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Mario Marroquin Born In A House Denied a Passort Despite Having Birth Certificate. (& Obama COLB)
naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com ^ | 02/21/2011 | Leo Donofrio

Posted on 02/21/2011 11:45:54 AM PST by rxsid

"SHAME ON THE STATE DEPARTMENT: The Mario Marroquin Story – How War Veterans and Other Citizens “Born In A House” Are Denied Passorts Despite Having Birth Certificates.
By naturalborncitizen

In an act of unparalleled hypocrisy and disgrace, Obama’s Department of State continues to deny passports to US citizens who were “born in a house” on US soil – and not in a hospital or other “appropriate medical facility” - despite the fact that they possess long form birth certificates featuring more factual proof of birth in the US than President Obama’s COLB.

MARIO MARROQUIN

Mario Marroquin is a one hundred percent, service connected, Disabled American Veteran who served two tours of duty in Vietnam and another in Desert Storm. He was born in Alice, Texas in 1942 and has resided there his entire life. Mr. Marroquin’s father was also born in Alice, Texas. And he too resided there his whole life. Mario’s grandfather was also born in Alice, Texas. Mario informed me that his family has lived in Texas since before there was a United States.

Mario Marroquin gave ten years to his country. As a result, he was exposed to Agent Orange in Vietnam and now has Cancer, Diabetes, chronic respiratory illness, and a host of other ailments all of which are diagnosed to have been caused by the vile chemical exposure.

When Mario was born in Alice, Texas in 1942, a long form birth certificate was issued to his parents – in their home – by the medical doctor who delivered him into this world. Mario presented this birth certificate to the military as identification when he enlisted and it was accepted by the government as proper ID.

In 2000, Mario applied for a US Passport because he wanted to fulfill a dream to visit Peru and to see the Incan ruins. But the State Department denied his passport application because he was born in a house. Had he been born in a hospital and birthed by that same medical doctor, there would have been no problem. But since he was born in a house, the State Department claimed that his parents were required to bring the BC to a courthouse for registration despite the fact that the medical doctor who signed it was authorized to issue birth certificates for children born at home.

The State Department never returned Mario’s birth certificate to him. And they continue to deny him a passport. To this day, he is not considered a citizen by the State Department. He is deeply hurt and insulted that the US Government would strip him of his citizenship and confiscate his birth certificate, the same document accepted by the military when he enlisted.

So Mario began a letter writing campaign to state and federal representatives. But nobody returned his letters.

Then, on August 16, 2008, Manuel De La Rosa from KIII, an ABC news affiliate, issued a report on Mr. Marroquin. While the video report has been removed from the kiiiTV.com web site, the text of the story was reprinted by VA Watchdog, and mentioned at Democratic Underground.

There are very few details listed in the one paragraph report, so I contacted Mario Marroquin yesterday, Sunday Feb. 20, 2011. We spoke for more than an hour on the telephone and Mario graciously answered my questions, provided a few documents by fax, and agreed to allow me to publish his story.

Among many other decorations, Mario Marroquinn’s unit was awarded the prestigious Presidential Unit Citation. And he has been honorably discharged three times. He votes in every election. It is undeniable that this man has led a more patriotic life as a US citizen than most of us ever will. But when he applied for a US Passport in the year 2000, he was denied because the State Department determined his birth certificate – which was good enough for the military – was not good enough to establish US citizenship despite the fact that his family has lived in Alice, Texas for multiple generations.

Finally, after trying to establish his US citizenship for more than nine years, on December 16, 2009, Senator John Cornyn wrote back to Mr. Marroquin indicating that he had made an inquiry with the State Department:

“Thank you for providing me with your signed Privacy Form. I have made an inquiry on your behalf and will contact you again as soon as I receive a reply.

I appreciate having the opportunity to represent you in the United States and to be of service in this matter.”

On December 30, 2009, Mario wrote back requesting that Senator Cornyn sponsor him for citizenship, stating:

“Please let me know if you can help a disabled vet be recognized as a citizen.”

Unfortunately, Mario Marroquin has not heard another word from Senator Cornyn or the State Department. And his birth certificate remains confiscated in the hands of the State Department.

Before I go any further, I want to add that Mr. Marroquin told me, “I’m not a birther, Leo.” And I told him that I am not a birther either. Readers of this blog know that I believe Obama was born in the United States but that despite his place of birth, the President was a dual citizen owing allegiance to a foreign nation and that is why I do not believe he is eligible.

Regardless, the President, who is Commander In Chief, should be under at least as much scrutiny to prove citizenship as veterans of foreign wars. Since, as you will see below, a COLB from Texas or California isn’t prima facie proof of US citizenship according to the State Department, the President ought to submit to the same exact scrutiny as the citizens of Texas and California. A true Statesman would step up and put the issue behind him and the nation rather than drag it out for America to suffer over and be distracted by. This is especially true in light of the double standard which is established in this report.

While President Obama has not offered a single document to prove that he wasn’t born in a house, the State Department continues to deny Mario a passport because he was born in a house. The Marroquin family is well known in Alice, Texas for over a hundred years. This is not the case of a fake midwife delivery. This veteran was – without question – born in Texas and that birth was documented on a long form birth certificate signed by a licensed medical doctor.

On the other hand, we have President Obama, a dual citizen at birth, born — exactly where??? Somewhere in Honolulu apparently. Birthed by whom? We have no idea if it was a doctor, midwife or whatever. We just don’t know. Yet he is eligible to be President and to command our armed forces, while Mario Marroquin is denied a passport. That’s hypocrisy defined.

Obama’s State Department fails to recognize Mario as a citizen despite his offering a long form birth certificate, a doctor’s signature and multiple witnesses to his birth in Texas notwithstanding his valor in the line of duty protecting this nation. The State Department is practicing its very own form of birtherism. The State Department doesn’t feel comfortable giving Mario and others like him a passport to travel out of the country with. The reason cited in a video interview with a State Department representative is…wait for it…national security. Please look at the picture above of Mario Marroquin - a man whom the State Department considers a potential national security threat - NOT ELIGIBLE FOR A PASSPORT - NOT A CITIZEN – NOT PROPERLY DOCUMENTED.

Who’s guilty of being an insane conspiracy theorist now?

MORE VETERANS WITH “INSUFFICIENT” BIRTH CERTIFICATES DENIED PASSPORTS AND US CITIZEN STATUS BY OBAMA STATE DEPARTMENT.

Esmerelda Cazares.

On August 20, 2010, KGET TV-17 ran a story about Esmerelda Cazares, another war veteran, born in Los Angeles, birthed by a mid-wife. She has lived in the U.S. her whole life, but the government won’t allow her a passport because they say she doesn’t have enough proof of citizenship. Cazares had been trying to get a passport issued for five years when the story ran on KGET, but because her Los Angeles birth certificate – issued by the county of Los Angeles – was delayed, she was denied a passport.

Unfortunately for Cazares, her delayed birth certificate, Social Security card and service in the US military are not enough to prove her citizenship to Obama’s State Department.

ANOTHER RED FLAG = birth records registered a few days after birth.

President Obama’s COLB has just such a red flag. According to his COLB, he was born on August 4th, 1961. But that same COLB lists “date filed by registrar” as August 8th, 1961. Since his COLB is delayed by less than one year, the State Department won’t automatically reject it as a fraud, but it’s still a red flag.

On January 2, 2010, Jazmine Uloa wrote an article published by The Brownsville Herald concerning a class action suit brought against the Customs and Border Patrol by persons held for long hours at ports of entry in South Texas and denied entry into the country after they presented US birth certificates registered by midwives. Towards the end of that report, Uloa mentions that midwife birth is not the only red flag used by the State department:

“Others whose applications remain in question are U.S. citizens, mostly seniors, who have delayed birth certificates, or documents registered a few days after their births as was customary in the past.”

(This article by Juloa was republished in its entirety by Thomas Esparza, Jr., a Board Certified Immigration and Nationality Law Specialist.)

Obama’s COLB contains a red flag since it was registered a few days after his birth. And the COLB doesn’t indicate if he was born in a hospital, a house, or a midwife’s office.

Silvario Vasquez and Felix Rodriguez.

On August 29, 2009, Time Magazine ran a video report concerning the plight of US citizens born in Texas by midwives. The story highlighted the State Department’s denial of passports to two veterans. One of them – Silvario Vasquez – had been a US Customs and Border Patrol agent for 29 years. Furthermore, his birth certificate was good enough proof of citizenship for him to have been drafted and sent to Vietnam, but it wasn’t good enough for the State Department to recognize him as a citizen and grant him a passport.

The Time Magazine video actually shows the official long form birth certificates of Mr. Vasquez and another war veteran, Felix Rodriguez.

Time also interviewed Brenda Sprague, Deputy Assistant for Passport Services, on behalf of the State Department. She comments that due to various midwife scandals in the past, people from border communities – including veterans of foreign wars – were required to provide extra proof of US citizenship:

“So suddenly people in the border communities were faced with this need to document themselves, and they had birth documentation which was, on its face, not as simple or compelling as it might have been.”

Mr. Vasquez was particularly upset because, as he points out in the video, he was drafted at the height of the Vietnam war based upon the federal government’s awareness of his citizenship status and birth certificate. The official comments by the State Department are hypocritical in the extreme considering the failure of President Obama to completely document the circumstances of his birth with the American people. The State Department sure seem like a bunch of rabid birthers to me. Check out the Obama administration’s official position as stated by Sprague to Time:

“In the aftermath of 911, a decision was made that we had to take steps to regularize the documentation requirements for crossing our land borders… This is not a moral judgment, this is a legal judgment. And my heart goes out to people who are caught in this…Nevertheless, people get passports who are US citizens. Not because they’re good people, and not because they love America. Because they are US citizens.”

National security. Those who question Obama’s eligibility to be Commander In Chief are ridiculed by main stream media stooges and certain members of the House and Senate while decorated war veterans are left groping around in the dark begging to be recognized as US citizens. The State Department won’t give them a US Passport and won’t acknowledge that they are US citizens - in the cause of national security.

All of this goes on under the guidance of President Obama whose birth records contain red flags the State Department sometimes marks for extra scrutiny.

Compare the amount of evidence produced by these vets to what Obama has offered and it’s not even close. Mario Marroquin and others like him have proved that they are US citizens with their blood and their birth records and established community histories. Some, like Silvario Vasquez (who was eventually granted a passport after his story got out) were drafted based upon these documents, but their applications were flagged for denial by the Obama State Department. That is the absolute pinnacle of bureaucratic depravity.

IS BIRTH IN AN “APPROPRIATE MEDICAL FACILITY” NECESSARY FOR A PASSPORT?

The following was posted at the Baby Center Community blog on August 27, 2010:

4 of my siblings and I were born at home and of course received a state of TX birth certificate.

My older sister recently applied for a passport and sent in all of the paperwork including a copy of her birth certificate as required. She received a letter back from the passport office that since she was not born in an “appropriate medical facility” her birth certificate was not valid proof of U.S. citizenship. WTH!

“Appropriate medical facility”? What’s that? I can’t find any federal regulation for it. But when concerned citizens – aka birthers – point out that there is no evidence in Obama’s COLB that he was born in a hospital, the anti-birther response has always been that no law requires a person to be born in a hospital. But in practice, the Obama State Department will tag birth in a house as a red flag.

Now consider that former Hawaii elections clerk – Tim Adams – has signed an affidavit swearing he was told by his supervisors in Hawaii that no long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate existed for Barack Obama Jr. in Hawaii and that neither Queens Medical Center nor Kapi’olani Medical Center in Honolulu had any record of Obama having been born in their medical facilities.

APPARENTLY THIS ISNT HAPPENING ONLY IN BORDER COMMUNITIES.

The following was posted in the Missouri “City-Data Forum” on March 1, 2010:

I am looking for the name of my midwife who practiced in Mountain Home Arkansas in 1984. I am needing to get info regarding my daughter’s birth for her passport because they are not excepting her birth certificate.

We have moved many times and I cannot find any records with her name on it. I birthed my daughter in the basement of a church in Gainesville, Missouri.

So the State Department’s policy of red flagging birth certificates of people born in a house appears to be nationwide, not just in Texas and California.

The bogus mantra spouted by main stream media propagandists like CNN’s Anderson Cooper – that a COLB is universally accepted as proof of US citizenship for passport issuance – is unequivocally false propaganda bunk. All one needs to refute said bunk is the Department of State website, which states:

*A certified birth certificate has a registrar’s raised, embossed, impressed or multicolored seal, registrar’s signature, and the date the certificate was filed with the registrar’s office, which must be within 1 year of your birth. Please note, some short (abstract) versions of birth certificates may not be acceptable for passport purposes.

See that reference to “short (abstract) versions of birth certificates”… that’s a direct reference to a COLB. § 51.42 of the Federal Regulations lists the required documentary proof for a passport as follows:

§ 51.42 Persons born in the United States applying for a passport for the first time.

(a) Primary evidence of birth in the United States. A person born in the United States generally must submit a birth certificate. The birth certificate must show the full name of the applicant, the applicant’s place and date of birth, the full name of the parent(s), and must be signed by the official custodian of birth records, bear the seal of the issuing office, and show a filing date within one year of the date of birth.

Taken at face value, this appears to qualify any person with such a COLB for a passport. However, if you read the regulations a bit further:

§ 51.45 Department discretion to require evidence of U.S. citizenship or non-citizen nationality.

The Department may require an applicant to provide any evidence that it deems necessary to establish that he or she is a U.S. citizen or non-citizen national, including evidence in addition to the evidence specified in 22 CFR 51.42 through 51.44.

By reading § 51.45 in conjunction with the State Department’s reference to not accepting “short (abstract) versions”, the propaganda being force fed to the nation regarding universal acceptance of COLB’s as proof of US citizenship for passport purposes is exposed as fraud by the Government’s own regulations. While some COLB’s may pass the smell test, if your COLB is from Texas or California, it definitely will NOT be accepted as proof of citizenship without further scrutiny.

The stories of Mexican-American citizens denied passports because they were born to midwives in Texas and California is certainly well known. And the Obama administration continued to deny a passport to all persons birthed in Texas and California by midwives until the ACLU sued them.

The Government eventually settled the case by waiving extra fees for those forced to re-apply, and by promising to take a closer look at these passport applications, rather than simply rejecting them outright as frauds – which had been the policy all along. But a short form abstract (aka COLB) from Texas or California is still not considered prima facie proof of citizenship.

As a result of the ACLU’s law suit, the government agreed to take a closer look into such an applicant’s birth history and to provide screeners with a uniform review procedure that subjects these applicants to greater scrutiny. But official policy still holds that a COLB from Texas or California, by itself, does not establish US Citizenship.

Passport Visa Express.com is a professional expediting company officially recognized and registered with the U.S. Passport Agency. At their web site, it states:

“Applicants born in California or Texas MUST submit a Long-Form Birth Certificate; short forms or abstract birth certificates are UNACCEPTABLE

This is because 51.45 gives discretion to the State Department to require more evidence of US citizenship than is listed in 51.42 for those who set off red flags with passport screeners. But it’s important to note that 51.45 also gives discretion to the State Department to accept whatever evidence it deems necessary to establish citizenship. So if the State Department wanted to, it could provide Mario Marroquin and other veterans holding long form birth certificates with passports.

STATE BIRTHER BILLS

I have prepared this report with state birther bills in mind. Please hold candidates for President up to the same standards as is required by the State Department for all citizens.

Texas is one of the states which has drafted legislation – House Bill 295 – requiring an original birth certificate for listing candidates for President and VP on ballots.

Since the Obama administration won’t honor the COLB’s of person’s born in Texas, why should Texas honor Obama’s COLB?

Please contact legislators in those states with pending birther bills and forward this report to them. Any votes sitting on the fence might be interested.

SENATORS CORNYN AND HUTCHISON

Please call on Senators Kay Bailey Hutchison and John Cornyn to help Mario Marroquin and other veterans have their US citizenship status restored in the nation to which they have risked their lives in protection thereof.

Happy Presidents day. Comments are open.

by Leo Donofrio, Esq.

Pidgeon & Donofrio GP

Old Federal Building
3002 Colby Avenue, Suite 306
Everett, Washington 98201

contact: leo_donofrio2000@yahoo.com


TOPICS: Government; History; Military/Veterans; Politics
KEYWORDS: certifigate; donofrio; naturalborncitizen; obama
HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN?
1 posted on 02/21/2011 11:46:05 AM PST by rxsid
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"Mario Marroquin – Born In A House Denied a Passort Despite Having Birth Certificate. (& Obama COLB)"

2 posted on 02/21/2011 11:47:19 AM PST by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: rxsid

My dad was born in a house on my grandparent’s farm in rural Arkansas back in 1942. Good thing he was able to get his passport in the late 1970s well before the Kenyan Wonder Boy was thrust upon us.


3 posted on 02/21/2011 11:51:06 AM PST by FortWorthPatriot (Obama is no Hitler; Hitler got the Olympics!)
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To: rxsid
Obama would have been better off if he used the “born in a house” story.
4 posted on 02/21/2011 11:51:32 AM PST by Berlin_Freeper
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To: rxsid

My spouse was born at home, in a house, in a small Texas town in 1943.

He has had no problems either in getting or in renewing his passport.

This story is suspect.

It may be that the man’s bc was never filed with the proper authorities or certified by the state.

The facts, as stated in the story, don’t ring true to our experience.


5 posted on 02/21/2011 11:53:32 AM PST by Jedidah
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To: rxsid
My father was born in a sod house in an unorganized county in SD without a physician in attendance. However he was able to get a birth certificate and a passport. His birth certificate was issued based on sworn affidavits from his Mother and people who had known him since infancy. He went on to become a family doctor and did hundreds of home deliveries until the mid 1950s.
6 posted on 02/21/2011 11:55:05 AM PST by The Great RJ (The Bill of Rights: Another bill members of Congress haven't read.)
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To: rxsid
This is a concern to me, thanks for raising it. All three of my children (and God willing our fourth now on its way) were born at home, with a midwife not an MD. I haven't run into inordinate hassle (a little, but not too bad) getting birth certificates and SSN's for them, so I thought there would be no further problems. Apparently not. I guess the message for the Amish is, don't travel abroad! ;-)

(And no, I'm not Amish. Studies show that for normal (low-risk) pregnancies, home birth is just as safe and a good deal more comfortable and less stressful than hospital births. Hospitals excel at costly technological intervention for a crisis, and suck at just about everything else. And a normal birth is a blessing, not a 'crisis.')

7 posted on 02/21/2011 11:58:41 AM PST by Liberty1970 (Thanking God for many blessings :-))
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To: rxsid

The knucklehead Obama should have claimed he was born at home, but was so stupid he claimed a hospital birth.


8 posted on 02/21/2011 12:04:29 PM PST by FreeAtlanta (Obama and the left are making a mockery of our country.)
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To: rxsid

Not a citizen!? Woohoo. Stop paying taxes.


9 posted on 02/21/2011 12:09:14 PM PST by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: FreeAtlanta
The knucklehead Obama should have claimed he was born at home, but was so stupid he claimed a hospital birth.

Unfortunately, there's no documentation to prove it and the alleged document he has shown doesn't jibe with real birth certificates from the hospital he claims to have been born in.

10 posted on 02/21/2011 12:13:03 PM PST by edge919
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To: rxsid

I am very sorry this Honored Vet. Mario Marroquin is not considered a valid Citizen of US & Can Not get a Passport!!

I am sick of the corruption from this administration!!! They are hiding Obama’s past. Obama has not produced a valid BC & has gotten a pass by the media...... Vet Mario Marroquin has presented a valid BC & considered a Threat to Security... This man who’s family has been here more than 100 years is much more of a valid “Natural Born Citizen of America” than Obama.

Mr Obama was a “British Citizen” at Birth & not eligible to be POTUS!!

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Under the Constitution a requirement to become POTUS:

Requires Both Parents must be “Citizens of the United States” to be considered a “Natural-Born” Citizen!

Mr Obama has stated in his book “Dreams of My Father” & several times at speaking engagements , that his father was a “Kenyan with British Citizenship”!

Mr Obama’s........ “Legal”.......... father was a Kenyan with British Citizenship.

Under “Vattel’s Law of Nations” ( which our Founding Fathers used in defining “Natural-Born” Citizen). The” Country of the Fathers” is therefor that of the Children; and these become true citizens by their Tacit consent.

I say,that, in order to “be of the country”, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a “Citizen”; for, if he is born there of a “foreigner”, it will only be the place of his birth and “Not” his Country!!

Also, as a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was goverened by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act goverened the status of Obama Sr.’s Children.

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British Nationality Act of 1948 (Part II, Section 5):
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Subject to provisions of this section, a person born after the commencement of the Act shall be a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies by descent if his father is a citizen of the United Kingdom at the time of the birth.

In other words, at the time of his birth, Barack Obama Jr. was a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies (or the UKC) by virtue of being born to a .....”Legal”..... father who was a citizen of UKC.

Therefore, Barack Obama Jr. is ..........”Not”............ eligible to be POTUS.

It is time for Congress to stand-up for the Constitution!!

Mr Obama Needs to be removed from the White House!!

Nancy Pelosi realized that Mr Obama did “Not” meet the requirements to become POTUS so; she notorized & signed 2 different affidavits certifying that Mr

Obama was elegible to be nominated by the Democrat Party. The only State that had the words “Certified under the Constitution” was the State of Hawaii.... All other states

received the second affidavit that said he was “eligible” to be nominated but; the words “Certified Under the Constitution” were eliminated.....

This is Fraud & Corruption!!

Mr Obama knows that he did “Not” meet the requirements to become POTUS !!

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Here are 6 African Newspaper articles calling Obama “Kenyan-Born”

Notice the first article was from Sunday, .........June 27, “2004”

Historical News Articles and FactCheck Agree: Obama is “Kenyan-born”
Posted on October 18th, 2009 by David-Crockett

Sunday, June 27, “2004”

Kenya Sunday Standard headline-”Kenyan-born” Obama all set for US Senate
http://www.theobamafile.com/_exhibits/Born04.htm

The Nigerian Observer-Americans will today go to the polls to elect their next President with Democratic Party candidate, Senator Barack Obama largely favoured to win. The “Kenyan-born” Senator will…”
http://www.theobamafile.com/_exhibits/Born01.htm

USAfrica — “Kenyan-born” OBAMA makes history…wins presidential nomination of U. S. Democratic party; eyes on White House…
http://www.theobamafile.com/_images/Born09.gif

AllAfrica.com — ” Little wonder then why “Kenyan-born” Barack Obama, America’s first Black President…”
http://www.theobamafile.com/_exhibits/Born02.htm

GraphicGhana.com — “For Ghana, Obama’s visit will be a celebration of another milestone in African history as it hosts the first-ever “African-American President” on this presidential visit to the “continent of his birth”. The same article, with the same quote, appeared in ModernGhana.com.
http://www.theobamafile.com/.../...5-ContinentOfBirth.htm

The Ghana Times — “So far, the odds favour the once underdog in American politics, Obama, the “African-American Senator” from Illinois state. A Congressional Quarterly (CQ) politics monitored on BBC put the “Kenyan born” American ahead of his rivel, John McCain.”
http://www.theobamafile.com/_images/Born07.bmp


11 posted on 02/21/2011 12:28:02 PM PST by ebysan (ebysan)
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To: rxsid
See that reference to "short (abstract) versions of birth certificates"...
I see one I made the other day.
12 posted on 02/21/2011 12:28:26 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: rxsid; Red Steel; LucyT
This is great news! Leo must have determined that his advocacy for transparency of Obama’s HI records by pointing out hypocricy of Obama’s State Dept will not compromise the court cases he has on appeal for the Chrysler dealers.

Hopefully, Donofrio is laying down the groundwork for a quo warranto filing. Could these folks who have been denied passports due to home birth have standing to challenge Obama’s authority to deny them passports when his birth circumstances have been hidden? They have been directly and personally injured.

I hope that certain FReepers who insist that “where Obama was born doesn't matter” will take note of Leo Donofrio’s enthusiastic conversion to a belief and advocacy that where Obama was born _does_ matter!!!

You can believe and fully justify the founder's original intent that a US president must have unitary citizenship at birth and at the same time equally insist that birth on US soil is also a requirement and that Obama has refused to transparently release contemporaneous 1961 proof of that fact.

13 posted on 02/21/2011 12:28:37 PM PST by Seizethecarp
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To: rxsid

14 posted on 02/21/2011 12:28:37 PM PST by Hotlanta Mike (TeaNami)
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To: FortWorthPatriot

I was born in my parents’ house on my grandfather’s farm in Tennessee back in 1946. Back then, a lot of people were born at home. We had no hospital in our town then; nor was there one all that close by. Money for hospitals and doctors was scarce, too. I got a passport to travel to Holland and Germany probably 30 yrs. ago, but have no idea where it is now - probably in husband’s files if he kept our passports. - This is asinine. More communist control sorts of things designed to control us older people.


15 posted on 02/21/2011 12:47:40 PM PST by Twinkie
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To: FreeAtlanta

That’s a interesting point. WHY did Obama claim a hospital birth, rather than a home birth?


16 posted on 02/21/2011 1:11:17 PM PST by bvw
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To: bvw
He and his cronies are stupid and closed minded. They don't realize that there are a lot of people doing home births, so the thought probably never crossed their mind. They then committed themselves further to the lie by claiming Kapi'olani Medical Center for Women and Children as the manger of immaculate birth. It doesn't help that his sister said it was both Queens Hospital and Kapi'olani in two different interviews.
17 posted on 02/21/2011 1:17:19 PM PST by FreeAtlanta (Obama and the left are making a mockery of our country.)
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To: rxsid
Unfortunately, Mario Marroquin has not heard another word from Senator Cornyn or the State Department.

No suprise there. Cornyn is more interested in illegals than in US CITIZENS, which Marroquin most definitely is.

18 posted on 02/21/2011 1:33:37 PM PST by bgill (Kenyan Parliament - how could a man born in Kenya who is not even a native American become the POTUS)
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To: FreeAtlanta
Who knows? Maybe that's so, but I think the answer is another one that begs a real investigation. The way it has bounced back and forth with the two hospitals without either presenting some proofs of his birth there itself is a tell-tale that officialdom in Hawaii are just going along with what they know to be a fraud. What a benefit to the hospital that could SHOW Obama was born in it!

And if one hospital claims the birth without proof, wouldn't the other contest it?

Yet another dog that isn't barking in this matter.

19 posted on 02/21/2011 1:34:17 PM PST by bvw
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To: FreeAtlanta

He and his cronies are stupid and closed minded. They don’t realize that there are a lot of people doing home births, so the thought probably never crossed their mind. They then committed themselves further to the lie by claiming Kapi’olani Medical Center for Women and Children as the manger of immaculate birth. It doesn’t help that his sister said it was both Queens Hospital and Kapi’olani in two different interviews.


When Governor Lingle named Kapiolani as the birth hospital, it scared elected national Republicans off the issue.

“You know, during the campaign of 2008, I was actually in the mainland campaigning for Sen. McCain. This issue kept coming up so much in the campaign, and again I think it’s one of those issues that is simply a distraction from the more critical issues that are facing the country. And so I had my health director, who is a physician by background, go personally view the birth certificate in the birth records of the Department of Health, and we issued a news release at that time saying that the president was, in fact, born at Kapi’olani Hospital in Honolulu, Hawaii. And that’s just a fact. And yet people continue to call up and e-mail and want to make it an issue. And I think it’s, again, a horrible distraction for the country by those people who continue this. ... It’s been established. He was born here.”—Linda Lingle, Governor of Hawaii


And Kapiolani itself had published a letter from Obama naming that hospital as “the place of my birth.”

“The state of Hawaii says that the president was born there. That’s good enough for me.”—Rep. John Boehner (R-OH).


20 posted on 02/21/2011 1:35:29 PM PST by jamese777
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To: rxsid
Please call on Senators Kay Bailey Hutchison and John Cornyn to help Mario Marroquin and other veterans have their US citizenship status restored in the nation to which they have risked their lives in protection thereof.

Hahahahaha! As if they cared. KBH is the reason there is no fence. She's the reason they can sue the US. Thanks so much, Kay - not. Yo, RINO Kay, you promised to step down... I'm still waiting....

21 posted on 02/21/2011 1:37:05 PM PST by bgill (Kenyan Parliament - how could a man born in Kenya who is not even a native American become the POTUS)
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To: rxsid
Sounds like an "equal protection clause" case here. The current occupant of the White Hut won't produce his long form and still remains in office. A man who has produced his long form gets the run around from the State Department.
22 posted on 02/21/2011 1:39:56 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: rxsid

23 posted on 02/21/2011 1:41:54 PM PST by FreeAtlanta (Obama and the left are making a mockery of our country.)
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To: Jedidah
This story is suspect.

It does sound strange but if he gave Cornyn his bc then he couldn't have had a Texas bc unless it had been properly filed. I've know people who were older than the official who swore to witnessing their births for them to obtain bc and passports. No, that wasn't in DC or Hawaii. Once it has the seal on it, it's good to go.

24 posted on 02/21/2011 1:45:28 PM PST by bgill (Kenyan Parliament - how could a man born in Kenya who is not even a native American become the POTUS)
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To: jamese777
And Kapiolani itself had published a letter from Obama naming that hospital as “the place of my birth.”

And, then they flushed their records of the letter. Isn't that odd?

I would have thought they would have it proudly displayed in a bronze or gold framed glass case with alarm sensors and 24 hour guard.

25 posted on 02/21/2011 1:49:58 PM PST by FreeAtlanta (Obama and the left are making a mockery of our country.)
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To: FreeAtlanta

And, then they flushed their records of the letter. Isn’t that odd?

I would have thought they would have it proudly displayed in a bronze or gold framed glass case with alarm sensors and 24 hour guard.


The letter is still in thousands of published copies of the Centennial Magazine and its still available on the internet at the Kapiolani web site:
http://www.kapiolanigift.org/doc/centennial-magazine.pdf


26 posted on 02/21/2011 2:06:06 PM PST by jamese777
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To: Jedidah

While I cannot verify the particulars of this individual story, I can certainly say that the TX Vital Statistics Unit gets calls and visits on a daily basis from citizens who have been denied passports by the State Dept because their long form BC was not enough to verify citizenship, and in pretty much every one of these cases it is because they were born somewhere other than a hospital.


27 posted on 02/21/2011 2:41:56 PM PST by tarawa
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To: jamese777
The letter is still in thousands of published copies of the Centennial Magazine and its still available on the internet at the Kapiolani web site: http://www.kapiolanigift.org/doc/centennial-magazine.pdf

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I'm sorry, but I'm having trouble navigating the hospital site and so I can't find the Obama letter.

If anyone out there can help me with the hospital site so I can see the statement that says Obama was born in Kapiolani hospital, I would appreciate it.

28 posted on 02/21/2011 2:48:46 PM PST by john mirse
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To: jamese777
When Governor Lingle named Kapiolani as the birth hospital, it scared elected national Republicans off the issue.

“You know, during the campaign of 2008, I was actually in the mainland campaigning for Sen. McCain. This issue kept coming up so much in the campaign, and again I think it’s one of those issues that is simply a distraction from the more critical issues that are facing the country. And so I had my health director, who is a physician by background, go personally view the birth certificate in the birth records of the Department of Health, and we issued a news release at that time saying that the president was, in fact, born at Kapi’olani Hospital in Honolulu, Hawaii. And that’s just a fact. And yet people continue to call up and e-mail and want to make it an issue. And I think it’s, again, a horrible distraction for the country by those people who continue this. ... It’s been established. He was born here.”—Linda Lingle, Governor of Hawaii

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The former Hawaii governor's statement above is one of the funniest statements by an elected official I have ever seen.

I can't stop laughing at the absurdity of the governor's statement above.

What now? Are we supposed to suddenly and blindly start taking the word of appointed and elected official as if they were always right?

I challenge Hawaii officials: If you have Obama's long form birth certificate, I want to see if for myself. I don't want some holier-than-thou bureaucrat to tell what is or what is not on the long form certificate.

For instance, we have the present governor telling us that he can't find Obama's long form birth certificate.

So, for goodness sake, who are we to believe, the past governor or the present governor?

So I say this: If there is an Obama Hawaii long form birth certificate, then let us see it so we can see for ourselves whether or not Obama was born in Kapiolani or any other Hawaii hospital.

Do I trust appointed and elected officials to always tell us the truth? Has anyone here been following the near riot demonstrations in Wisconsin recently? It looks to me that the citizens don't trust what their elected and appointed officials are telling them.

And am I supposed to take the word of some Hawaii bureaucrat, who is not under oath, that he has seen Obama's long form birth certificate and that Obama was born in Kapiolani hospital when the present governor says that he an't find it?

Give me a break.

NOTE: Did you notice how the governor carefully avoided saying that SHE herself saw Obama's long form birth certificate? A very cautious and shrewd politician that former Hawaii governor, because if she, an elected official, had said that she had personally seen the long form birth certificate, the public and the press would put tremendous pressure on her to tell us what else was on Obama's long form birth certificate, for instance, we would like to know the name of the doctor who signed it.

29 posted on 02/21/2011 3:26:27 PM PST by john mirse
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To: rxsid

Hey, Cornyn, get your thumb out!


30 posted on 02/21/2011 4:37:23 PM PST by NonValueAdded (Palin 2012: don't retreat, just restock [chg'd to comply w/ The Civility in Discourse Act of 2011])
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To: john mirse

The former Hawaii governor’s statement above is one of the funniest statements by an elected official I have ever seen.

I can’t stop laughing at the absurdity of the governor’s statement above.

What now? Are we supposed to suddenly and blindly start taking the word of appointed and elected official as if they were always right?

I challenge Hawaii officials: If you have Obama’s long form birth certificate, I want to see if for myself. I don’t want some holier-than-thou bureaucrat to tell what is or what is not on the long form certificate.

For instance, we have the present governor telling us that he can’t find Obama’s long form birth certificate.

So, for goodness sake, who are we to believe, the past governor or the present governor?

So I say this: If there is an Obama Hawaii long form birth certificate, then let us see it so we can see for ourselves whether or not Obama was born in Kapiolani or any other Hawaii hospital.

Do I trust appointed and elected officials to always tell us the truth? Has anyone here been following the near riot demonstrations in Wisconsin recently? It looks to me that the citizens don’t trust what their elected and appointed officials are telling them.

And am I supposed to take the word of some Hawaii bureaucrat, who is not under oath, that he has seen Obama’s long form birth certificate and that Obama was born in Kapiolani hospital when the present governor says that he an’t find it?

Give me a break.

NOTE: Did you notice how the governor carefully avoided saying that SHE herself saw Obama’s long form birth certificate? A very cautious and shrewd politician that former Hawaii governor, because if she, an elected official, had said that she had personally seen the long form birth certificate, the public and the press would put tremendous pressure on her to tell us what else was on Obama’s long form birth certificate, for instance, we would like to know the name of the doctor who signed it.


You, of course are free to believe whatever you want to believe.

As I said, Governor Lingle’s statement influenced national elected Republicans. Whether it made you laugh or not is not really the point.

“The state of Hawaii says that the President was born there. That’s good enough for me.”—John Boehner, Speaker of the House.

House Majority Leader Eric I. Cantor, Virginia Republican, said Sunday he thinks President Obama is a natural-born U.S. citizen and that questions on the issue have no place in Capitol Hill policy-making discussions.

“I don’t think it’s an issue that we need to address at all,” he said on NBC‘s “Meet the Press.” “It is not an issue that even needs to be on the policy-making table right now whatsoever.”

{Former Governor Sarah Palin] said it was unwise for Republicans to keep doubts alive about the authenticity of President Obama’s birth certificate and citizenship, saying: “It’s distracting. It gets annoying. Let’s stick with what really matters.”

Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.) said Thursday morning that those who believe President Barack Obama is not a U.S. citizen or Christian should “take the president at his word,” but the Minnesota congresswoman declined to categorically call the president a U.S.-born citizen.

Asked on ABC’s “Good Morning America” about her personal views on Obama’s birthplace and religion, Bachmann said she didn’t deny the president’s claims, but wouldn’t provide any stronger endorsement.

“That isn’t for me to state, that’s for the president to state,” Bachmann said, when asked if she would “state very clearly” that Obama was a Christian-American. “When the president makes his statements, I think they should stand for their own.”


31 posted on 02/21/2011 5:24:42 PM PST by jamese777
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To: rxsid
Why is this gentleman not considered a citizen by the State Department if his father was a citizen of the United States, regardless of where he was born?

According to the State Department web site:

Early Public Records

If you were born in the United States and cannot present primary evidence of U.S. citizenship, submit a combination of early public records as evidence of your U.S. citizenship. Early public records must be submitted with a birth record or Letter of No Record. Early public records should show your name, date of birth, place of birth, and preferably be created within the first five years of your life. Examples of early public records are:
I agree with others on here. Something clearly does not add up.
32 posted on 02/21/2011 5:34:14 PM PST by devattel
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To: devattel

According to the article, it sounds like they confiscated his original copy of his birth certificate. And, that they don’t believe his copy to be true. How can they (the gov’t) know who his father is, or where he was born...if they don’t think his copy of his B.C. is genuine?


33 posted on 02/21/2011 9:24:09 PM PST by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: rxsid

“Since the Obama administration won’t honor the COLB’s of person’s born in Texas, why should Texas honor Obama’s COLB?”

Leo, I bow to your genius. I throw a (figurative) rose at your feet.


34 posted on 02/21/2011 9:55:49 PM PST by thecodont
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To: bvw; FreeAtlanta
That’s a interesting point. WHY did Obama claim a hospital birth, rather than a home birth?

My guess is that one of his younger aides dreamed up this one: someone with no sense of history or consideration of older people born years ago (in this country, hospital births didn't become popular until the 1930s, as I understand it).

35 posted on 02/21/2011 10:00:23 PM PST by thecodont
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To: rxsid

darn...I’am Protestant born in a Jewish hospital..my grandmother told me..I was missing from my little bed..she had to look for me..a small group of Jewish women took me to some kinda place in the hospital to perform a ceremony.

My grandmother said she had to retrieve me from the ladies.

Maybe it is better to be born in a house.


36 posted on 02/21/2011 10:03:31 PM PST by bushpilot1
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To: jamese777

Reputed to be Ann Dunham’s hospital bed frame.. in Kenya.


37 posted on 02/21/2011 10:09:44 PM PST by bushpilot1
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To: jamese777
Reputed to be Ann Dunham's hospital bed frame.. in Kenya. Ann Dunham's hospital bed
38 posted on 02/21/2011 10:10:28 PM PST by bushpilot1
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To: rxsid
Man, I read all the way to the end of the stinkin' article, only to find the name of nutcase and Hillary supporter Leo Donofrio, Esq. at the bottom! Silly me!

Nothing to see here, folks. Move along!

39 posted on 02/21/2011 10:15:41 PM PST by cynwoody
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To: jamese777
You, of course are free to believe whatever you want to believe.

As I said, Governor Lingle’s statement influenced national elected Republicans. Whether it made you laugh or not is not really the point.

“The state of Hawaii says that the President was born there. That’s good enough for me.”—John Boehner, Speaker of the House.

House Majority Leader Eric I. Cantor, Virginia Republican, said Sunday he thinks President Obama is a natural-born U.S. citizen and that questions on the issue have no place in Capitol Hill policy-making discussions.

“I don’t think it’s an issue that we need to address at all,” he said on NBC‘s “Meet the Press.” “It is not an issue that even needs to be on the policy-making table right now whatsoever.”

{Former Governor Sarah Palin] said it was unwise for Republicans to keep doubts alive about the authenticity of President Obama’s birth certificate and citizenship, saying: “It’s distracting. It gets annoying. Let’s stick with what really matters.”

Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.) said Thursday morning that those who believe President Barack Obama is not a U.S. citizen or Christian should “take the president at his word,” but the Minnesota congresswoman declined to categorically call the president a U.S.-born citizen.

Asked on ABC’s “Good Morning America” about her personal views on Obama’s birthplace and religion, Bachmann said she didn’t deny the president’s claims, but wouldn’t provide any stronger endorsement.

“That isn’t for me to state, that’s for the president to state,” Bachmann said, when asked if she would “state very clearly” that Obama was a Christian-American. “When the president makes his statements, I think they should stand for their own.”

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And your point is?

I hope that you are not telling us that we should blindly follow the so-called political leaders who you list above.

As you know, NONE of the elected officials you list above received 100% of the votes in their own districts, which means that a lot of voters did not agree with the elected officials' political views that you quote above.

If you can't think for yourself and you are the type that blindly believes what politicians tell you, then that is up to you.

As for me, why should I blindly accept their opinions when it comes to this Obama long form birth certificate fiasco when I don't agree with them in other matters?

For instance, look at the present Hawaii governor. One day he brags loudly that he will find Obama's long form birth certificate immediately in order to put this Obama birth certificate issue finally to rest, but just a few days later, he backpedals and says that he cannot seem to find it right now.

Again, if you want to believe the politicians who you list above when it comes to this Obama Hawaii long form birth certificate, that is up to you.

I, on the other hand, like to think for myself. And so until Obama and Hawaii officials produce Obama's Hawaii long form birth certificate, I, along with millions of others, will continue to demand that Obama and Hawaii officials produce that document so that we can determine once and for all who Obama really is.

40 posted on 02/21/2011 10:24:30 PM PST by john mirse
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To: john mirse

And your point is?

I hope that you are not telling us that we should blindly follow the so-called political leaders who you list above.

As you know, NONE of the elected officials you list above received 100% of the votes in their own districts, which means that a lot of voters did not agree with the elected officials’ political views that you quote above.

If you can’t think for yourself and you are the type that blindly believes what politicians tell you, then that is up to you.

As for me, why should I blindly accept their opinions when it comes to this Obama long form birth certificate fiasco when I don’t agree with them in other matters?

For instance, look at the present Hawaii governor. One day he brags loudly that he will find Obama’s long form birth certificate immediately in order to put this Obama birth certificate issue finally to rest, but just a few days later, he backpedals and says that he cannot seem to find it right now.

Again, if you want to believe the politicians who you list above when it comes to this Obama Hawaii long form birth certificate, that is up to you.

I, on the other hand, like to think for myself. And so until Obama and Hawaii officials produce Obama’s Hawaii long form birth certificate, I, along with millions of others, will continue to demand that Obama and Hawaii officials produce that document so that we can determine once and for all who Obama really is.


My point is that if you want action on Obama’s eligibility prior to the first Tuesday in November, 2012, then politicians and/or judges have to be influenced to take action on the issue.

However if you are ok with waiting until the first Tuesday in November, 2012, then, as you have said, tens of millions of Americans can vote to remove Obama from the presidency.


41 posted on 02/21/2011 11:34:55 PM PST by jamese777
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To: rxsid
rxsid said:

According to the article, it sounds like they confiscated his original copy of his birth certificate. And, that they don’t believe his copy to be true. How can they (the gov’t) know who his father is, or where he was born...if they don’t think his copy of his B.C. is genuine?

I see. That does make sense now. They believe the certificate is a forgery. How convenient...
42 posted on 02/22/2011 5:26:47 PM PST by devattel
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To: bvw

Same reason as somebody tried to make the birth announcements appear to be from the Hawaii State Library when they weren’t: they counted on nobody checking it out, and needed a “legitimate” story to cover up where those images really came from. Any media person who had credibly fact-checked those announcements would have at least looked in the HSL microfilms, and if they had they would have seen that the images could not be from there. They knew that nobody in the media would do genuine fact-checking.

IOW, they counted on a treasonous media, and that’s pretty much what they’ve got. Unfortunately for them, they DIDN’T count on bloggers who would do the serious investigation that the media won’t.

So the end result is that these people’s stories have been decimated by public cross-examination. Of course, they’re not worried about it because no actual legal investigator such as a US attorney, AG, state AG, etc will do the serious investigation that bloggers will do, and bloggers can’t file charges.

So basically they counted on the system being rigged in their favor. And it is. Absolutely. Which is why this isn’t really about Obama at all, but about a system that is a total failure, and if it ignores this blatant story - even after HI Gov Abercrombie has said there is no birth certificate for Obama in Hawaii - what WOULDN’T they ignore at will?


43 posted on 02/23/2011 4:31:18 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: john mirse

Especially since Lingle’s statement is documentably false: her HDOH director did NOT issue a statement saying Obama was born at Kapiolani.

If she is that inaccurate on documentable facts, how accurate would she be on things we can’t check out?

The whole thing is so full of discrepancies that if this was a court of law it would be considered that the cross-examination had destroyed the witness’ credibility.


44 posted on 02/23/2011 4:38:20 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: devattel

He should be able to get a certified copy from the Vital Records Office. I wonder if the parents kept the long-form for themselves, not realizing that doctors are supposed to submit the long-forms to the county and state authorities. Sounds like maybe the doctor messed up by giving them the certificate rather than by submitting it to the Vital Records Office, or maybe he thought they knew to submit it themselves but they didn’t.

Let’s suppose that something like that happened to Obama in Hawaii. At the point that Obama wanted a LEGAL birth certificate he would submit the evidence he has and would get a delayed birth certificate. From what the HDOH has said it seems that his name would be in the birth index and Fukino would make the same statements she made. But if he ever had to legally prove his birth facts he would have to present the delayed birth certificate to a judicial or administrative person or body, who would then have to look at what evidence supported the alleged birth facts and decide on the probative value.

So in such a case there is an avenue for a person to have their BC declared to be legally probative - but it can’t happen until the BC is actually presented as evidence to a judicial or administrative person or body. So the kindest thing a state could do for Obama if this is the case for his birth would be to ensure that the evidence was presented so the probative value could be determined.

Obviously, though, this isn’t the case with Obama’s birth because if it had been he would have eagerly presented his evidence so it could be shown to be legally convincing. Instead, he has avoided presenting evidence and has instead deceived the entire country and world by (at best) letting the lie that he was born at Kapiolani stand.

If he actually signed that letter to Kapiolani, that is perjury and charity fraud. And since he won’t deny having signed it, he either signed it or somebody else forged it and he is guilty of misprision of the felony of forgery and charity fraud by refusing to report it to law enforcement.

No matter how you slice it, at this point if Obama was not born at Kapiolani Obama is guilty of a variety of felonies.

One other point I wanted to make regarding Obama’s people counting on both the media and law enforcement being AWOL: the more evidence we have that the claims about Obama are a fraud, the more loudly people like Bill O’Reilly and Karl Rove say we are crazy. Within a week of Abercrombie - Obama’s friend and governor of Hawaii - saying that Hawaii has no birth certificate for Obama, we had loud screeching by these lemmings that “birthers are so stupid because the facts are clear”.

To me that says that O’Reilly, Rove, David Gregory, Anderson Cooper, etc are AT BEST willfully ignorant, and most likely willfully deceptive. And Obama counted on them being so. Why was Obama so confident that they would be this way? Because his lawyers had threatened the crap out of them - which also shows that Obama and his thugs are guilty of the felony of extortion.

We are talking major crimes here.


45 posted on 02/23/2011 5:06:46 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion

Yes, that’s possible, but when did Obama or his campaign first name a birth hospital? Was it when they posted an image of a BHO COLB? Or before? I don’t recollect.


46 posted on 02/23/2011 6:57:39 AM PST by bvw
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To: butterdezillion
butterdezillion said:

We are talking major crimes here.

I totally agree. With his questionable personal history, his corrupt deals in Chicago, and the Social Security and tax scandals, it is astounding this man has made it as far as he has without being in prison for the rest of his natural life.

With a complicit government comes illegitimate power. Expose Obama and you expose the government. This is a difficult pill to swallow, something all of us have to grapple with.
47 posted on 02/23/2011 8:48:36 AM PST by devattel
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