Posted on 02/01/2011 6:43:19 PM PST by marktwain
Arizona has common sense gun laws. The concept that the government could or should only “allow” certain people to have guns stands the very concept of American jurisprudence on its head. It presumes that the government knows all, controls all, and should be doing so. It is wrong and ineffective.
It is crazy to set up a huge expensive bureaucratic system, require everyone to jump though hoops and prove that they are *not* criminals in order to try, ineffectively, to prevent the few individuals who are not responsible, from having legal access to guns. This is a failed paradigm, and it should be abandoned. To accept the idea that the all gun sales should be monitored by the government, and only allowed to those it deems satisfactory is fundamentally wrong.
The entire idea of the enterprise has always been the death of a thousand cuts, where the restrictions on who can buy, and where, and how and what are continually increased until the number of gun owners is reduced to political insignificance.
In Arizona, it has been illegal to require registration of firearms for many years. Arizona statute 13-3108, paragraph B. reads:
“ A political subdivision of this state shall not require the licensing or registration of firearms or ammunition or any firearm or ammunition components or related accessories or prohibit the ownership, purchase, sale or transfer of firearms or ammunition or any firearm or ammunition components, or related accessories.”
http://www.azleg.state.az.us/FormatDocument.asp?inDoc=/ars/13/03108.htm&Title=13&DocType=ARS
To show that Arizona was serious about this, in 2010, Governor Jan Brewer signed HB 2629 into law.
HB 2629 strengthened existing law by making it illegal for a political subdivision to require or maintain any permanent or temporary records related to the storage of firearms that contain descriptions such as serial number of firearms, or their owners.
The text of HB 2629 can be read at this link:
http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/bills/hb2629s.pdf .
In Arizona, people take the Constitution and freedom seriously. Gun registration has been responsible for millions of deaths in the last century. Arizona citizens have voted to stop gun registration from happening in Arizona.
You are correct, It is a Crime for a Police Officer or any other Government Agent to record the serial number of your firearm here.
“and and” should be “and” A spell checker does not catch double words!
If the time comes that they attempt to require firearm registration here, or at the federal level, I forsee a very unfortunate chain of events occurring to me. My boat will likely turn over at a time when all of my firearms are on board - I would love to comply, but unfortunately all of my firearms went to the bottom of the lake and I have been unable to recover them. Schucks.
What firearms ... I don’t have no stinkin firearms
In Arizona, we have lots of firearms... AND we are proud of it!
The police use a legal evasion in Arizona and elsewhere. Gun dealers are “strongly encouraged” to keep the federal background checks on file, so when the police are interested, they can ask dealers to produce, without warrant, a list of every person they sold, say, Glock firearms to.
And the police get all the information that was on that background check form. For *everybody* who bought that type of gun.
So, don’t feel to safe because the police don’t have a database of registration information themselves.
Oh, and btw, the government does this sort of thing a *lot*. If they are prohibited from having the data in a database, they usually spend taxpayers money to *buy* the information from a private company when they want it.
Which defeats the entire purpose of the law. And costs the public money at the same time.
All the more reason to repeal GC68 and do away with the Federal Firearms License. In Arizona it is perfectly legal to buy from a private party without any documentation to keep. It is done all the time, and it defeats the primary purposes of a firearms registration.
It’s easy to see. Just research the firearms crime rates from when you and I could buy a rifle or shotgun from the Sears catalog and have it sent in the mail versus the firearms crime rates since we generally must buy firearms though an FFL, which in effect is a firearms registration.
“since we generally must buy firearms though an FFL, which in effect is a firearms registration.”
It was an incremental step toward registration, which we have been able to stymie so far. It should be repealed.
I concur. Let anyone who wants buy as many firearms as he pleases. When the folks who should not have firearms pull them out to do something socially unacceptable, responsible patriots will see to it they no longer do such, and probably no longer procreate. Then others of their ilk will think twice before they themselves proceed with anything so foolish.
We came to this point in large part because of the incredible success of Western Civilization. Western Civilization was so peaceful and productive, with such low crime rates, that atheist socialists presumed that it was the natural state of man, and not a product of Western Civilization and Christianity. They have been living off of the moral surplus produced by 400 years of advanced Western Civilization for the last 100 years.
That has already happened to a lot of people from other areas of the country.
Weird, isn’t it?
and fairly successfully tapped that surplus to broke.
I think there is a larger problem then just repealing laws will solve. It is created with data mining, and it is nefarious.
For example, if you purchase ammunition just once with a credit card, there is a likely chance you have a gun that uses that ammo. The same with any gun accessories. An NRA membership. Prior service in the military, police, security guard. Profiles including political party registration, religion, where you live. Combined with the information about your family members. Writings on the Internet.
Often it just works with probabilities, but any probability over 60%? 70%? that you have guns means that if given the opportunity, whoever knows this will *search* for guns on your property or residence.
People are fooled into thinking that you actually have to have gun registration, to have gun registration. Right now, with access to your database profile, there are probably a dozen or more government and private organizations that could tell pretty accurately not just that you are a gun owner, but how many guns you have and of what type.
I admit that I got a great lesson about data mining from some experts, who even years ago, were able to dredge up all sorts of accurate, inaccurate, wrong, and utterly unknown details about my life, just as a whimsical demonstration.
Their motto: “Nobody wants to know anything about you for your benefit”.
Until there is some way to prohibit or limit such data mining activities, we are living in a fish bowl.
But but guns are evil ... they kill people everyday. Without guns all there would be is butterflies and rainbows and the occasional unicorn .... which I could take out from MANY yards away with my 7MM Mag
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