Skip to comments.Andrea Rossiís Plan to Commercialize Cold Fusion ó Says Initial Cost of Electricity 1 Cent per kWh.
Posted on 03/09/2011 3:59:22 AM PST by Normandy
If you listen to inventor Andrea Rossi responding to questions about his energy catalyzer cold fusion device, he regularly brings up the topic of commercialization of his devices.
Yesterday he responded briefly to inquiries and a request for an interview from Sterling Allen at the PESWiki web site in which he indicated that he was not inclined to talk about his inventions until after October, when the first operating power plant which will be built in Greece is expected to be up and running.
He states, I am sorry to inform you that I prefer not to make interviews until October, when we will start up our 1 MW plant.
"Therefore I kindly ask you to defer our contact to the end of November. I will only make an interview to an European radio because I already got this engagement a month ago, but that will be my last communication before end October, unless I will have something new to communicate. I prefer to work and not talk, until I start the industrial production and operation of my plants."
(Excerpt) Read more at freeenergytimes.com ...
If it really works, they’ll ban it here for some reason.
Well three outcomes of this story....he is a fliflam man and will soon be exposed as a con artist who bilked investors of millions, He will roll out the plant as advertised assuming non inteference from the Greek bureaucracy and enviromentalists, or his inventions are real and therefore a real threat to governments and energy producers alike and he will be “disappeared”(bribed or killed) and his plans suppressed and buried!
I hope your outcome number 3 does not happen.
As for number 1, he says “for now we prefer not to have investors. We finance ourselves selling our plants” That doesn’t mean he hasn’t had investors, so that’s still a possiblity.
Regarding number 2, we’ll have to wait until October to see what happen. Knowing startups, the rollout date could well change.
Interestingly, a long testing program at the University of Bologna is supposed to be underway.
‘1 cent per kwh’... Brother, have I heard that before. Nuclear power advocates said the same thing. Not sayin’ we shouldn’t go that way, just modestly suggesting that ‘there ain’t no such a thing as a free lunch’.
Your premise assumes that governments and energy producers would not want access to extremely low cost energy. The advantage such a production method would give to any government that adopted it, both commercially and militarily, would make it suicidal for them to suppress it.
I am astonished people are still beating the dead horse of ‘Cold Fusion’. It was demonstrated a long time ago to not be true, and yet people won’t let it go. Science relies on the ability to reproduce an experiment to verify it being true. Cold Fusion has repeatedly failed by that standard.
If his invention is real then a lot of energy suppliers stand to lose a lot of money.
He probably needs some good body guards or he will not be with us in November.
More details??? The only detail in the story is that there will be no details until later. I pity the poor investors.
In fact not true.
“A healthy skepticism is warranted,” says Steven B. Krivit, author of a recent book on cold fusion. “However, the facts show that cold fusion experiments have been demonstrated, reproduced, replicated and published in peer-review journals.”
Experimental evidence consistently demonstrates that nuclear-scale energy, in the form of heat, is being generated without harmful radiation, greenhouse gasses or nuclear waste.
From “Cold Fusion goes back to school at MIT”
I’ll wait and see. If true, then awesome and the guy will become the richest man who ever lived, deseveredly so, the stock market will go to 30,000 in a year, and gold will drop to 32 dollars per ounce. If not true, then the cold fusion story will just continue on in a new vien as it has for so many years.
Agreed. At least he’s putting the metal to the pedal, as it were...
I also am skeptical, by that I mean I will wait for more evidence/theoretical explanations.
But just as an off-hand assessment, I’m inclined to think there is some anomalous results going on. Some of the people designing and performing these experiments are the top chemists/physicists in the world. I hope that more than a few of them know how to measure thermodynamics.
What DOESN’T help the situation is every few months some yodel coming out with a new “box” that you can hook up to your home and get off the grid. Especially when the new boxes all require power to run.
Or claims of a 250 mpg carb.
Interestingly, a few years back here in the Seattle area, there was some guy who claimed he had done mods to the carb on like an 89 Buick LeSabre.
They went out and rode with him and verified he was getting well over 100 mpg.
Never heard how the story played out... he’s probably in the Bahamas now with four wives...
or he’s fertilizer...
All three outcomes are:
I am astonished people are still beating the dead horse of Global Warming’. It was demonstrated a long time ago to not be true, and yet people wont let it go. Science relies on the ability to reproduce an experiment to verify it being true. Global Warming has repeatedly failed by that standard...................
Probably did this the same way the old fill your gas tank with water and drop in this special pill scam worked. Secret gas tank hidden someplace in the car
The big losers would be wind turbine and solar panel makers. And I wouldn't trust them.
I certainly hope you are not implying that I believe in the Global Warming hoax.
I was merely pointing out that what you wrote could equally apply to Global Warming hoaxers as well.
The only difference is the CF guys are targeting individual investors, ant the GW hoaxers are targeting government legislators.
The GW guys have an easier row to hoe............
You are painting with a very wide brush my friend. His invention has been observed by outside scientists and is said to produce excess heat.
Lets give the man the opportunity to prove his claims.
The purchasers of his early units are effectively his investors.
I'd like to see a demo of one of his units running for a month at the location of an independent observer, producing a megawatt(thermal) of output.
Yeah, the cost to PRODUCE electricity is far different than the:
- costs to comply with health and safety laws
- costs to pay union workers
- costs to comply with environmental regulations
- costs to monitor and meter the electricity
- costs to build the distribution system
- costs of maintenance
- and of course, taxes
For all I know, he could have had lemmings running on a wheel.
It was a local news story, and they had mechanics check the whole setup before/after the test.
These kinds of reports are like crop circles.
Even if 99.9 percent are outright fraud, all it takes is one to be true.
There is alot of con going on. But that by itself doesn’t make the idea impossible.
This is why I'd like to see this unit run for a month, at a different location, under supervision.
For the case of cars with extraordinary mpg, the test also needs to be to run continuously for a month(using drivers in relays, or on a dynamometer) and see. Hybrid car makers are big culprits in this sort of scam, starting the test with full batteries and not counting their contribution.
Which is why you'll never see that. There are so many ways to fake a demonstration that you could never account for them all.
Or he is just wrong.
Physics goes a long way toward making it impossible. Cold fusion is just modern perpetual motion.
Well, like I said above, I am somewhat skeptical. For sure, I’m not gonna invest a months salary in it.
What they need to do now has two parts:
1) Absolutely, positively, undeniably verify that there is excess energy being produced
2) Come up with some sound, provable, peer-reviewed theoretical basis for exactly what in hallelujah is going on.
For all we know, some of the successes might happen at places that use fluorescent lights while the failures happen at places using incandescents.
Could be some hidden, previously unseen quantum effect.
We just don’t know yet.
But I think there is enough evidence to warrant continued testing.
The scientific community would want #2. Frankly, consumers and investors would be satisfied with #1 and probably don't care about #2. As long as the cold fusion process works, consumers and investors wouldn't care if the explanation was elves and fairy dust.
I have Dirac on my bookshelf.
De Broglie, Einstein, Menzel, J. S. Bell, Maxwell.
Yur not talking to some clam-digger.
The changes in physics have been some of the most violent in the intellectual world.
That was a metaphor of sorts, but true nonetheless.
The Earth used to be the center of the universe. Then it wasn’t the center of the universe.
Newton figured out gravity and invented calculus.
Then, some odd things were found about Mercurys orbit, and Newton was shown to be wrong.
Then Einstein figured that one out.
Then the quantum world was discovered and much of what Einstein said (at least about space and time and locality) were thrown out.
The next change to physics will probably shake it to it’s very foundations.
That’s why things like this interest me. As possible pointers to whatever will come to be accepted (after a whole lot of grumbling and sneering and denigrating) as the new model of our understanding of the universe(s).
So you can deny it all you want, that by itself doesn’t make it true or untrue.
God does not play Dice!!
The theory behind cold fusion involves
a “deflated zeroith orbital” for the
electron in a hydrogen atom
this is generally considered a
violation of known physics
I've seen much of the arguments for this
and believe that the math is not rigorous
And here I thought they were dead and buried.
Then, some odd things were found about Mercurys orbit, and Newton was shown to be wrong.
Newton wasn't wrong. He just didn't account for some stuff under some conditions. He was right as far as he went. Likewise the current physical requirement of overcoming the proton-proton repulsion to get them close enough to fuse is not wrong. If some magical method that does this in bulk matter exists that doesn't require enormous heat and pressure, then it has yet to be seen. You can get fusion in a particle accelerator, but you'll never be able to use one to produce net energy. I suppose a particle accelerator would qualify as cold fusion, but we're talking about net energy production. So I will remain intensely sceptical, but please feel free to invest in one of these schemes. I'll look forward to hearing how it turns out.
Actually, I think if you take Newtons numbers and apply the Lorentz transforms to it, they work fine and you don’t need Albert at all.
Cold fusion is probably a long shot, but it might be revolutionary.
Whatever happens in physics, you can bet one thing: Alot of well-respected peoples jaws are gonna collectively hit the floor!
I’ve read the same thing.
I’m fairly excited about this.
I think there is a chance that Mr. Rossi could have discovered something important with this technology. He’s doing the kinds of things you’d expect someone who was confident in his claims would do, such as inviting independent testers to examine the device and measure results.
Results measured have been quite impressive: one report can be found here: http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3108242.ece
I understand the skepticism, but my approach would be to look at this with an open mind and see what transpires.
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