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Officer Puts His Firearm In A Jail Lock Box And Shoots Himself And A Border Patrol Agent
armedselfdefense.blogspot.com ^ | 03/08/11 | Gun Nut

Posted on 03/08/2011 12:12:24 PM PST by Sasparilla

An officer is sure to become the "Butt" of station house jokes after a holding area video surveillance camera shows him shooting himself in the rear. The bullet also hit a Border Patrol Officer. Here's the video...

(Excerpt) Read more at armedselfdefense.blogspot.com ...


TOPICS: Government; Local News
KEYWORDS: banglist; bangswitch; boogerhook; gunsafety

1 posted on 03/08/2011 12:12:27 PM PST by Sasparilla
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To: Sasparilla

not only that he left his firearm laying on the ground unsecured right next to those prisoners.


2 posted on 03/08/2011 12:15:37 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Sasparilla

In before the glock bashing.


3 posted on 03/08/2011 12:17:41 PM PST by Hacklehead (Liberalism is the art of taking what works, breaking it, and then blaming conservatives.)
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To: Sasparilla

Cops with guns are a public menace!


4 posted on 03/08/2011 12:18:23 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, A Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: Sasparilla

Looks to me like he was taking his gun out of the lockbox.


5 posted on 03/08/2011 12:19:20 PM PST by Venturer
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To: Sasparilla
I am the only one professional enough..........

BANG!

6 posted on 03/08/2011 12:21:02 PM PST by edpc (Tagline under construction: Your American Recovery and Reinvestment Act dollars at work.)
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To: Sasparilla

He was retrieving his weapon.

Never attempt to holster your weapon with your finger on the trigger, and this sort of thing won’t happen.


7 posted on 03/08/2011 12:23:15 PM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: Venturer

“Looks to me like he was taking his gun out of the lockbox.”

I think you are right. It looks like was putting it somewhere on his backside


8 posted on 03/08/2011 12:24:41 PM PST by Sasparilla
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To: SWAMPSNIPER


9 posted on 03/08/2011 12:24:43 PM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Visualize)
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To: Sasparilla
Must have been the booger hook on the bang switch.

10 posted on 03/08/2011 12:24:52 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: UriĀ’el-2012

Ohhhh, nice one ...


11 posted on 03/08/2011 12:27:02 PM PST by Hodar (Who needs laws .... when this "feels" so right?)
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To: Yo-Yo

Maybe they should invent a thing called a ‘safety lock’, and put them on all guns.

I’ve ‘heard’ that you can remove the cartridges from the chamber or magazine, and that it will help keep the gun from accidentally firing.


12 posted on 03/08/2011 12:30:33 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post.)
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To: UriĀ’el-2012

From this moment forward, for the remainder of my life, when referring to firearms, I will never use the terms “finger” or “trigger.” I will only use “booger hook” and “bang switch.”


13 posted on 03/08/2011 12:31:26 PM PST by KingLudd
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To: Sasparilla
Talk about carving yourself a new one........

"But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: for men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away, for his name is Obama."

14 posted on 03/08/2011 12:32:23 PM PST by Viking2002 (RELEASE THE KRAKEN!!!!!!)
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To: Sasparilla

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfVZjbyzFGQ


15 posted on 03/08/2011 12:34:38 PM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: Sasparilla

Strapless holsters like the SERPA allow materials to enter the trigger guard. If you aren’t careful your coat zipper or other loose fitting items can cycle the trigger when you slide the weapon into the holster.


16 posted on 03/08/2011 12:35:56 PM PST by Ajnin (Neca eos omnes. Deus suos agnocet!)
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To: Sasparilla

Not a good LE day.


17 posted on 03/08/2011 12:36:35 PM PST by The_Media_never_lie
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To: driftdiver

“not only that he left his firearm laying on the ground unsecured right next to those prisoners.”

Leaving it with the prisoners was probably safer than him handling it.


18 posted on 03/08/2011 12:38:43 PM PST by Hacklehead (Liberalism is the art of taking what works, breaking it, and then blaming conservatives.)
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To: Sasparilla

The S&W MP40c (and other calibers) comes with or without a thumb safety.
I purchased the ‘with’ model. IMO carrying a pistol with a loaded chamber and no safety is asking for trouble.
Yes, Glocks have 3 ‘safeties’. But the long and short of it is, pull the trigger..Bang. No other manipulation is necessary.


19 posted on 03/08/2011 12:41:14 PM PST by Vinnie
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To: Sasparilla

Did the boarder patrol agent then throw a bean bag at him?


20 posted on 03/08/2011 12:43:40 PM PST by Selmore (Except for ending Slavery, Facism, Communism, and Nazism, War never has accomplished anything)
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To: Lazlo in PA

Bookmarked for later viewing...


21 posted on 03/08/2011 12:43:58 PM PST by EnigmaticAnomaly ("Mantra of the left: 'It's only okay when WE do it.'")
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To: UCANSEE2
Maybe they should invent a thing called a ‘safety lock’, and put them on all guns.

But Glock did put on on their gun. It's on the trigger, so you have to pull the trigger before you can pull the trigger...

22 posted on 03/08/2011 12:44:15 PM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: Yo-Yo

When you draw your 1911 A1 how long does it take to rack the slide then aim?

How long does it take to take the thumb safety off?

How long does it take to move it from half cock to full cock?

I sure prefer mine to a Glock.


23 posted on 03/08/2011 12:51:02 PM PST by BillM
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To: BillM

The answer is to put a “New York” 5.5 lb pull trigger on the Glock. (NOT.)

If you carry chamber empty, then it doesn’t matter if it’s a 1911 or a Glock. If you carry cocked and locked, then the 1911’s thumb and grip safties are better than the Glock’s ‘Safe Action’ trigger, but then you have to remove the thumb safety on the 1911.

All you have to remember in the Glock is to pull the trigger very firmly, because your Department thinks you’re as dumb and the guy in the video.


24 posted on 03/08/2011 1:01:27 PM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: Yo-Yo

I guess I’m saying that I can’t imagine many scenarios where I wouldn’t have time to rack the slide.

I only like one in the chamber when I am pointed downrange.


25 posted on 03/08/2011 1:06:08 PM PST by BillM
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To: Yo-Yo
The answer is to put a “New York” 5.5 lb pull trigger on the Glock. (NOT.)

The stock trigger on a Glock is 5.5 lb.

A "New York" Glock trigger is 12 or 14 lb.


26 posted on 03/08/2011 1:14:40 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: Yo-Yo

The 5.5 lb trigger is the standard pull weight for glocks NY triggers come in 8lb and 12 lb pul weights.


27 posted on 03/08/2011 1:29:14 PM PST by riverrunner
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To: UriĀ’el-2012
OK, make me look it up:

Glock New York Trigger Options.

Even Glock seems a little confused because they claim the NY1 trigger is 11 lbs, and the NY2 is even stiffer at ... 11 lbs.

Go figure!

28 posted on 03/08/2011 1:30:41 PM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: UCANSEE2

That’s a special feature available on Glocks, I hear. /S


29 posted on 03/08/2011 1:34:23 PM PST by pingman (You can lead a liberal to logic, but you can't make them think.)
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To: Vinnie

I’ve owned and carried a glock for over 10 years. Granted I’m not a highly trained LEO but my firearm has never “accidentally” discharged.


30 posted on 03/08/2011 1:37:06 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: BillM

“I guess I’m saying that I can’t imagine many scenarios where I wouldn’t have time to rack the slide.”

I used to think that, then someone tried to carjack me. I got away without firing any shots and fortunately their gun jammed.

I would not have had time to chamber a round if their gun had not jammed. no way, no how

just my 2 cents


31 posted on 03/08/2011 1:40:40 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Selmore

He hit him with the feather that replaced his baton.


32 posted on 03/08/2011 1:40:59 PM PST by MaxMax
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To: driftdiver; BillM
good $.02 dd...i figure the most likely scenario will be walkin across a large parkin lot...

w/o a doubt, it would be easy to get within arms length before i *knew* it was a BG...

1911 is designed to be cocked, and it wont fire w/o the trigger pulled even if UN-locked'...now theres $.04 on the table...

33 posted on 03/08/2011 1:49:11 PM PST by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: UriĀ’el-2012

LOLOLOL...God, I needed that today. Thanks.


34 posted on 03/08/2011 2:03:58 PM PST by Conservative4Ever (Man the pitchforks and torches.......let the revolution begin)
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To: BillM

It’s a trade-off. When I carry a 1911 I also generally carry it with an empty chamber. I also train that way and have gotten proficient at the draw-rack-aim drill. There is time between drawing and aiming, too... and this time can be used to rack the slide on the way up. I just don’t like carrying a pistol with the hammer back on a live round. I’ve decided that for me, it’s an acceptable trade for the significant reduction in risk. I never use the safety switch. Ever.

However... when I carry my Sig, I carry it with a round in the chamber and the hammer down. It has a long double-action trigger for the first round. In this way, it’s not any different than carrying a revolver.

Who would carry a revolver with the hammer back, in a holster? Nobody. Well... nobody ~smart~ anyway. A safety switch just isn’t enough insurance, either. :-)


35 posted on 03/08/2011 2:14:25 PM PST by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: driftdiver

I’m not saying it can’t be done. I just think that the possibility of the trigger getting caught on a coat, cell phone, mascara pencil in a purse, etc. has to be given some consideration and precautions taken.

For me that is adding another layer of safety. A New York trigger could add that layer also. Or carry Israeli style, empty chamber.


36 posted on 03/08/2011 2:20:51 PM PST by Vinnie
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To: Yo-Yo
NY 1 increases pull from 5.5 lb to 11 lb

NY 2 increases pull from 7 lb to 11 lb

Stock trigger is 5.5 lb


37 posted on 03/08/2011 2:26:59 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: Sasparilla

To paraphrase the late Richard Pryor:

“Motherf#%ker shot me in the @as!”


38 posted on 03/08/2011 2:31:38 PM PST by PLMerite (Thanks for fixing the clock.)
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To: BartMan1; Nailbiter

bang


39 posted on 03/08/2011 2:42:59 PM PST by IncPen (Educating Barack Obama has been the most expensive project in human history)
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To: Vinnie

“I’m not saying it can’t be done. I just think that the possibility of the trigger”

I agree its a consideration. Proper training, care, and a good holster are how I address this concern.


40 posted on 03/08/2011 3:20:23 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

It just hasn’t happened yet. I own four and have for years. I don’t trust them fully loaded and ready to fire. They are an unforgiving master when it comes to vigilance.


41 posted on 03/08/2011 3:30:58 PM PST by Gaffer
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To: Gaffer

If you’re like me you don’t trust yourself. Each to their own.

Just saying, you won’t have time to chamber a round when TSHTF.


42 posted on 03/08/2011 3:36:57 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

Understood. Agree. Nice to shoot but.....


43 posted on 03/08/2011 4:36:20 PM PST by Gaffer
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To: Sasparilla

To coin a phrase here, the hapless LEO now has a ‘lead ass’, huh?! LOL.


44 posted on 03/08/2011 6:27:47 PM PST by Ron H. (America cannot afford the socialist Impostor!!!)
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To: Yo-Yo
As I recall, the standard Glock trigger pull is about 4 to 4.5 pounds; the NY1 trigger is about 8 pounds and the NY2 trigger is 11 to 12 pounds. Handling a Glock is all about keeping your finger OUT of the trigger guard.

Send this LEO back to Glock training school again.

About 15 years ago the SAC of the FBI Milwaukee field office shot himself through the thigh and calf with his Glock after he'd qualified on the range. Ouch — .40 S&W has to hurt!!

45 posted on 03/08/2011 7:40:53 PM PST by MasterGunner01 (To err is human; to forgive is not our policy. -- SEAL Team SIX)
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To: Sasparilla
Officer Puts His Firearm In A Jail Lock Box
And Shoots Himself And A Border Patrol Agent

I'm sure he knew that all guns are loaded.

That did not help however.

NRA Gun Safety Rules will keep you safer :

Always keep the gun pointed in a safe direction

Always keep your finger off the trigger until ready to shoot

Always keep the gun unloaded until ready to use

NRA T/C CRSO

46 posted on 03/09/2011 7:22:26 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: Vinnie

I was thinking similar, but on the lines of a 1911. Thumb safety engaged, no bang, no matter how hard the trigger is pulled (e.g., by catching on part of a holster or clothing).


47 posted on 03/09/2011 7:25:39 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: Ramius
-- I never use the safety switch. Ever. --

You should practice cycling the safety off. Rest your thumb on top of the safety, it cycles OFF quickly and easily, but takes a deliberate act. Try carrying cocked and locked (over an empty chamber if you want), to build trust in the safety. It won't cost you much time to drop the safety on your way to racking the first round into place, and racking is significantly easier when you aren't also cocking the hammer.

48 posted on 03/09/2011 7:30:56 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt

Plus the grip safety on the 1911. I really like the idea of that.


49 posted on 03/09/2011 9:10:13 AM PST by Vinnie
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To: Vinnie
-- Plus the grip safety on the 1911. I really like the idea of that. --

That's a good feature for a dropped firearm, with the thumb safety off - but when holstering, which is what (I think) causes many of the Glock and DA revolver "shoot yourself" incidents (no finger needed in the trigger guard), one is apt to be depressing the grip safety. In order to be safe against the holster entering the trigger guard, one depends on the habit of cycling the thumb safety to ON before holstering.

Or, looking at the habit from the other direction, the only time the thumb safety goes to OFF is just before opening fire. Part of the activity of gripping should be placing the thumb firmly aside the slide, above the thumb safety.

50 posted on 03/09/2011 11:25:40 AM PST by Cboldt
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