 AM PST by The Comedian (Puzzling puzzle pieces precisely proliferating panoramically.)
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To: Hotlanta Mike

People are lousy at keeping secrets...if there were a smoking gun in the BC deal, I’d think we’d have heard some solid info by now. Especially after you know Hillary’s people had to beat the bushes to death in 08. But I’m staying tuned...


12 posted on 01/09/2011 10:15:34 AM PST by bigbob
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To: Hotlanta Mike
Understanding how the real American political system works the persons involved in this cover up apparently stem from the elite political class in DC and now evidenced to those election officials in Hawaii. They all have one motivation to stay quiet on Obozo’s eligibility; to keep themselves and their loved ones healthy and alive.
13 posted on 01/09/2011 10:23:09 AM PST by drypowder
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To: Hotlanta Mike

Fantastic Article Documenting How OBOZO HUSSEIN was Fraudulently Passed Off as a Legitimate Candidate
to be on the Hawaiian Ballot for POTUS!! Hopefully, Beck
and Limbaugh along with Hannity and the RNC will grab onto this and Run IT Up the Flagpole! The Stench of the DNC cannot be exceeded by anything on this Planet!


14 posted on 01/09/2011 10:28:33 AM PST by True Republican Patriot (May GOD Continue to BLESS Our Greatest President :George W. Bush!!)
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To: Hotlanta Mike

The difficulty with this theory is that the statute doesn’t specifically say which party has (state or national) has to certify the Constitutional eligibility of the candidate. When I called the Hawaii Department of Elections I was told to speak with Aaron Schulaner, Deputy AG who counsels the HDOE. I did speak with him and asked who is required to certify Constitutional eligibility. He told me that either party or both could do it, as long as somebody certified it.

What the statute requires the Hawaii Democratic Party to do is to state that the candidate is specifically the candidate of the HDP. That is a legal requirement. They must do that. If the candidate the HDP declares is their own differs from the candidate the DNC certifies as their candidate, THEN Cronin would have to decide which candidate to put on the ballot, or whether to not put any candidate on the ballot.

The legal difficulty for Obama in all this would be the fact that the HDP never did state that Obama and Biden were the candidates of specifically the HDP. They took out a whole line of text from their standard OCON, INCLUDING the statement that the candidate was specifically the candidate of the HDP.

With that being absent, Cronin should not have been able to put Obama’s name on the ballot.

He should have sent Obama notification of that. Maybe it’s time for somebody to make an official UIPA request to see the letter that Cronin sent to Obama saying his name could not be placed on the ballot.


15 posted on 01/09/2011 10:34:18 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: FrankR

Barry has too much to hide. Its going to start seeping out. Nobody can hide this many secrets forever. He will face stiff scrutiny in 2012 if he even makes it that long. I doubt he will even run. I also doubt he will make it to 2012 without having to resign. Darryl Issa is going to uncover a lot of illegal activity at the DOJ and some of it may hopefully be traceable to BHO.


16 posted on 01/09/2011 10:34:51 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Eye of Unk
He will grow old and gray and the Albatross will still be there, asking for the truth, never satisfied with anything less.

Yep. Sooner or later the commie libs will throw one of their own under a bus in some petty catfight and the proof will pop right out. Little bammy will be revealed.

.

17 posted on 01/09/2011 10:43:13 AM PST by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: bigbob

Since Obama likes to employ and associate with people who have as one of their favorite philosophers Mao Zedong, I’ll quote another former leader of China:

It does not matter whether the cat is black or white. So long as it catches the mouse, it is a good cat.
—Deng Xiaoping

The election laws of every state contain provisions dealing with challenges to candidates wanting to be placed on the ballots for elections. There is a specific time period to do so. I would have FReepers in all 50 states consider to educate themselves on this and to prepare to make a challenge when Obama attempts to place his name on each of the states ballots.


18 posted on 01/09/2011 10:52:54 AM PST by Hotlanta Mike (TeaNami)
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To: True Republican Patriot

Hopefully, Beck and Limbaugh along with Hannity and the RNC will grab onto this and Run IT Up the Flagpole!


Those guys won’t deal with it. However I did forward the info to Peter Boyles (KHOW Denver http://www.khow.com/pages/boyles.html) and Steve Malzberg (WOR http://www.wor710.com/pages/8314405.php?successResp=true&prevUrl=8314405) because these guys regularly discuss the Obama eligibility issue publicly on their shows.


19 posted on 01/09/2011 11:02:51 AM PST by Hotlanta Mike (TeaNami)
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To: Hotlanta Mike

My personal theory came to me ~2:30 a.m. the other night, when Drudge posted a pic of Obama that looked JUST like Malcolm X. Not a similar resemblance—a dead ringer resemblance.

So here’s my theory. I don’t know exactly where BO was born or who the father is. I do know who it isn’t: Obama Sr. No way did he produce a child as light as BO. (As we’ve seen lately, BO is even lighter when he’s not getting regular sun; his torso looked positively Caucasian in one shot I saw of him.)

I don’t think the original BC lists a father. Michelle said Stanley was very young and very single when she had Obama. For once I think Michelle was telling the truth.

Stanley and O Sr must have married at some point; there’s a divorce, and I don’t see how you get one of those without a marriage. No wonder we’re not allowed to see the original marriage certificate, however; it would reveal the marriage succeeded the birth, which is a fact BO doesn’t want to publicize.

Whatever name he was born with—most likely Barry Dunham—it was changed to Barry Soetero when his stepfather adopted him, and he became an Indonesian citizen. At this point, I’m guessing his mother told Barry Obama Sr was his real father, though she either didn’t know who the father was or knew O Sr was NOT the father. (Her reason would be that she wanted Barry to think he was legitimate, and O Sr. was the only other husband she had.)

So later on Obama got shuffled out of his mother’s life and back to HI. He no longer wanted to be Soetero, and he still believed O Sr to be his father. So he took the full name and became a Jr—understandable in a child who’s been cast off, and is looking for identity.

Later, as he notes, he saw his BC. He knows, therefore, that no father is listed. He probably to this day clings to the idea that O Sr is his father. The fact that it’s genetically a long-shot-to-the-point-of-near-impossibility doesn’t occur to him; he just loves his narrative of Kenyan roots and a Kenyan extended family.

Seems like the most likely scenario to me. Also, it very much explains why he guards the BC so aggressively. He doesn’t want to answer questions about his parentage, and above all he doesn’t want to be accused of fabricating a narrative. So he tells the judge at LTC Lakin’s trial that releasing the BC would be very ‘embarrassing’ - and to save Obama embarrassment the judge agrees to toss an honorable man in the slammer.

Nice work, Barry. But what goes around comes around, so buckle up for a bumpy ride ahead.


20 posted on 01/09/2011 11:09:10 AM PST by Fantasywriter
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To: imfrmdixie

I find it interesting that the former Governor of Hawaii...a Republican and a “supposed” friend and supporter of Sarah Palin has not come forward with information regarding this matter. She certainly knows the importance of truth....at least one would hope.


Governor Lingle did come forward with information regarding this matter:
“You know, during the campaign of 2008, I was in the mainland campaigning for Senator McCain. This issue kept coming up so much in the campaign, and again, I think it’s one of those issues that is simply a distraction from the more critical issues that are facing the country.
And so I had my health director, who is a physician by background, go personally view the birth certificate in the birth records of the Department of Health, and we issued a news release at that time saying that the president was, in fact born at Kapi’olani Hospital in Honolulu, Hawai’i. And that’s just a fact. And yet people continue to call up and e-mail and want to make it an issue. And I think, it’s again, a horrible distraction for the country by those people who continue this. It’s been established. He was born here.” Governor Linda Lingle in a radio interview conducted on May 2, 2010.


21 posted on 01/09/2011 11:28:51 AM PST by jamese777
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To: Hotlanta Mike

Wow! Thank you thats Great! I still haven’t given up Hope on Limbaugh, just this week he was hammering on all the Corruption that these Thugs are perpetrating on Us!! All the way to how they are Paying Google to spread their Lies and Propaganda which as he points out is a Major Violation of the Hatch Act!!!....and Limbaugh, Beck and Hannity where all playing the Video and Audio of prissy Chris Matthews demanding that Obama show his Long Form to Shut the Birthers Up and asking why he hasn’t shown it! One can only PRAY!


22 posted on 01/09/2011 11:40:17 AM PST by True Republican Patriot (May GOD Continue to BLESS Our Greatest President :George W. Bush!!)
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To: jamese777

And so I had my health director, who is a physician by background, go personally view the birth certificate in the birth records of the Department of Health, and we issued a news release at that time saying that the president was, in fact born at Kapi’olani Hospital in Honolulu, Hawai’i. And that’s just a fact. And yet people continue to call up and e-mail and want to make it an issue. And I think, it’s again, a horrible distraction for the country by those people who continue this. It’s been established. He was born here.” Governor Linda Lingle in a radio interview conducted on May 2, 2010.


If he was born in Kapi’olani Hospital then it was as Obama. Therefore the birth announcements are fraudulent as well (films tampered with?).

Extra, Extra, Announcing obama’s Birth

http://myveryownpointofview.wordpress.com/2010/05/28/extra-extra-announcing-obamas-birth/


23 posted on 01/09/2011 11:58:05 AM PST by Hotlanta Mike (TeaNami)
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To: Fantasywriter

My personal theory came to me ~2:30 a.m. the other night, when Drudge posted a pic of Obama that looked JUST like Malcolm X. Not a similar resemblance—a dead ringer resemblance.

So here’s my theory. I don’t know exactly where BO was born or who the father is. I do know who it isn’t: Obama Sr. No way did he produce a child as light as BO. (As we’ve seen lately, BO is even lighter when he’s not getting regular sun; his torso looked positively Caucasian in one shot I saw of him.)

I don’t think the original BC lists a father. Michelle said Stanley was very young and very single when she had Obama. For once I think Michelle was telling the truth.

Stanley and O Sr must have married at some point; there’s a divorce, and I don’t see how you get one of those without a marriage. No wonder we’re not allowed to see the original marriage certificate, however; it would reveal the marriage succeeded the birth, which is a fact BO doesn’t want to publicize.

Whatever name he was born with—most likely Barry Dunham—it was changed to Barry Soetero when his stepfather adopted him, and he became an Indonesian citizen. At this point, I’m guessing his mother told Barry Obama Sr was his real father, though she either didn’t know who the father was or knew O Sr was NOT the father. (Her reason would be that she wanted Barry to think he was legitimate, and O Sr. was the only other husband she had.)

So later on Obama got shuffled out of his mother’s life and back to HI. He no longer wanted to be Soetero, and he still believed O Sr to be his father. So he took the full name and became a Jr—understandable in a child who’s been cast off, and is looking for identity.

Later, as he notes, he saw his BC. He knows, therefore, that no father is listed. He probably to this day clings to the idea that O Sr is his father. The fact that it’s genetically a long-shot-to-the-point-of-near-impossibility doesn’t occur to him; he just loves his narrative of Kenyan roots and a Kenyan extended family.

Seems like the most likely scenario to me. Also, it very much explains why he guards the BC so aggressively. He doesn’t want to answer questions about his parentage, and above all he doesn’t want to be accused of fabricating a narrative. So he tells the judge at LTC Lakin’s trial that releasing the BC would be very ‘embarrassing’ - and to save Obama embarrassment the judge agrees to toss an honorable man in the slammer.

Nice work, Barry. But what goes around comes around, so buckle up for a bumpy ride ahead.


Three problems with the above: “Mr. and Mrs. Barack Hussein Obama” are listed as parents on the birth notices for Barry that appeared in the Honolulu newspapers on August 13 and August 14, 1961. Both newspapers have confirmed that they received their birth notices from the Health Bureau and not from family or friends. The Honolulu Advertiser birth notice is in a section of the newspaper called “Health Bureau Statistics” and lists birth, marriage and death notices.
(2)Barack Obama is listed as the father on the short form COLB. The information on the short form comes from the long form. There is no additional information on a Hawaii long form that is relevant to who the parents are. The additional categories that aren’t on the short form are birth hospital, doctor’s name and signature plus parents’ occupations.
(3)Parents cannot renounce the US citizenship for minor children. Six year old Barry would have had to convince a US Embassy official that he wanted to renounce his US citizenship and there would have been a Certificate of Loss of Nationality issued at that time that would be available under a Freedom of Information Act request. Indonesia does not permit dual citizenship.


24 posted on 01/09/2011 11:58:31 AM PST by jamese777
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To: jamese777

Correction: If he was born in Kapi’olani Hospital then it was NOT as Obama. Therefore the birth announcements are fraudulent as well (films tampered with?).

Extra, Extra, Announcing obama’s Birth

http://myveryownpointofview.wordpress.com/2010/05/28/extra-extra-announcing-obamas-birth/


25 posted on 01/09/2011 12:00:32 PM PST by Hotlanta Mike (TeaNami)
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To: jamese777

You are the one who said to be wary of the BC issue because it was started by Dem. You said it could be an Obama ‘deflection’. You failed to mention that the two Dems who started it were virulently anti-Obama. Sorry, jamese; I don’t even read your posts any more. You are either too uninformed or too disinguous to interest me.


26 posted on 01/09/2011 12:09:08 PM PST by Fantasywriter
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To: Logical me
criminal will always attempt to hide the truth by any method he can. I can only conclude that the only reason King Obama will not freely offer proof of birth and citizenship that he is a criminal.

Unfortunately, the topic of this discussion may be, just as it was with the only prior usurper, Chester Arthur, who always concealed his Vermont birth certificate, intended to distract citizens from the truth. What is the truth? Here is just one of many clear statements of the truth, this time by Chief Justice Morrison Waite from his decision in Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162 from 1874:

“The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizensbecame themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens...

The definition is from our common-law, just as were most of the definitions of terms used in the Constitution. John Jay, Washington, Hamilton, Jefferson, Marshall, Story,..., all had the wisdom to agree with ‘nature's law’, most, but not all of them, relying upon Vattel's summary of natures law, "Law of Nations" that the allegiances of the parents shape, and help to assure the allegiances of the child. It sounds like a sensible observation because it is. Humans evolved a civil society by codifying observed behavior. Every parent wants to know about the family which they will join by implication when their child marries.

Obama never said he was a natural born citizen, he said: "I am a native born citizen of the U.S.", which is a State Department definition, a statute, meaning born on our soil but not necessarily of citizen parents. Our founders and framers required that our president be a citizen by nature - not by statute/law; not naturalized. There have be dozens of attempts to amend this provisions of Article II, last by Orrin Hatch in 2003, and every one failed by large margins.

Obama told us his father was not a citizen. Obama and his supporters, like Obot James777 here on FR, are counting on your ignorance about our framers and founders. That is why they pump the irrelevant, and probably deliberate concealment of Soetoro/Obama’s birth records. Obama is not a Constitutional President because he was born to a British/Kenyan father. The argument they use is that the Constitution doesn't matter since the people elected him. That is only true if we forsake our founders and framers, rejecting John Adams and every other founder, to become a nation of men and not law. Every pure democracy has dissolved into anarchy and then dictatorship.

27 posted on 01/09/2011 12:23:20 PM PST by Spaulding
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To: jamese777

PS: I forgot to thank you for bumping my theory. If more people read it as a result, that’s fine with me. :)

I found something related on Pamala Geller’s blog:

Barack Hussein Obama Jr, Malcolm X, Barack Hussein Obama Sr.:

Barack Hussein Obama Sr., Tom Mboya, and Philip Ochieng, all share common physical features of the Kenyan Luo tribe: Modest stature under six feet, round faces, small chins, wide set eyes, slanted back foreheads, and retracted hairlines…none of these features are shared by Malcolm X and Barack Hussein Obama Jr.

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/10/how-could-stanl.html

That ties in with my observation that Obama looks nothing like the son of O Sr and eerily like the offspring of Malcolm X.


28 posted on 01/09/2011 12:25:41 PM PST by Fantasywriter
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To: Fantasywriter

You are the one who said to be wary of the BC issue because it was started by Dem. You said it could be an Obama ‘deflection’. You failed to mention that the two Dems who started it were virulently anti-Obama. Sorry, jamese; I don’t even read your posts any more. You are either too uninformed or too disinguous to interest me.


OK. Take good care.


29 posted on 01/09/2011 12:51:27 PM PST by jamese777
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To: Fantasywriter

PS: I forgot to thank you for bumping my theory. If more people read it as a result, that’s fine with me. :)

I found something related on Pamala Geller’s blog:

Barack Hussein Obama Jr, Malcolm X, Barack Hussein Obama Sr.:

Barack Hussein Obama Sr., Tom Mboya, and Philip Ochieng, all share common physical features of the Kenyan Luo tribe: Modest stature under six feet, round faces, small chins, wide set eyes, slanted back foreheads, and retracted hairlines…none of these features are shared by Malcolm X and Barack Hussein Obama Jr.

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/10/how-could-stanl.html

That ties in with my observation that Obama looks nothing like the son of O Sr and eerily like the offspring of Malcolm X.


You’re welcome for the bump.


30 posted on 01/09/2011 12:52:51 PM PST by jamese777
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To: jamese777

j..777, “Three problems with the above: “Mr. and Mrs. Barack Hussein Obama” are listed as parents on the birth notices for Barry that appeared in the Honolulu newspapers on August 13 and August 14, 1961.”

How can a birth notice with provably fraudulently information be considered proof? The address listed for one MR. OBAMA has been proven to be false. No one even tries to dispute that he never lived at that address.

http://myveryownpointofview.wordpress.com/2011/01/02/baracks-baggage/

And where would the race code “African” have come from? The original birth certificate you say? There was NO classification for “African” (or African-American) in 1961. Proof of that is also at the link provided above.


31 posted on 01/09/2011 1:07:49 PM PST by Ladysforest
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To: Fantasywriter

I like your theory and it fits with mine.

My theory for why he is so deceptive about his bc and origins is also that his bio dad is not Bo sr. But my reason is not that he is only afraid of his narrative not being true, but also because everywhere he has gotten, he has gotten with Muslim money and push. If he is discovered by the palis and Saudis having lied to them about his own Muslim roots, they will be harder on him than the American people!


32 posted on 01/09/2011 1:20:13 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: Yaelle

It’s all starting to fit together, isn’t it? The thing I like best about your theory is that it fills in one of the biggest gaps in my own thinking. Namely, the tenacity with which BO guards his BC. And yet, ‘tenacity’ isn’t a strong enough word, is it? Nor is any other word I’ve been able to come up with, which has been an ongoing source of frustration for me.

After reading your post, however, the perfect description popped into my head: ‘Obama guards his BC as if his life depends on it’.

That is really the only way to accurately and adequately describe it. If he’s got the Saudis breathing down his neck [and we know millions of foreign dollars flowed into his campaign, not to mention, as you suggested, the issue of who paid his large college bills] that is indeed a life-and-death motivation.

So yes, I like your idea very much. :)


33 posted on 01/09/2011 1:49:57 PM PST by Fantasywriter
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To: Ladysforest

How can a birth notice with provably fraudulently information be considered proof? The address listed for one MR. OBAMA has been proven to be false. No one even tries to dispute that he never lived at that address.


A grand jury investigation could have been convened at any time to determine if the birth notice information from the two newspapers is false. A grand jury could have also subpoenaed the original birth documents. No one ever bothered to convene a grand jury investigation.

Sightseeing tours in Honolulu still go to the cottage behind the residence on Kalaniana’ole Highway:
http://obamasneighborhood.com/homes.html
When you say “proven” you mean that there have been internet reports that the address isn’t accurate but no court of law and no grand jury has confirmed that to be true.

From the former Republican Governor of Hawaii, Linda Lingle:
“And so I had my director of Health, who is a physician by background, go and personally view the birth certificate in the birth records of the Department of Health. And we issued a news release at that time stating that the president was born at Kapiolani Hospital in Honolulu, Hawaii. And that’s just a fact.
It’s been established. He was born here.” Governor Linda Lingle, May 2, 2010.


34 posted on 01/09/2011 2:11:19 PM PST by jamese777
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To: Fantasywriter

You hit the nail on the head. In the 1960’s the birth certificate of a bastard child stated the father was ‘unknown.’


35 posted on 01/09/2011 2:22:42 PM PST by esquirette ("Our hearts are restless until they find rest in Thee." ~ Augustine)
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To: Ladysforest

And where would the race code “African” have come from? The original birth certificate you say? There was NO classification for “African” (or African-American) in 1961. Proof of that is also at the link provided above.


Kurt Tsue at the Hawaii Department Of Health explained back in 2008 that the father’s race and the mother’s race are supplied by the parents, and that “we accept what the parents self identify themselves to be.”
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

It is reasonable to believe that Barack Obama, Sr., would have thought of and reported himself as “African.” To this day, sub-Saharan Africans do not like being lumped together with American blacks and in 1961, they NEVER referred to themselves as “Negro.”

If you were trying to forge a document, would you allow a term to be placed on the document that would so obviously draw attention to it, if it wasn’t on the original?


36 posted on 01/09/2011 2:26:46 PM PST by jamese777
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To: esquirette

Yes—and imagine the embarrassment to Obama if—I should say WHEN—the truth comes out. That is the problem for con men. Their game eventually plays out, and they’re exposed as the snake oil salesmen they’ve always been. Just ask Bernie Madoff.

Obama’s secret has kept for a good many years, but the scrutiny is becoming too intense. We’ll find out the truth before too long, and it won’t be pretty for Obama.


37 posted on 01/09/2011 2:30:28 PM PST by Fantasywriter
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To: All

FYI: Scanned copies of what the Democrats sent to Hawai’i to get Obama’s name on the ballot:
http://moniquemonicat.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/hawaii-response.pdf


38 posted on 01/09/2011 2:42:36 PM PST by jamese777
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To: Fantasywriter

Despite all the optimism about the truth coming out, at this point, it will have to be truth that someone is keeping in a vault somewhere, because the public records appear to have been redacted, amended, and destroyed.

Evidence really can disappear and forever change the outcome of a case. In this case, I fear that is exactly what has happened. Unless and until someone with the real goods lets it out, it won’t come out.

And again we see the common fabric of an ordered society ripped to shreds for the gain of one man.


39 posted on 01/09/2011 2:47:16 PM PST by esquirette ("Our hearts are restless until they find rest in Thee." ~ Augustine)
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To: jamese777

I remember that...but she has never seen the thing herself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoiuPcZXvkg


40 posted on 01/09/2011 2:51:42 PM PST by imfrmdixie (A MOUNTAIN CAN BE MOVED....ONE SMALL STONE AT A TIME.)
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To: jamese777

I’m going to assume you have never been in a hospital when a birth certificate was filled out by the newborn’s mother. She can provide whatever information she wants, true or not, and it goes into the record.

Thus, Stanley Ann or Madelyn Dunham could have said BHO, Sr. or Frank Marshall Davis or Joe Sixpack was the father and that’s what the record would show. Similarly, an unwed mother can report that she is married. The mother/grandmother’s input is never questioned.

The information the mother/grandmother provides is passed to the Dept of Health (and/or Vital Statistics) and thus to any media outlet that reports births. Thus, the information reported IS from family.


41 posted on 01/09/2011 3:19:00 PM PST by EDINVA
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To: Spaulding
Obama never said he was a natural born citizen, he said: "I am a native born citizen of the U.S.", which is a State Department definition, a statute, meaning born on our soil but not necessarily of citizen parents.

I don't know much about this document. But seems interesting that his books talk about his Kenyan father yet he signs this natural born citizen document.

also Why Was Sarah Herlihy Worrying About Article II?

from article

"I had to ask myself, what would drive any American to want to change a clause in a document that is the very foundation of our government? So, I kept digging, and found that SARAH P. HERLIHY is employed by Kirkland & Ellis LLP "Noting that this law firm is based in Chicago, the light bulb was shining a little brighter . Upon looking at the firm, and the partners, I found that Bruce I. Ettelson, P.C., is Member of finance committees of U.S. Senators Barack Obama and Richard Durbin.

AMENDING THE NATURAL BORN CITIZEN REQUIREMENT: GLOBALIZATION AS THE IMPETUS AND THE OBSTACLE SARAH P. HERLIHY. INTRODUCTION

thread

42 posted on 01/09/2011 3:44:09 PM PST by opentalk
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To: esquirette

I share your concerns, but in this case I do think the truth will come out. For one thing, if the original has been destroyed, why don’t they just come right out and say so? I.e.: why not issue an announcement that BO’s vault-copy BC is missing, and so we must desist asking to see it because it simply doesn’t exist.

They don’t do that because in all likelihood it’s still there. In the extreme case that it’s been destroyed, however, that is a massive Obama headache. Who destroyed it and why? The questions surrounding the total absence of an original BC are much bigger and deeper than the ones we are asking now, and would sink BO for sure.

As for the forgery, that is too big a conspiracy to believe in. When they finally show the BC, it will have to be scrutinized in order to have any credibility at all. [Or they will have to explain why no one with any independent credibility and expertise is allowed to examine it, which will be just another can of deceptive, snake-oil worms Obama doesn’t need to have hung on his fast-tarnishing repuation.] I just don’t think all the people required to do a forgery that would pass analysis—and who would have to cooperate to get it done—would risk that much for the sake of the sorry excuse of a scam artist that now occupies the Oval Office.

I really do believe the truth is coming. We’ve agitated for it a long time, and the pressure is building. At the same time Obama’s poll numbers are dropping—but not as fast as they will when the price of gas at the pump skyrockets, as it’s about to. Sooner than later it will all reach critical mass—and Obama is not the only one who will go down in the resulting scandal.


43 posted on 01/09/2011 3:45:56 PM PST by Fantasywriter
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To: opentalk

Thank you for posting the Herlihy comment/documentation. Personally, I have always seen that as a genuine smoking gun. Why DID she come out with such a singular position at just that moment in time? In police/detective work there is a saying: there’s no such thing as a coincidence. Anybody who thinks Herlihy’s comment is ‘just a coincidence’ isn’t really thinking to begin with. It’s all part of the big picture—and a very damning picture it is.


44 posted on 01/09/2011 3:52:31 PM PST by Fantasywriter
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To: Fantasywriter
Kirkland & Ellis LLP made a large donation to Harvard law under part of Kagan's fund raising.

"We are enormously grateful to everyone at Kirkland & Ellis for this new gift, and for Kirkland's unwavering support over the years," said Dean Elena Kagan. "The true magic of a Harvard Law education takes place in the classroom, where sparks fly and minds expand. I look forward to seeing countless Harvard Law students learning in Kirkland & Ellis Hall, which is located in one of the most significant buildings in the history of American legal education."

Kirkland & Ellis LLP is a 1,000-attorney law firm representing global clients in complex transactional, litigation, intellectual property, and restructuring matters with offices in Chicago, London, Los Angeles, Munich, New York, San Francisco, and Washington, D.C.

article link

this is the begining of the paper ---

The natural born citizen requirement in Article II of the United States Constitution has been called the ¡°stupidest provision¡± in the Constitution,1 ¡°undecidedly un-American,¡±2 ¡°blatantly discriminatory,¡±3 and the ¡°Consti-tution¡¯s worst provision.¡±4 Since Arnold Schwarzenegger¡¯s victory in the California gubernatorial recall election of 2003, commentators and policy-makers have once again started to discuss whether Article II of the United States Constitution should be amended to render naturalized citizens eligi-ble for the presidency.5 Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 of the Constitution defines the eligibility requirements for an individual to become president. Article II provides:

No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Of-fice who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.6 Although these sixty-two words are far from extraordinary, the natural born citizen provision is controversial because it prevents over 12.8 million Americans from being eligible for the presidency.7

45 posted on 01/09/2011 4:11:07 PM PST by opentalk
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To: Fantasywriter
"So he tells the judge at LTC Lakin’s trial that releasing the BC would be very ‘embarrassing’..."

Is this true?

46 posted on 01/09/2011 4:12:48 PM PST by newfreep (Palin/DeMint 2012 - Bolton: Secy of State)
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To: opentalk
direct link to pdf. Herlihy paper - natural born citizen requirement.

link

47 posted on 01/09/2011 4:17:20 PM PST by opentalk
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To: newfreep

Here is the relevant quote:

“Col. Lind, Presiding JAG Judge, has recently ruled that LTC Lakin can’t depose (question under oath) the Hawaiian Custodian of Birth Records, nor view any of their documents. The judge claimed that birth records might contain “embarrassing information” about the putative President.”

Now where on earth would the judge get the idea that the BC could “embarrass” Obama unless from Obama’s counsel and/or the Hawaiian authorities themselves?

Here’s the link:

http://www.impeachobamacampaign.com/tag/terrence-lakin/


48 posted on 01/09/2011 4:27:36 PM PST by Fantasywriter
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To: opentalk

The Obama, Harvard, Kagan and Kirkland & Ellis connection is insidious at best. Thanks for yet more excellent research and documentation. Obama knows he’s got a problem. That’s why he looked like a famine victim in some of the HI vacation pics. Pulling a fraud of this magnitude takes a toll on even a sociopath.

Enjoy AF1 while you can, Obama; your story is unraveling faster than a roll of toilet tissue fastened to the tail of the space shuttle.


49 posted on 01/09/2011 4:36:15 PM PST by Fantasywriter
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To: Fantasywriter

WOW - we are indeed living in a judicial and socialist tyranny.


50 posted on 01/09/2011 4:40:55 PM PST by newfreep (Palin/DeMint 2012 - Bolton: Secy of State)
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