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John Wheeler case: Cab driver comes forward, claims contacted police first
Examiner com ^ | January 23, 2011 | Radell Smith

Posted on 01/23/2011 8:39:10 AM PST by brityank

John Wheeler case: Cab driver comes forward, claims contacted police first

* Radell Smith
* January 23rd, 2011 6:05 am ET

John P. Wheeler III's murder investigation has been going on since his body was found on New Year's Eve of 2011, but it wasn't until this week that a cab driver named Roland Spence of Seacoast Cabs came forward publicly to say he was the one who gave Wheeler a lift from the Amtrak station that fateful week the ex-Pentagon official died.

According to USA Today, Roland Spence contacted the different police agencies involved in the John Wheeler homicide investigation, each referring him on to the next, until he was directed to Newark PD.

Spence said that he spoke with an officer at Newark's Police Department, but he didn't give the officer's name. According to USA Today, Spence claims the officer asked him for details about when he allegedly picked up John Wheeler--and what Wheeler looked like, ...


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1 posted on 01/23/2011 8:39:14 AM PST by brityank
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To: Wolfstar; Albion Wilde; BykrBayb; Fishtalk; WestCoastGal

Ping for those following this case.

How did Wheeler get around? Still too many missing points on his time-line, and indications that maybe the various police agencies are less than communicative between each other.


2 posted on 01/23/2011 8:44:38 AM PST by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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To: Wolfstar; Albion Wilde; BykrBayb; Fishtalk; WestCoastGal

Oh - and follow up on the USAToday link Radell provides at the bottom.


3 posted on 01/23/2011 8:46:41 AM PST by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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To: brityank

Thanks for continuing to follow up on this
link to USA Today article:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2011-01-23-wheeler_N.htm

This cabbie says Wheeler was “lucid.”


4 posted on 01/23/2011 8:58:54 AM PST by shhrubbery!
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To: brityank

Thanks for the ping

I posted earlier on the other thread that when reading the USA Today’s article this cabbie gives, the timeline is a day off.

This cabbie says he picked Wheeler up from train station on 29th when in fact the police say he arrived late the 28th but, can’t place him there. However, the smoke bombs go off in the neighbors house the evening of the 28th.

The timeline has him arriving at Amtrak on the evening of 28th. (my notes have - Dec. 28 (Tuesday) - Takes Amtrak train from Washington to Wilmington)5.00 pm - Last response to ongoing email conversation concerning West Point and college football.

28th 11.30 pm - 5 smoke bombs used to exterminate rodents thrown into Marinis’ building site

Cabbie says he wanted to go to 10th and Orange St. (not necessarily Hotel Dupont - Nemours is there too.) If it was the Dupont, what was he doing there - meeting someone? (if that meeting was BIG, and then something happened to him - that’s big! - now there’s even more questions!) Couldn’t be the lawyer, he has his own office in town. SO? (OR is the cabbie lying because his days are off? - OR, did John not make it to Wilmington the 28th?) Sigh - very confusing.

Cabbie : Remembers Wheeler as “calm, relaxed and lucid.”

Of course that makes sense because we know whatever happened to him was between the pharmacy at >>>6pm and the Nemours on the 29th at 6:40pm<<< then disoriented and robbed of his briefcase. NOTE I have a pic up on the other thread of his left arm if someone has photo ability to blow that up and see if his watch and ring are still there. If they are, then it was a robbery to get what was in his briefcase.

About 3:30 p.m. Thursday, (30th) John P. Wheeler III, 66, was seen in Wilmington in the area of 10th and Orange streets by a member of the public, said Newark police spokesman Lt. Mark Farrall. (goes to coffee place earlier on this day as well - no mention of him being disoriented)


5 posted on 01/23/2011 9:04:38 AM PST by WestCoastGal (SL I believe hes a remarkable race-car driver, I think some people in the world have forgotten that)
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To: brityank

One more piece to the puzzle, but there still a lot missing.


6 posted on 01/23/2011 9:06:23 AM PST by bgill (K Parliament- how could a young man born in Kenya who is not even a native American become the POTUS)
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To: brityank
Hope I'm reading this right.

It's 8:48 AM on the 29th. The cabbie was parked at the Amtrak Station in Wilmington at Walnut and French.

John was going to the DuPont Hotel so I would guess he stayed in DC on the evening of the 28th. Did someone book the DuPont for him?? He complained about the cost.

Did he actually check in??

At 6:00 that same evening, he was near his home.

Some cabbie is like soooooo lying....Which one?? SCOTT

7 posted on 01/23/2011 9:12:58 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: WestCoastGal; shhrubbery!
I posted earlier on the other thread that when reading the USA Today’s article this cabbie gives, the timeline is a day off.

Maybe, but I believe the cabbie has a notebook to track his fares by date and time - pretty sure they need that for the company and tax records. Did Wheeler go up to NYC first on the 28th, then come down on the 29th after seeing his wife at their condo?

Too many missing pieces.

Thanks for the added link, shhrubs.

8 posted on 01/23/2011 9:14:38 AM PST by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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To: Sacajaweau; WestCoastGal
John was going to the DuPont Hotel ...

Well, I saw he also had his lawyer in the Nemours Building that is attached to the Hotel; also the company he worked for - Mitre - had a corporate apartment in the Nemours Building. I don't know if John used that or had access to it, but if so could explain his staying in Wilmington and changing his clothes.

9 posted on 01/23/2011 9:25:03 AM PST by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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To: brityank
John's Mitre meeting was in DC on the 28th.

Mitre is saying "0".

Assuming it was a full day meeting...John must have had casual conversations with his cohorts....Something like..."Where are you heading John?"

It's between Christmas and New Years, a time when conversation about "what are you doing" abounds.

I'm betting there were sleeping facilities in DC for any of these folks.

DC Temps-Hi/Lo

1/28 37/29

1/29 45/29

10 posted on 01/23/2011 9:29:20 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: brityank
The final hours of John Wheeler's life included a visit to the Delaware office of the Small Business Administration near 10th and Orange streets in downtown Wilmington

Jayne Armstrong, Delaware District Director for the SBA Office issued the following statement, but would not comment on anything that took place during the encounter with staff at the office at 3:30 p.m. on Dec. 30th.

11 posted on 01/23/2011 9:34:14 AM PST by Abby4116
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I now believe the following:

1. That John did not arrive in Wilmington until the morning of the 29th.

That John did not check in but there was a reservation for him at the DuPont.

That sometime shortly after this 8:48 AM cab ride on the 29th, John took a cab from the DuPont to his home in New Castle. He needed different reports for his next meeting in (Philadelphia?)

That John had business (Post Office??) in the Plaza that has the Pharmacy. That he walked (10 minutes) to the Plaza, did his business, then called a cab 4-5 PM.

The cabbie said he was there in 20 minutes but John was not there. (I think that's a lie.)

12 posted on 01/23/2011 9:48:39 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Sacajaweau

Mitre’s main HQ is in DC, but they have branches around the country, including the Nemours Building in Wilmington. We do know he went to the 10th Floor of Nemours to see “his” lawyer, or was that his Mitre contact? Also I believe he was shown in the parking garage that is next to Nemours after he seemed to be attacked and disorganized.


13 posted on 01/23/2011 9:49:37 AM PST by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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To: All
I think we got snookered on something....the cell phone...But I don't know exactly how to explain it.

I'm almost considering a dirty cop...or Dirty Town....given the Town Officials said they don't want LE to spend extra time on finding John's killer.

Ohhhh...I think this is a very dirty Town....

14 posted on 01/23/2011 10:00:03 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Sacajaweau

Three different towns/cities: New Castle, Wilmington, Newark. All different including different police departments. That quote you had about not wanting to spend more time came from Wilmington. I believe Newark has said nothing of the sort.


15 posted on 01/23/2011 10:03:30 AM PST by Abby4116
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To: Abby4116
The final hours of John Wheeler's life included a visit to the Delaware office of the Small Business Administration near 10th and Orange streets in downtown Wilmington

Not sure, but that is likely either in the Nemours Building, or the Hotel Office area, or even the DuPont Building at the head of that 10th Street complex. (Tan, round-front building just west of Nemours.) I drove that route many times while working in the area.

16 posted on 01/23/2011 10:06:37 AM PST by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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How do we keep this story alive? Why hasn't the coroner issued a report yet?

Hope someone at FR lives near John.

17 posted on 01/23/2011 10:28:37 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: brityank

No - he went to the 10th-floor offices of Connolly Bove Lodge & Hutz law firm in Nemours Building; asks to speak with managing partner, but leaves when the secretary goes in back to find him — he may have thought she was calling someone else?

Johns lawyer is Bayard Marin Law -
521 North West Street, Wilmington, DE (302) 658-4200

MAP http://maps.google.com/maps?q=10th+and+Orange+Wilmington+Delaware&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=N+Orange+St+%26+W+10th+St,+Wilmington,+DE&gl=us&ei=tDA8TaGODIGC8gbS8KSoCg&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=image&resnum=1&ved=0CBQQ8gEwAA


18 posted on 01/23/2011 10:33:49 AM PST by WestCoastGal (SL I believe hes a remarkable race-car driver, I think some people in the world have forgotten that)
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To: Abby4116

Map of SBA office - seems in the opposite direction of everything we’ve looked at, although only a few blocks away.

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=10th+and+Orange+Wilmington+Delaware&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=N+Orange+St+%26+W+10th+St,+Wilmington,+DE&gl=us&ei=tDA8TaGODIGC8gbS8KSoCg&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=image&resnum=1&ved=0CBQQ8gEwAA


19 posted on 01/23/2011 10:37:39 AM PST by WestCoastGal (SL I believe hes a remarkable race-car driver, I think some people in the world have forgotten that)
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To: brityank

The police have to know when he came through the Amtrak building - they have security cameras everywhere - it doesn’t take 23 days to do that.

They have more than they are telling us for various reasons. If they never release any of it and this isn’t solved, then we can go to the conspiracy theories because of everyone’s silence in this matter.

Everyone in the media has dropped this including Geraldo who had a special hour planned and dropped it only to have a 10 minute rehash of old news on this case. Why?


20 posted on 01/23/2011 10:47:13 AM PST by WestCoastGal (SL I believe hes a remarkable race-car driver, I think some people in the world have forgotten that)
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To: WestCoastGal; Abby4116
Johns lawyer is Bayard Marin Law ...

Thanks; that still makes me wonder what he was doing at the 10th floor law offices. Is it possible they are the lawyers for Mitre? DE is one of the biggest corporate registry states as it's a very corp-friendly court/law system.

Also, I found that the Wilmington Small Business Administration is also in the Nemours Building:


21 posted on 01/23/2011 10:48:04 AM PST by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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To: brityank
I believe the cabbie has a notebook to track his fares by date and time

I doubt it, cab drivers lease their cabs from the cab companies and all the fares collected on a shift belong to them......I know two cabbies and one recently quit his job because he wasn't getting enough fares per night to cover the cost of the cab and gasoline which is their responsibility too. So in actuality, some nights he was actually losing money.

Now here where I live, the local cab companies have dispatchers to contact the drivers and inform them of a pick up from a residence.......unfortunately for the guy I mentioned above, his dispatcher was demanding kickbacks from the drivers to guarantee they would get a call.

22 posted on 01/23/2011 11:06:30 AM PST by Hot Tabasco (The only thing Super Glue is good for is gluing your fingers together.....)
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To: WestCoastGal; Abby4116
Thanks for the map.
Your 'A' drop is the Nemours Building - to the right is the Hotel DuPont and to its left is the DuPont building. I used to drive in off I95, Delaware Ave. East to 11th Street over to Market Street. The buildings pretty well fill the blocks.
23 posted on 01/23/2011 11:07:45 AM PST by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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To: Hot Tabasco

Could be different rules in different areas.
I had a friend who drove cab in the 80’s; the company owned the cab and the medallion hack license and he was an employee, got 40% of the fares plus tips - company paid for expenses and gas. Had to fill trip sheets for every shift.


24 posted on 01/23/2011 11:16:26 AM PST by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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To: brityank
Could be different rules in different areas.

I suspect you're right.....

In my area, cabs aren't a primary source of transportation like many cities in the east where cabs cruise their routes picking up their fares. Cabbies here respond to phone calls into their cab company and then the dispatcher notifies the first available driver in that particular neighborhood........That's probably why here the drivers lease the cabs for their shift so as to guarantee an income on the vehicle for the cab company.

25 posted on 01/23/2011 1:13:38 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (The only thing Super Glue is good for is gluing your fingers together.....)
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To: brityank; 1_Rain_Drop; 4Runner; 21twelve; 70times7; 9422WMR; A.A. Cunningham; Abathar; abb; ...
.

For those not already pinged; here's your ping to a new Wheeler thread from brityank discussing discrepancies between the stories of two cabbies.

FReepmail Albion Wilde to be ADDED or REMOVED from a pinglist on the Wheeler case. If you received this ping, you're ALREADY ON.

26 posted on 01/24/2011 8:37:53 AM PST by Albion Wilde (Government does nothing as economically as the private sector. - Ronald Reagan)
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ping to a new Wheeler thread from brityank discussing discrepancies between the stories of two cabbies.

Thanks, Albion Wilde.

27 posted on 01/24/2011 8:42:24 AM PST by LucyT
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To: brityank

Unless the cab company are idiots they have gps tracking of their cabs so they can determine whether cabbies are transporting fares and pocketing the money.


28 posted on 01/24/2011 8:43:52 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Albion Wilde

Get a good Physic involved in the case..The police I am sure is doing the best job they can with the little evidence they have so bring in the Physics..


29 posted on 01/24/2011 8:47:39 AM PST by PLD
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To: brityank
USA Today reports that Spence said John Wheeler asked to be taken to the Hotel du Pont, so he followed his usual Walnut Street route, resulting in a short ride of less than a mile.

Wheeler's conversation during the transit from AMTRAK to Hotel du Pont, according to Spence, consisted mainly of stating Hotel du Pont wasn't worth the money it cost to stay there, which resulted in Spence assuming Wheeler might be going to visit someone or eat there instead.

Actually, shouldn't the question be: Did Wheeler stay at the Hotel du Pont that night or ever? And/Or: Did Wheeler have any charges at the Hotel du Pont that night or ever?

ML/NJ

30 posted on 01/24/2011 8:51:24 AM PST by ml/nj
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To: brityank

I have not followed this story closely. But I would add a couple of points, speculative at least.

I understand that the family building the house across the road, with an Italian name, ran a garbage collection company, I think in Newark.

Now, I haven’t been in the metropolitan area in some time, but the private carting companies in NYC and nearby New Jersey were run by the Mafia for many years. And the Mafia had many connections with the politicians in the NY/NJ area.

Dumping a body in the trash is an old Mafia custom.

If this were the case, then certainly the police in Newark would be closely connected with the crooked politicians and the Mafia, all scratching each others’ backs. Newark has always been a corrupt place—and probably those other Jersey towns as well.

As I said, this is speculative. But if the Mafia is involved, then the police, the DAs, the politicians, and everyone else is going to be covering for them.

Interesting that this nearly coincides with Eric Holder’s huge raid on the Mafia in that area. Probably a coincidence, but I should think maybe Holder’s raid might shake up politics as usual in the area.


31 posted on 01/24/2011 8:54:29 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: brityank

Look for a dead cabby in the days to follow


32 posted on 01/24/2011 8:58:23 AM PST by al baby (Hi Mom!!! <sarc>)
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To: Cicero

This is not New Jersey.

Waste Management has pretty well consolidated the trash hauling/collection business across the North East.

I agree the Mafia is likely involved, but not overtly.


33 posted on 01/24/2011 8:59:54 AM PST by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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To: brityank
Thanks for ping. Have to say this story 'very defensive' of police while making taxi driver seem unreasonable by his failure to disclose in 'better fashion' and by his not contacting media.

Think the answers here not so mysterious as is made to be, however. Appears the driver, once aware of his pick-up; and less aware or confused by 'time-line' as we all have been somewhere in this story - did go to police and with more referrals to go elsewhere (if true) and eventually shard his info/story. Why would he want to go public - to Media - given that this is a homicide of 'high order' and make himself a link of any kind.

Now his name has been outed and he wants to defend/clear himself as nothing more than a 'driver' who gave Wheeler a ride and nothing more.

That makes more sense to me, than the dramatic colorations and embellishments added, per this story.

34 posted on 01/24/2011 9:02:20 AM PST by cricket (Osama - NOT made in the USA. . . .Obama, not made in the USA either.. .)
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To: Albion Wilde; All

Thanks for the ping. Thanks to all posters. BUMP for John Wheeler.


35 posted on 01/24/2011 9:07:29 AM PST by PGalt
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To: Sacajaweau; brityank; Albion Wilde
USA Today reports that Spence said John Wheeler asked to be taken to the Hotel du Pont, so he followed his usual Walnut Street route, resulting in a short ride of less than a mile.

Wheeler's conversation during the transit from AMTRAK to Hotel du Pont, according to Spence, consisted mainly of stating Hotel du Pont wasn't worth the money it cost to stay there, which resulted in Spence assuming Wheeler might be going to visit someone or eat there instead.

But that is a jump in logic an investigator should not make, as Wheeler's alleged comment about the hotel not being worth what it cost could simply have meant just that: he was staying there but felt it was overpriced.

The question then becomes: why stay in an over-priced hotel in Wilmington when your home is mere minutes away?

Did John Wheeler get to Wilmington on the 29th, instead of the 28th??

36 posted on 01/24/2011 9:08:55 AM PST by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: LucyT

I wish we wouldn’t post new threads - it’s so confusing, there’s stuff all over. :(

I will add the link to the other one though :) Thanks for ping.


37 posted on 01/24/2011 9:23:08 AM PST by WestCoastGal (SL I believe hes a remarkable race-car driver, I think some people in the world have forgotten that)
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To: WestCoastGal; LucyT
I wish we wouldn’t post new threads - it’s so confusing, there’s stuff all over. :(
I will add the link to the other one though :)

That's a very good suggestion, WestCoastGal. I will carry that forward -- pings to new articles will be linked on the "master" thread. Thanks for the FReepmail, LucyT. Do you think we are double-pinging some people? Let's get organized.

38 posted on 01/24/2011 9:56:56 AM PST by Albion Wilde (Government does nothing as economically as the private sector. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Albion Wilde; All

What’s the name of the security company that supplied the surveillance video? I recall reading the name of the company somewhere and that they supply surveillance cameras for several businesses in the area. I’m looking into a certain angle. If it pans out, I’ll share what I find. If not, well, it was worth a shot. But I need to know the name of the security company.


39 posted on 01/24/2011 10:00:15 AM PST by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: Albion Wilde
Do you think we are double-pinging some people? Let's get organized.

Probably we are double-pinging, how do we fix the problem?

40 posted on 01/24/2011 10:12:25 AM PST by LucyT
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To: Albion Wilde; LucyT

Thanks :)

Considering how the lack of news reporting, and in some cases disappearance now of news reports on this case has resulted in some erroneous posting - trying to keep better track is essential.

Also, it seems some peoples ‘guesses’ as to what happened posted on many different sites have now become a loose ‘fact’.


41 posted on 01/24/2011 10:28:12 AM PST by WestCoastGal (SL I believe hes a remarkable race-car driver, I think some people in the world have forgotten that)
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To: Dr. Scarpetta
I found a "police quote" that said the initial report that he arrived on the 28th was wrong.

There must be a lot of John's buddies and work connections coming forward..

My best GUESS is that John mentioned the worker at his house and someone offered their suite in Wilmington if John needed it AND...eventually, John did use it...and maybe BORROWED a hoodie. Maybe he was headed to his 1993 car??

42 posted on 01/24/2011 10:32:55 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: LucyT

I have ping marks all over. I tried “Covergirl”. I’ll try lazer next. Is a tazer the same as lazer??


43 posted on 01/24/2011 10:42:26 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: WestCoastGal
it seems some peoples ‘guesses’ as to what happened posted on many different sites have now become a loose ‘fact’.

I eliminated at least one poster from the pinglist because he or she kept insisting that his speculations were undeniably accurate, whereas the actual fact in question can only be revealed by the autopsy. He was wasting bandwidth resenting anyone who posted a counter opinion.

I like a well-behaved pinglist. LOL!

44 posted on 01/24/2011 10:45:03 AM PST by Albion Wilde (Government does nothing as economically as the private sector. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Albion Wilde

thank you for keep me up to date


45 posted on 01/24/2011 10:57:08 AM PST by SF_Redux (Sarah stands for accountablility and personal responsiblity, democrats can't live with that)
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To: Albion Wilde
"I like a well-behaved pinglist. LOL!"

I hear ya on that - sometimes the Nascar thread gets way out of hand. Have had some wild days with a few people.

46 posted on 01/24/2011 11:20:42 AM PST by WestCoastGal (SL I believe hes a remarkable race-car driver, I think some people in the world have forgotten that)
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To: Albion Wilde

Thanks for the ping AW.

I have checked news reports for updated time-line(s) and can find nothing after Jan 8th. This story is apparently too complicated for lazy journ0lists or they have been persuaded to let it hibernate.


47 posted on 01/24/2011 11:26:15 AM PST by sodpoodle (Despair; man's surrender. Laughter; God 's redemption.)
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To: Albion Wilde

Thanks for the ping!


48 posted on 01/24/2011 11:33:20 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: PLD
... so bring in the Physics.
Hmmm, you mean like e=mc2 ?
49 posted on 01/24/2011 12:11:36 PM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: oh8eleven
No, like Physic is a natural science that involves the study of matter and its motion through spacetime, as well as all related ...

No, really meant to say Psychic ,a person that speaks to spirits..

50 posted on 01/24/2011 12:41:57 PM PST by PLD
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