Skip to comments.Officer Puts His Firearm In A Jail Lock Box And Shoots Himself And A Border Patrol Agent
Posted on 03/08/2011 12:12:24 PM PST by Sasparilla
An officer is sure to become the "Butt" of station house jokes after a holding area video surveillance camera shows him shooting himself in the rear. The bullet also hit a Border Patrol Officer. Here's the video...
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not only that he left his firearm laying on the ground unsecured right next to those prisoners.
In before the glock bashing.
Cops with guns are a public menace!
Looks to me like he was taking his gun out of the lockbox.
He was retrieving his weapon.
Never attempt to holster your weapon with your finger on the trigger, and this sort of thing won’t happen.
“Looks to me like he was taking his gun out of the lockbox.”
I think you are right. It looks like was putting it somewhere on his backside
Must have been the booger hook on the bang switch.
Ohhhh, nice one ...
Maybe they should invent a thing called a ‘safety lock’, and put them on all guns.
I’ve ‘heard’ that you can remove the cartridges from the chamber or magazine, and that it will help keep the gun from accidentally firing.
From this moment forward, for the remainder of my life, when referring to firearms, I will never use the terms “finger” or “trigger.” I will only use “booger hook” and “bang switch.”
Strapless holsters like the SERPA allow materials to enter the trigger guard. If you aren’t careful your coat zipper or other loose fitting items can cycle the trigger when you slide the weapon into the holster.
Not a good LE day.
“not only that he left his firearm laying on the ground unsecured right next to those prisoners.”
Leaving it with the prisoners was probably safer than him handling it.
The S&W MP40c (and other calibers) comes with or without a thumb safety.
I purchased the ‘with’ model. IMO carrying a pistol with a loaded chamber and no safety is asking for trouble.
Yes, Glocks have 3 ‘safeties’. But the long and short of it is, pull the trigger..Bang. No other manipulation is necessary.
Did the boarder patrol agent then throw a bean bag at him?
Bookmarked for later viewing...
But Glock did put on on their gun. It's on the trigger, so you have to pull the trigger before you can pull the trigger...
When you draw your 1911 A1 how long does it take to rack the slide then aim?
How long does it take to take the thumb safety off?
How long does it take to move it from half cock to full cock?
I sure prefer mine to a Glock.
The answer is to put a “New York” 5.5 lb pull trigger on the Glock. (NOT.)
If you carry chamber empty, then it doesn’t matter if it’s a 1911 or a Glock. If you carry cocked and locked, then the 1911’s thumb and grip safties are better than the Glock’s ‘Safe Action’ trigger, but then you have to remove the thumb safety on the 1911.
All you have to remember in the Glock is to pull the trigger very firmly, because your Department thinks you’re as dumb and the guy in the video.
I guess I’m saying that I can’t imagine many scenarios where I wouldn’t have time to rack the slide.
I only like one in the chamber when I am pointed downrange.
A "New York" Glock trigger is 12 or 14 lb.
The stock trigger on a Glock is 5.5 lb.
A "New York" Glock trigger is 12 or 14 lb.
The 5.5 lb trigger is the standard pull weight for glocks NY triggers come in 8lb and 12 lb pul weights.
Even Glock seems a little confused because they claim the NY1 trigger is 11 lbs, and the NY2 is even stiffer at ... 11 lbs.
That’s a special feature available on Glocks, I hear. /S
I’ve owned and carried a glock for over 10 years. Granted I’m not a highly trained LEO but my firearm has never “accidentally” discharged.
“I guess Im saying that I cant imagine many scenarios where I wouldnt have time to rack the slide.”
I used to think that, then someone tried to carjack me. I got away without firing any shots and fortunately their gun jammed.
I would not have had time to chamber a round if their gun had not jammed. no way, no how
just my 2 cents
He hit him with the feather that replaced his baton.
w/o a doubt, it would be easy to get within arms length before i *knew* it was a BG...
1911 is designed to be cocked, and it wont fire w/o the trigger pulled even if UN-locked'...now theres $.04 on the table...
LOLOLOL...God, I needed that today. Thanks.
It’s a trade-off. When I carry a 1911 I also generally carry it with an empty chamber. I also train that way and have gotten proficient at the draw-rack-aim drill. There is time between drawing and aiming, too... and this time can be used to rack the slide on the way up. I just don’t like carrying a pistol with the hammer back on a live round. I’ve decided that for me, it’s an acceptable trade for the significant reduction in risk. I never use the safety switch. Ever.
However... when I carry my Sig, I carry it with a round in the chamber and the hammer down. It has a long double-action trigger for the first round. In this way, it’s not any different than carrying a revolver.
Who would carry a revolver with the hammer back, in a holster? Nobody. Well... nobody ~smart~ anyway. A safety switch just isn’t enough insurance, either. :-)
I’m not saying it can’t be done. I just think that the possibility of the trigger getting caught on a coat, cell phone, mascara pencil in a purse, etc. has to be given some consideration and precautions taken.
For me that is adding another layer of safety. A New York trigger could add that layer also. Or carry Israeli style, empty chamber.
NY 1 increases pull from 5.5 lb to 11 lb
NY 2 increases pull from 7 lb to 11 lb
Stock trigger is 5.5 lb
To paraphrase the late Richard Pryor:
“Motherf#%ker shot me in the @as!”
“Im not saying it cant be done. I just think that the possibility of the trigger”
I agree its a consideration. Proper training, care, and a good holster are how I address this concern.
It just hasn’t happened yet. I own four and have for years. I don’t trust them fully loaded and ready to fire. They are an unforgiving master when it comes to vigilance.
If you’re like me you don’t trust yourself. Each to their own.
Just saying, you won’t have time to chamber a round when TSHTF.
Understood. Agree. Nice to shoot but.....
To coin a phrase here, the hapless LEO now has a ‘lead ass’, huh?! LOL.
Send this LEO back to Glock training school again.
About 15 years ago the SAC of the FBI Milwaukee field office shot himself through the thigh and calf with his Glock after he'd qualified on the range. Ouch — .40 S&W has to hurt!!
I'm sure he knew that all guns are loaded.
That did not help however.
I was thinking similar, but on the lines of a 1911. Thumb safety engaged, no bang, no matter how hard the trigger is pulled (e.g., by catching on part of a holster or clothing).
You should practice cycling the safety off. Rest your thumb on top of the safety, it cycles OFF quickly and easily, but takes a deliberate act. Try carrying cocked and locked (over an empty chamber if you want), to build trust in the safety. It won't cost you much time to drop the safety on your way to racking the first round into place, and racking is significantly easier when you aren't also cocking the hammer.
Plus the grip safety on the 1911. I really like the idea of that.
That's a good feature for a dropped firearm, with the thumb safety off - but when holstering, which is what (I think) causes many of the Glock and DA revolver "shoot yourself" incidents (no finger needed in the trigger guard), one is apt to be depressing the grip safety. In order to be safe against the holster entering the trigger guard, one depends on the habit of cycling the thumb safety to ON before holstering.
Or, looking at the habit from the other direction, the only time the thumb safety goes to OFF is just before opening fire. Part of the activity of gripping should be placing the thumb firmly aside the slide, above the thumb safety.
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