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Obamacare vs. No-fault divorce
http://considerandhearme.wordpress.com ^ | 02/10/2011 | considerandhearme

Posted on 02/10/2011 4:22:54 AM PST by mbeaven

"The new healthcare law can make certain things more difficult, but family life will still happen. And that is what is most important."

"After the passage of no-fault divorce (thank you Ronald Regan), children are often not raised in a stable two-parent home. Traditional marriage, as an institution, is in retreat."

http://considerandhearme.wordpress.com/2011/02/10/obamacare-vs-no-fault-divorce/

(Excerpt) Read more at considerandhearme.wordpress.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; Health/Medicine; Politics
KEYWORDS: divorce; healthcare; obama; regan
I am looking for good, honest feedback. Not mean comments. This was posted under bloggers. If you don't want people to post under bloggers, remove that thread. This author is looking to improve so real feedback upon the writing/subject is important.
1 posted on 02/10/2011 4:22:56 AM PST by mbeaven
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To: mbeaven
"I am looking for good, honest feedback. Not mean comments."

It's really simple. Just post your work here, and we'll read it and discuss it.

By excerpting, you make it look like you're just pimping for hits.
2 posted on 02/10/2011 4:25:36 AM PST by shibumi (I am The Nexus One - I want more life, Baby I aint done!)
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To: mbeaven

Sorry, I don’t click on blog links - I’ll read if you post the entire thing. Also, I don’t like being lectured to by newbies.


3 posted on 02/10/2011 4:30:43 AM PST by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (Green Bay Packers - SuperBowl 45 champs)
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To: shibumi

How do you get pictures and captions posted here too?


4 posted on 02/10/2011 4:31:34 AM PST by mbeaven (Divorce Stats)
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To: mbeaven
If that's a serious question, I'll answer it in Private Mail. The short answer is, you have to use HTML code.



(The hidden truth - It's a deep dark secret Pirate Ritual!)

5 posted on 02/10/2011 4:38:47 AM PST by shibumi (I am The Nexus One - I want more life, Baby I aint done!)
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To: mbeaven

Interesting article. And please note, not everyone (by a long shot) cares about people using excerpts to help promote their blogs. It takes no effort to click a mouse. I’ve discovered a lot of cool blogs this way which I never would have checked out otherwise.


6 posted on 02/10/2011 4:39:54 AM PST by circlecity
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To: mbeaven

Just for starters -

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2592886/posts

If you need further assistance, PM me.


7 posted on 02/10/2011 5:00:25 AM PST by shibumi (I am The Nexus One - I want more life, Baby I aint done!)
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To: mbeaven

I don’t agree that no-fault divorce is at fault for the decline of marriage as in instituion. The reason is that if someone is in a situation to which they are not committed, and divorce is difficult, they do other things that will get them out of it, one way or another, or not get into it in the first place to avoid legal problems down the road.

Here in New York, the last state to move toward no-fault divorce, the debate is fresh and the practices involved to get out of an unwanted marriage have been laid out on the table. They range from purposeful adultry to abandonment and colusion to falsify things that happened in the marriage in order to just get out of it. And divorces still happened here in New York at comparable averages when they were more difficult to get.

The cause of the decline in marriage as an institution is a change in culture. Part of it is empowerment to not stay in abusive or one-sided relationships, and the other part of it is an unwillingness to rebuild upon the rubble from the curveballs life throws at us.

From a personal perspective, I grew up with parents who likely should have called it quits because they were so distracted with the emotional upheaval going on, on a near constant basis, that they were not attentive parents, and my sister and I did not get the ‘cultivation’ into adulthood we needed to have the best chances in life. I am not insulting my parents, they are spectacular people, and especially my mother could have been an outstanding parent if it were not for being human and having to cope with being in a bad marriage and raise two kids at the same time.

When it got to be my turn, I ended up in the same kind of marriage and it was much worse. There was no physical abuse, but there was plenty of emotional abuse, laziness and alcohol involved, and I got the point where I just couldn’t take it any longer. I ended up as the blacksheep in the family because I didn’t fit the mold of taking whatever that lazy drunk who refused to admit he had a problem, let alone do something about it for the sake of our daughter handed me. But I had a child to raise, needed to focus on that and he made it impossible.

And of course, I went and made it worse as far as what my family thought of me and remarried. I married someone who wanted to be a dad and he did all of the dad kind of things for and with my daughter, and that is the kind of family life, stable and secure without all the upheaval, I wanted for her. We’ve been together now for 17 years and even though we’ve had the curveballs thrown at us, I wouldn’t change a thing.


8 posted on 02/10/2011 5:41:02 AM PST by dajeeps
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To: circlecity
d please note, not everyone (by a long shot) cares about people using excerpts to help promote their blogs.

Amen. The belief that no reading is better than reading that might require one of them onerous mouse clicks is a mental disorder.

9 posted on 02/10/2011 5:52:16 AM PST by Minn
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To: mbeaven; humblegunner; Eaker; Allegra; Larry Lucido; thackney; Salamander; TheOldLady; ...
My apologies. With my previous comment:

"By excerpting, you make it look like you're just pimping for hits."

and the accompanying offer of help, I presumed a certain amount of petulant sincerity in your desire to engage in discussion. I had completely forgotten the fact that you already outed yourself here, with your callous use of a fradulent headline, justified by the hit counts it got on your crapblog.

Well, you now have the link to the HTML Sandbox, so we'll see if you really want to engage in discussion, or drum up another excuse to pimp for hits on FreeRepublic. (Although I would suspect that the one-note-samba of divorce law is going to have a limited market here.)
10 posted on 02/10/2011 6:04:00 AM PST by shibumi (I am The Nexus One - I want more life, Baby I aint done!)
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To: mbeaven
This was posted under bloggers.

No, it wasn't posted at all. It was excerpted.

11 posted on 02/10/2011 6:07:23 AM PST by humblegunner (Blogger Overlord)
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To: mbeaven
(thank you Ronald Regan)

Any relation to Ronald Reagan?

12 posted on 02/10/2011 6:08:12 AM PST by humblegunner (Blogger Overlord)
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To: mbeaven
You will get more feedback if you will actually post the information. I'll help you out.

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President Obama’s healthcare law (Obamacare) does a lot of things — but it is most known for putting control of healthcare into the government’s hands and for requiring everyone to own a health insurance policy (universal mandate). There is good reason many are concerned — increased healthcare costs, increased taxes, and the problem of what to do with the sick when the money is gone. But when everything is all said and done, people will still be born, they will still be raised by their parents, learn, grow, eventually marry and have kids, grow old, and die. The new healthcare law can make certain things more difficult, but family life will still happen. And that is what is most important.

Regan's no-fault divorce has destroyed the fabric of American life, strong families.
Now contrast Obamacare with no-fault divorce. Before no-fault divorce, divorce was difficult. There needed to be evidence of wrong-doing and it was even more difficult if both parties did not consent. After the passage of no-fault divorce (thank you Ronald Regan), children are often not raised in a stable two-parent home. Traditional marriage, as an institution, is in retreat. The whim of one infects all. It doesn’t matter what the other partner wants. It doesn’t matter what is the best for the children. All that matters is that one person is free to pursue their own selfish will. Children no longer have mom or dad (or suffer from custody fights) and they endure all the results of losing a parent. We know the statistics about suicide, about academic failure, about behavior problems, crime, etc.

The fact of the matter is that, under Obamacare, people will continue to live their lives much as men have for the past generations. With no-fault divorce, we change the family and the world we live. Significantly.

So why do the state legislatures, courts, and congress ignore this real evil that needs to be addressed?

13 posted on 02/10/2011 6:12:59 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer (biblein90days.org))
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To: mbeaven

Feedback to what? All you posted was a broadside against Reagan. Is there more you’d like to post?


14 posted on 02/10/2011 6:13:30 AM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: shibumi

Anyone opposed to divorce is invited to spend a week with my ex-wife.

Then we’ll talk.


15 posted on 02/10/2011 6:22:40 AM PST by humblegunner (Blogger Overlord)
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To: humblegunner; mbeaven
"...Ronald Regan..."

mbeaven's conservative creds are a bit tarnished there, no?

16 posted on 02/10/2011 6:24:36 AM PST by TheOldLady ("20 Years Ago Desert Storm began...where were you...?" "I believe I was hitting it." - Lazamataz)
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To: humblegunner

Ex-wife?

I’ve got a couple of those around ..... somewhere .....


17 posted on 02/10/2011 6:25:59 AM PST by shibumi (I am The Nexus One - I want more life, Baby I aint done!)
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To: TheOldLady; mbeaven; humblegunner

Pimping has no politics.


18 posted on 02/10/2011 6:27:17 AM PST by shibumi (I am The Nexus One - I want more life, Baby I aint done!)
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To: shibumi

Ex-wife mood music...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBorwKJ_Ibw


19 posted on 02/10/2011 6:28:07 AM PST by humblegunner (Blogger Overlord)
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To: shibumi

Pimping pretends to have the politics of the venue.


20 posted on 02/10/2011 6:32:02 AM PST by TheOldLady ("20 Years Ago Desert Storm began...where were you...?" "I believe I was hitting it." - Lazamataz)
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To: humblegunner

So........... are ya out yet?


21 posted on 02/10/2011 6:32:07 AM PST by Ditter
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To: mbeaven; thackney; shibumi
Thanks for the post thackney and for the information shibumi.

mbeaven, you asked for honest feedback so here it is: this is probably one of the most poorly written pieces I've read in a very long time. Poorly constructed sentences and changes in verb tense mid sentence do not make this easy to read. For me, it was like listening to the rejects on American Idol. Your writing is equivilent to the screeching of the loosers thinking they can sing.

22 posted on 02/10/2011 6:36:18 AM PST by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (Green Bay Packers - SuperBowl 45 champs)
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To: shibumi

Sensei! Two-time loser? You got me beat. I only have one ex-hubby, and that was 45 years ago.


23 posted on 02/10/2011 6:37:24 AM PST by TheOldLady ("20 Years Ago Desert Storm began...where were you...?" "I believe I was hitting it." - Lazamataz)
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To: TheOldLady

Third time - DING! DING! DING!


24 posted on 02/10/2011 6:39:11 AM PST by shibumi (I am The Nexus One - I want more life, Baby I aint done!)
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To: shibumi
Jackpot! The Charm! At Last Love!
25 posted on 02/10/2011 6:43:28 AM PST by TheOldLady ("20 Years Ago Desert Storm began...where were you...?" "I believe I was hitting it." - Lazamataz)
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To: dajeeps
Great comment on #8. I can sooooo relate, but I have 4 kids. I agree with you in that the decline of marriage is due to cultural changes, with the biggest problem being that we WANT from our spouse and we expect to receive it. If we give, with no expectation of anything in return, we receive 10 fold. Few give without expecting something in return. Obviously emotionally whole people can only give without expecting something, and for two of these kinds of people to find each other, it is rare. Selfishness has become the norm and you can't be in a good marriage and be selfish. Selfishness means me against him/her and never can the “two shall become one” thing happen. Good for you on the “I wouldn't change a thing”.
26 posted on 02/10/2011 6:49:15 AM PST by LuvFreeRepublic (Support our military or leave. I will help you pack BO!)
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To: thackney; mbeaven
"You will get more feedback if you will actually post the information. I'll help you out."

After reading your essay (?) mbeaven, I have come up with a constructive suggestion. not being one to reinvent the wheel, I'll just borrow from Wiki:

" Postsecondary remedial education (also known as postsecondary remediation, developmental education, basic skills education, compensatory education, or preparatory education) is a large and growing segment of higher education in the United States. It is composed primarily of sequences of increasingly advanced courses designed to bring underprepared students to the level of skill competency expected of new college freshmen."
27 posted on 02/10/2011 6:54:07 AM PST by shibumi (I am The Nexus One - I want more life, Baby I aint done!)
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To: humblegunner

“Anyone opposed to divorce is invited to spend a week with my ex-wife.

Then we’ll talk.”

Very funny!


28 posted on 02/10/2011 8:17:33 AM PST by GizzyGirl
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To: humblegunner

Thanks for the correction. Spell check was not my friend today!


29 posted on 02/10/2011 1:03:45 PM PST by mbeaven (Divorce Stats)
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To: dajeeps

From a conservative position, the problem with divorce is the same problem as with gay marriage: There is no such thing. If you marry someone of the same gender, you are not really married. If you divorce and remarry, you are still married to the first person (until they die).


30 posted on 02/10/2011 1:05:39 PM PST by mbeaven (Divorce Stats)
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To: mbeaven
Matthew, Chapter 5:32
but I say unto you, that every one that putteth away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, maketh her an adulteress: and whosoever shall marry her when she is put away committeth adultery.
31 posted on 02/10/2011 3:39:58 PM PST by dajeeps
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To: dajeeps

I am familiar. However, it is still forbidden to marry a divorced person.

” and he that shall marry her that is put away, committeth adultery”


32 posted on 02/10/2011 7:48:20 PM PST by mbeaven (Divorce Stats)
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To: mbeaven

Right, but it does not say it is forbidden to marry a divorced person. Punctuation is important; it is one sentace not two.

If you marry someone who subsequently fornicates, you can divorce them and find someone else.

Of course this line of conversation has nothing to do with no-fault divorce, ObamaCare, or the fact that people are going to do what people do regardless of how difficult divorce is to get.


33 posted on 02/11/2011 4:17:11 AM PST by dajeeps
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To: dajeeps

You have no logic. It is adultery but it is not forbidden? Read 1 Cor 6:9 to see what happens to those who commit adultery (marry a divorced person or remarry after divorcing).


34 posted on 02/11/2011 9:46:46 AM PST by mbeaven (Divorce Stats)
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To: dajeeps

Let’s dissect what you posted:

“Matthew, Chapter 5:32
but I say unto you, that every one that putteth away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, maketh her an adulteress: and whosoever shall marry her when she is put away committeth adultery. “

1. If she is already committing adultery, putting her out does not make her an adulterer. She already is one.
2. Put away is not the same as divorce. The scripture is speaking of separation. Vows are “until death do we part” and there are not “get out of your vows to God” cards. So you can separate for adultery but you can never marry again (until death of one).
3. It doesn’t matter the reason why the person was put away, to marry them is adultery. Even if the person was put away for adultery.


35 posted on 02/11/2011 9:57:16 AM PST by mbeaven (Divorce Stats)
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To: dajeeps

Also, punctuation is a translator’s inference. Scriptures were written with no punctuation. You have to rely on the authority of the Catholic Church to say what the scriptures mean, as it was they who decided what should be in the Bible and what shouldn’t be. The Catholic Church says there is no divorce. They compiled the Bible. They rejected books rejected, they accepted books accepted. All this hundreds of years before any other denomination was on the scene.

Divorce is a lie. Those who divorce and remarry commit adultery. Unrepentant adulterers go to hell. Not too complicated here.


36 posted on 02/11/2011 10:01:29 AM PST by mbeaven (Divorce Stats)
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To: mbeaven

“You have no logic. It is adultery but it is not forbidden? Read 1 Cor 6:9 to see what happens to those who commit adultery (marry a divorced person or remarry after divorcing).”

First, in the verse I provided, fornication is not adultery; otherwise it would not make sense to use another word. In other translations unchastity and immorality have been used in place of fornication. In the ones I looked at adultery is never used there.

In I Corinthians, the when the topic of marriage is discussed, Paul prefaces what he said by saying that he says it without command. But if you read the entire thing, it paints the picture where women are not much more than property, with a clear double standard. “If you have been released from a wife, do not seek a wife. But if you remarry, you have not sinned…” and, “A woman is bound to a husband until he dies.”

In Galatians, however, he goes on to talk about the law, being established through a mediator, was a tutor until Christ could redeem. In verse 28 he says: “There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ.” Christ looks at everyone the same. Romans chapter 3 is similar, and they appear to be reiterations and expansions of John 3.

All in all, salvation is a deeply personal affair and is not something that can be legislated, whether a little or a lot, in a free and self-governing society. Citizens here have the right to make up their own minds about how to conduct themselves, to judge their own conduct, and believe whatever they are inclined to believe. The use of law to coerce others to participate in one’s ideal view of society is not much different than what the radical left is attempting now, or what radical Islamists are doing with shariah law in the Middle East and Europe and is nothing short of tyranny. I do not condone its use in that way, in the place of real leadership and persuasion.


37 posted on 02/13/2011 5:05:41 AM PST by dajeeps
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