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Home workshop planning and estimating
3/19/2011

Posted on 03/19/2011 7:59:23 PM PDT by Bean Counter

My wife has convinced me that I should really start making plans to finally tear down my old shop and build a proper one in its place.

I have in mind a 20 x 16 footprint building with a second story for storage with a barn shaped roof. I've sketched things out on paper but I need to have a proper print for the permit and for the contractors who are going to build it for me, not to mention coming up with a cost and a budget for the construction.

I don't want to reinvent the wheel trying to find something suitable online if some here might already know of a website or freeware to help me design the building and work up a good bill of materials that I can estimate from.

Anyone have a suggestion for something they have used to design a garage sized outbuilding?? I really don't want to spend several hundred dollars on an architect, and I really don't want to break out the drawing board and do it myself on paper...

Thanks!


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1 posted on 03/19/2011 7:59:25 PM PDT by Bean Counter
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To: Bean Counter

Just kidding! Good luck finding what you need!

2 posted on 03/19/2011 8:02:16 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (If you have one foot in both camps, don't act surprised that you're taking fire from both directions)
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To: Bean Counter

Get a pole barn and pick the design you want. Budget enough to insulate it yourself and put in a wood stove if you are in a cold climate and prosper.

I highly recommend a concrete slab floor but gravel works just fine.


3 posted on 03/19/2011 8:03:47 PM PDT by volunbeer
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To: Bean Counter

Seems to me I often see knocked down Steel Buildings of various sizes, thus prices in the local Recycler, and Green Sheet, and all on sale during this period of economic distress. Good time to buy.

These organizations usually are able to supply all you need to get your permits with the purchase of their products so I have been led to believe.

I did a search “prefab steel buildings”, and came up immediately with a number of references. Perhaps you could find something in your area. Worth a look.


4 posted on 03/19/2011 8:06:17 PM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: Bean Counter

You want a wood building or steel? (the outside doesn’t have to be steel, even if the frame is)


5 posted on 03/19/2011 8:08:17 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open ( <o> ---)
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To: Bean Counter

http://www.homeplanpro.com/

Looks simple enough and has features to create elevations which most other cheap and free packages don’t.


6 posted on 03/19/2011 8:08:46 PM PDT by mazda77 (Mike Hogan - JAX Mayor)
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To: Bean Counter

If she suggests you put a bedroom on the second floor, that could be bad news. It’s either for you or her mother.


7 posted on 03/19/2011 8:10:44 PM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: Bean Counter

mmmmmmmm...

Get a used Mark V ( or now they have a Mark 7 version)
http://www.shopsmith.com/markvsite/


8 posted on 03/19/2011 8:11:16 PM PDT by Texaspeptoman (Even cannibals get fed-up with people sometimes...!)
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To: Bean Counter

You might look around to see if you can find a kit of some kind. When I built my woodshed I found it was just as cheap to buy a kit from Vermont Shed as it was to get the lumber and design my own.

Of course it depends where you live. You don’t want to truck it across the country. But you might look around the internet for ideas.

Here’s Vermont shed. Their largest size seems to be 12 x 16, but I’m sure there are larger ones around. Worth a look, anyway.

http://vermontshed.com/


9 posted on 03/19/2011 8:14:12 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Bean Counter

You’re moniker tells me you already have the answer, but I thought I’d ask anyway:

What’s the new out-building going to do to your tax bill?

Mainly just curious, because I had the same plan and filed with the township but had to abandon it due to sudden financial exigencies.

I think now, that if a big wad of money fell into my lap, that I’d seriously consider remodeling my current space, especially with respect to storage, to make it more functional.

Increasing the footprint should be the last option.

Again, just a thought.

By the way, I think Google has a drawing program.

Good luck! I’m jealous.

Tom


10 posted on 03/19/2011 8:17:45 PM PDT by tsomer
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To: Cicero

P.S. My woodshed is built on skids, two large beams of hemlock running down the length of it underneath, which are set on a bed of crushed stone. It has been through several winters in fine shape. It has the advantage that you can easily pick it up and move it. Or if you don’t want to build it yourself, you can have it delivered by truck and slid right off where you want it.


11 posted on 03/19/2011 8:19:36 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Bean Counter

http://www.todaysplans.net/find-free-shed-plans.html


12 posted on 03/19/2011 8:20:15 PM PDT by bigheadfred (THE ZOMBIE APOCALYPSE HAS BEGUN)
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To: Bean Counter

A thought - many local collages have AutoCad classes. See if there is a starving student that you could have work on a set of plans.


13 posted on 03/19/2011 8:21:50 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: Bean Counter

Define your requirements carefully first. Take extra time to be sure you don’t end up with a bit “aw crap” afterward. Consider storage, lighting, ventilation, electrical, and access. It’s awfully nice to be able to open a roll-up door to get large machinery or stock in/out. Everyone says “build twice as big as you think you’ll need”. My shop is 24 by 32 feet and all I can say is “everyone was right”. Consider your budget carefully, I think it’s much smarter to stick-build using standard building materials on a good (frost-free, if you’re in the north) foundation than to mess around with pole barns and metal buildings. The best cost leverage comes from using materials that are sold in highest quantity. And don’t leave yourself open for a nasty surprise form the building inspector. Good luck, you won’t regret doing it right.


14 posted on 03/19/2011 8:27:23 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: Bean Counter

Thinking about what you said...I would go prefab. There would be little or no cost overrun, the contracter is connected with the factory so he is familiar with the model, and they already have what you need for permits before you sign.

Just my thought on how to get the most for the least.


15 posted on 03/19/2011 8:28:42 PM PDT by IrishCatholic (No local Communist or Socialist Party Chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing!)
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To: taxcontrol; Bean Counter
A thought - many local collages have AutoCad classes. See if there is a starving student that you could have work on a set of plans.

LOL. He wants to build a shed. Not do a floral arrangement...

16 posted on 03/19/2011 8:30:52 PM PDT by bigheadfred (THE ZOMBIE APOCALYPSE HAS BEGUN)
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To: Bean Counter

I just finished a 16 by 24 barn shed for my neighbor. With storage on the second floor.

I am a builder. Do you have any experience in what you are trying to do?

Mark


17 posted on 03/19/2011 8:56:04 PM PDT by budda1954
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To: Bean Counter

I don’t have any ideas for your building but I’ll say that you seem to have been blessed in your choice for wife.


18 posted on 03/19/2011 9:04:24 PM PDT by constitutiongirl (Forgive me, a sinner.)
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To: Bean Counter

build the roof and door high enough that you can install a good vehicle lift.


19 posted on 03/19/2011 9:22:19 PM PDT by fso301
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To: Bean Counter

From experience, what ever you build for a workshop will be too small in 5 years, 10 years tops.


20 posted on 03/19/2011 9:26:34 PM PDT by The Cajun
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To: Bean Counter

Check with Lowes, you can get a kit with everything needed.


21 posted on 03/19/2011 10:06:25 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Bean Counter

Costs @ 30-35/square foot


22 posted on 03/19/2011 10:40:50 PM PDT by Crooked Constituent
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To: Bean Counter

You have mail - twice


23 posted on 03/19/2011 11:42:01 PM PDT by voteNRA (A citizenry armed with rifles simply cannot be tyrannized)
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To: Bean Counter

Buy a 2 or 3 car garage kit with a second story. Pre-fabbed in the factory, then delivered and assembled on site on your poured slab. It is done in ONE day and everything is very tight. Even the interior walls and trim are are painted. My BIL had one put up and it turned out beautiful. Looks like and old gable-roof barn on the outside, but is a professional woodshop on the inside. Also came with a full length covered porch for just sitting around and chewing the fat with customers.


24 posted on 03/19/2011 11:56:58 PM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: Bean Counter

Google Sketchup, is google’s free program.


25 posted on 03/20/2011 1:18:51 AM PDT by jkeith3213
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To: Bean Counter

Check out http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/.

There’s a forum on Garages/Workshops which might be helpful.


26 posted on 03/20/2011 5:45:01 AM PDT by randita
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To: All

Thanks for all the suggestions, and I appreciate the help. I do have experience building things like this, I’m just looking for the best computer program to help me plan it. We don’t intend to even start demolition until 2012 so I have lots of time. Planning is half the fun.

And for the record, I already asked my wife what she gets out of this, and she mentioned the new futon she would buy for the new shop...


27 posted on 03/20/2011 6:26:40 AM PDT by Bean Counter (Stout Hearts!I)
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To: Bean Counter

What kind of work do you do in your shop? I do woodwork, and my shop is a 12’x 24’ portable building that I bought used and rewired. If you are doing machining or auto work, for instance, you will obviously have differing requirements.
The only real advice I can give you here is this- figure out the maximum possible number of electric circuits and plugs that you would ever need- then double it! In my little shop, I have six separate circuits, and lots of plugs- and it’s still not enough.
My shop is about twice as big as my old one, and seemed huge when I got it- but it’s shrinking rapidly as I aquire more and more tools and materials (not to mention that I’m doing big production runs, and no good place to stack pieces in between operations!). If you can, you should expand while you are at it.


28 posted on 03/20/2011 10:00:21 AM PDT by TexasBarak (He who pays the least- wins!)
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To: TexasBarak

Expanding the electrical system is a major goal. My current “shop” is less than half of what I have now and is largely storage. To do anything means I have to move tools to my garage, or even on the patio. I want a place to work on anything, whether it is wooden toys for the grandkids or overhauling my lawnmower...


29 posted on 03/20/2011 11:22:19 AM PDT by Bean Counter (Stout Hearts!I)
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