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Coal Mining Causing Earthquakes, Study Says
National Geographic News ^ | January 3, 2007 | Richard A. Lovett

Posted on 03/20/2011 12:24:35 PM PDT by GLH3IL

The most damaging earthquake in Australia's history was caused by humans, new research says.

The magnitude-5.6 quake that struck Newcastle in New South Wales on December 28, 1989, killed 13 people, injured 160, and caused 3.5 billion U.S. dollars worth of damage.

That quake was triggered by changes in tectonic forces caused by 200 years of underground coal mining, according to a study by Christian D. Klose of Columbia University's Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory in Palisades, New York.

(Excerpt) Read more at australiancoalalliance.com ...


TOPICS: Government; Miscellaneous; Politics; Science
KEYWORDS: climate; coal; earthquake; warming
I'm haggling with liberals over this, they claim this is proof that man can decidedly influence massive earth forces...and thus can be the cause of global warming. I know that there is rsearch work done that challenged Klose's work on the Newcastle earthquake, can't find it through internet searches. Anyone have a link or can point me in the right direction? Geoscientist Professor Stephen Cox from the Department of Earth & Marine Sciences at the Australian National University, Bruce Hebblewhite, Professor of Mining Engineering at the University of NSW, and Professor Robert Melchers from Newcastle University all have expressed deep doubts about Klose's findings in various articles, but I can't find their reasearch work wich supports their opinion...a lil freeper help woud be appreciated.
1 posted on 03/20/2011 12:24:40 PM PDT by GLH3IL
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To: GLH3IL

Of course. Humans are only one paying taxes and government needs more money so - it is humans fault and must be taxed to fix it.


2 posted on 03/20/2011 12:28:24 PM PDT by edcoil (Rule One: Fear No Man)
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To: GLH3IL

It will be interesting to see if the three rivers dam in china will cause a quake.


3 posted on 03/20/2011 12:29:04 PM PDT by dragonblustar (Just saying.......)
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To: GLH3IL

All the many earthquakes in West Virginia, Kentucky, and Pennsylvania seem to bear this out. Oh wait.


4 posted on 03/20/2011 12:31:17 PM PDT by denydenydeny (Power always thinks it has a great soul and vast views, beyond the comprehension of the weak-Adams)
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To: GLH3IL

Where did I put that BS meter?


5 posted on 03/20/2011 12:32:21 PM PDT by comps4spice (Liberalism is a threat to life and liberty in the USA.)
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To: GLH3IL

I thought it was global warming,Oop’s cooling,No make that CO2,Cow Farts,whatever.


6 posted on 03/20/2011 12:33:05 PM PDT by Cheetahcat ( November 4 2008 ,A date which will live in Infamy.)
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To: GLH3IL

rush said that this would happen... perhaps if we didn’t pile our trash in big piles and were allowed to burn it, the weight of the garbage wouldn’t cause earthquakes.

we are definitely doomed.

teeman


7 posted on 03/20/2011 12:35:06 PM PDT by teeman8r (armageddon won't be pretty, but it's not like it's the end of the world.)
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To: GLH3IL

The modern day Luddites have more pearls of wisdom.


8 posted on 03/20/2011 12:35:25 PM PDT by headstamp 2 (The most dangerous place on the face of the earth is between a liberal and their money.)
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To: comps4spice

Correctomundo. Every one of the “experts” are university quacks. They all live in the world of thoery and that is all we need to know about them.


9 posted on 03/20/2011 12:37:04 PM PDT by mazda77 (Mike Hogan - JAX Mayor)
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To: GLH3IL
The epicenter was 7 miles under the surface. How deep are those coal mines?

More likely the "scientist" is actually just mining for research grants.

10 posted on 03/20/2011 12:40:42 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (Washington is finally rid of the Kennedies. Free at last, thank God almighty we are free at last.)
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To: GLH3IL

There’s no research grants for professors who don’t cause trouble ...... ooops ...... I meant to say, who don;t discover problems.


11 posted on 03/20/2011 12:40:42 PM PDT by fella (.He that followeth after vain persons shall have poverty enough." Pv.28:19')
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To: teeman8r

I burn most of my paper waste.

When is the last time you heard of an earthquake centered under Michigan?


12 posted on 03/20/2011 12:40:42 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: GLH3IL

How does this explain all the earthquakes prior to the industrial age?

Liberal egghead hacks.


13 posted on 03/20/2011 12:41:11 PM PDT by mylife (Opinions: $1.00 ~ Halfbaked: 50c)
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To: mazda77

What they live in is a state of delusion. Believers in “climate change” are little more than cultists of the worst type.


14 posted on 03/20/2011 12:45:22 PM PDT by comps4spice (Liberalism is a threat to life and liberty in the USA.)
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To: GLH3IL

So before coal was mined, what caused the earthquakes?


15 posted on 03/20/2011 12:47:34 PM PDT by Freddd (NoPA ngineers.)
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To: comps4spice

I thought California was filled with Gold mines, not coal mines.

Another Professor Richard Cranium heard from.


16 posted on 03/20/2011 12:48:31 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: GLH3IL
The only human caused earthquakes in even the 3 range of magnitude I know of involved injecting fluid in areas of previous seismic activity along existing faults.

But one must remember the anti-oil and anti-coal jihad are in full swing.

17 posted on 03/20/2011 12:48:31 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: GLH3IL
There's been earthquakes, floods, fire and famine since before man had opposable thumbs (if you believe in that evolution stuff), and there will always be.

The dew is off the rose on Global Warming and the parasites are looking for another cause to justify some grant money and an easy living.

I know, let's live like the Eloi...just swim and play, laugh and romp all the time and let someone else fatten us up for the kill...oh, but wait...obama is already doing that, isn't he?

We might as well just go out the find a tree to sit under and wait for the first special interest "group" to go whining to the media because we're using energy, building houses, eating meat, starting our cars, drilling for oil, etc., etc., etc., ...no matter what it is, there is a freeloading bunch of scumbags out there with a burr under their saddle about it...demanding it be stopped immediately.

It's the same idiots that believe in an "evolving Constitution" that cannot fathom the earth moving on its own...it's just got to be something man did to cause it.
18 posted on 03/20/2011 12:49:51 PM PDT by FrankR (The Evil Are Powerless If The Good Are Unafraid! - R. Reagan)
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To: GLH3IL
feh... it's globull warming!!!
19 posted on 03/20/2011 12:51:21 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: GLH3IL
If Michelle does the tango tonite in Rio, be sure to dive under the desk wherever you are.

Leni

20 posted on 03/20/2011 12:52:05 PM PDT by MinuteGal (Obama....you'll have to pry my incandescent lightbulbs from my cold, dead fingers!)
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To: GLH3IL

C'mon,..Everybody knows it's Namazu, the giant Catfish, that causes Earthquakes.

21 posted on 03/20/2011 12:53:07 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: denydenydeny

And western Maryland.

I’m being tossed around the room even as I type this.

Oh, bloody hell...a gaping chasm going down to the center of the earth just opened up in the back yard.

Gotta run.


22 posted on 03/20/2011 12:57:37 PM PDT by Salamander (I may be lonely but I'm never alone...and the nights may pass me by......but I never cry.)
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To: Freddd

Some really fat jerk named Bob.


23 posted on 03/20/2011 12:59:22 PM PDT by Salamander (I may be lonely but I'm never alone...and the nights may pass me by......but I never cry.)
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To: Freddd
So before coal was mined, what caused the earthquakes?

People marching around cities and blowing trumpets...

24 posted on 03/20/2011 12:59:57 PM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 787 of our national holiday from reality. - It's never 3 AM at the White Hut)
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To: MinuteGal
If Michelle does the tango tonite in Rio, be sure to dive under the desk wherever you are.

And for God's sake, COVER YOUR EYES!!!!

25 posted on 03/20/2011 1:02:39 PM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 787 of our national holiday from reality. - It's never 3 AM at the White Hut)
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To: GLH3IL

What we should not do -
No mining (coal, minerals etc.)
No Oil drilling
No dams
No cutting trees
No animal killing

Now tell me, how these guys, who comes out with studies will survive.


26 posted on 03/20/2011 1:03:38 PM PDT by jennychase
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To: GLH3IL
...according to a study...

Oh, good, as long as we have a study... Even if it is just one single, solitary study that happens to agree with our political agenda.... ;-/

Making policy on such thin "evidence" is not good business nor good politics...

27 posted on 03/20/2011 1:05:24 PM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Stop obama now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: mazda77

There’s one more thing we need to know about them - that they love to receive govt grant money.


28 posted on 03/20/2011 1:12:15 PM PDT by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! You can vote Democrat when you're dead.)
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To: denydenydeny

I’m not saying this is accurate, but Chili has had a few big earthquakes lately, and there is a mining operation over there, as we saw with the miners who were rescued last year. Of course, Kentucky has major coal mining activity, and they haven’t had any seismic activity of which I’m aware.


29 posted on 03/20/2011 1:16:20 PM PDT by murron (Proud Mom of a Marine Vet)
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To: GLH3IL
Let's see......if global warming by CO2 has been proved to be a sham, then how do the educated elite stop coal and oil production.

Oh, of course, coal mining causes earthquakes and oil field fracturing causes earthquakes! Now we can starve the world economy, redistribute wealth, and punish the developed countries for being too wealthy!

Did I miss anything?

30 posted on 03/20/2011 1:18:28 PM PDT by Robert357 (D.Rather "Hoist with his own petard!" www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1223916/posts)
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To: GLH3IL

This is total bullsh!t. Piled very high, with a cherry on top.


31 posted on 03/20/2011 1:19:45 PM PDT by texmexis best
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To: GLH3IL

Ohh please.. and how do they explain Japans.. fishing ??


32 posted on 03/20/2011 1:36:34 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: edcoil

BULL SHITTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT

why don’t the government just pay everyone to go piss into hydro gens and have all the blow hards just blow into the wind gens and wear solar pads on our heads...since these methods are the only ways that they say are safe to generate power for all the ipods, cells phone and electric cars in the future


33 posted on 03/20/2011 1:36:39 PM PDT by ldish (Looking forward to Independence Day)
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To: comps4spice
Where did I put that BS meter?

Here ya go!

BS Meter

34 posted on 03/20/2011 1:46:34 PM PDT by OldMissileer (Atlas, Titan, Minuteman, PK. Winners of the Cold War)
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To: murron
I’m not saying this is accurate

Thank heavens! General ignorance about earth sciences is what allows scams like AGW and nonsense about mining-caused earthquakes to flourish. Chile is located in a major tectonic subduction zone, where the Nazca oceanic plate is being pushed under the South American continental plate. That's what created the Andes Mountains. It's one of the most earthquake-prone places on the globe!

As a side note, without the volcanism associated with plate subduction, there would be no valuable minerals like copper to mine. The volcanic process brings minerals near to the surface and concentrates them.

35 posted on 03/20/2011 1:47:38 PM PDT by Bernard Marx
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To: GLH3IL

That is why Tennessee and Kentucky are in constant danger of all those disruptive earthquakes....ugh!


36 posted on 03/20/2011 1:50:00 PM PDT by Lady Heron
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To: GLH3IL

The new global warming junk science.


37 posted on 03/20/2011 2:24:17 PM PDT by Stepan12 (Palin & Bolton in 2012)
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To: GLH3IL

I thought it was undeniable “science” that oil drilling caused earthquakes. /s


38 posted on 03/20/2011 2:26:28 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: GLH3IL

Makes sense. Gold mining in South Africa caused earthquakes, too. So did changing the water table in Colorado. So did the slow changes in the land after the continental glaciers left the Northeast. I think I remember earthquakes being caused by water in lakes formed by dams.

Everything affects everything else. Still no reason to stop coal mining.


39 posted on 03/20/2011 3:22:35 PM PDT by redpoll
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To: GLH3IL

If coal mining causes earthquakes, it would be a simple matter to study areas where massive coal mining was engaged to see if any earthquakes occurred due to the extensive mining. For instance, have there ever been any earthquakes in Wales? One coal mine proves nothing.


40 posted on 03/20/2011 7:27:53 PM PDT by driftless2 (For long-term happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: driftless2

Gadzooks! I just googled earthquakes in Britain, and there’s actually been quite a few over the centuries. However, few deaths have been reported. I would think that with the massive coal mining that has gone on in Britain over the last two centuries, the whole island might have caved in according to the er scientist’s analysis.


41 posted on 03/20/2011 7:55:45 PM PDT by driftless2 (For long-term happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: GLH3IL

As the AGW “scientists” proved, left leaning researchers will lie to accomplish their political objectives.


42 posted on 03/21/2011 7:19:34 AM PDT by JimRed (Excising a cancer before it kills us waters the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: GLH3IL
I am very curious as to just how well this study was conducted. (I.E. More people who drive cars routinely eat bread than drive drunk, apply makeup, or text so there can be no doubt bread is the major cause of automobile wrecks. Studies are not infallible!) The planet Earth has gone through cycles of global warming and cooling even before humans came along. How do they know it is man and cattle causing the current warming trend? Or is it another ice age that is coming? Areas exist in which mining has occurred all over the world but they do not all experience seismic activity and earthquakes. Does mining have to occur only at fault lines for this to occur? In which case, how do they do know it was the mining that caused it in the first place? Are there any areas at all without fault lines and no history of quakes what so ever in which mining has caused an onset of seismic activity never before present? Mining has been going on for a very long time. Just what is it about mining that is just now starting cause these problems when it never did before? Inquiring minds want to know!
43 posted on 05/25/2012 12:18:14 PM PDT by chocoholiclady
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To: GLH3IL

This isn’t a study per se but it does pose some various history, facts, and information I think you will find quite interesting.

http://www1.dailymaverick.co.za/opinionista/2012-02-14-does-fracking-cause-earthquakes


44 posted on 05/25/2012 12:40:13 PM PDT by chocoholiclady
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