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The Citizenship Status of Our 44 Presidents
Before It's News ^ | 2/15/2011 | Mario Apuzzo

Posted on 02/17/2011 9:38:56 PM PST by jdoug666

A famous Holmesian dictum provides that "a page of history is worth a volume of logic."

(Excerpt) Read more at beforeitsnews.com ...


TOPICS: Politics
KEYWORDS: apuzzo; birthcertificate; certifigate; eligibility; ineligible; marioapuzzo; naturalborn; naturalborncitizen; ntsa; obama; uspresidents; usurper; wrldsdmbstcnsprcy
A recommended constitutional primer for CNN's 'senior legal analyst' Jeffrey Toobin.
1 posted on 02/17/2011 9:39:02 PM PST by jdoug666
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To: jdoug666

BTTT


2 posted on 02/17/2011 10:07:53 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: presently no screen name

Thanks.

Looking forward to what do our resident experts have to say.


3 posted on 02/17/2011 10:14:52 PM PST by NoLibZone (Obama must be impeached then tried for treason.)
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To: jdoug666

Interesting article, thanks.


4 posted on 02/17/2011 10:15:43 PM PST by nolongerademocrat ("Before you ask G-d for something, first thank G-d for what you already have." B'rachot 30b)
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To: jdoug666
When determining whether a child born in the U.S. is an Article II “natural born Citizen,” the question is not whether the parents of the child are foreign born. Rather, the question is whether they are “citizens of the United States” at the time of the child’s birth in the United States.

In other words, Daddy had to be a U.S. citizen and Stanley Ann had to domino somewhere in the U.S.

Under those criteria, I would guess the odds of the Wee Wee being "natural born" are pretty close to zero.

5 posted on 02/17/2011 10:42:27 PM PST by Zakeet (Always trust in the five G's: God, Gold, Guns, Grub, and the Government screwing up)
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To: jdoug666

Blah blah blah, I know that () is not a “natural born citizen”, is not Constitutionally eligible for the job of POTUS, but nothing is ever going to be done about it. The fact that he sits in the ()val Office as planned is a sign of how far down the road to a “ONE WORLD GOVT” we have traveled. They pushed the “son of Cain” to make room for this usurper, and “THEY” are quite pleased. As a matter of fact, McCain was one of the big pushers behind campaign finance reform, that transferred so much political power out of the hands of people and parties, to NGO’s and billionaires. GOOD JOB JOHNNIE.


6 posted on 02/17/2011 10:44:50 PM PST by runninglips (government debt = slavery of the masses)
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To: runninglips

McCain was brought up through the quagmire of Republican contenders by the same cabal that put Obama into the race. The same goes for the Clinton’s ,he made it up but she didn’t. The cabal knew it had to give a respite to it’s goal when the Bush’s ran.


7 posted on 02/17/2011 10:55:22 PM PST by noinfringers2
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To: runninglips

McCain was brought up through the quagmire of Republican contenders by the same cabal that put Obama into the race. The same goes for the Clinton’s ,he made it up but she didn’t. The cabal knew it had to give a respite to it’s goal when the Bush’s ran.


8 posted on 02/17/2011 10:55:46 PM PST by noinfringers2
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To: Zakeet
Stanley Ann had to domino somewhere in the U.S.

Natural-born citizens do not have to be born in the US, just as natural-born athletes do not have to be born in gymnasiums.

ML/NJ

9 posted on 02/18/2011 4:26:02 AM PST by ml/nj
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To: jdoug666

We are living in occupied America, not much different than France was when occupied by the Germans in WW2.

Outside Islamic interests have taken control.


10 posted on 02/18/2011 4:31:58 AM PST by Eye of Unk ("These people are either at your neck or at your knees" A quote by Winston Churchill)
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To: jdoug666

A recommended constitutional primer for CNN’s ‘senior legal analyst’ Jeffrey Toobin.


Heck...we got Glenn Beck, Andrew Brokeback, Ann Coulter, Bill O’Reilly, Sarah Palin, and many others....who are as ignorant on the issue as Toobin. It is the people peeing in the tent that scare me more than those peeing outside it...why are so many siding with the Liberal Media on the Obama Eligibility issue?

However, This is a great article. The only thing I would add is that there was a lot of attention paid to Andrew Jackson’s eligibility when he ran for President the first time in 1824 (lost to JQ Adams).

Many believed Jackson was born in Ireland, not in the Carolinas.....in fact, there is still controversy as to whether he was born in North or South Carolina...Waxhaws, where Jackson was born....borders both Carolinas.

Jackson was the first President whose eligibility was being questioned. Just wonder if those who were questioning were trying to be silenced by their own party and people....like what is happening to the Obama Birthers?


11 posted on 02/18/2011 4:44:45 AM PST by UCFRoadWarrior (Newt Gingrich and Chris Matthews: Seperated at Birth??)
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To: ml/nj
Just quoting the article ... directly.

The author, a lawyer, was apparently citing the SCOTUS.

12 posted on 02/18/2011 4:47:39 AM PST by Zakeet (Always trust in the five G's: God, Gold, Guns, Grub, and the Government screwing up)
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To: ml/nj
Opinions are like O you have a the right to express yours, but legal opinion seems to differ. That is why insane mccain got a special sense of the senate resolution passed for his sorry ass. He was not born here and by law is a panama citizen.
13 posted on 02/18/2011 4:57:45 AM PST by org.whodat
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To: org.whodat
At the time of the drafting of the Constitution, the Oxford English dictionary gives this example of usage for natural-born from 1709: "The Children of all natural-born Subjects born out of Ligeance of her Majesty ... shall be deemed ... to be natural-born Subjects of this Kingdom." (I think this is from an Act of Parliament, but the OED citation is unclear to me.) Natural-born is by blood, not by location, or at least it was in this example.

ML/NJ

14 posted on 02/18/2011 5:33:49 AM PST by ml/nj
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To: ml/nj
Wrong, try blacks law, in old law the children of a man inherit his citizenship. This is is still the law of the world, except some Americans in the government that pull anchor baby's out of their collective asses.

you statement was the argument GB used for world power, no matter when in the world a citizen of Britain is born, he is still a British citizen and the sun never sets on the British empire.

15 posted on 02/18/2011 6:01:18 AM PST by org.whodat
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To: jdoug666

Here’s a link to Mario Apuzzo’s blog:

http://puzo1.blogspot.com/2011/02/citizenship-status-of-our-44-presidents.html

Just FYI for anybody who might be interested.


16 posted on 02/18/2011 7:58:04 AM PST by ConjunctionJunction
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To: ml/nj

T the time the constitution was wrote the “official” definition for natural born was

CHILDREN OF CITIZENS SHALL BE CONSIDERED NATURAL BORN

it was later amended to include citizens of citizens born overseas

CHILDREN OF CITIZENS (THAT MAY BE BORN OVERSEAS) SHALL BE CONSIDERED NATURAL BORN.

The meaning of Natural born is clear : birth to parents that are U.S. citizens
Upheld in Minor vs Happensett U.S. Supreme Court.


17 posted on 02/18/2011 8:16:58 AM PST by omegadawn (qualified)
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To: org.whodat
Wrong, try blacks law

FTR, I think YOU are wrong. Blacks is hardly the arbiter of the history of the English language. (Guess what is!)

ML/NJ

18 posted on 02/18/2011 8:17:48 AM PST by ml/nj
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To: omegadawn
Do you have a cite for you "official" definitions?

ML/NJ

19 posted on 02/18/2011 8:20:45 AM PST by ml/nj
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To: ml/nj

The definitions will be found in the Congressional records of the First Congress, and the Citizenship and Naturalization Act of 1790.

There has never been a question what was the original intent of Natural Born was in the Constitution . Liberal just believe that it is no longer valid, or it should not apply to obama!!


20 posted on 02/18/2011 8:38:18 AM PST by omegadawn (qualified)
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To: omegadawn
The definitions will be found in the Congressional records of the First Congress, and the Citizenship and Naturalization Act of 1790.

How do you know this?

ML/NJ

21 posted on 02/18/2011 8:41:22 AM PST by ml/nj
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To: jdoug666

Apuzzo has it right.


22 posted on 02/18/2011 9:00:40 AM PST by Danae (Anailnathrach ortha bhais beatha do cheal deanaimha)
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To: ml/nj

Duh, blacks is a law book, friend.


23 posted on 02/18/2011 10:52:52 AM PST by org.whodat
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To: org.whodat
Duh.

Why don't you find out how often Black's is cited compared to the OED in legal cases considering the meaning of statutes drafted 100 years or more ago?

Just ask a lawyer, if you know one.

ML/NJ

24 posted on 02/18/2011 11:17:11 AM PST by ml/nj
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To: jdoug666

Isn’t this all just speculation? Where are their birth certificates?


25 posted on 02/18/2011 4:18:28 PM PST by Kleon
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To: omegadawn

The definitions will be found in the Congressional records of the First Congress, and the Citizenship and Naturalization Act of 1790.

There has never been a question what was the original intent of Natural Born was in the Constitution . Liberal just believe that it is no longer valid, or it should not apply to obama!!


And conservative justices who have actually ruled on eligibility lawsuits concerning Obama believe that the ratification of the 14th Amendment created only two categories of national and state citizenship: born citizens and naturalized citizens.


26 posted on 02/18/2011 6:05:09 PM PST by jamese777
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