Skip to comments.63 MPGs – just not for us…
Posted on 02/06/2011 1:40:33 PM PST by MulberryDraw
The new Mini Cooper Countryman can get 63 MPGs on the highway just not on our highways.
Like so many other high-mileage, diesel-powered vehicles, its not available in the United States. Instead we get gas-electric turkeys like the Toyota Prius hybrid which maxes out at 48 MPGs on the highway. If you drive it at around 47 MPH in the left lane with your turn signal blinking
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It’s getting to a point where we need to tell the Left to piss off.
The way to beat a terrorist is to terrorize him.
Dang government anyway. Volkswagon makes a turbocharged TDi diesel, I’d love to put in my Jeep once the 3.8l engine gives up the ghost.
President Sarah Palin...
I have a Perkins diesel haybine. The thing runs wide open for ten hours on six gallons of diesel fuel. An amazing engine. I tore the alternator out of the thing and don’t even use an electrical system. Once it starts, it never needs any electricity.
I don’t think it is government’s job to tell us what we can or cannot drive but I do support freedom of choice in vehicles. IIRC, the 1970’s era Honda Civic got 50 MPG or close to it using standard technology much like this diesel Mini-Cooper. Heck, the 1960 Ford Falcon got 30 MPG, great for its time.
The primary purpose of the current EPA and Administration is power and control. Actual benefits to the environment and MPG increases are secondary.
That's simply a lie which adds nothing useful to Peters' article. Clearly, Peters isn't interested in fuel economy; he's interested in political disinformation propaganda. Too bad, because that Mini is a great little car as are the new diesels that Audi and VW are making.
The problem is the very low rpm the diesel engines run at. You need a X2 multiplier between the flywheel and gearbox. I looked into dropping my Perkins into my truck and it does not turn fast enough.
I had a diesel Rabbit when they first came out. Great little car, and it handled well. That one got around 45 MPG, without doing anything fancy to improve the mileage.
No, you need a gearbox designed for a diesel and you likely need to change your rear end gearing.
With the torque that diesel produce, if you put a transmission designed for a gasoline engine on a diesel drivetrain, you’ll soon be replacing the transmission.
This was seen in the diesel pickups that the Big Three produce quite easily. GM had to have Allison produce an automatic tranny that would last in a 250 to 300+HP diesel. Ford Powerstrokes used to eat automatic trannies early on.
In my F-350 Powerstroke, it is running a ZF-6 6-speed tranny and a 3.73 rear. I might well put a splitter box ahead of the tranny to get 12 speeds out of that and higher fuel mileage in the future.
Just another example of how the radical environmentalist Marxists are not really concerned about the environment. The environment, like “the children” is just the latest tool.
The US, last I read, has the tightest regulations on diesel emissions in the world, thus the reason we have relatively few options to choose from.
Sloppy reporting is the problem.
The Mini Cooper Countryman gets that high of a rating in UK. Of course there are two serious problems with this:
1) The Imperial gallon is 20% larger than the US gallon. That means in US gallons, this vehicle would get a rating of 53 mpg.
2) The European test standards are notoriously optimistic, while ours are pessimistic. The Prius is given a rating of 61 miles per US gallon according to their tests.
In other words, this guy is out crying that this car we can’t have gets better mileage than a Prius, when in fact it gets worse.
Not sure on the civic but I know my 4 door 86(?) geo metro got 64mpg on the highway. Damned shame it got crushed when a drunk driver in a F-150 ran a stop sign cause the ‘99 two door chevy metro I replaced it with only gets about 30.
For the money that one would spend on the idiotic Chevy Volt, a car buyer could have higher MPG’s with a Audi A4.
And it would be a better handling, better driving car, too.
Audi has announced that the *might* introduce a US version of the A4 by the 2015 model year.
We used to joke about using specific exits on the freeway base on having a down-sloping on ramp.
Yet another bit overlooked on a lot of people’s part... Hybrids get their best efficiency with stop-and-go traffic, when the driver is slow on the gas and brake.
Step on the gas, and the gasoline engine still has to work. Easy on the throttle and it runs nearly completely on the electric (thus the mpg rating).
I have known several people who owned a Prius - they were disappointed that their MPG was not all that better than their previous car (one was a Honda Civic). They didn’t alter their driving habits. Still jackrabbit starts, and their morning/evening commute involved about half as highway miles. The price premium paid for the hybrid just wasn’t worth it to them.
Contrast that with a good diesel - they get their mpg with relatively little variation (at least compared to the hybrid). I know several happy VW Jetta TDi owners who happily drive just like always - and get well over 40mpg on the highway, and around 30mpg in city driving. What is interesting - the EPA numbers on the Jetta have always been way under what most I know have actually seen. Funny- most gas engine autos I have owned - the EPA numbers have been about right, or a little high. Another example of the EPA being biased AGAINST diesels? Hmmm....
I also know that the diesel emissions standards actually cause them to get less mpg. Seems that if you reduce the emissions by - say 10%, but reduce the mpg by 15%, you burn 15% more fuel, which negates the less emissions per gallon burned...
He’s crying about not being able to get a Mini? Diesel or otherwise. I don’t want a damned Mini. I’m 5’10” and I like a Jeep. Someone remind me what country we’re in again?
1992 Isuzu pickup. The Perkins engine is a four cylinder normally aspirated 75 BHP model. The Isuzu is a four cylinder, carbuerated, manual five speed, 2WD model with 275,000 miles on it. The Isuzu engine used to run around 100HP until it started losing compression (it’s giving me a lot of blow-by). I planned on RTF on the Isuzu engine.
I worked for a bank at the time and did the daily report runs to the branches in a Honda Civic. Great gas mileage and a blast to drive. That little thing hauled!
Stop wasting extra gas making ethanol and adding to good unleaded gas, and start making more clean diesel and make cars with diesel engines (or bring them over) that get really good mileage.
Much discussed by many. CARB (California Air Resources Board) is the biggest problem and they are egged on by EPA.
Every country in the world uses diesel vehicles but the US and all because Calif. is such a big market and CARB denies the use of diesels.
A Subaru Outback in the UK will get in the 40’s (US gallons per US mile), the BMW diesel screams and gets great mileage. You can import parts and in some states re-engine to a JDM diesel on your own and have a 4WD pickup project that gets 30 mpg.
Dream on, you can’t have better fuel economy because EPA and CARB say you can’t.
Craigslist, you might find another one.
Yeah, but its NOT a Prius.
there’s a feller in GA who has devised a way to put them into an F-150. he has several videos of his creation on youtube..i think he sells plans to illustrate how exactly to do it...
I have a 2010 Prius and love it. In the summer, I have gotten as high as 65 mpg and that is on the highway averaging over 50 mph. In the winter (South Dakota) I am getting just over 40 except for longer trips.
I ended up using a Geo Metro once as a rental car, and that 60 mpg rating went down to about 35 at 70 mph. Not to mention it felt like I was riding a sewing machine.
I had a 1980 VW Rabbit diesel that got around 45 mpg in the city and 55 mpg on the highway. Loud as all get out, but it had pretty good pick up and it was not painful at all to fill it up!!
We had a diesel VW Rabbit too. Great little car, we needed something bigger when child #2 came along, so got a Jetta.
All you need to know about taxes and MPG...right here..
>1) The Imperial gallon is 20% larger than the US gallon. That means in US gallons, this vehicle would get a rating of 53 mpg.
Did they use the Imperial Gallon in the testing/converting though? England has been on the metric system (meters and ‘litres’) for a good while now and, IIRC, about the only thing using Imperial Gallons is beer-brewing — it is actually quite probable the MPG used *is* miles per US gallon.
What’s a haybine?
The problem is that Joe Isuzu is in charge of the EPA, and the rest of the government for that matter.
That may very well be true. Even with the tax credit, the Volt doesn't seem to make financial sense but the author wasn't lying about a Chevy Volt. Just like one doesn't get to make up one's own facts, one doesn't get to make up one's own reality, at least not if one wants to be taken seriously, by serious people about serious issues. Unfortunately, there is an increasingly large segment of the right, especially the right in media, which feels at least as free to make up alternate, often absurd, realities as the left does. I suspect it is about viewers/readers and thus money, but whatever its purpose, it does rational conservatism no favor.
>Whats a haybine?
Looks like a ‘combine’ specifically designed for hay.
It doesn’t appear to be street legal.
Government is the problem 90% of the time. The green commies don’t want successful solutions like the Diesel because they are highly vested in their croney companies like GE that stand to capitalize on the forced use of electric vehicles in the US.
I've heard the third generation 2010s are better than the second generation ones. But I've had a similar experience with my 2009, as high as 63 mpg in the summer and over 40 mpg once it's warmed up commuting 11 miles to the office at -8 to 0 degrees this winter. When the lease is up in 11 months, I'll get another one and I may get rid of the AWD Buick I've got and get another Prius for She Who Must Be Obeyed!
I call mine the forever car ‘84 Turbo 273,000 mi...just broke it in...
“I looked into dropping my Perkins into my truck and it does not turn fast enough.”
Guy I worked for 30 yrs ago had a 4 cyl Perkins and a 9 spd trans in a 68-72 Chevy pickup. He said it got 30 something on the road.
Go to Fordtrucks.com /’73-79 Dentsides and search for user name “Perky.” Look at his gallery. I think he is running the 6cyl (~354 cu-in).
A machine shop in San Antonio TX built and sold a lot of adapters to do the swap.
The biggest problem with the Perkins these days is availability and cost of parts.
I would look real hard at the 4bta and 6bta Cummins. Check Diesel Truck Resource, Turbodieselregister, Fordtrucks, 4bt swaps, and I think there is a Cummins-swaps.
You will find mine on some of them but not under this screen name. 400 hp 6bta in a 4x4 extended cab and 20 mpg.
If someone wanted to do a truly efficient “hybrid” they would use a relatively small direct injected turbo diesel turning an 3 phase alternator and “track motors” like locomotives use.
I remember those, my mother drove a diesel VW Passat.. I also remember finding diesel stations was a challenge at the time.
The 63 mpg claim is what Mini claims on their UK website. That means imperial gallons were used. Believe it or not, the car companies still advertise mpg there.
You had to know ahead of time where the diesel stations were, and plan carefully not to run out of fuel.
I assume you’ve seen the HPA Motorsports site where they’ve done this, and are selling conversion kits, all the way up to including crate motors and installation?
I have a 2006 Prius and love it too. I’ve never owned a better car. It’s never been to the dealer. In Colorado I average 53 MPG in summer and around 45 MPG in winter. I remember one trip from Colorado Springs to Aspen, up and over Independence Pass - 12095 ft. Total miles 240, it took 4 gallons of gas to fill up. My extended warranty is to 8 years or 120,000 miles so I won’t be back to the dealer for awhile.
>If someone wanted to do a truly efficient hybrid they would use a relatively small direct injected turbo diesel turning an 3 phase alternator and track motors like locomotives use.
Indeed. Though I wonder how well a hydraulic drive-system would do (esp if it could be, in effect, an auto-tuning infinitely-variable transmission); you could even put on each wheel it’s own hydraulic motor.
Thanks for posting this. No I didn’t know about their conversions. Unfortunately for me, they only do the YJ not the JK, which mine is. Not that much of a difference, so it’s still good info. Thanks again.
I’d chat with them if you’re serious about it. I don’t know much about Jeeps, but there might not be much difference.
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