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Why Libertarians Are Wrong About Immigration
American Rattlesnake ^ | February 28, 2011 | Gerard Perry

Posted on 02/28/2011 12:38:35 PM PST by OddLane

The ringleaders behind the premeditated murder of special agent Zapata continue to be rounded up south of the border, including two very important handlers of the criminals who shot Zapata and his fellow ICE agent, Victor Avila.

However, I’d like take a step back from the gritty details of this investigation and examine the some of the misguided media coverage of the purported “root causes” of the attack on these two courageous ICE agents. Specifically, the ongoing libertarian narrative that decriminalizing drugs and opening our borders will somehow cause narco-criminal/paramilitary groups like the Zetas and Beltran-Levy cartels to magically disappear.

For the record, I do support some form of marijuana decriminalization, not because I think it will be a panacea for solving the problems currently afflicting Mexico, but because I believe the costs of enforcing pot prohibition have come to outweigh the perceived benefits to the American public. Plus, it is the sort of drug that can be regulated in a relatively routine manner, a la alcohol or tobacco, without incurring great social or economic costs as a society. It would probably decrease the profit margin of most Mexican drug cartels as well, since over sixty percent of the drugs that are imported to the U.S. through Mexico are controlled by gangs that subsist on the profits of marijuana cultivation and/or distribution.

That being said, one of the things that irritates me to no end is the assumption by the left-and for the purposes of this discussion, I’ll include libertarians in that group since they agree with the left wholeheartedly on both Mexico and emigration from Mexico-is the notion that it is the proliferation of drugs in this country-and violence directly related to those drugs in Mexico-is somehow uniquely America’s responsibility.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; Miscellaneous; Politics
KEYWORDS: aliens; americanrattlesnake; drugs; mexico

1 posted on 02/28/2011 12:38:38 PM PST by OddLane
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To: OddLane

Libertarians would let a billion Chinese come to the US.


2 posted on 02/28/2011 12:52:54 PM PST by Revenge of Sith
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To: OddLane

Libertarians would let a billion Chinese come to the US.


3 posted on 02/28/2011 12:53:08 PM PST by Revenge of Sith
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To: OddLane

Libertarians would let a billion Chinese come to the US.


4 posted on 02/28/2011 12:53:08 PM PST by Revenge of Sith
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To: OddLane

Libertarians would let a billion Chinese come to the US.


5 posted on 02/28/2011 12:53:08 PM PST by Revenge of Sith
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To: OddLane

Libertarians would let a billion Chinese come to the US.


6 posted on 02/28/2011 12:53:19 PM PST by Revenge of Sith
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To: OddLane

Libertarians would let a billion Chinese come to the US.


7 posted on 02/28/2011 12:53:19 PM PST by Revenge of Sith
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To: OddLane

Libertarians would let a billion Chinese come to the US.


8 posted on 02/28/2011 12:53:19 PM PST by Revenge of Sith
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To: OddLane

Libertarians would let a billion Chinese come to the US.


9 posted on 02/28/2011 12:53:30 PM PST by Revenge of Sith
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To: OddLane

Libertarians would let a billion Chinese come to the US.


10 posted on 02/28/2011 12:53:38 PM PST by Revenge of Sith
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To: OddLane

I am Libertarian and I am only for legal immigration. I think all illegals should be deported.


11 posted on 02/28/2011 12:54:46 PM PST by screaminsunshine (34 States)
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To: Revenge of Sith

That 9 billion Chinese. Dude.


12 posted on 02/28/2011 12:55:53 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (Yes, as a matter of fact, what you do in your bedroom IS my business.)
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To: Revenge of Sith

And you’re going to post to each one of em...


13 posted on 02/28/2011 12:56:58 PM PST by skeeter
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To: OddLane

Liberals support the “War on Drugs”.

They think we’re responsible for Mexico’s murders because we supply the guns.


14 posted on 02/28/2011 1:01:43 PM PST by secretagent
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To: Responsibility2nd
LOL.

Someone's enter key is busted.

15 posted on 02/28/2011 1:03:06 PM PST by OddLane
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To: secretagent
And consumption of drugs.

Carolla is for legalizing drugs too-at least, according to his book-but this guilt trip that's laid on us because we're the evil white man oppressing poor, brown Mexicans-who can't do anything to improve their own lives, evidently-has got to end.

16 posted on 02/28/2011 1:04:52 PM PST by OddLane
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To: Revenge of Sith

That is the most serious stuttering problem I’ve ever seen on FR, you need to have a doctor check it out.


17 posted on 02/28/2011 1:21:24 PM PST by tx_eggman (Liberalism is only possible in that moment when a man chooses Barabas over Christ.)
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To: Revenge of Sith
Or Prato
18 posted on 02/28/2011 1:22:55 PM PST by OddLane
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To: screaminsunshine

I’m Libertarian leaning and I want all immigration stopped for at least 2 years, troops on the border and round up each and every prescious illegal in the country and boot their butts back across the border where they belong.


19 posted on 02/28/2011 1:37:15 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

:0)


20 posted on 02/28/2011 1:37:59 PM PST by OddLane
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To: OddLane
Specifically, the ongoing libertarian narrative that decriminalizing drugs and opening our borders will somehow cause narco-criminal/paramilitary groups like the Zetas and Beltran-Levy cartels to magically disappear.

Faulty premise here. Libertarians don't believe they'll disappear. They believe that these organizations will morph into legitimate business entities once their business is made legitimate. That by having their business illegal, they have no legal recourse when 'contracts' are violated. So they have to use the only option left; naked force.

21 posted on 02/28/2011 1:54:45 PM PST by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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How will a group that's predicated upon extortion and racketeering become a legal business?

Presumably, it'll simply move on to exploit another form of contraband if/when smuggling drugs becomes less profitable.

22 posted on 02/28/2011 2:00:29 PM PST by OddLane
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To: gogogodzilla
I'm not claiming that we shouldn't look into legalizing pot, or even some illegal narcotics-although I think the solutions the LP proposes to this problem are too simplistic.

I'm simply saying that to lay the blame at the doorstep of America, rather than the endemically corrupt, incompetent rulers of Mexico, is a misguided strategy.

Mexico would still be Mexico, regardless of whether we legalize drugs, or even allow more Mexicans to immigrate to the U.S.

Saying that prohibition is responsible for Mexico's problems is like saying Mexico would have the same standard of living as the United States, if only we hadn't invaded it in 1846.

23 posted on 02/28/2011 2:05:33 PM PST by OddLane
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To: OddLane
but this guilt trip that's laid on us because we're the evil white man oppressing poor, brown Mexicans-who can't do anything to improve their own lives, evidently-has got to end.

"Some people can't help themselves": the main premise of the War on Drugs.

24 posted on 02/28/2011 2:13:39 PM PST by secretagent
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To: tx_eggman

I’m sorry. There was something wrong with my computer.


25 posted on 02/28/2011 2:35:40 PM PST by Revenge of Sith
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To: Revenge of Sith

That’s right, blame the computer. You know it’s thing like that that lead to the Rise of the (Angry) Machines, don’t you?

/snark


26 posted on 02/28/2011 3:40:59 PM PST by piytar (Obastard is a use of the term "bastard" in the literal sense -- Obama is hiding his daddy's identity)
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To: piytar

Heh.


27 posted on 02/28/2011 4:33:32 PM PST by OddLane
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To: OddLane

Libertarians believe a nation can be built upon abstractions. That is quite possibly the dumbest idea floating around the political spectrum.

Letting a billion foreigners settle en masse in this country would be more devastating than dropping the atomic bomb on Japan.


28 posted on 02/28/2011 6:17:03 PM PST by WilliamHouston
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To: WilliamHouston
Libertarians believe a nation can be built upon abstractions. That is quite possibly the dumbest idea floating around the political spectrum.

There's quite a few who post here who believe in the concept of a "propositional nation", even though it's an oxymoron.

29 posted on 02/28/2011 7:24:45 PM PST by triumphant values (Never criticize that to your right.)
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To: WilliamHouston
A perfect illustration is Shikha Dalmia during her debate with Mark Krikorian.

I bet she didn't even recognize the supreme irony of the person wearing a t-shirt with the word "reason" emblazoned across it being the most irrational interlocutor.

30 posted on 02/28/2011 9:18:12 PM PST by OddLane
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To: OddLane

Open borders will insure a decline in our standard of living as we slip into third world status.


31 posted on 03/02/2011 7:03:33 PM PST by doc
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To: doc
That seems to be the plan.
32 posted on 03/02/2011 7:34:06 PM PST by OddLane
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