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Canadian Death Panel Decides Baby Should Die, Canadian Court Agrees
All American Blogger ^ | 2=18-11 | Duane Lester

Posted on 02/18/2011 7:27:10 AM PST by Bodhi1

How many liberals have clamored for the humanity of the Canadian Health Care system? I think it's safe to say that at one time, a majority of the have advocated for a single payer system.

One of the problems with single payer is the government can decide to stop paying because some "death panel" declared the patient's life not worth the money required to keep them alive.

For example, a panel in Canada's health care system has decided to remove a baby from life support, despite the parents protestations. The parents when to court. The court found in favor of the government.

So now, rather than die at home, with loved ones surrounding him, baby Joseph Maraachli will die at the hospital, at the hands of the Canadian health care system:

The father and relatives of one-year-old Joseph Maraachli wept outside a London courthouse after an emotional Justice Helen Rady upheld the earlier decision of an independent provincial tribunal forcing the baby's parents to comply with doctors' orders.

With all of their legal avenues exhausted, the family will have to say goodbye to Joseph Monday morning — on Family Day — when his breathing tube will be removed.

"I do my best for my baby. My son is not a criminal . . . to just let him die," dad Moe Maraachli said through tears.

"They are taking my baby away from me . . . Where is the humanity?"


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TOPICS: Health/Medicine; Politics
KEYWORDS: commiecare; death; deathpanels; healthcare; healthsystem; obamacare; panels; singlepayer

1 posted on 02/18/2011 7:27:18 AM PST by Bodhi1
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To: Bodhi1

This must be one of those “shovel-ready jobs” big government promises.


2 posted on 02/18/2011 7:31:16 AM PST by laotzu
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To: Clive

Ping.


3 posted on 02/18/2011 7:36:35 AM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Bodhi1

There is a place called HELL, and all I can say is that democrats/moderate Republicans/liberals better prepare for it.

BTW there is only 1 way to prevent it, and that`s to repent, invite the Lord Jesus Christ into your lives.


4 posted on 02/18/2011 7:36:44 AM PST by Friendofgeorge (PALIN/WEST 2012)
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To: Bodhi1

Well, one thing’s for sure . . . this story will produce cognitive dissonance in Justin Bieber - who thinks Canada’s health system is far superior to that of the U.S. And who also thinks that abortion is “like killing a baby”.


5 posted on 02/18/2011 7:38:28 AM PST by chickadee
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To: Friendofgeorge
There is a place called HELL, and all I can say is that democrats/moderate Republicans/liberals better prepare for it. BTW there is only 1 way to prevent it, and that`s to repent, invite the Lord Jesus Christ into your lives.

How quaint -- the idea that salvation depends on one's political views.

Jesus had harsh words for people like you, FRiend.

6 posted on 02/18/2011 7:39:01 AM PST by r9etb
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To: Bodhi1
How many liberals have clamored for the humanity of the Canadian Health Care system?

I didn't notice leftists clamoring for humanity. I noticed them demanding free stuff at others' expense.

Leftists are members of a death cult. What they pursue always brings about unnecessary premature death.

7 posted on 02/18/2011 7:41:58 AM PST by MichiganConservative (Letting Obama supporters vote is like giving a loaded gun to a child with severe mental retardation.)
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To: Bodhi1

Are they stopping public treatment of this baby? Couldn’t the parents still treat him if they could find funding? I mean, they are not condemning him to death, just deciding not to have the government pay? Surely there is some charity that could help this child?


8 posted on 02/18/2011 7:41:58 AM PST by Yaelle
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To: r9etb; Friendofgeorge
FOG is right. Because these days, if you are a liberal/moderate republican/democrat, then you are in favor of abortion, gayness, etc...It all goes hand-in-hand.

Its not just political views anymore, its views on everthing from whether a baby should be MURDERED, brutall by the state (case in point), to whether or not peoples hard-earned salaries should be stolen by the gov and given away to some bum like candy.

9 posted on 02/18/2011 7:43:10 AM PST by Celtic Cross (Looking to escape to Idaho--Will work for keep.)
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To: Bodhi1

American doctors rescue kids in other countries. I wonder why we can’t rescue this child, or the parents don’t bring him to the US?
Just asking.


10 posted on 02/18/2011 7:43:28 AM PST by WestwardHo (Whom the gods would destroy, they first drive mad.)
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To: r9etb
“just politics” you say. Life and death issues are not ...just politics my friend.

Anybody that votes democrat, spits on Christ. Moderate Republicans are only lucky that they do not actually vote Democrat (as far as we know) but still must accept Christ, nonetheless, or their fate will be the same as that of the Democrat.

11 posted on 02/18/2011 7:50:22 AM PST by Friendofgeorge (PALIN/WEST 2012)
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To: Bodhi1
But doctors refused to perform [a tracheotomy], citing serious risks of infection, pneumonia and other possible complications.

So instead they're going to remove his breathing tube and allow him to suffocate/choke to death. The State has ruled, in it's Ultimate Wisdom, that it's in "Joseph's best interest to have the breathing tube removed."

This is why I repeatedly argue for parents' rights to determine medical care for their children. The State and their doctors have determined what is best for this child. Best medical practices rule. End of story.

12 posted on 02/18/2011 7:53:51 AM PST by FourPeas
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To: Bodhi1
YOU GUYS ARE EEEEEEVIL!

(In all seriousness, this is very sad.)

13 posted on 02/18/2011 7:56:26 AM PST by bolobaby
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To: WestwardHo

Little Joseph is not long for this world. What the parents want is for him to have a tracheotomy so they can bring him home and he can die at home with his family in a warm, loving environment. Instead, Joseph will have his breathing tube removed and will suffocate/choke to death.


14 posted on 02/18/2011 7:57:10 AM PST by FourPeas
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To: FourPeas

They will be judged...When they are asked, someday, “Why did you suffocate an infant?” They will have to reply...


15 posted on 02/18/2011 7:59:39 AM PST by Celtic Cross (Looking to escape to Idaho--Will work for keep.)
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To: Bodhi1
A very sad story. But the outrage in the story, and on this thread, is misdirected.

It seems that there is no question that the child has no chance of survival. The parents naturally want to keep him alive on life support, and I deeply sympathize with their plight..... but he has no chance. The hard question has to be asked: at what point is it OK to say, "no more -- let him go to God?" What are their reasons for keeping him alive?

And let's get down to the nitty gritty here. To what extent is medical coverage required to be paid for a lost cause? At what point is the money spent on a case like this, better spent on somebody else?

Those who are all huffy about this being a government thing, need to realize that this question gets asked all the time by private insurance companies -- and those private death panels do, at some point, refuse coverage .... and probably sooner than a government panel would do.

This is a sad, sad situation.... but it's still important to look at the reality of it.

16 posted on 02/18/2011 8:05:23 AM PST by r9etb
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To: Friendofgeorge
Anybody that votes democrat, spits on Christ.

I suspect you're going to be in for a rude surprise, Pharisee.

17 posted on 02/18/2011 8:06:49 AM PST by r9etb
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To: r9etb
Explain to me this...The democrat party stands for: Abortion, gayness, socialism, essentially moral relativism, the removal of God from any and all public places and things, the persecution of God's servants through 'legal channels (e.g., hate speech to quote the Bible).

If a person votes democrat, they're giving all the above mentioned things their seal of approval. How are they not spitting on Christ?

18 posted on 02/18/2011 8:40:51 AM PST by Celtic Cross (Looking to escape to Idaho--Will work for keep.)
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To: Celtic Cross
God doesn't judge political parties. He judges people.

The Pharisees thought as you do.

19 posted on 02/18/2011 8:45:29 AM PST by r9etb
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To: Bodhi1

Very sad. But government bureaucrats obviously know what is best.

Consent and Capacity Board - what a lovely name for a death panel. Maybe Justin Bieber could write a pretty song about it.

I wonder what qualifications you must have to be appointed to the board - intern under Josef Mengele at Auschwitz?


20 posted on 02/18/2011 8:47:47 AM PST by Kandy Atz ("Were we directed from Washington when to sow and when to reap, we should soon want for bread.")
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To: r9etb
But the point is, if you support what the democrat party officially supports, then you're defying God's commandments.

They could call it the 'lolwut' party and if it supported what the democrats support, then its spitting on Christ. Its not the party, its what the people in the party support.

21 posted on 02/18/2011 8:51:14 AM PST by Celtic Cross (Looking to escape to Idaho--Will work for keep.)
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To: Bodhi1

1-Obtain the necessary breathing aids.
2-Walk into the hospital and remove the baby to have him treated in a place they value life.


22 posted on 02/18/2011 8:52:10 AM PST by G Larry
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To: Yaelle
Couldn’t the parents still treat him if they could find funding? I mean, they are not condemning him to death, just deciding not to have the government pay? Surely there is some charity that could help this child?

You have a good point - yes, the parents could pay for the tracheostomy so they can have him die at home instead of in the hospital. (The parents accept the fact that he will definitely die soon as he has a progressive neurologic disease - the same as a sister died from.)

I have sympathy for both views on this, but as a medical person, it comes down (for a state health system, OR for a US insurance company) to

1. Is it a reasonable cost (either to a national health service or an insurance company) to pay for a tracheostomy, home ventilator, and supplies? Who bears the cost of round the clock trache care, or is the family on their own for the care or for home nursing costs?

2. The family say they want Joseph to die in the comfort of their home. Does putting him through a trachostomy procedure add or detract comfort from his last days? Is the pain of the procedure and the post op period worth being in a private residence when one dies, especially if the child can't sense where he is? According to this article he can't - he's in a persistent vegetative state, and "missing all five brain stem reflexes considered necessary for life -- gag, cough, eye movement, pupil and cornea responses." At that point, it seems to me it is no longer about the health or comfort of the child, but rather about the wishes of the parents.

One pediatric intensivist discussing this case had a suggestion - instruct the parents so they can take the child home with the endotracheal tube in place and they can use an ambubag to keep him breathing for the transfer. When they are home and ready, they can cease bagging or remove the tube.

23 posted on 02/18/2011 8:55:18 AM PST by sometime lurker
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To: Celtic Cross

Give it up, son. Your point is ridiculous.


24 posted on 02/18/2011 9:01:18 AM PST by r9etb
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To: r9etb
Did you not know that voting democrat means you support infanticide, gay marriage, teaching children that it`s OK to be homosexual etc etc etc

Voting democrat means you are OK with removing the name of Christ (Christ as in Christian) from the classroom/public square etc.

Absolutely voting Democrat means that that person does not have the Spirit of Christ within them, totally Biblical, not said by me in a judgmental way, even though you have taken it that way.

To harm one of my little ones, you would be better if a mill stone was hung around your neck...JESUS

to vote Democrat means you spit on Christ, Absolutely this is true.

25 posted on 02/18/2011 9:24:12 AM PST by Friendofgeorge (PALIN/WEST 2012)
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To: Friendofgeorge

You’re full of crap.


26 posted on 02/18/2011 9:39:30 AM PST by r9etb
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To: r9etb

So, its alright to vote in favor of abortion then? And teaching children that gayness is preferable, and that God needs to be removed from polite society?


27 posted on 02/18/2011 10:14:13 AM PST by Celtic Cross (Looking to escape to Idaho--Will work for keep.)
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To: r9etb

r9etb had the debate for years now. People walk in to the polling booth and pull the handle for a D or a R,knowing full well that the D means a liberal anti Christian Supreme Court.

A person with the Spirit of The Lord Jesus Christ within them, could not/would not do that, so yes it is spitting on Christ/God IMHO.

nOW r9etb I took a quick look at your past posts, and you for one thing are a very anti Palin poster, it`s very obvious that you hold very liberal positions. So I pray for you and wish you well.

God Speed


28 posted on 02/18/2011 12:38:47 PM PST by Friendofgeorge (PALIN/WEST 2012)
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To: Celtic Cross

Well said! :)


29 posted on 02/18/2011 12:43:21 PM PST by Friendofgeorge (PALIN/WEST 2012)
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To: Friendofgeorge
nd you for one thing are a very anti Palin poster, it`s very obvious that you hold very liberal positions.

You ridiculous twit. According to you, I seem to be headed to hell. And now you're suggesting that salvation comes to those who support Sarah Palin.

I suggest that you stop lecturing us on what constitutes a Christian, you filthy hypocrite.

30 posted on 02/18/2011 5:30:32 PM PST by r9etb
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To: Celtic Cross
So, its alright to vote in favor of abortion then? And teaching children that gayness is preferable, and that God needs to be removed from polite society?

I'm saying it's not up to Pharisees and hypocrites to decide who goes to heaven. Can I possibly be more blunt in my disdain for your idiocy?

31 posted on 02/18/2011 5:32:18 PM PST by r9etb
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To: r9etb

Why are you a Democrat?


32 posted on 02/18/2011 7:26:15 PM PST by Friendofgeorge (PALIN/WEST 2012)
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To: Friendofgeorge

I’m not a Democrat. (As if I needed even more proof of your thick-headedness.)


33 posted on 02/18/2011 8:00:09 PM PST by r9etb
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To: r9etb
My entire argument was aimed at Democrats, you took such offense to it, that`s why I wondered.

Anyway you are obviously struggling with this issue, sorry to upset you so.

People are responsible for their votes, it involves life and death issues...not just politics as you say.

If a person had Christ in their life they would not be able or want to vote against the things that are important to Him/Christ

nuff from me

34 posted on 02/19/2011 5:51:29 AM PST by Friendofgeorge (PALIN/WEST 2012)
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To: Friendofgeorge

Such amazing persistence in your hypocrisy. You really don’t get the whole “Christianity” thing, do you?


35 posted on 02/19/2011 10:11:04 AM PST by r9etb
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To: r9etb
If You feel its ok to kill unborn children and to promote homosexual values and to vote for liberal Supreme Court Judges that Spit on Christ, then you my friend are the one that is to be pitied.

The Bible is very clear on all these issues. The Bible leaves no doubt

36 posted on 02/19/2011 10:45:39 AM PST by Friendofgeorge (PALIN/WEST 2012)
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To: Friendofgeorge
The Bible is very clear on all these issues. The Bible leaves no doubt

And yet, the word "Democrat" does not appear in the Bible ... not even once.

And the word "vote" appears only once ... when a Pharisee named Saul says he cast his vote to persecute and kill Christians.

And yet you take it upon yourself to condemn all Democrats to hell. What an arrogant little pharisee you are. I suggest that you grab yourself a handful of humility.

37 posted on 02/19/2011 2:03:23 PM PST by r9etb
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To: r9etb

Spoken like a true Democrat, I let you have the last word.

Which was that Jesus is OK with killing unborn children, and that homosexuality is not a abomination.

I shake the dust off my boots. Nothing more I can say, only the Lord himself can change your heart.


38 posted on 02/19/2011 3:14:48 PM PST by Friendofgeorge (PALIN/WEST 2012)
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To: Friendofgeorge
I let you have the last word.... I shake the dust off my boots. Nothing more I can say, only the Lord himself can change your heart.

(rolls eyes)

39 posted on 02/19/2011 3:17:05 PM PST by r9etb
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To: r9etb

Welcome to Free Republic! America’s exclusive site for God, Family, Country, Life & Liberty constitutional conservative activists!

pro life pro family


40 posted on 02/19/2011 3:18:36 PM PST by Friendofgeorge (PALIN/WEST 2012)
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To: Friendofgeorge

(rolls eyes again at the earnest self-righteousness of the pharisee)


41 posted on 02/19/2011 3:26:08 PM PST by r9etb
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To: r9etb

The term “Christian Democrat” is a oxymoron. 50+ years ago was a different story/

This is a good prayer for anybody that wants to become a Christian.

Jesus please come into my life, forgive me for my sins, thank you Jesus for dying on the cross for my sins, I turn to you Lord from my sin through faith in Christ Jesus. Thank You Lord for saving me

A prayer along those lines will do just nicely! If its sincere from the heart.

It`s important to tell someone after you pray such a prayer!

Salvation is a free undeserved gift, not of works lest any man should boast. But we are also told to go and sin no more.

So voting for abortions and the things that are against the Lord, have to go. It`s called repentance.

Churches that teach that it`s OK to support abortion/gay marriage etc, are dead Churches. They are all wasting their time, they might just as well eat drink and be merry.

God Bless you


42 posted on 02/20/2011 8:08:47 PM PST by Friendofgeorge (PALIN/WEST 2012)
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To: Friendofgeorge

Give it up, fruitloop.


43 posted on 02/20/2011 8:35:54 PM PST by r9etb
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To: r9etb

Sorry, I was just doing a view of your pasts posts. You dont like Rush, you dont like Palin, you are pro choice/pro abortion (no difference btw) You are constantly telling people they are full of crap etc

And yet you are terribly offended the moment someone says anything the least bit unkind about a Democrat.

was a slow night...wish you well nonetheless, I hope you find peace


44 posted on 02/20/2011 8:47:50 PM PST by Friendofgeorge (PALIN/WEST 2012)
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To: Bodhi1

Placemark for pingout tomorrow.


45 posted on 02/20/2011 8:57:00 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Yaelle

I don’t know about charities, but an article I pinged out a day or two about this child stated that the parents just wanted a tracheotomy performed so they could take him home and have him die in peace at home. Apparently the baby will die without the breathing tube, no doubt about it, and the parents just wanted him to die peacefully at home with them, not in a hospital with strangers and machinery all around.


46 posted on 02/20/2011 8:59:24 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: r9etb; Friendofgeorge

The platform of the Dem party is pro-homo, pro-abortion, and pro-socialist which is by very definition atheist. Dems are busily trying to destroy every vestige of the Constitutional freedoms of speech, religion and association, for starters.

I am a Hindu and I also say that Dems are Evil because their goals and methods are Evil and they are trying to make a hell on earth.


47 posted on 02/20/2011 9:03:36 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Friendofgeorge
You are pro choice/pro abortion (no difference btw) You are constantly telling people they are full of crap etc

Guess what, bozo. You're full of crap. And now you're a God damned liar, too.

48 posted on 02/20/2011 9:51:57 PM PST by r9etb
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To: r9etb

Then what is it pal? Why you are so sensitive about any democrat bashing? And what`s with calling out the Lord God? Anybody that says GD obviously does not have the Spirit of God within them, and yes you are very rude to soo so many people.

You are pro life now? But you want to support a candidate that says leave the Social issues alone? Give me a break

And what`s with the bashing of Sarah Palin


49 posted on 02/21/2011 5:36:33 AM PST by Friendofgeorge (PALIN/WEST 2012)
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To: little jeremiah

Good for you LJ

I have always said that, a person does not have to be Christian to know these things are wrong. Sometimes people make excuses for non Christians that support the evils of Abortion/homosexuality, they will say they are blinded by their unbelief etc, as if it`s some type of explanation.

My other friend here makes the argument that people are not responsible for their choices, it`s only politics he says...and I roll my eyes.


50 posted on 02/21/2011 5:43:15 AM PST by Friendofgeorge (PALIN/WEST 2012)
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