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New York City Democrats Remove Yet Another Right: No Smoking In Parks
http://wmbriggs.com/blog/?p=3433 ^ | William M. Briggs

Posted on 02/03/2011 5:27:59 AM PST by mattstat

The party that ever has “Rights!” on its lips, the party with the mania about diversity, the party that is most anxious that religious fundamentalists will take over and impose their puritanical wills on the rest of us, the party whose members remind us constantly of the dangers of the government meddling in our personal lives has, in a fit holy self righteousness, taken away yet another right, decreased diversity, imposed its puritanical will on the rest of us, and has used the law to meddle in our personal lives once more.

New York City Council Democrats have voted to ban smoking in city parks, beaches, pools, boardwalks, and, if it can be believed, marinas. Mayor Bloomberg, a man with much money and therefore with a near infinite belief in his infallibility, has said he will sign the new restrictions, and will do so with a smile on his face. One imagines it will resemble that of the Grinch’s.

Why did they take away the right to smoke in public? According to Speaker Christine C. Quinn, a Democrat, “The statistics don’t lie: second hand smoke kills. With this bill, all New Yorkers can now breathe easier and breathe cleaner air.” My dear lady, as a statistician I can tell you that if this is what the statistics are saying, then they are lying. A nasty habit, but one not unfamiliar to most statistics.

No council member mentioned that residents will still breath air polluted from tens of thousands of cars of which, even just one vehicle, in a single sight-seeing trip across our narrow isle, will pump out more “carcinogens” than an inveterate smoker can do in a week. Perhaps we should keep quiet about this, lest the government get ideas.

Another council member, Democrat Gale Brewer, said of her part in restricting her constituents’ behavior, that her vote “will help New Yorkers become healthier.” Ah, health. The modern be all and end all. This strange and recent worship of body is present perhaps because of the feminization of politics, or perhaps it is because of the increase of mothers and mamma’s boys (Bloomberg?) elected to office, or perhaps it is because of increasing secularization which teaches this is it!: miss your chance to be healthy now, and you miss out for all eternity.


TOPICS: Health/Medicine; Politics
KEYWORDS: bans; newyorkcity; smoking

1 posted on 02/03/2011 5:28:05 AM PST by mattstat
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To: mattstat

Less freedom and less money for the guy who goes to work everyday at a non government job is the solution to every problem.


2 posted on 02/03/2011 5:30:02 AM PST by Darteaus94025
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To: mattstat

Second hand smoke does not cause cancer. Its questionable if first hand smoke does. This is just Dems being Stalinists.


3 posted on 02/03/2011 5:30:49 AM PST by bray (Palin's Army is at Valley Forge.)
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To: mattstat
No Smoking In Parks

This is ALL about the city reaping the $50 from the fines they write up. Being in a park while someone is smoking has nothing on standing on the corner of 42nd street inhaling the fumes of buses, etc.

What a load of crap!

4 posted on 02/03/2011 5:32:37 AM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: mattstat
New York, the Big Apple Brother.
5 posted on 02/03/2011 5:34:23 AM PST by windsorknot
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To: mattstat

The Democrat Crime Syndicate: control, rape, pillage, kill.


6 posted on 02/03/2011 5:37:19 AM PST by PGalt
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To: Puppage

You might be right, Puppage. But the coffers will also take a hit when the coughers smoke less. The city takes in a huge amount on its penurious cigarette tax.


7 posted on 02/03/2011 5:38:08 AM PST by mattstat
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To: mattstat

Well, they do have a point. Remember, the Fuehrer opposed smoking and for the exact same reasons!


8 posted on 02/03/2011 5:38:35 AM PST by 17th Miss Regt
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To: mattstat

The liberals need to join with their muslim brothers and just make smoking a stoning offense!


9 posted on 02/03/2011 5:42:20 AM PST by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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To: mattstat

They will have to change the name to Utopia City. Utopia through Life Management By Liberal Tyrants.


10 posted on 02/03/2011 5:44:40 AM PST by screaminsunshine (Surfers Rule)
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To: mattstat

Yeah, well guess what.........not just NYC. I live in Raleigh, NC; the heart of Tobacco Road...and our idiotic city council just passed the exact same law. Can’t smoke in parks.

Morons. Let me see ‘em enforce it in this neck of the woods.


11 posted on 02/03/2011 5:59:57 AM PST by RightOnline
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To: mattstat
But the coffers will also take a hit when the coughers smoke less. The city takes in a huge amount on its penurious cigarette tax.

And, that's the other side of the issue. If they REALLY wanted to "save" us all, they could just ban smoking entirely.

However, they don't want to "save" us badly enough to lose the gazillions in taxes.

12 posted on 02/03/2011 6:06:43 AM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: mattstat

New Yorkers did it to themselves. They think they are tough and scrappy but yet they let their freedoms be leeched from them without a whimper by leftists.


13 posted on 02/03/2011 6:29:39 AM PST by Bitsy
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To: mattstat

Smoking is not a right.


14 posted on 02/03/2011 6:40:50 AM PST by GingisK
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To: GingisK

Nor is driving. But, let the city ban THAT activity, and watch the storm that will certainly brew from that. Smoking, however, is an easy target because it has been labeled as “evil”.
Just makes me want to go find a good cigar, ya know.


15 posted on 02/03/2011 6:50:05 AM PST by freep_toad
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To: bray

“Second hand smoke does not cause cancer. Its questionable if first hand smoke does.”

I grew up in a house where both parents were heavy smokers. I was diagnosed with tongue cancer as an adult. 97% of people with tongue cancer are either smokers or heavy drinkers. I was neither. And by the way, my father died of lung cancer. So take your delusions somewhere else.


16 posted on 02/03/2011 7:01:50 AM PST by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: mattstat
I don't mind if smokers smoke,..but...I sure do wish they would pick up their butts!

Three examples:

** My husband and I were visiting the Hagley Museum ( A DuPont estate) just outside Wilmington, Delaware. It is famous for its magnificent and pristine gardens. We were walking down a perfectly lovely and manicured garden path and a smoker just in front of us dropped her cigarette, ground the butt into the walk, and just left it there.

** By August, the beach at Rehoboth Beach, Delaware, is thick with cigarette butts. The beach cleaning tractors can't sift through them. It was disgusting to bring my pre-schoolers to that beach. We usually went to Dewy or Cape Henlopen state parks. For some reason these state park beaches don't seem to attract as many piggy smokers.

** One day I was sitting in my car waiting for my husband who was making a purchase in in the local carry-out. A smoker just flips his butt on the ground and leaves it there. Isn't he aware that the store owner must **pay** people to clean that up, or that he must do it himself?

So...Smokers. I don't care if you smoke, just don't be a pig about it!

17 posted on 02/03/2011 7:23:09 AM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid!)
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To: freep_toad

I will be writing an article on this.

I am a non-smoker, but I believe that smokers should be able to smoke in any business that permits them (same as with guns), that they should be able to carry or smoke in the public areas that they pay for with their taxes.


18 posted on 02/03/2011 8:13:10 AM PST by BenKenobi (one of the worst mistakes anybody can make is to bet against Americans.")
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To: SVTCobra03

I grew up in a house that had a 3 pack a day smoker and have no lung problems so take your story elsewhere. There are plenty of people who have lung cancer and never smoked. There is no proof of second hand smoke causing cancer let alone outside. Pure Stalinism.


19 posted on 02/03/2011 8:27:46 AM PST by bray (Palin's Army is at Valley Forge.)
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To: GingisK

GingisK, Smoking is too a right.


20 posted on 02/03/2011 10:10:50 AM PST by mattstat
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To: mattstat
Smoking is too a right.

No, it is not. Try to find it in the Constitution.

Furthermore, smokers are pigs. People tire of cigarette butts on every square food of the planet. They stink, too.

I think they should ban all smoking except for within your own home.

People can come to my house and discuss politics. That is a right. Nobody can smoke in my home, for they have not been granted that privilege.

21 posted on 02/03/2011 10:47:56 AM PST by GingisK
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To: GingisK
Smoking is not a right.

It absolutely, most certainly is!

Where in the Constitution is the government permitted to stop consumption of tobacco?

The exaggerated danger from 2nd hand smoke is as much a myth as "global warming".

22 posted on 02/03/2011 11:38:26 AM PST by Caipirabob ( Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: GingisK; mattstat
No, it is not. Try to find it in the Constitution.

You don't seem to understand how the Constitution works.

It grants the Federal government limited powers. That which is not specified is not within the power of the Federal government.

Smoking is a right.

23 posted on 02/03/2011 11:43:04 AM PST by Caipirabob ( Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: mattstat

Ah, das gut. Wunderbar.

Why should smokers be allowed to light up.

Even the sight of a smoker smoking has been known to cause Trauma in little kids and their moms.

Plus, think of the revenues.


24 posted on 02/03/2011 11:43:44 AM PST by swarthyguy (KIDS! Deficit, Debt,Taxes! Pfft Lookit the bright side of our legacy -America is almost SmokFrei!)
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To: freep_toad
There are people who've become so sensitive due to propaganda that they actually believe if they smell a Cig they'll get cancer.
Some don't/refuse to remember the car exhausts of the 70's.

I can't imagine going through life so paranoid.

25 posted on 02/03/2011 1:11:25 PM PST by MaxMax
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To: GingisK
BAN FARTING! Gov must mandate the plugging of all human buttholes because methane KILLS Babies.

Ridiculous.

26 posted on 02/03/2011 1:14:16 PM PST by MaxMax
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To: Caipirabob
Smoking is a right.

I do know how the Constitution works. Smoking is not a protected right. It is a common everyday run-of-the-mill personnal activity. Look up "rights".

Wikipedia:

Rights are legal, social, or ethical principles of freedom or entitlement; that is, rights are the fundamental normative rules about what is allowed of people or owed to people, according to some legal system, social convention, or ethical theory. Rights are of essential importance in such disciplines as law and ethics, especially theories of justice and deontology. Rights are often considered fundamental to civilization, being regarded as established pillars of society and culture, and the history of social conflicts can be found in the history of each right and its development. The connection between rights and struggle cannot be overstated — rights are not as much granted or endowed as they are fought for and claimed, and the essence of struggles past and ancient are encoded in the spirit of current concepts of rights and their modern formulations.

How is smoking fundamental to the pillars of society and governance?

27 posted on 02/03/2011 4:30:09 PM PST by GingisK
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To: GingisK
Smoking is not a protected right. It is a common everyday run-of-the-mill personnal activity.

Sorry, it's a right. It's my God given right to smoke if I want to. The Constitution does not need to specify it. I'm an American, it's implied.

28 posted on 02/03/2011 7:27:27 PM PST by Caipirabob ( Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Caipirabob
Sorry, it's a right. It's my God given right...

First, I don't think God approves of voluntary destruction of your body. Second, it simply is not a right in the sense of the Bill of Rights, or any other implied rights.

Your rights end where those of others begin. I know smoking becomes a real "hang up" with people; but, surely you don't think that smoking is in the same league as actual rights? I can assure you, the government is well within its power to regulate smoking, but not within its power to deny free speech.

Smokers are pigs. They typically have no respect for their own Nation, as proven by the cigarette butts all over the place. That is a slap in your country's face. It is also a severe irritation to non smokers. I have a right clean air.

29 posted on 02/03/2011 7:46:00 PM PST by GingisK
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To: BenKenobi
I will be writing an article on this.

Please ping me to your article

30 posted on 02/04/2011 4:32:03 AM PST by libertarian27 (Ingsoc: Department of Life, Department of Liberty, Department of Happiness)
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To: libertarian27

Ok, I submitted my article yesterday.

You’ve been sent a copy.


31 posted on 02/04/2011 6:01:41 AM PST by BenKenobi (one of the worst mistakes anybody can make is to bet against Americans.")
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