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Alex Schadenberg: Oregon citizen wants assisted suicide for people with Alzheimer's
Euthanasia Prevention Coalition ^ | 2/2/11 | Alex Schadenberg

Posted on 02/02/2011 3:59:10 PM PST by wagglebee

Rodger Winn, an Oregon citizen, wrote an article promoting the extension of assisted suicide laws to people with Alzheimer's that he titled: A matter of choice

Winn is proposing that the answer to people with Alzheimer's is to give them a lethal dose.

Since when is it a matter of choice for people who cannot ask for assisted suicide, and what happens when the person is unable to "self-administer" the lethal dose themselves. Well, self-administer is really a misnomer in Oregon because it has been defined as "to ingest" and because there is no witness required at the time of death. To ingest could mean that you swallow or that it is absorbed throught your IV.

I wonder if Winn would say that there is no fear of a slippery slope in Oregon?

Link to Winn's letter that was published on Oregon Live on Saturday, January 29, 2011.


TOPICS: Health/Medicine
KEYWORDS: alzheimers; assistedsuicide; euthanasia; moralabsolutes; oregon; prolife
I wonder if Winn would say that there is no fear of a slippery slope in Oregon?

People like Winn WANT the slippery slope.

1 posted on 02/02/2011 3:59:14 PM PST by wagglebee
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2 posted on 02/02/2011 4:01:10 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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3 posted on 02/02/2011 4:02:47 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

Rodger Winn ought to DEMONSTRATE for us what this means ~ just give him some pills and a bottle of pristine mountain water ~ he chugalugs it all down ~ we’ll be the judge of whether or not it works.


4 posted on 02/02/2011 4:11:38 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: wagglebee
Next they'll need assisted-suicide for the mentally ill, and belief in God will be defined as a delusional mental illness.
5 posted on 02/02/2011 4:35:31 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun." -- Barry Soetoro, June 11, 2008)
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To: BykrBayb; floriduh voter; Lesforlife; Sun; EternalVigilance
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6 posted on 02/02/2011 4:38:54 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Bingo.


7 posted on 02/02/2011 4:50:15 PM PST by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT!)
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To: wagglebee

I know of a woman who bragged that she sat by and watched her own father being killed because he had Alzheimer’s. People were shocked at her attitude, and she was surprised that everyone didn’t praise her for it. Later, she became her mother’s care giver when her mother developed Alzheimer’s. When her mother died, she was very quiet about the circumstances. I’ve often wondered.

I’ve noticed that people who support killing off vulnerable people usually have personal reasons for that support.


8 posted on 02/02/2011 4:52:31 PM PST by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: wagglebee

This is evil.


9 posted on 02/02/2011 4:56:31 PM PST by La Lydia
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To: wagglebee

Awful.

My grandma had alzheimer’s. We let her disease run it’s course, as awful as it was. And she died with me in her bed snuggled up to her as she drew her last breath. I hated how out of it she was, and I know she would have been embarrassed if she had any clue how she behaved in those final days. But I’m not God. Neither is my dad; there was never any talk of “pillow treatment” or anything like that So, we just had to deal with the cross we were given to carry. And that’s what we did. She was treated with respect & dignity until she died a NATURAL DEATH.


10 posted on 02/02/2011 4:57:22 PM PST by surroundedbyblue
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To: surroundedbyblue
She was treated with respect & dignity until she died a NATURAL DEATH.

Death is rarely dignified; but dignity is the way we live and a large part of that is treating the dying with dignity. There is NO dignity is hastening a person's death.

11 posted on 02/02/2011 5:08:51 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: surroundedbyblue

Death is almost always painful, in various ways. Love and respect, like that shared by your family, helps to mitigate some of that pain. Killing only magnifies the pain. The best any of us can hope for is to be surrounded by loving people when our time here is done.


12 posted on 02/02/2011 5:39:04 PM PST by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: wagglebee; Salvation

Barfing Oregon Ping list.

Please everyone, Pray for Oregon. It may well be the most messed up state in the Union.


13 posted on 02/02/2011 6:29:51 PM PST by Danae (Anailnathrach ortha bhais is beatha do cheal deanaimha)
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To: wagglebee; All

I am not a supporter of euthanasia at all, but I’ve been grappling with a difficult question lately.

People are living longer with today’s medical care, but not necessarily healthier. In many cases, it seems that we’re just spending money to keep people with irreversible medical conditions alive another week (so to speak).

I mean, what’s the point of living to one’s 80s or 90s if you’re in such poor condition? Some enjoy excellent health into their old age, but all too many don’t.

If living to 100 means that I’m senile, have poor mobility, bad hearing, or anything like that, and can’t enjoy life or contribute anything productive to society, forget about it. I’d rather just go at 70 of a quick heart attack or whatever.


14 posted on 02/02/2011 10:58:52 PM PST by Strk321
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To: wagglebee

People who are mentally impaired are not able to make decisions regarding life and death. This is wrong from every possible perspective.


15 posted on 02/03/2011 9:24:28 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham
The death mongers DO NOT CARE, they consider the disabled to be "worthless eaters" who should be killed.
16 posted on 02/03/2011 9:25:44 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Strk321
A heart attack is not the same as "assisted suicide". One might think that life without, for example, playing sports is not a life worth living, but as we age, we often find that reading a good book, going to a good movie, or sitting in the garden at twilight with a friend or loved one over a cup of tea or a glass of wine can be as wonderful as those things that we enjoyed as children and young adults.

I hope that as you continue to grapple with all of the questions and issues of life you will find that it is as precious as it is short. May God bless you, FRiend.

17 posted on 02/03/2011 9:38:54 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: BykrBayb

Right to Die = Duty to Die


18 posted on 02/03/2011 9:40:10 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: wagglebee

There’s a strange detachment there, which seems to be more widespread in our society than might have seemed possible twenty or thirty years ago.


19 posted on 02/03/2011 11:12:57 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham

“A heart attack is not the same as “assisted suicide”

That’s true; it’s not. William F. Buckley got it right, in my opinion. Had a quick heart attack while writing a column for his magazine. Not a bad way to go.

“we often find that reading a good book, going to a good movie, or sitting in the garden at twilight with a friend or loved one over a cup of tea or a glass of wine can be as wonderful as those things that we enjoyed as children and young adults.”

You can enjoy that if you’re in good health, not if you’re suffering all kinds of debilitating medical conditions.

Do you know that half of all medical expenditures in the United States are for persons over the age of 75?

“I hope that as you continue to grapple with all of the questions and issues of life you will find that it is as precious as it is short. May God bless you, FRiend.”

This particular question has really been nagging at me lately. Given that we’re all going to die eventually, it would be better to be healthy and active to the end. Unfortunately, all too many are not.


20 posted on 02/03/2011 3:55:23 PM PST by Strk321
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Do you know that half of all medical expenditures in the United States are for persons over the age of 75?

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Is that your real concern here? Do you know that someone over the age of 75 is still a human being? Do you know that despite not being in the good health of a 20 year old, that they may still find life worth living?

21 posted on 02/04/2011 5:18:19 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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Do you know that half of all medical expenditures in the United States are for persons over the age of 75?

Do you have a point in all of this?

Do you know that the overwhelming majority of the medical expenditures in the US are paid for by the patient's insurance or Medicare (which they have also paid for)?

Do you know that your "concerns" aren't exactly new?

This person suffering from hereditary defects
costs the people 60,000 Reichmarks during his lifetime.
People, that is your money. Read ‘New People’.

22 posted on 02/04/2011 6:24:40 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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Given that we’re all going to die eventually, it would be better to be healthy and active to the end. Unfortunately, all too many are not.

I'm 60 and have scoliosis with herniated disks. I'm also going blind in one eye. Are you suggesting that I'm useless?

I have 40 rose bushes that I planted in clay and rocks. It is a thing of beauty. Who are you to say who is "useful"?


23 posted on 02/04/2011 6:36:54 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
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To: DJ MacWoW

Beautiful. :)


24 posted on 02/04/2011 6:42:45 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: DJ MacWoW; trisham
The hallmark of elitism is the elitist's presumption that they are entitled to determined which people are entitled to what.
25 posted on 02/04/2011 6:47:02 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee; trisham

Yes and if they show up at my house they’ll get a face full of a shovel. :-)


26 posted on 02/04/2011 6:51:17 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
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To: wagglebee; DJ MacWoW
The hallmark of elitism is the elitist's presumption that they are entitled to determined which people are entitled to what.

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Imho, it's due to a combination of fear and contempt. Fear of aging and death, and contempt for others. Such elitists seem to be somewhat detached and lacking in empathy, although they often express their opinions as concerns for others.

27 posted on 02/04/2011 6:58:00 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: DJ MacWoW; wagglebee

Sometimes the direct approach is best. :)


28 posted on 02/04/2011 6:58:50 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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This person suffering from hereditary defects costs the people 60,000 Reichmarks during his lifetime. People, that is your money.

This is why is it soooo critical that we NEVER institute national health care. Once your health becomes the property of "the people", then your right to live becomes subject to consensus.

Assisted Suicide is a simple way to accomplish a holocaust. Just declare people incompetent and then the state can make the decision to assist them in their suicide.

Socialism will ultimately always end in holocaust. When people go on the public dole, they become the property of the state, and when you become a burden to your owner, you the owner can always find a way to gently put you out to pasture... and shoot you to put you out of your misery.

Liberalism Kills. Never forget that.

29 posted on 02/04/2011 7:04:43 AM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: trisham

I have often found that to be true. It saves time too.


30 posted on 02/04/2011 7:05:06 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
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To: P-Marlowe
Outstanding post!
31 posted on 02/04/2011 7:08:35 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee; P-Marlowe; DJ MacWoW
Outstanding post!

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Agreed!

32 posted on 02/04/2011 7:22:45 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: DJ MacWoW

We all have such busy lives these days. :)


33 posted on 02/04/2011 7:23:19 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: wagglebee

My mother is very ill. Congestive heart failure, other complications, etc. She has made it clear and in no uncertain terms that she wants her DNR enforced. No ventilators for assisted breathing either. She’s only 66. She’s a nurse and spent the bulk of her 35 plus years working with the elderly. She has seen literally hundreds of terminally ill patients waste away over the last few months of their lives and wants no part of that for herself. She’s of sound mind and made her preferences clear. Who am I to act against them? Still, this is a struggle.


34 posted on 02/04/2011 7:31:31 AM PST by strider44
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To: strider44
A person has every right to have a DNR or medical directive against ventilators. This IS NOT incompatible with being pro-life because they do not necessarily end a person's life.

The difference comes when measures are taken (deliberate overdoses or other medications designed to end life, removal of nutrition and hydration) that will only result in death.

35 posted on 02/04/2011 7:37:08 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: strider44; wagglebee

My M-i-L had polio as a child. Her parents were told that she’d never walk again but she did. She “burned new pathways”. She broke her ankle when she was 82. She was in a wheelchair for 6 weeks. When they tried to stand her up again, the 79 year old “new” pathways had stopped working. She never walked again. When she contracted pneumonia they wanted to put her on a ventilator. We said an emphatic “NO”. The reasoning was that her legs had quit working so we had no way of knowing if she’d ever be able to breath without the ventilator again. She made it until she was 88. There is NOTHING that isn’t pro-life in the choices we made. We were not trying to actively kill her and we absolutely were thinking of her future and quality of life.


36 posted on 02/04/2011 8:01:39 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
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To: trisham
We all have such busy lives these days. :)

That include shovels. lol

37 posted on 02/04/2011 8:03:19 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
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To: P-Marlowe

Well said.


38 posted on 02/04/2011 6:06:35 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: wagglebee

Our entire culture is so super saturated with death, it is beyond depressing!!
Choose life, PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!! That you and your descendants might live!!!


39 posted on 02/04/2011 6:12:09 PM PST by Lesforlife (Fighting to end abortion in my lifetime!)
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To: wagglebee

Not only do they want the slippery slope, they want the great leap off into the abyss. But they want it for others, not (just) themselves.


40 posted on 02/04/2011 7:18:28 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: All
Pinged from Terri Dailies


41 posted on 02/06/2011 2:11:18 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

So, government assisted murder, in other words? Hasn’t that been tried in places like Germany and the USSR. I think China practices this..


42 posted on 02/06/2011 7:23:50 PM PST by tuckrdout ( A fool vents all his feelings, but a wise man holds them back. Prov.29:11)
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To: trisham

“Do you know that despite not being in the good health of a 20 year old, that they may still find life worth living?”

I know. I just feel sad that so many suffer. I wish something could be actually done for them more substantially than just patching the person up, so to speak. Please don’t get me wrong. I don’t believe in assisted suicide. Your life is between you and the man upstairs.


43 posted on 02/14/2011 2:50:19 AM PST by Strk321
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To: wagglebee

“A person has every right to have a DNR or medical directive against ventilators. This IS NOT incompatible with being pro-life because they do not necessarily end a person’s life.”

True. Although you could end up like Ariel Sharon (ie. braindead, but your organs still function without life support machines attached). What then? There’s no real answer to a situation like that.


44 posted on 02/14/2011 3:10:19 AM PST by Strk321
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To: DJ MacWoW

Not at all. You’re still able to be active and do something you love doing.


45 posted on 02/14/2011 3:13:01 AM PST by Strk321
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To: wagglebee

Ah, that was a heartbreaking episode. Here was a woman that maybe couldn’t speak, but otherwise was fully conscious and aware of her surroundings. We could have saved her, but sadly failed.


46 posted on 02/14/2011 3:17:00 AM PST by Strk321
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To: trisham

“Do you know that someone over the age of 75 is still a human being?”

Absolutely. Unfortunately, society doesn’t value people that age the way they should. An example would be the mandatory retirement age of 65 that many companies have, which is essentially equivalent to euthanizing someone.

I admire anyone who can still work and be productive into their old age. To me, it means you did something right with your life and aren’t a quitter.


47 posted on 02/14/2011 3:40:31 AM PST by Strk321
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