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Accidental Shooting At A Bloomington Gun Show
armedselfdefense.blogspot.com/ ^ | 02/28/11 | Posted by jgh at 6:46 AM

Posted on 02/28/2011 7:03:56 AM PST by Sasparilla

There was what appears to be a shooting accident on Saturday at a gun show in Bloomington, Indiana. A rifle went off as a person attending the show put it down on a vendor’s table. The bullet hit wood and two persons were hit by flying wood. One person had small wounds from the flying wood and refused medical treatment.

But, another man was hit by the flying wood and what is believed to be a .223 round. The bullet went through his arm and then struck another person.

One of the victims was reported to be in critical condition at a local hospital. Tests will be done to determine if the bullet came from the rifle. The bullet was recovered.

The show resumed after the injured left the building. At least one state has criminal penalties for accidental discharge of firearms at gun shows. There's an explanation of Arizona's law below. A visitor at the gun show turned on his cell phone camera right after the shooting. Here’s the video...

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TOPICS: Local News
KEYWORDS: banglist; gunsafety; gunshow

1 posted on 02/28/2011 7:04:00 AM PST by Sasparilla
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To: Sasparilla

Not accidental. If there was a chambered round, it’s negligence. If a patron loaded it, it’s deliberate and criminal.


2 posted on 02/28/2011 7:06:58 AM PST by DBrow
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To: Sasparilla

I’ve never understood how this could happen. If I were laying weapons out for sale, I’d check them twice...always amazes me.


3 posted on 02/28/2011 7:08:50 AM PST by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: Sasparilla

So why the heck was there a cartridge in bloomin’ rifle?
A vendor should have known better and guest’s should should have been cleared when checked in.


4 posted on 02/28/2011 7:10:55 AM PST by Little Ray (The Gods of the Copybook Heading, with terror and slaughter return!)
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To: Sasparilla; DBrow
Although I suspect it's the result of negligence/stupidity, I would not rule out the work of an agent provocateur trying to make gun shows fit the left's stereotypes.
5 posted on 02/28/2011 7:11:19 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Sasparilla

What horrible reporting. The whole thing sounds highly suspicious to me


6 posted on 02/28/2011 7:13:40 AM PST by LegendHasIt
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To: Sasparilla

1. ALWAYS keep the gun pointed in a safe direction.

2. ALWAYS keep your finger off the trigger until ready to shoot.

3. ALWAYS keep the gun unloaded until ready to use.

Someone didn’t learn the basics. Every time I pick up a gun, I check whether it is loaded, and I doubt that there has been even one exception (except when using the weapon for self-defense) since I was just learning in elementary school and a single error meant no shooting for a year.


7 posted on 02/28/2011 7:13:40 AM PST by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: Sasparilla

They obviously forgot to follow the very first rule of gun safety.

Always, always, ALWAYS treat every gun as if it was loaded.

Then follow the second rule.

Keep your freakin’ finger off the trigger until you are ready to shoot.

Followed by the third.

Always point the gun in a safe direction.

Just because you are at a gun show does not mean the rules don’t apply, should be taken for granted, or allows you to be a slacker on vigilance toward the rules.


8 posted on 02/28/2011 7:14:35 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Sasparilla
Let me help this writer out here.

Two innocent people were shot and could have been killed because some diphsit decided it would be a good idea to load a firearm at a gun show and some other diphsit who had guns laying out on a table for sale wasn't paying attention to what people were doing handling his guns, especially the diphsit who loaded one of them. (Or maybe the guy with guns for sale loaded it himself and he was the diphsit.)

Two other innocent bystanders were hurt by flying debris and were likewise fortunate not to have been killed or wounded.

It is unknown whether criminal charges have been filed, but at least four civil suits are pending.

9 posted on 02/28/2011 7:17:18 AM PST by OKSooner (Obama confessed "his muslim faith" on the George Stephanopolous show on September 7th, 2008.)
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To: Pollster1
And #4 of Colonel Cooper's rules: "All Guns are Always Loaded." And treat them like it.

Seriously, a chambered round at a gun show? I agree with other posters: either negligence or criminal. In either case, it's prosecution time. This kind of crap is just what the Commies want so they can shut down the gun shows.

10 posted on 02/28/2011 7:20:52 AM PST by backwoods-engineer (Any politician who holds that the state accords rights is an oathbreaker and an "enemy... domestic.")
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To: DBrow

At the gun shows I go to they always have tie wraps through the chamber to prevent something like this.


11 posted on 02/28/2011 7:27:43 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Sasparilla

Doesn’t pass the smell text. EVERY gun show I’ve been to, all firearms must have the chamber open and a blocker (usually a wire tie or the like) through the action. EVERY ONE.


12 posted on 02/28/2011 7:28:29 AM PST by piytar (Obastard is a use of the term "bastard" in the literal sense -- Obama is hiding his daddy's identity)
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To: Sasparilla

Doesn’t pass the smell test. EVERY gun show I’ve been to, all firearms must have the chamber open and a blocker (usually a wire tie or the like) through the action. EVERY ONE.


13 posted on 02/28/2011 7:28:51 AM PST by piytar (Obastard is a use of the term "bastard" in the literal sense -- Obama is hiding his daddy's identity)
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To: piytar
Yep, that was my first thought too.
14 posted on 02/28/2011 7:31:43 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Joe 6-pack
I would not rule out the work of an agent provocateur trying to make gun shows fit the left's stereotypes.

Maybe my tinfoil is on too tight, but I've been to too many of these shows to think this was "accidental" in any form.

15 posted on 02/28/2011 7:33:06 AM PST by Dead Corpse (III%. The last line in the sand)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

The first question is why was the gun loaded.

However, many people are oblivious when they handle one that’s for sale at gun shows or gun stores.

As a frequent gun show and gun store visitor, I have seen people pick up a pistol, and when handling it, point it obliviously at the person behind the counter or gun show table or at someone else across the way. Most long guns are laying on tables pointing at the person behind the table or the aisle behind the table. But, other sellers have their rifles in racks pointing at the ceiling.

Hydrazine, you are right. You can never be a slacker. But, some people’s brains just become blank mindless jelly when handling guns.


16 posted on 02/28/2011 7:33:29 AM PST by Sasparilla
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To: lacrew

All weapons at gun shows are supposed to have their breeches disabled with tie-wraps. Someone should get the book thrown at them, if they can figure out for sure who removed (or failed to install) the tie and loaded the weapon.


17 posted on 02/28/2011 7:34:02 AM PST by Erasmus (Personal goal: Have a bigger carbon footprint than Tony Robbins.)
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To: wagglebee
The ATF is walking guns across the Mexican border to drum up support for more gun laws.

You think this couldn't be the same sort of thing?

18 posted on 02/28/2011 7:35:27 AM PST by Lazamataz (Scott Walker: Please FIRE.... then APPOINT... then VOTE.)
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To: OKSooner
It is unknown whether criminal charges have been filed, but at least four civil suits are pending.

The gun show organizers will be sued, of course. Their insurance will either settle or lose in a court case. The next year's insurance will be cancelled or it premium will go sky high. The gun show will substantially jack entrance and table prices, or go out of business.

19 posted on 02/28/2011 7:37:06 AM PST by Erasmus (Personal goal: Have a bigger carbon footprint than Tony Robbins.)
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To: DBrow; Sasparilla

[Not accidental. If there was a chambered round, it’s negligence. If a patron loaded it, it’s deliberate and criminal.]

“Accidental”? NOT!

Amen DBrow.


20 posted on 02/28/2011 7:44:58 AM PST by Blue Collar Christian
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To: Joe 6-pack
I would not rule out the work of an agent provocateur trying to make gun shows fit the left's stereotypes.

Ditto.

21 posted on 02/28/2011 7:47:28 AM PST by bgill (Kenyan Parliament - how could a man born in Kenya who is not even a native American become the POTUS)
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To: Sasparilla

At all Washington state gun shows all guns have to have their actions tied back with plastic ties; they have to either go through the action down through where the magazine clips in, or in lever action rifles around the stock through the lever. No guns are allowed to have the magazines attached. They are not allowed to be removed until you leave the premises.


22 posted on 02/28/2011 7:53:01 AM PST by ReverendJames (Only A Painter Or A Liberal Can Change Black To White.)
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To: Lazamataz
The whole thing sounds fishy.

First of all, guns at gun shows ALWAYS have a zip tie or something similar through the chambers.

Secondly, the tables don't just have ammo laying around.

Third, a gun doesn't just "go off" when someone puts it down.

This rifle will be taken by the authorities for their investigation. Unless there is some major problem with it, the ONLY WAY it could have fired was for someone to pull the trigger.

I would like to think that if the gun grabbers were behind this that they would at least have enough sense to point the gun so that it wouldn't hit someone, but they might figure that anyone at a gun show deserves what they get.

23 posted on 02/28/2011 7:53:19 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Sasparilla
At all Washington state gun shows all guns have to have their actions tied back with plastic ties; they have to either go through the action down through where the magazine clips in, or in lever action rifles around the stock through the lever. No guns are allowed to have the magazines attached. They are not allowed to be removed until you leave the premises.

Ps. You are not allowed to conceal carry or have cameras. No mention of cellphone cameras though. Weird.

24 posted on 02/28/2011 7:54:17 AM PST by ReverendJames (Only A Painter Or A Liberal Can Change Black To White.)
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To: Blue Collar Christian

Should dust the spent cartridge for prints


25 posted on 02/28/2011 7:58:06 AM PST by going hot (Happiness is a Momma Deuce)
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To: Sasparilla

And the gun was loaded because?????? That is Gun Safety 101.


26 posted on 02/28/2011 8:08:51 AM PST by ninergold3 (Let Go and Let God - He IS In Control)
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To: ReverendJames

http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_8aa90350-42ea-11e0-a641-001cc4c002e0.html

B-N man gives his account of accidental shooting at gun show

Bloomington resident Jim Webb said he was standing in the southwest corner of the building, about 20 feet from where an attendee at the show was handling a mini-14 semiautomatic rifle at about 11:15 a.m. As the patron was laying the rifle back on a vendor table, the gun accidentally discharged, said McLean County Sheriff Mike Emery.

Webb said everything appeared normal before the incident.
“All of a sudden, I heard a very loud gunshot,” he said. “Dead silence filled the air for what seemed to be about 10 very long seconds. My initial concern was wondering if there would be any gun shots to follow. After the ten seconds were up, a few people started shouting, ‘Call 911!’ People began to panic and I had realized this must have been an accidental discharge and walked to where the people were shouting.”

Webb grabbed his cellphone and started shooting video, which he later posted on YouTube.

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27 posted on 02/28/2011 8:09:13 AM PST by digger48
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To: driftdiver
At the gun shows I go to they always have tie wraps through the chamber to prevent something like this.

Or all firearms are checked by cops before you get in the door with them. That coupled with the fact that I stopped believing in firearms that go off spontaneously when you clean them or set them down.

Something doesn't sound right here.

28 posted on 02/28/2011 8:11:47 AM PST by Kenton (Just my $0.02 worth...)
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To: Erasmus

I guess not all gun shows are created equal...I have never been to one with anything in the breeches. Wannabe gang bangers were all around test the action, and dry firing...maybe I need to go to a better gun show :)


29 posted on 02/28/2011 8:24:33 AM PST by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: digger48

Question is how did the round wind up in the gun and didn’t the vendor check his weapons as he put them out? I guess not.


30 posted on 02/28/2011 8:26:43 AM PST by ReverendJames (Only A Painter Or A Liberal Can Change Black To White.)
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To: Joe 6-pack

That is a very paranoid suspicion. IMHO paranoia is good policy given our enemies. “They” really are out to get us.


31 posted on 02/28/2011 8:36:07 AM PST by magslinger (Samuel Colt, feminist. Making women equal to men for over 150 years.)
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To: ReverendJames
Some notes after watching the video at the link:

1. Looked like a fairly well set up vendor. Visa/Master card placard neatly displayed. Well presented firearms, clean and well placed.

2. Not enough detail in the video to obviously show the condition of the actions; whether zip tied or not. Obviously not blocked with something large. Since some of the pistols on the back table look like they are fully closed, and there was nothing obvious tied to the triggers, I'm guessing there was no provision for keeping a round from being chambered.

3. Reasonably calm response by the cops. Including the undercover guy whose face is now all over the internet. He's the one seen with his badge wallet out securing the Mini-14 in question until a couple of uniformed officers show up.

32 posted on 02/28/2011 8:38:16 AM PST by Dead Corpse (III%. The last line in the sand)
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To: magslinger
"That is a very paranoid suspicion. IMHO paranoia is good policy given our enemies. “They” really are out to get us."

It was not a .22LR, it was not a .243 or a .30-30. It wasn't a .38 Special or a .40 S&W, or a 270 Winchester. Of all the firearms to "AD" at a Gun Show, it just happend to be a .223, and I'd be willing to bet it *wasn't* a TC Contender, a Steyr Scout or a Remington 700. It was almost certainly one of those evil "black" rifles.

Sounds just a bit too convenient to me.

33 posted on 02/28/2011 8:41:35 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Dead Corpse

It’s interesting how the crowd maintained calmness and the professionalism of security. No panic just people calling 911. It’s just curious why the gun actions were not (at least in this case) disabled with plastic ties.


34 posted on 02/28/2011 8:43:58 AM PST by ReverendJames (Only A Painter Or A Liberal Can Change Black To White.)
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To: piytar

My experience has been the same at gun shows - breeches must be open and disabled from closing with a physical device (a wrap-around tie of some sort). Open ammo is not allowed anywhere near displayed firearms. Someone stupid is going to get sued, big-time.


35 posted on 02/28/2011 8:50:09 AM PST by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
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To: Sasparilla

I think Bloomington ceased to be part of Indiana a long time ago. I should know, I went to IU :(


36 posted on 02/28/2011 8:53:00 AM PST by Hoosier Catholic Momma (I'm not breaking down, I'm breaking out...last chance to lose control.--Muse 'Hysteria')
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To: lacrew

first this was in Bloomington Illinois, second the mini-14 had been laying on the table from 9am till 11 am..I don’t(can’t) believe it had not been touched in all that time...my father and I were about 5 tables away when the gun went off.


37 posted on 02/28/2011 8:58:20 AM PST by sick of change
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To: Sasparilla
Gun shows are still safer than the streets of Detroit, Chicago, DC....
38 posted on 02/28/2011 9:03:36 AM PST by Niteranger68 (Jared Lee Loughner - Disciple of Michael Moore)
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To: LegendHasIt

At our area gunshows every weapon has a zip-tie run through the action so the weapon may not be fired without removing the tie. A LEO puts the tie in place if your bringing in a weapon to try and sell it, and ALL vendors must zip-tie their weapons on display or they will not be allowed in the show. Like you, this sounds like a staged occurance. NEVER trust the progressive bastards now running the government.


39 posted on 02/28/2011 9:06:36 AM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: LegendHasIt

At our area gunshows every weapon has a zip-tie run through the action so the weapon may not be fired without removing the tie. A LEO puts the tie in place if you’re bringing in a weapon to try and sell it, and ALL vendors must zip-tie their weapons on display or they will not be allowed in the show. Like you, this sounds like a staged occurance. NEVER trust the progressive bastards now running the government.


40 posted on 02/28/2011 9:06:50 AM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: Kenton

I don’t think cops do the checking here, if they are cops then they are off duty. I don’t see anything that makes cops more capable of checking a firearm than some other responsible person.

Only bad thing I’ve ever had happen at a gun show was when I had my wife with me. Got a Sieg Heil from one vendor and had another refuse to wait on me. My wife is Asian so they evidently had a problem with that.


41 posted on 02/28/2011 9:20:23 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: sick of change

5 tables away, bet that was interesting


42 posted on 02/28/2011 9:23:50 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Joe 6-pack

Ruger. Mini-14. Not an AR or an AK, but still on the liberals “OMGWTFBarbecue” list.


43 posted on 02/28/2011 10:17:19 AM PST by Dead Corpse (III%. The last line in the sand)
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To: lacrew

Kinda scary.

I overstated my case w.r.t. the gun shows. My experience is only with those in Texas and Florida.

I must say, though, that I am mystified that a show could get insurance coverage without strictly enforcing the action tie-up on all weapons.


44 posted on 02/28/2011 10:20:09 AM PST by Erasmus (Personal goal: Have a bigger carbon footprint than Tony Robbins.)
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To: sick of change

Was there a zip tie in the breech like some people are describing? If I were a vendor, I would look through every barrel to make sure they were clear...is there a change the customer actually put the round in? And I’m with another poster - sometimes skeptical of drops, thinking the trigger was pulled. Tin foil hat thinking - an anti-gun activist who goes around gun shows loading the weapons?


45 posted on 02/28/2011 10:55:03 AM PST by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: Sasparilla
One person had small wounds from the flying wood and refused medical treatment.

But, another man was hit by the flying wood and what is believed to be a .223 round. The bullet went through his arm and then struck another person.

One of the victims was reported to be in critical condition at a local hospital.

That certainly is a strange order in which to report the injuries. One guy was hit by flying wood and refused treatment, another was shot through the arm, and, by the way, a third is in critical condition at the hospital.
46 posted on 02/28/2011 11:07:25 AM PST by Bob
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To: going hot

Bet they don’t.


47 posted on 02/28/2011 2:13:38 PM PST by Blue Collar Christian
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To: digger48

Why no discussion about who “put it down”? Nobody pulls a trigger when putting a gun down unless they want it to fire.


48 posted on 02/28/2011 7:50:28 PM PST by ctdonath2 (Great children's books - http://www.UsborneBooksGA.com)
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To: Sasparilla
I'm an absolute Nazi about keepng my guns unloaded when I am not at the range. I take every precaution in the book, and some that aren't (such as removing the bolts from rifles for transport and empty cyclng and dry-firing pistols at the end of my session). Nevertheless, I once fould a gun in storage with a round in the chamber. I still do not know how it happened.

The moral of this story is You Can't Be To Careful. I'd never think of picking up any gun without immediately checking the chamber, and anyone who puts his finger inside the triggerguard when he's not aiming at a safe target shouldn't be allowed to touch a gun in the first place.

49 posted on 03/01/2011 7:11:06 AM PST by jboot
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