Skip to comments.Progressivism Has Been “Outed”
Posted on 02/26/2011 8:37:04 AM PST by ventanax5
Many Americans, perhaps for the first time in their lives, are beginning to recognize the contemptible nature of progressivism. How does one defend the total abandonment of the democratic process, occurring first in Wisconsin and then in Indiana, where Democrats legislators have literally run away from their responsibilities? One cantwithout revealing the bankruptcy of ones own convictions. The most satisfying aspect of it all? Americans are getting a daily dose of progressivisms only unalterable tenet: the ends justify the means.
For those of us who have long been paying attention, this isnt news. Yet plenty of Americans scoffed at the idea that those who have long engaged in class warfare, stoked racial divisiveness, and fanned the flames of national self-loathing were anything more than people expressing a different viewpoint. When push came to shove, the Constitutionally-founded restraints of the rule of law would eventually prevail, right?
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The Democrats have power because the unions have power.
If you break the unions, you break the Democrat machine.
The majority of US citizens want the unions broken.
This is a historic opportunity to pass legislation all over the country that will destroy the Democrat Party forever.
It's easy. Do it.
Democracy is nothing more or less than mob rule. We are not a democracy.
We are a representative constitutional republic. In the common vernacular, a republican government.
I for one will not read any articles about democracy. That form of government fails every time it is tried.
Nobody goes down without a fight, and the criminal leftwing element doesn't fight fair.
I kinda feel for the Democrats, if any come back I speculate they will be in harm’s way... IMHO they were TOLD to flee, and they dare not disobey! Richard Trumka is a scary guy.
“I hate the company, they will fire you... I fear the union they will kill you!” - W.V. coal miner (and probably the Wisconsin DemWit senators)
Sanction of the victim has allowed this to happen. Maybe now it will stop.
It wasn't done years ago because it wasn't easy years ago.
The government is broke at every level. There is no money. Inflation will get worse. Unemployment isn't getting better. People are looking around and noticing that everyone is suffering -- except the public employee union members. They have a sweet deal. Great benefits, great pay, great retirement package. Collective bargaining gives them strength, political contributions give them leverage, activist governments give them power.
As the troubles of this country mount, more and more people will say "I want the unions broken". And this is a snowball -- WI begets Indiana. Indiana begets Ohio. Ohio begets NJ. NJ begets Pennsylvania. Each step along the journey reduces the power of the national machine, and each step makes the next step easier.
The GOP can do this, if they want to.
They are looking for dirt, right now. If they can find one piece of dirt, on any Republican in Wisconsin, or on even one single TEA Party member, the media will whip it up into a blanket indictment of the entire movement.
This from the people who scream at our side that we're too quick to "stereotype," that we're too eager to "generalize," to "paint with a broad brush."
If they can't find any dirt on anyone in their target zone, they'll infiltrate a shill, a false-front person, and manufacture a scandal out of whole cloth.
This is happening right now, I am certain. If Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachmann and the other brains behind the TEA Party and Republican insurgence have any sense, they'll be putting their heads together to come up with ways to counteract the wave of filth that's going to be unleashed by the Left in the coming weeks.
The Tolerant, Civil Left.
” As the troubles of this country mount, more and more people will say “I want the unions broken”. And this is a snowball — WI begets Indiana. Indiana begets Ohio. Ohio begets NJ. NJ begets Pennsylvania. Each step along the journey reduces the power of the national machine, and each step makes the next step easier.
The GOP can do this, if they want to. “
Great post - you’ve really said it right.
Quick quiz, if you dont know why Woodrow Wilson was a horrible president, you don't understand Progressivism.
Just like we say “democrat party”, I’ve taken to calling them “progressivists” rather than their preferred title, “progressives” because it’s nothing to do with progress, only about their twisted form of communism.
Here is the difference between a Republic and a Democracy.
james Madison (one of the founding fathers of the US) compared Republic to Democracy and found democracy to be wanting
a republic is people maintain some control over the government by established laws through a constitution. In the modern world there are two nations whom are deemed Republics US and India
Republic forms of Government are as follows:
subset of parliamentary federal
Democracy forms of Government
subset of totalitarian democracy is dictatorship by the proleitariat (sp ?)
Open Source Governance
parliamentary system and its subsets
back to the subsets
I typed in Republic went to Wikkipedia and you can look up the forms of government for yourself
hope this helps others to see what is a Republic and what is a democracy.
The only way to combat it is to refuse to play their game. Like Christie when they said he should have come back for the snowstorm and he basically said SCREW YOU, I’m not going to cut my child’s visit to disneyland short to please the corrupt, vile midstream media when I couldn’t get back if I wanted to, and there is no reason to do so other than a photo op.” You have to be almost aggressive with them. Americans are so sick of namby-pamby that they’ll back you. That’s another domino I hope to see fall — the gonads to stand up and say FU!
Always remember: When leftists start collectively moaning about the need to follow the rules, respect precedent, and remain civil and subdued, that they are trying to put constraints on YOU, not themselves. It’s Saul Alinksy 101. Now, you may believe in these things to varying degrees, but the trick is to counter and ask earnestly why the Left doesn’t follow their own supposed moral guidelines, not to let them keep you under the spotlight of malevolent scrutiny while they run wild.
I think we would do well with a parliamentary democracy. If we had a parliament, everybody could be represented, and we could bring this government down RIGHT NOW for gross mismanagement. NO CONFIDENCE!
Moreover, if W had cleaned house, if he had moved the pendulum back to the right from the Clinton years more effectively, we would be in better shape to weather this storm.
Krauthammer just described this time in our history as the “magnificent turmoil.”
This can lead to a very necesary reset of our Republic.
It’s amazing and inspiring to see the Governors of states, and citizens of states, stepping up to the plate.
If you look at all of this as History In The Making, it’s a little easier to swallow. If I worry whether Libya is going to become part of the caliphate (it is), I will make myself sick. If I remember to observe, knowing there is nothing I can directly do to influence it, I’m much happier. These are forces that are far bigger than any of us. I’m almost happy when evil seems to triumph in some of these cases because I think it reveals truth. Evil that can be seen can be resisted. Fabian, occluded evil is so frustrating - you can yell at the top of your lungs and no one hears.
ANYONE that fights fair.... is playing a game.
They have sold entitlement as a right, even as that right crushed the housing market, destroyed state and federal budgets, and created a subset of Americans without an ounce of dignity or remorseon both ends of the class spectrum.
"Rights," the biggest lie ever perpetrated by the Left, on individuals, on society, on our government.
If something COSTS money to provide, then it cannot be a "right." Otherwise, "rights" necessarily involve a "right to ENSLAVE."
Obviously, if one person has a "right" to food, medical care, a cell phone, blah blah blah, someone else must be forced (i.e., ENSLAVED) to pay for it.
There is no right to enslave others to get what you want, or even what you "need."
When the Tea Party was protesting, we were the only people in the world protesting for our government to DO LESS. We were protesting for freedom from government, for the government to simply leave us alone. That costs no one a dime. In fact, quite the opposite, it saves a bunch of people a lot of money.
When the Flee Party protests, like other communists in the world, they are protesting for government to GIVE THEM MO MONEY. They are protesting for MORE government intervention in the labor market, for more ENSLAVEMENT of their fellow citizens for the purpose of bringing in MO MONEY.
It may be easy to do in some states but others not so much. The Chicago machine has a firm grip on Illinois and most of Illinois' politicians, including a so called "republican" U.S. Senator - Mark Kirk.
Yes, as a matter of fact, I am planning a move. Missouri, while not perfect, is head and shoulders above Illinois.
I would say to destroy the "Democrat Party as we know it." I.e., the corrupt Unionist Party that feeds on laundered taxpayer dollars.
It's interesting to think about what the new second major party will look like after the Unionists are gone, and said party has to sink or swim, funding-wise, on how well it does in the marketplace of political and economic ideas.
It may indeed continue to spout Progressivism (communism). That's one thing, though, when it isn't simultaneously feeding at the public trough through FORCED dues, which are recycled taxpayer dollars.
I appreciate that geographical dance right around Illinois. It's true, this state is hopeless.
There were so many great posts on this thread, it was too cumbersome to respond to all of them. So I just want to say to everybody, WAY TO GO! Thank you for so many interesting points.
We are (as Krauthammer says) in a period of “magnificient turmoil” in our Republic and the chances that it turns out well are rather good.
Inspiration for a new tagline.
The bankers are doing OK.
Totally agree with everything else you said.
While the book has some parts I had to doggedly plow through, overall it was fascinating and compelling. The bottom line is that the cycles of history show that we are entering a season of "winter" --- death of the old, then rebirth of something new.
The authors (remember this was written in 1997) predicted that historical cycles showed that around 2005, give or take a few years, there would be something cataclymic such as a worldwide economic crash. (2008 Great Recession anyone, which actually got rolling in 2006?) Also that world-reordering wars have happened throughout history about every 80-90 years, so we're due one between now and about 2026 (according to them).
I bring this up because of your point about realizing that there are much larger forces at work here than maybe most of us tend to pay attention to. This was one of the great things for me about reading the book: it made me realize that I'm not wrong that the world seems to be cracking up, but that winter has to come -- there is nothing we can do about it -- for there to be a reset and renewal in the future.
But it’s like removing cancer. You may not be able to get it all at first, but removing what you can still improves the prognosis for the patient.
As states start to assert themselves as political entities and, thus, create a more robust federalism (as envisioned by our founders), more and more people will vote with their feet, leaving Socialist Slave states and moving to Free States.
If a state wants to pursue Progressivist policies, fine, SO LONG AS it doesn’t stick its paw out to get its crappola funded by the rest of us. Once we get rid of wealth transfers BETWEEN THE STATES, it won’t matter what Illinois votes itself in terms of Proggie benefits, etc. If it can’t pay for them out of its own resources, buhbye.
Excellent article, excellent thread. We should all link to this on facebook or wherever. The more this gets read the better.
I agree our side has been too polit for far too long.When they lie call them liars, when they cheat call them crooks etc. Threat them lke the children they are and point out just how stupid their ideas are and Americans will listen because they are ready for the message.If we all run out homes like the democrats have run this country we’d all be homeless.
I agree our side has been too polite for far too long.When they lie call them liars, when they cheat call them crooks etc. Threat them lke the children they are and point out just how stupid their ideas are and Americans will listen because they are ready for the message.If we all run out homes like the democrats have run this country we’d all be homeless.
“Social Justice” = slavery.
All the stuff people are supposedly “entitled” to as a matter of “social justice” requires other people to be forced, i.e., enslaved, to pay for it.
“The majority of US citizens want the unions broken.”
I don’t agree. But the majority want union power reined in. If membership was optional, I wouldn’t have a problem. I suspect 30% or more of the membership would opt out the day it went into effect.
Definitely! Social justice is all about enslaving the people with promises of redistributing the wealth. They do run out of other peoples money and then they are incapacitated and totally helpless. They know nothing useful.
Current use of the term “Progressive” came about when Hilary Clinton and other liberals decided to change the word “liberal” to something else.
They are the same old wrong headed ineffective liberals.
While nobody should be surprised by these peoples disrespect for the rule of law or even their own responsibilities, I’ll admit that even I’m shocked by how blatant they’ve been. The situation has been managed masterfully by Wisconsin republicans, though. I don’t know how they’ll ever manage to work together again even if those coward dems do at some point actually honor their responsibilities.
And their claim of a “War on the Middle Class?” What Middle Class are they talking about? How can their work situation possibly be related to anyone working in the real world? This is a privileged, pampered group, as ditching work for a week and not getting in trouble for it proves.
I don’t understand why their hasn’t been a bigger backlash.
I was thinking about just this topic the other day, and I thought that someday this will be known as the Oil Age. As long as the most venal, backward, and downright mean people on the earth have more money pouring out of the ground than they could ever spend, this crap is bound to happen - has been bound to happen for over sixty years. I partially welcome the collapse. I don’t think I could bear this world and this country continuing down this road to more and more and more repression, this calling of evil good and good evil. Just can’t take it. But I ask myself this: How fat CAN a government get before it collapses under it’s own weight? Answer? We’re fixing to find out.
I agree with you.
Another way of looking at is that SLAVERY always, eventually leads to a revolution, peaceful or not.
Socialism, including the U.S.-type of entitlement socialism, is a form of slavery. If someone has a “right” to stuff that costs money, that means that someone must be forced (i.e., enslaved) to pay for it.
This is why socialism is unsustainable from both the point-of-view of the taker (the government eventually runs out of other people’s money) and the producer (at some point slavery just becomes utterly intolerable).
As for oil, if the Middle East cut it off completely, while it would destabilizing for a while, I believe that within a year or two -— so long as our government gets the hell out of the way -— American scientists and engineers would have a work-around that the market would accept and soon thereafter thrive on.
The Middle East, however, would then go back to the STone Age, at least for a while. Which is not necessarily a bad thing if it keeps extremism there while the rest of the world resets.
“I’m leaving and I’m taking my ball with me!”
“No public employee unions, no Democratic party” JB Williams
News With Views. Corollary: No Democratic Party, no RINOs
I agree. Let’s start with recalling James Madison on
“pure democracies” ; vile, brutal and short, and take
note of Article IV section 4, guaranteeing to every state
a *republican* form of government.
Richard Fernandez, in “That Lonesome Road” at his PJM blog
The Belmont Club, says the same, drawing parallels between
the unions and Qaddafi.
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