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House of Reps Definition of “Natural Born Citizen” = Born of citizen “parents” in the US.
Leo Donofrio ^ | 3/9/2011 | Leo Donofrio

Posted on 03/09/2011 2:50:25 PM PST by jzlouis

Leo Donofrio and friend uncover a definitive statement of the definition of the term "natural born citizen" on the House Floor in 1872 by John Bingham the principal framer of the 14th amendment.


TOPICS: Politics
KEYWORDS: 14thamendment; birthcertificate; certifigate; naturalborncitizen
During a debate (see pg. 2791) regarding a certain Dr. Houard, who had been incarcerated in Spain, the issue was raised on the floor of the House of Representatives as to whether the man was a US citizen. Representative Bingham (of Ohio), stated on the floor:

“As to the question of citizenship I am willing to resolve all doubts in favor of a citizen of the United States. That Dr. Houard is a natural-born citizen of the United States there is not room for the shadow of a doubt. He was born of naturalized parents within the jurisdiction of the United States, and by the express words of the Constitution, as amended to-day, he is declared to all the world to be a citizen of the United States by birth.” (The term “to-day”, as used by Bingham, means “to date”. Obviously, the Constitution had not been amended on April 25, 1872.)

Notice that Bingham declares Houard to be a “natural-born citizen” by citing two factors – born of citizen parents in the US.

John Bingham, aka “father of the 14th Amendment”, was an abolitionist congressman from Ohio who prosecuted Lincoln’s assassins. Ten years earlier, he stated on the House floor:

“All from other lands, who by the terms of [congressional] laws and a compliance with their provisions become naturalized, are adopted citizens of the United States; all other persons born within the Republic, of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty, are natural born citizens. Gentleman can find no exception to this statement touching natural-born citizens except what is said in the Constitution relating to Indians.” (Cong. Globe, 37th, 2nd Sess., 1639 (1862))

Then in 1866, Bingham also stated on the House floor:

“Every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen.” (Cong. Globe, 39th, 1st Sess., 1291 (1866))

No other Representative ever took issue with these words on the floor of the House. If you read the Congressional Globe to study these debates, you will see that many of the underlying issues were hotly contested. However, Bingham’s definition of “natural born citizen” (born of citizen parents in the US) was never challenged on the floor of the House.

Furthermore, the Supreme Court’s holding in Wong Kim Ark did not address Presidential eligibility, nor did it define “natural born citizen”. It simply clarified who was a “citizen”. Had the framers of the 14th Amendment sought to define nbc, they would have used the words “natural born” in the Amendment. But they didn’t.

Do not allow the opposition to state this definition as “Vattel’s definition”. Challenge that tactic every time. Vattel didn’t make it up. His text on the law of nations compiled known existing law. Vattel was not a legislator.

It is proper to say, with regard to US Constitutional law, that this was the House definition as stated on the floor by Representative Bingham. And this definition was never opposed on the floor. And that is exactly where it should have been opposed if it were not the truth.

Debate upon issues of Constitutional law such as this belong on the House floor. And when an issue this important comes before the nation on the floor of “the people’s House”, and the issue is not challenged by any Representative of the people, then it’s certainly proper to infer that the House of Representatives, as a whole, agreed with that definition. After all, our nation is governed by debate on the floor of the House. But there never was debate on this issue because it was a proper statement of Constitutional law.

The definition of natural born citizen as stated on the House floor = born in the US to parents who are citizens. It’s not like those cats were incapable of correcting each other’s mistakes. Since no Supreme Court case ever stated a different definition of “natural born citizen”, and no Represenative ever challenged Bingham on this point, the House definition stands and officially remains unchallenged as of today. If the House wants to change this definition, let them bring the issue to the floor now and properly debate it.

Until then, call it the House of Representatives definition as offered by the father of the 14th Amendment who was never challenged upon it.

Don’t let history be rewritten by propagandists. The evidence is mounting on a daily basis that the current Commander In Chief is not eligible to hold the office of President. You have a voice. You have freedom of speech. You have access to your federal and state representatives.

The courts don’t want to hear from you.

So find someone who must to listen to you and be heard. The Constitution cannot survive unless you breath life into it. We are responsible to future generations. Do something with that responsibility. Use the law. Obey the law. Respect the law. Fight for the law.

by Leo Donofrio, Esq. (hat tip to my main researcher who shall remain anonymous for now…)

1 posted on 03/09/2011 2:50:30 PM PST by jzlouis
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To: jzlouis

Wasn’t Chester Alan Arthur’s father a British Citizen at the time of his son’s birth?


2 posted on 03/09/2011 2:56:26 PM PST by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: jzlouis

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2686190/posts?page=21

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3 posted on 03/09/2011 2:57:25 PM PST by BuckeyeTexan ("Use the law. Obey the law. Respect the law. Fight for the law.")
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To: jzlouis

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2686190/posts?page=21

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4 posted on 03/09/2011 2:57:35 PM PST by BuckeyeTexan ("Use the law. Obey the law. Respect the law. Fight for the law.")
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To: jzlouis

Here is the direct link to the Congressional Globe entry cited in the article.

http://books.google.com/books?id=wk0uAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA2791&dq=%22State+Department%22+%2B%22natural-born+citizen%22&hl=en&ei=EQpxTeupEI32gAePqsRD&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CC8Q6AEwAjgK#v=onepage&q=%22State%20Department%22%20%20%22natural-born%20citizen%22&f=false


5 posted on 03/09/2011 2:58:25 PM PST by jzlouis
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To: jzlouis
OBODUMPTY
6 posted on 03/09/2011 3:00:57 PM PST by FrankR (The Evil Are Powerless If The Good Are Unafraid! - R. Reagan)
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To: jzlouis

keep in mind many in DC will no longer want to listen this issue they feel it is a closed matter. i am just saying even sympathetic ears are not wanting to hear it all. I agree the issue is not closed, but the politicians will start hanging up on calls, and turning away letters. They will not address the issue.

You call to many times to DC your number comes up on caller id(yes they use it to) and they amke note and the next time you are automatically forwarded to the comments. your comment will be avoided at all costs. Do not believe me try telling John Boehner 202-225-0600 and watch what happens to your phone calls.


7 posted on 03/09/2011 3:03:57 PM PST by hondact200 (Candor dat viribos alas (sincerity gives wings to strength) and Nil desperandum (never despair))
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To: jzlouis

So McCain is disqualified? Absolute bull shit.


8 posted on 03/09/2011 3:06:33 PM PST by kbennkc (For those who have fought for it, freedom has a flavor the protected will never know.)
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To: jzlouis
No argument from me.
9 posted on 03/09/2011 3:13:21 PM PST by smokingfrog ( BORN free - taxed to DEATH (and beyond) ...)
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To: kbennkc
“So McCain is disqualified? Absolute bull shit.”

Are you illiterate ?? Can you read English ?
This matter is NOT bullshit but then it does suppose the reader can interpret the words used, correctly.

To have disqualified McLame would have been a preferred outcome but not from this material/position.

10 posted on 03/09/2011 3:40:50 PM PST by SonsOfCollins_Wallace ("... if yah ken behr eit" OR "where yah goin William ?.... ")
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To: kbennkc

Oh, where is the McClain clause in Article II found? Why do you deny the words of Mr. Bingham?

Have you no respect for our American History, sir?


11 posted on 03/09/2011 3:43:56 PM PST by bvw
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To: SonsOfCollins_Wallace
I would argue that since McClain's family was posted on official and temporary US duty in Panama, he is a natural born citizen, and Mr. Bingham was perhaps overly strict.
12 posted on 03/09/2011 3:46:10 PM PST by bvw
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To: kbennkc
Under the citizenship and naturalization Act of 1795 McCain is qualified. “CHILDREN OF CITIZENS THAT MAY BE BORN OVERSEAS SHALL BE CONSIDERED NATURAL BORN”

The founding fathers were not concerned about place of birth, but the allegiance of your parents !!! obama does not have full and complete allegiance , therefore is not the President of the United States.

13 posted on 03/09/2011 3:48:46 PM PST by omegadawn (qualified)
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To: kbennkc
Under the citizenship and naturalization Act of 1795 McCain is qualified. “CHILDREN OF CITIZENS THAT MAY BE BORN OVERSEAS SHALL BE CONSIDERED NATURAL BORN”

The founding fathers were not concerned about place of birth, but the allegiance of your parents !!! obama does not have full and complete allegiance , therefore is not the President of the United States.

14 posted on 03/09/2011 3:49:23 PM PST by omegadawn (qualified)
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan

And your point is what? We all know Chester was not an NBC and so did he, that’s why he burned his papers....so again what’s your point?


15 posted on 03/09/2011 3:50:47 PM PST by GregNH (Re-Elect "No Body")
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To: jzlouis
A person born in the United States, of American citizen parents is clearly “natural born.”

Where does it provide that a citizen born of American citizen parents outside of the United States is NOT “natural born?”

Obama was not born of two American citizens unless the paternity of record is false.

16 posted on 03/09/2011 3:52:47 PM PST by Radix ("..Democrats are holding a meeting today to decide whether to overturn the results of the election.")
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To: jzlouis
You have to consider why congress will not pay attention to his matter, consider ALL of the consequences.
17 posted on 03/09/2011 4:15:19 PM PST by ANGGAPO (Layte Gulf Beach Club)
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To: jzlouis
You have to consider why congress will not pay attention to his matter, consider ALL of the consequences.
18 posted on 03/09/2011 4:15:26 PM PST by ANGGAPO (Layte Gulf Beach Club)
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To: ANGGAPO

Who cares if McCain is eligible for president anymore anyway?

It doesn’t effect his eligibility as senator.


19 posted on 03/09/2011 5:43:52 PM PST by Eagle Eye (A blind clock finds a nut at least twice a day.)
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To: jzlouis

Correct me if I am wrong, please.

The difference between Natural Law and Statutory is that it is not man-made. “Natural Born Citizen” has never been defined in a law because it doesn’t have to be. It is a given and known to all.


20 posted on 03/09/2011 8:47:07 PM PST by stevinsky
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To: jzlouis

BUMP for History. BUMP for Liberty.


21 posted on 03/09/2011 11:00:09 PM PST by cpforlife.org (A Catholic Respect Life Curriculum is available 4 FREE at CpForLife.org)
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To: jzlouis

Would it be possible to sue pelosi and the dnc for fraud in Hawaii over the assertion of qualifications for Pres.? If all we need is money we should be able to come up with it.


22 posted on 03/10/2011 3:59:09 AM PST by DCmarcher-976453 (SARAH PALIN 2012)
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To: GregNH

... We all know Chester was not an NBC and so did he, that’s why he burned his papers....so again what’s your point?

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Find anything that questions his nbC status (the adjectives are lower case and their is no hyphen) before 2008. Anything.

His fathers status was kept secret until Leo Donofrio exposed it.

To go around and claim ‘we all know Aurther was not an nbC (correct acronym)’ is an attempt to create a precedent for the coming challenges.


23 posted on 03/11/2011 7:34:28 AM PST by bluecat6 ("They question our heritage but not the accuracy of our story.")
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To: jzlouis
Fifteen years ago I came very close to buying what appeared to be a very nice airplane. The owner wanted top dollar, but the paint looked pretty good, it had been reupholstered, the radios and instruments had also been recently worked on, and best of all an engine which the owner said had only 50 “hours since major overhaul”. “Major Overhaul” has a very specific meaning to most of us in the aviation community. During our conversation the owner said that he did not want me talking to the mechanic who had done the work. The mechanic's name was in the log book, so I went to talk to him.

The mechanic did not want to talk to me about the work he had done, but when I persisted he admitted that while the bearings and rings and some other parts had been replaced, that the owner had not allowed him to send the crankshaft out to be magnafluxed. This is an inspection that looks for cracks or other defects in the crankshaft. If it comes back showing problems one generally has to buy a new crankshaft which costs several thousand dollars. The mechanic and the owner had a discussion where the mechanic had specifically told the owner that the work being done could not be considered a “Major Overhaul” unless the cranked was inspected. When asked why the engine had been “overhauled” I also found that it was because the plane had spent a couple of weeks underwater during a flood. This had also not been disclosed by the owner. On further inspection the plane had damage that I had not looked for specifically that had been caused by the flood.

To me Obama is like that airplane. Until I started looking at the documentation and talking to the people that had been directly involved in the work that had been done on it... it looked like it was worth top dollar. It turned out that the owners actual intention was to leave all the details undisclosed. Which is what we have allowed Obama to do. He has kept his actual birth certificate and nearly all of the documentation of his life hidden. We don't know what is contained within the sealed documents; my guess is that there is a lot that would not be palatable to a majority of United States citizens.

Obama was born with and has maintained foreign allegiances through his childhood and into his adult life. He is the “one” the framers of the constitution envisioned and were trying to keep from attaining the presidency. Unfortunately, the politicians we elected and the judges who were either elected or appointed by our elected officials have all decided that they now know better than the ones who wrote the constitution.

He hasn't even bothered to hide his foreign allegiances. He openly admits that his father was a foreign born radical. He even has a book entitled, “Dreams of My Father” which are Obama’s dreams also. His father was a Marxist; his mother was at the least a Communist sympathizer; her parents were Communists; his stepfather was a Communist, his mentor Frank Marshall Davis was a Communist, his minister Rev. Wright is a Marxist, black separatist who got his masters degree in Islam. He has written that he spent his entire life seeking out and befriending radicals, some of whom advocated the violent overthrow of our government.

When Obama goes abroad, he berates the United States. His knowledge of our history is based on leftist revisionism. Members of his administration and his appointed “czars” have included Communists and many who have expressed the greatest admiration for brutal murderers such as Stalin, Mao, Castro, and Che Guevara. What do we expect from Obama? It seems that nearly all of our “free” press and much of the population must be under some sort of hypnotic trance to ignore the overwhelming evidence that Obama is not a “Natural Born” citizen either legally or in spirit. I believe he has a strong distaste if not hatred for both most of our country's citizens and our history.

24 posted on 03/12/2011 1:26:45 PM PST by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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